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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host it’s our one hundred fiftieth show, our loki sesquicentennial one hundred fiftieth anniversary today, july twelfth, friday, two thousand thirteen oh, i hope that you were with me last week, i’d be put into pericarditis if it came to my attention that you had missed dan’s donor retention ideas. Dan blakemore is assistant director of development for individual giving at international house. We talked at fund-raising day last month about howto hold onto your donors from phone to facebook and tablet aps. Scott koegler was back he’s, our tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news he had info on tablet, apse for event management and fund-raising this week, measuring the networked non-profit beth cantor, co author of the network non-profit and measuring the network non-profit talked to me at fund-raising day last month about wide engagement and measuring your multi-channel outcomes and goodbye google alerts maria semple are prospect research contributor, and the prospect finder has free alternatives in case google alerts disappear. In fact, some of our ideas may even be better than google alerts. Between the guests on tony’s, take two, thank you very much for listening on the one hundred fiftieth show. Very grateful for your support right now, we have the interview with beth cantor measuring the networked non-profit welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen, we’re at the marriott marquis hotel in midtown new york see, right in times square, the conference is being taken down around us, so there isn’t. You may hear a noise of chairs and tables, and we’re still here where will be the last remnants of the last shards of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen with me is as i said, beth cantor she’s, master trainer, blogger, speaker and author, co author of the network non-profit and measuring the network non-profit cancer welcome to the show. Oh, thanks so much for having me. It’s. A pleasure. Well, yes. You still have a lot of energy into the day. Oh, yes, i always have latto energies. Okay, um, what about the online networks on dh engagement on the online? How do we have accomplish riel? True engagement was a ringing phone to oh, breaking you make you’re ringing phones as well. How do how do we engage online? Well, let’s, take that ringing phone as an example. Well, if you’re really engaging, you’re listening and you’re answering the phone and you’re having a conversation. So instead of just like blasting out your message or constantly saying e-giving ann, ask you know, you’re listening to the conversations that are happening on social networks around your issue, and you’re finding ways, teo, talk to people and and mention your cause and then teo cultivate them to them, become supporters and to become so excited and enthusiastic about you that they go out and they quit their friends. We still have lingering thoughts, though, and lingering practices don’t we about about being maura one way channel way have a facebook page, we’ve got to keep it busy with our content. Wei have a twitter stream we gotta keep it busy with our content. Yeah versus the listening. Yes, yes, and it’s a trainer. You know, it’s really interesting to encourage people to kind of shift their habit. And when i found out this is out of a practitioner level, is that it’s a real change of mindset for like creating your content, scheduling your kant tent and having it go out there? Yes. You need to have that structure. But then this social peace is this more organic time where you’re listening and you’re actually asking questions and you’re responding. And so i actually tell practitioners, schedule those into different blocks actually go in and talk because people have a resistance to like, well, this engagement stuff it’s, like open ended, and i’m not the time for this, and it makes me dizzy. Let’s have a look. Just schedule these twenty minute blocks. Well, you’re just checking in. I mean, that’s the way i do it. I mean, i have planned content. It’s not, you know, occasionally will promote my block post, but i’m always sharing links from other people, you know, that’s another way. I’m constantly scanning through my list and seeing what my different networks they’re talking about and and asking questions. I’m initiating conversations, so i think of it like a in a way, a cocktail party that’s not too big and saying hi, tony, how are you? As opposed to hi, tony. Want to buy my book? You said you mentioned scanning your lists. How do you do you go? About that is i mean, i’m not speaking english, i guess, but on twitter you got on the show have george in jail, a target having to put you in, george, i didn’t think of it, you know, when i do i do that it’s a trainer to i throw a ball at people, do you? Yeah, not a lot of softball, noah squish balls, fisher. Okay, so okay, so i’m it’s just on twitter. You can actually grew similar people. You know, i have one that’s, like thought leaders in the nonprofit world that i listen to you i have ceos of foundations i have, you know, d d geeks because that’s another topic of interest, and so i can actually look at all of their tweets together instead of the whole list. So if i could be very intentional about well, okay, daddy, geek stuff is on my list today for content it’s by week’s theme for content. So i’m going to be scanning has seen what kind of resource is are the data geek sharing that i want to highlight? And maybe i’m writing a post about something about that so i might ask them, you know, i’ve just come across this really interesting article in the new york times that talks about the myths of big data. What do you think about it? And then in on dh then they’ll tell me, and then i might then use that to create a block post. So so there is, you know, so sometimes i create a lot of content based on his conversations, okay? And breaking that down for listeners to the non-profit buy-in non-profits mean, they’re different list might be support our owners, volunteers, maybe board members, similar types of organizations, yes, champions people who influencers talk about the similar similarly working, similarly placed organizations, why should we be listening to the quote, the competition? Well, that was the whole topic of my first book in that organizations you have a couple of thoughts about, yeah, they need to think, like networks and networks are comprised of people and organisations and when we collaborate, there’s more abundance. So, you know, so similar organizations that maybe content from, you know we should theoretically, if we’re all in the animal welfare business, no of sharing each other content helps us all reach that goal faster, you know, and i’ll just remind listeners bethe first book was the network to non-profit and her co author, alison fine has been on the show just within the past couple of months. What’s now, june, alison was on so you could look for alison. Fine. If you want to meet let’s, go up. Let’s say more about that. You know, the so the network non-profit is not on ly. Yeah, not only network to the listen, the groups that are so obvious, we need to be going deeper than what’s on the surface. Yeah. I mean it’s. Not just external groups to it’s also within the organ. Okay. I knew i was headed somewhere. Yeah. Thank you for taking my hand. Yeah. Yeah, well, i mean, what what typically happens, you know, is that they think of social media is the social media person in that do you do this social media stuff? We’ll get a social media volunteer. I’m really needs to be the whole organization with a slightly larger organizations. They get toby siloed in different departments and there’s one person doing it. So i was, like, recommend a hybrid model where there are people responsible for the digital across departments and those people are the ones that are talking to one another. So we get rid of the silos and it’s been scaling and within the whole organization. But that’s not gonna happen unless leadership is behind it, unless what? We have the ability of our executive director’s toe lead with a network mindset. Okay, what does that mean? I guess you’re wondering. Well, i had something else but good what’s the network line well, that’s where they think about, you know, in two way relationship building, listening, being data and form being more transparent, and i’m seeing more more organizations having their leaders do this, they’re actually using social media is a leadership role and listening. You mentioned listening now a couple of times is really needs to be very learning process it has? Yes, a disciplined process is not just this organic kind of thing, and one organization that does a tremendous job of listening is up well, which is an ocean conservation organisation. U p w well, daughter well, and so they work in a very network way in that they do all this listening and monitoring about the chatter that’s going on around the ocean. Conservation and when they spot an opportunity, then the activate their networks of ocean conservation organizations to then distribute content and conversations around ocean conservation. I’ll give you an example. Okay, so they have where they monitor different keywords that are related to their goals. And one of them happens to be sharks. Is there interest in shark conservation? And so imagine this visual and all of a sudden there’s a line and it spikes and that’s, you know, mentions of the word shark on social network shark thing. Yeah, you know, yeah, right. Right, exactly. Back down just right. It’s like, what is that? And so they found that a lot of people were using this hashtag shark week. Okay. You know, on the discovery channel shark week. Oh, good don’t know. Thiss guy swimming in a shark cage and sharks are following him, ok, anyway, so they didn’t know about it. You know, they they found out about what you know that’s. Why the word shark? We learned about it because the discovery channel program and there’s all these people who are interested in shark. So they analyze the the they did a content analysis of the conversations. And it broke down into three ways. So there was a small segment of with sharks. They’re terrified of sharks, people who are afraid of draw’s happening. Shark attacks, don’t bump, bump, bump. Okay, then there were people who were, yea, sharks, yeah, a shark conference conservation that was their people. But that was only a third of the other two thirds happened to be people who were just like sharks, and they say, that’s, an opportunity. We can insert the conversation about shark conservation into this conversation, general conversation happening about sharks, and so what they were able to do is then activate all there other organizations, create content around shark conservation and start to tweet about that. And they were able to actually measure that they did, in fact, increase the conversation about shark conservation, talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Do you need a business plan that can guide your company’s growth? 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You know, that’s the common fear first. Oh, my god. Scale social to everybody. Oh, my god. How we’re going to control our people, you know? Well, first there’s, this level of trust, our people, the second thing is we have a rule book known as the social media policy. And then there is a lot of training and support. And on biff it’s, a larger organizations, you might start with the people who are excited about it and that you trust tohave, you know, professional guidelines, etcetera. So the social media policy might have a thing about if you’re gonna be online representing the organization. You want to act professionally, you know, there’s always gonna be some references to the kinds of things you really can’t do on behalf the organization and be in line with the irs, like can’t there’s no partisan politics, really it’s all it’s, all manageable. It’s not definitely just want make people aware that there’s a dozen other side i mean there’s a risk. So well, let me tell you a story about let me, okay, so this is before social media. Okay, so the y m c a summer camp. Okay, all the counselors. Where y m c a t shirts right friday night. A couple of them go down to the bar twenty years ago, you know, throw down a few beers and they were complaints because, you know, what do these there were no u m c a t shirts and they’re drinking, you know? And so so they had to actually and manned the employee handbook to say, if you’re wearing a point, you know, y m c a t shirt, professional contact don’t go drinking at the bar on a friday night with your t shirt on, because that means you’re representing us. It’s no different again, you’re right. I didn’t want to suggest that. Way needed social media in orderto in order to create risks of empowering employees, i just want to get, you know, get your take on how don’t manage those risks. Yeah, so i know you have a lot of fuss about scaling, and we’re going to the next level around social media. What thoughts do you have there? Well, a lot of that is about being able, teo, empower your employees tto leverage their passion in service of the mission. Okay? And i’m gonna actually go backto up well, again, because there’s a great story. Although you have to have a bleep er on your it has a bad word. Say it, and we’ll worry about later. Okay, so there is a young woman that does this social media about part of her job. All the staff do social media up. Well, but her name is rachel, and she loves sharks. Okay? And so she had to find this tumbler community, you know about tumbler blog’s. And it had, like, five million subscribers, and it was, and they all love sharks. Okay? And was called fuck. Yeah, sharks okay. And s o but it was run by these twenty. Some. Um, things, and it was all young folks that just for crazy about sharks like and so they wanted to donate the blogged teo a non-profit and so they called her up, and and they said, yeah, we’re thinking about giving to this non-profit the discovery channel, and they said, oh, no, they’re not up non-profit because once you give itto our non-profit and so then it was brought back and the executive director, it was discussion do we have? Do we own a web property that has ah, a swear word in a part of our institutional do we swear online? You know, is that appropriate? So they decided to give, have the blah go to the employees, and they decided that the employees would buy it for the price of a pepperoni pizza. And so the block was transferred over. So and now rachel gets to spend two or three hours of her job, you know, tending to the sharks bog. So, what did you say the second time? Okay. Latto the block. Okay? Wearing? Yeah. Yeah. So? Okay, so so is that. Is it worth it to get five million people who are crazy about your mission? For the cost of a pepperoni pizza, i should say, right, right, okay, other thoughts about about s so it’s it’s not really based around empowering buy-in the employees, what about the ones who don’t really take to it? Well, i don’t know, maybe because of age or maybe because of culture do we try to bring them along? Or do we just say, you know, if it doesn’t feel right for you, then you don’t you don’t need to know is what definitely can be optional, and i think you have to think about it is a social change process within the organization, so you might start with people who are influencing others and not try to get everybody on at the same time because you’ll be faced with resistance. I’m thinking of an organization that i work at having to work with, and they were scaling it and they were they did departmental road shows where they did this, and at one meeting, i actually happen to be out, one of the senior vp said, i don’t want to be on facebook. Go on, make comments on the organization’s paige, because i don’t want the world to see. My photos of my grandson at chuck e cheese, and then we thought, ah, she doesn’t understand the privacy settings on facebook, so they did some privacy, dettori als and made her comfortable. Okay, so way could bring people along yeah, to the within their comfort level on dh through training. Yes, education help help more people come come along. Yeah, i mean, i actually did a session with the ceos of all the united way’s a california to train them to be on twitter and because it’s part of their strategy tohave all employees, you know, throughout the whole network do it. So they signed me up to do training and on the very beginning, one guy such, i’ll never get on to wit are, but this is the stupidest thing i’ve ever seen, and i’m like, well, luckily, the others didn’t feel this way, but my sort of said to him, you know what? My indicator for success this workshop will be if you get on twitter oh, you even challenged him. Yeah, okay, but you know what? And what? I had to readjust my outcome, that my metric for success was that he wasn’t going to get on twitter but he allowed his employees to do it. Okay, okay, so people can come around. Yes, alright again. Education is that buy-in we also need to be willing to fail at at this from time to time. Yes, and and use those as learning. Exactly learning opportunities. That’s, right? And that’s, you know, especially like i’m thinking about a lot of the organization’s. Here are the it’s, the people in fund-raising and there’s fund-raising benefits right events and so i asked a question, you know? Do any of you do after action reviews? You know what on dh raise their hands is what typically happens. You know way. Get the finger on that finger. But you know it’s your fault the wag a finger? Yeah, black finger. You know something doesn’t go right. It’s all your fault you know three for three tipple reactions to failure that we as individuals have first it’s your fault we blame others or it’s the agency’s fault. We say what failure? You know we deny it or else we blame ourselves for, say, it’s all my fault i’m a disease. It was all my fault. I am just terrible oh, find me on the spot i don’t deserve to live that’s pretty effusive, you know, a lot of practice is exactly exactly so so no it’s based on solve rosen swags research about psychological profiles of how we deal with making mistakes falls into one of those three typology is so we need to understand what is our perp still reaction to failure, and then once we’re aware of it within ourselves, we can understand how that how it plays out within the organization and then we need to make make the acceptance of failure part of our the way we do our work so we can get to the learning i am one of the ways is to do the failure bell. Okay, go ahead, i’ll bite. Okay, so have you ever watched olympic olympians when they’ve made a mistake or a fall like gretchen bealer, the snowboard lady rate or the gymnasts thie, olympic gin or trapeze artist stick or they fall off, right? And when they did, they do this, they raise their hands, so they raised their hands. They grin like a submissive dog and they say i failed. I’m going to move on and learn and so that’s a cathartic release, you know? I mean, i’m going to challenge you think for a moment, tony, about something that you’ve made a mistake. Mina mistake. Okay, i got it. I got it. I saw your shoulders go up and cringe. They’re really yeah. You cringe like gumby. Really? Yeah, yeah, maybe just got cold in here. Yeah, it was a cold breeze, you know, and then so it’s, just something from our childhood or upbringing. You know, i was thinking about something in business money on wisely spent. Yeah, yeah, makes us cringe. But if we’re able to do this let’s go. I felt i felt smile. So my arms are up for those listening to the podcast handup over my head, like our what sport is that field goal? Is that baseball? You know, when i fell football or baseball and then i’m gonna move on and learn what i learned from it when i met, you know, when i’m going to do differently the next time now you can’t run into a meeting late and say i fell. Beth said that was okay. Oh, and those this becomes very interesting what you said earlier about coming. From the top leaders have to be. Not not not just bought into this process, but leading the process so that people don’t fear have don’t have this fear of failure. Exactly, and that’s how it translates from the individual to the team and a lot of work. I just run the article about this for the harvard business review blawg it’s called go ahead, do a failure due a failure bell and it was actually on an analysis of non-profits that have formal ways to acknowledge and celebrate failure, and one of them is to do something group and they do a pink bow, a contest, do something dot org’s yes, i had a guest on earlier today from do something really who, uh, muneer muneer? Okay, well, may might have told you about your panjwani okay, so they dio they will bring a campaign that didn’t do well, they’ll dress up in pink boas and i’ll explain why dim or on what they learned from it. You know, global giving does the biggest loser fund-raising campaign based on the tv show what didn’t work and my favorite one is from mom’s rising, which is an activist organization. They give things a joyful funeral say that again, because they do joyful funerals. Really? That email campaign bomb? Well, time to bury it so that it died. They actually water flowers. And they given in the eulogy and that’s where they are able to reflect and go on to something that’s better outstanding. They even do a eulogy. Yes, yes. On bury the body. About two years ago, i had stephanie strawman back when she had the philanthropy beat for the new york times on she was talking about something that the world bank ran called failure, failure fair, i think or failure fest, belfast cell phone and there was fail fair. Okay, i think you’re saying about failure fail fair, right? Because i think they used in english. Bilich f a i r e you are holding on, but there’s that there was celebrating the failures they had unconference around what didn’t work exactly a nightie and there’s another group called admitting failure it’s a website so like let’s not be zombies and we’re doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past because the funders are funding something and it doesn’t work. Nobody sees that report, and people replicate those mistakes, you know? Okay, you know same. Or is it more you want to say about it? No. No. Okay, really have, like we have, like, another four and a half minutes or so. Andi want kruckel about measurement because that’s, your second book is measuring the network. Non-profit yes, we can. Can you introduce this in a couple minutes? I’m sure they data. We’re measuring. It comes right? Yeah, exactly. So the reason we brought the book is a lot of you know, after the first book, a lot of people are saying, well, okay, so now we’re we’ve changed the way we’re working, but how do we know we’re successful? And i also noticed that there were different camps about measurement most people have is either denial, fear, confusion, and they need to get to that being data informed. So i wrote this book and i actually had sixty two grantees from the packard foundation. I’m visiting scholar. There they were field testing the book with katie paine, my co authors framework. Okay, which is the seven steps of measurement. So the book takes it and puts measurement and very human easy to understand language that can help organizations go through a process. Tio measure and figure out what’s working and what’s not working with their social media and to improve it and to get better results. Okay, we can we just have time to really scratch the surface of data of this kind of measurement. What’s the easiest place to start that we could talk a little bit about in just a couple of minutes. Okay, the best. The easiest place to start is don’t try to measure the ocean if you don’t have the resources to measure the ocean, just measure one beach. Start with one simple campaign. One project, one channel. Figure out what they outcomes are for success with the one metric is for success collectibe months worth of data on that. And then actually sit down and look at it and figure out what, how you could do it better. Okay, we could we could talk a little more. We haven’t. I said, like, forty minutes ago. I’m about to give you the two minute version. We got a couple more minutes. All right. You have the luxury of time here on the morning. Okay. Three more minutes anyway. Let’s, let’s, go a little deeper. How do you how? Do you start that process? It’s going to start with? We’ll doesn’t let me ask, does it start with what were the goals of the campaign? Well, it starts with defining success, okay? You know, you know, social media is not engagement for engagements say even though engagement is really important but engagement to do something, you know, what is the outcome? Is it is it to raise money? Is it to change behavior isn’t to change legislation, is it? Teo, you know, tio improve relationships with donors, you know, is it to learn something? You know what? What is it? Why are we doing this and really home that in and once you’ve to find that what is the one metric that we can collect? That’s gonna tell us that we’ve been successful doing this, knowing in advance? Yes, yeah, we’re still in advance of the campaign. Yes, exactly symmetrical joined and social media could be about generating more conversations with the example i gave you about shark conservation, you know? And if we’re looking at you gnome or more now we’re seeing social fund-raising, you know, so if the ultimate result is more dollars raised, we know that in order to get more dollars, razor has more engagement from our engagement. We have two better relationships with our donors. We have people have to know about us. So you have to have this whole ladder of it of engagement and need. What? What the benchmark is to convert from each rung and then relating that to your what? How are you doing this? What kinds of conversation starters are you using? How are you doing your influence? A research and making it better based on that data that you’re getting right, being willing to recognize that there there are better ways is to have done it. Yes, not. We’re going to do with sam away. Okay. Anything you want to leave people with, we have just a minute left. Maybe a final thought on measurement. Yeah, i think that my final thought is that i think you know, the keys to success of being a network non-profit is to be networked, use measurement and make sense of your data. Okay. I also, like not being afraid to fail. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Making sense of yours, you know, making sense. Your data part of that is don’t be afraid. To fail. Okay, good on. Learn from it. Okay. Beth cancer. Master trainer, blogger, speaker, author network non-profit and measuring the network non-profit beth where’s your blawg it’s ah, beth catcher dot org’s just google. Beth, just go to bed and i show up number after kiss beth but if you need to go further cancerous k and tr thank you very much for being against great. Thank you so much for having me. Pleasure, it’s. Tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen which has been taken down around us if i was to pan the camera now you see bare tables no more pipe and drape no more nice bunting, no more flowers, your table’s being wheeled out on carts and basically an empty room with lots of trash around that’s what’s left of the last remnants of fund-raising day two thousand thirteen. Thanks very much for being with us. My thanks to beth cantor and all the folks who helped organize our appearance at fund-raising day two thousand thirteen, we were on the exhibit floor doing interviews for the show. We go away for a couple of minutes and after we come back tony’s take to my gratitude and maria simple goodbye, google alerts. Stay with me. E-giving anything tooting, getting dink, dink, dink, dink. You’re listening to the talking alternative network duitz e-giving. E-giving good. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? 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You can follow maria on twitter at maria simple. I see some disenchantment with google alerts is that is that part of the problem? Yes, you know, there has been some disenchantment with it. I’ve been seeing other colleagues in the prospect research profession kind of complaining about the alerts not working as well and so forth. And, you know, i had found that myself and we’ve talked about this before, right? Tony on your shows where, you know, talk about how to tweak the alerts and maybe you’ll get it more results. But now i’ve actually started seeing some articles in recent months. Ah, nothing. Has been confirmed by google that i could find on their own website that have said that a google alert might actually be dying off. It might just go away. It might not be something they offer anymore and got me quite concerned because it seems like they’re not really maintaining it because the number of people are complaining that the number of alerts they’re getting has been reduced and the number of alerts within each message has been reduced and the ones that they’re getting are not so good quality, not not like they used to be, right, exactly. So i thought, well, there must be some alternatives out there and fortunately, some of the articles that i referenced which, by the way, i can provide those article links if you like, on your social media sites telling readers, will have access to them, they gave some interesting alternatives, and i started playing around with them a little bit myself in preparation for today’s show, so i thought we could just sort of talk about what some of those alternatives are and also what you want to be setting up alerts on, right? I’m sure that we can do that so what you’re promising, i think all free, all free ideas today. Yeah, well, i’m gonna provide you with some alternatives that all have free components to it. Okay? And then if people feel like those alerts aren’t yielding enough results, they could always go with some of the sea based resource. Is that those components also offer? So e i give your listeners options? Shall we? Ok, there, our listeners, maria, our listeners please share that share the lizard shared listener love. There are listeners. Okay, so, uh, what’s the first one you wanna talk about? So one interesting when i came across that i’ve been testing for a few weeks, actually is called talk walker dot com uh, so they have free alerts that you can set up, but they have a fee based online service. But from what i have found in using it for the last couple weeks, i’ve been getting alerts from them on the same exact alerts that i had set up on my google alerts account, and the results definitely have been different. I can’t say that. Okay, he’s not supposed to be that way. But if google is not keeping up maintaining its alerts than i guess. It’s, i guess that’s the explanation. Okay, so so what is it you like about talk? Walker? Well, i like the fact that you can set those alerts for free. You can still have those alerts delivered to your email inbox. So again, it’s sort of that push technology that we’ve talked about in the past set it up once. Once you’ve got it set up the way you want it, it’ll just keep delivering those those results to your inbox. So i really like that feature very much on talk walker. Also, you can set it up to be able tio send it to you as an alert as often as you like, you can set it up, you know, once today, as it happens or once a week. So you’ve got a few options there and how often you get those alerts delivered very much like google. So i think anybody who’s familiar with google alert, they’re going to find this interface to be very similar. So the interface is is similar, but the quality of the results is much better. Your seeing a difference, obviously, yeah. I have been seeing a difference, i’ve been finding more alert that air coming through where there are mentions on blogger on dh, some other social media related sites, so i thought that was definitely kind of interesting there, you know, how those alerts air coming through and how it seems to expand upon just the number of sources that it seemed to be picking up on, for example, i haven’t alert set up on my name and there’s an author, maria sample, we’ve talked about this before, and, uh, so i was able to filter out the results where her book title was also mentioned in the search results, much like i would do for for a google alert, for example. So is the shortcoming that you see or part of the shortcoming that you see in the google lorts is that it’s not indexing in searching blog’s or yeah, this is part of a defensive services that i’ve looked into seemed to be covering more on the social mentions side, which, you know, could be really important for a non-profit to be monitoring when they’re, you know, looking to monitor their own brand or who’s talking about them on social, so i thought that was really pretty cool. Okay? And you’re not seeing those results on the google alerts. Not as extensive. No. Okay. Interesting. So you’re doing side by side comparison because you said the alert your setting on these test sites are the same as the ones you have set for google. Okay, avery, right. And the only one that i set up for the last few weeks is on the talk walker site on the others too, that i really kind of tested out in preparation for today’s show. I didn’t mora’s, you know, live looking at the search search results tonight, i did look atyour name to see where some of this came up on social one of the other sites that that we’ll talk about called mentioned dot net. Is that the only one where i definitely different is that the only one where i appeared is unmentioned or that’s? Only one where you set the alert for may? I said it i that was the one where i set up the the alert for you on dh then yeah, definitely. That was one where i set up toe look at tony martignetti and i’ve noticed something that came up on philanthropy dot com for you, and this is on mentioned dot net this’s going, we haven’t talked about yet. Why don’t we move someone? We moved to that one since ah, it’s, it’s all about me and thiss must have been the most interesting a sight in your searcher and you’re testing because that’s the way so was it mentioned dot com it’s actually mentioned dot net. Okay mentioned dot net? Yeah, and so they had a neat analytics tool is built into it. You can get emailed alerts, which i did not set up the email alerts. I just kind of monitoring what was going on on the site itself. Um, the alerts can actually be shared with a team of co workers. So, i mean, think about this in a team of non-profits i mean, a non-profit development team or ah, development committee or something like that in a smaller non-profit where you would want to make sure that people were also sort of aware of where your key donors might be mentioned or where your organization name might be mentioned. So i thought that was a pretty neat feature. Yeah, saves you having to. Get the e mails and then forward them to people, right? Exactly, exactly. But i understand you weren’t you weren’t getting using yours? Yes, i did come across some mention of the tweet you had sent out about listening toe episode one forty nine i saw you mentioned on ah blawg for n green non-profit dot com i saw your mention on philanthropy dot com where else could i see? Do you do you know a person named david? Dear inger no, i don’t attorney no, no. Well, yeah, he was talking about me and i appreciate it. That’s fine. I’m happy to have people talking about me. Who? I don’t know that they’re the ones who’ll say the best things they don’t they don’t know me that well. Um okay, so so this actually goes into tweets too. But but now i send tweets under my name. Many a day like i don’t know it doesn today or something, would it? Would it not be finding those for some reason? Or is it only people talking about me? Not me, not not my own content. Maybe that’s it right? So it was i just did it on your name. I didn’t do it on your twitter handle, i did it on tony space martignetti is what i’m having a track on mentioned dot net on dso it tell it told me that, for example, seven hours ago is when you tweeted out that tweet about listen toe episode one forty nine you know, etcetera, so it’ll it’ll tell you how long ago this mentioned was also mentioned online are xero so, you know, i just thought it was definitely something that could be interesting for organizations you know, where this got me to really thinking it could be fascinating would be an article that i read, i don’t know if you you picked up on that in the june issue of the chronicle of philanthropy, and that particular issue talked a lot about raising money online and one of the things that kind of to the forefront. For me, the ability to use these alerts was the organization, the environmental defense fund. I don’t know if they’re listener of your show, but it turns out that the article mentions that they’ve trained their data specialists to scour the internet to find out who is advocating on behalf of the organization online. And then they conduct research to find out what would swayed the activists to make a first time gift and then give again okay, so you know, that got me to thinking, well, this is just sort of a way to find out who’s talking about you, perhaps start connecting with them online, bringing it to the attention of your front line fundraiser that you’re being talked about by this particular person, and this could be a real advocate. This could be somebody you should get to know. Yeah, for sure using i mean, that’s the value of the prospect research, right? I mean, they’re they’re feeding their feeding the pipeline with potential prospects with right suspects, become prospects or suspects could could become prospects. Okay, absolutely. Now, do you see differences between mention and talk? Walker? Yeah, definitely the interfaces is a lot different and, you know, i think that people just take a look at it and see where they’re you know, most comfortable they do have a zay said they also provide that emailed alerts and analytics tool, and this company actually does provide certain levels of service so that you can have plans, they range from six, ninety nine a month to sixty five dollars a month. And so again, there, if you’re finding that you really like this service, but you’d liketo have many more search results than what you’re getting or you want to track a lot more alert than you, you know, maybe you’ve got a twenty donorsearch teams you want to track or something like that, then you know, you you might have to go into some of the sea bass services. Okay. Okay. So there’s limits on the number of alerts for the for the flames. Fundez limit the alert. Okay. Okay. We have about a minute before we go away for a couple minutes. Another site you want to talk about besides talk walker and mention yes, there’s another one called social mentioned dot com and, uh, they have set up that is a gun similar to setting up your google alerts in terms of being able to set up in advance search, like the filtering service. And before we go to break just a teaser, i’ll just say to your listeners, come back because you want to know what we’re talking about here when we talk about a passion score for, uh, for social mentions. Okay, look at maria, give it doing little outro to the break that’s. So that’s, so skilled, passion score sounds, sounds pretty cool. We have passion in the studio every every week, i believe, okay, we’re going to take that break that maria just brought us into, and when we come back, she and i’ll keep talking about the alternatives to google or it’s, just in case they go away, and to me, it sounds like even if google lorts doesn’t go away, she’s got alternatives. That seemed better, so stay with us. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Dahna are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. 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For example, if you have a small group of very passionate advocates to talk about your product or brand all the time, you will have a hyre passions score. So imagine in a situation where you’ve got people who are who are just really, always tweeting about your organization. Uh, i mean, these are people that are right there at their they’re advocating their retweeting your stuff, etcetera, this’s something that you want to be aware of is and this is free. We could get our passion score for free from social mention dot com. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Okay. Absolutely. So, for example, i had gone in and just on a search and put in my name in quotes like i would on an advanced search of for google because i wanted to search for maria semple is a phrase, and then i wanted to knock out any of the search results where that other author was mentioned, so i knew what keywords to put in there to knock out the results, and i came up with a very interesting set of searches search results, i should say that included photos that were taken of me speaking by others and posted on flicker ah, video that i had created and placed on youtube. Um, what else did i come across other videos where i appeared like a non-profit times interview, so i just kind of left it open for all dates, but you could also if you find the search results are you are too high, you can also filter it down and say, well, i’m also only interested in seeing, say up to the last thirty days worth of results as to where your your mentioned excellent so you want to share your passion score? Actually, it said it was fifty percent when i did that search in that way, so i thought that wasn’t too bad. Ok, i’m going, i’m going to try this one. I like this one on dh if my passion score is higher than fifty, then i’ll reveal it. And if it’s not, then we’ll just forget about it. Yeah, they talk well, let me set up an alert and fortunately, um, right now they’re alert service is disabled so you can go to the website without having toe log in and create an actual account or anything, and you can you can go ahead and do a search on social mention dot com and see what the search results are and trying to filter them down. But in terms of then linking that particular search up to be constantly sent to you through email, we talked about before their alert services currently disabled. So i hopefully i mean it says it’s coming up in the next week or so, maybe they’re just revamping it, making it bigger and better. I’m not sure, but that was that was a little disappointing to see. I couldn’t actually test the alert feature. Tio it’s good, you know, for listeners to understand we’re recording on tuesday the ninth so by the time you listen, maybe we’ll be back up. But it sounds pretty cool, but can we get the passion score without the alert feature being up? Yeah, yeah. So i just went to social mention dot com i put in the search that i was looking for, and it came up with a passion score. And then they come up with something also called a sentiment score. Oh, and they say that that’s the ratio of mentions that are generally positive to those that are generally negative. And i have no idea how they define positive versus negative. But ah, this was out of the search. The thirteen let’s see out of the twenty six mentions, they gave me a sentiment score of thirteen xero meaning that i guess it was mostly a positive, i hope that’s what the issue is not okay, i hope it’s positive to negative not negative to positive for your for your benefit. We’ll tell you what. Why don’t you just do a little have a little fun? We only have a few more minutes and i still won’t talk about what you should be monitoring. Why don’t you put my name in quotes in social mention dot com let’s see what we come up with, like passionate zoho are put it in it’s tony martignetti passion version and see what we come. Up with versus the other one sentiment and okay, but let’s move let’s, you and i will get to that before we get seven percent passion score. Tony, i killed you. It’s around it’s? Not even close it’s not even close. It started in close. It’s a route cream your clothes wear matter-ness metrics. We don’t get too excited about this. Tony martignetti a seven percent passion scores your sentiment score came up as three, two, zero, three. All right, let’s not talk about that sentiment score clearly is not acting. I’m looking at things in here from fund-raising day in new york. Somebody’s gotta blogged on youtube videos about you. Well, clearly the sentiment score that’s inaccurate. So we dismissed that that that that function, that function is not working clearly. So don’t pay any attention to what you get for the sentiment score the passion scores very accurate. But you know, these vanity mary-jo vanity that you believe that these air vanity metrics we don’t pay that much attention. I killed you, but we’re not paying that much attention. Really, teo, vanity metrics smear. But they’re not really that important. Let’s talk about what? What we should be. Monitoring? Because only have a couple minutes left. What should we what should non-profits be paying attention to and setting in these different, uh, adi’s different sites. Okay. So the name of your organization again here that will help point you toward people who are advocates on your behalf. You should be setting up alerts on your top donors. Think about reasons tohave to send out and reach out and have a touchpoint with your donors that don’t involve asking them for money. So this might alert you to wear. Your donors are mentioned in the press. It might alert you, teo, on somebody having ah, major appointment or advancement or appointment to a board of directors somewhere. So your top donors, the companies were your donor’s work. So again here, if that’s important for you to also maintain a relationship with the company because it’s a large corporation or if it’s one of your donors, private companies that’s almost more important, i think because whatever is happening in that donors world related to his his or her private company, you’d want to know about those those major, you know, advancements in the press, for example. So again here, it’s an opportunity for you to perhaps pick up the phone, send out an email, sent out a card somethingto have some sort of a touchpoint thatyou noticed, right? Andi could add foundations to that too, for the same purpose, right? We like. We like to keep in touch with foundations just like they’re people because they’re they’re staffed by people so foundations that are funding you, you might find a reason to write to them and you’re not, uh you’re not sending ah request for, you know, a grant grant proposal. Exactly. Okay, we pretty much have to leave it there. Maria. Excellent advice, as always. Thank you very much. You will find maria at the prospect finder dot com and also on twitter at maria simple. Thanks, maria. Thanks so much. Next week i’ll have another fund-raising day interview for you. I don’t know which one quite yet. My voice just cracked. They’re a little bit for you and amy sample word comes back she’s, our social media contributor and the ceo of non-profit technology network and ten have you liked our facebook page? It’s another vanity metric. I know, but if you can, if you can make your way over there. 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