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Nonprofit Radio for June 8, 2026: Apps, Tools & Tactics & Internal Newsletters Your Staff Will Open

 

Jason Shim: Apps, Tools & Tactics

Jason Shim returns with his annual rundown of the digital resources and tips that’ll make your online, phone and app lives easier, more productive and safer. He’s with the Canadian Centre for Nonprofit Digital Resilience. (This continues our coverage of the 2026 Nonprofit Technology Conference.)

 

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And welcome to Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host and the pod father of your favorite hebdominal podcast. Oh, I’m glad you’re with us. I’d be stricken with dextroclination if I saw that you missed this week’s show. Here’s our associate producer, Kate, with what’s going on. Hey Tony, here’s what’s going on. Apps, tools, and tactics. Jason Shim returns with his annual rundown of the digital resources and tips that’ll make your online, phone, and app lives easier, more productive, and safer. He’s with the Canadian Center for Nonprofit Digital Resilience. This continues our coverage of the 2026 nonprofit Technology conference. Then Internal newsletters, your staff will open. From a leadership buy-in, practical tips and consistency, to internal partnerships and implementation, Mia Velasco shares strategies that will get your team anticipating your internal newsletter and missing it when it doesn’t come. Mia is at Namati. This is also from 26 NTC. On Tony’s take 2. A priestly ordination. Here is apps, tools, and tactics. Welcome back to Tony Martignetti nonprofit radio coverage of the 2026 nonprofit Technology Conference. We’re all assembled in Detroit, Michigan. My guest now is Jason Shim. Jason, welcome back. Thank you very much for having me. You’re a perennial and this must be 56 years going. Sometimes with Miko Marquette Whitlock, but this year you’re solo, and not surprising, uh, your session topic is apps, tools and tactics 2026. Give an overview. What, what do you, what do you, what do you have for us this year? Yeah, so really, really this is an overview of all the, the cool apps, tools and tactics I’ve come across in the past year, and it’s a roundup of the things that I, you know, I use uh on a near day to day basis as well as things that have been recommended over time. So it’s a curated list of things that, you know, I think people may find useful and they can, uh, review it if it may, uh, you know, be helpful for them in, in their day to day work as well. And give us one tease. What’s a, what’s a, what’s one you can explain quickly and then we could even go into more detail, but give us a quick teaser. Yeah, so, so 11 of the things is I, I, I, I go into, um, one of the tactics is around, uh, prompting, and so, uh, the, the short version is rather than, uh, if you’re using say an AI model rather than having like a one-shot prompt, uh, to try and get the, the kind of answer that you’re looking for actually splitting it up into two pieces and so you use the AI to help you create a prompt to get a much more comprehensive what’s called a super prompt. And then you copy and paste that and then you get a much more uh comprehensive response in that, but I, I can go into more details. Yeah, we’re going to, that’s a tease. Alright, thank you. Cool, nice, uh, nice overview. Um, so, let’s go into a little more detail on that exact one, getting a super prompt. Yeah, please. Yeah, so, uh, I, I, I start off with, uh, detailing, uh, you know, the basics of, you know, how many of the AI language models work and without getting too far into the weeds, you know, generally that. Uh, but how they work is a lot of the words are assigned a numerical value and the proximity of them to one another, uh, helps generate and predict the next, uh, the next word, uh, for that. And so when generating a super prompt, uh, I, I like to invoke the Backstreet Boys. Cause you start off, you know, you are, and you know what comes next and it’s like, you know, my fire and so what you do is you, you think about that and say you lead off with you are an AI expert and and that that’s the first phrase that you use and that will, what that will do is invoke immediately like, you know, AI expertise and the words related to that for the AI model and then you follow that up with something else afterwards. So you know, for example, say you know you are an AI expert, you are also An expert, uh, nonprofit, say CFO and a financial planning and and analysis expert, um, and, uh, and so that’s the second, you know, you are again, and then the third part is help me craft a super prompt and so super prompt is the keyword that you, uh, wanna be using cause that, uh, has an embedded meaning with it in that that’s a very long comprehensive prompt. And so those things, uh, combined for you’re an AI expert you are an expert in the following subject area as well. Help me craft a super prompt to complete a certain task that you may be looking to do. So you know, uh, help me craft a super prompt to take, uh, uh, budget numbers and, uh, craft a narrative for a board of directors meeting as well as a detailed analysis and explanation of any anomalies that may appear. And what you’ll typically get is a super prompt that may be anywhere from 3 to 6 pages long. And then You can verify that or run it by. Yeah, yeah. So it’s quite, quite lengthy and you can either respond to that thread uh with, you know, OK, run with that prompt, use it or if you wanna keep it a little bit cleaner, you copy that super prompt into a separate chat and then run with that. But it’s important to also examine the super prompt to make sure that it covers everything that you’re looking for or consult with experts, uh, for, you know, say if you’re using it for something like finance, you probably wanna check in with someone who is a CFO or someone who has like an accounting background, um, but it, it saves having to like sit there. And um having to spend a lot of uh time necessarily uh you know coming up with it from scratch when already a lot of those details could be covered by the AI to help you develop that so that that’s a a small tactic to help people make better use um of their time when they’re using uh an AI model. It’s interesting you have to tell it that it’s an. AI expert. I mean I can see telling it it’s a it’s a chief financial officer and a and a financial planning expert, sure, but you have to tell it it’s an AI expert that there’s value in that. Yeah, absolutely, because it doesn’t know, it doesn’t know what it is. Yeah, because all the words are assigned a numerical value and when you put them in close proximity to one another and ask it to predict what comes next, if you situate like you’re an AA expert, you’re also an expert in this, then because all those words have close numerical proximity to one another, then. You’ll have a higher likelihood of generating something that embodies that expertise across both those areas. OK, OK, yeah, no, that’s why we’re here. 2026 tools and tactics. Um, what’s, I mean, all I’m gonna be asking you is what’s another one? Because, uh, and we’re not going back and forth between you and Miko this year, so you’re, you’re on. What, what else? Yeah, so the next one related to that is that. In order to get the best response from that kind of super pump generation and in general is that uh a frequent question that I receive is like, oh, you know, I don’t get great quality responses, you know, when I’m using an AI model and how, how do I address that. One of them is that if, uh, folks have the default set to automatic that they’re going to get, uh, uh, the default model that many of the, the AI companies, uh, are, are using, and you’ll, you’ll usually get. Um, say a model that is, uh, the quick or the fast one that may hallucinate more and you have to very carefully select the dropdown if it is available, uh, to go to a thinking or a pro model which isn’t always the default. So making sure you select that to get a better quality response. Is there a fee sometimes for that? Or are are we beyond the uh the free usage of chat or one of the other models? So I, I generally recommend that folks, uh, if at all possible, uh, look beyond the free models, uh, across all the major ones currently there are nonprofit discounts, uh, you know, of, uh, I think the most notable one is, uh, uh, cloud’s, um, anthropic’s cloud model. Uh, it’s 75% off the, the team account which is for like 5 accounts, and so it’s, it’s a pretty solid, uh, deal for, for nonprofits to have access to it. But then you can select. Uh, as well, uh, between, you know, Claude, Gemini as well, co-pilot, uh, you can select all the different, um, you know, uh, thinking or pro models as well. And it’s worth investing in. You you’re gonna see a difference between the free versions and the paid versions. Yes, and and also for, for general, uh, security and, and a peace of mind that, you know, the, the information that you’re putting into the model is not necessarily being integrated into the training model as well. So yeah, you want you want your data to be. Siloed off, right, so that, that you can only do with a paid, a paid subscription, yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta, yeah, we’ve had many guests admonish us about not putting your proprietary information into the, into the ether for the general consumption of large language. Mhm. And making sure you’re checking the settings to uh turn off, uh, you know, uh, use my data for part of the training and you’re just going to the settings, making sure double checking that it is turned off as well. OK excellent. What else so along the lines of, of paid models, 11 that I’ll call out, um, so in particular I’ll, I’ll mention Anthropic’s cloud, uh, desktop model. Um, so if you download that app, uh, for the desktop, uh, it actually will give cloud access to your desktop and to the, uh, folders that you designate, and so it’s not particular specifically to, uh, cloud, uh, currently, um, the, the other, uh, companies, uh, are, uh, emerging, uh, similar kind of desktop models, but cloud is probably the, the best known one right now. And so you can do things like um recently I, I, I pointed the model at a screenshots folder that I had and there was like 5000 images in it that I’ve accumulated over the years and you can ask it to uh examine and categorize uh all the files and put them. Into respective folders and it it sounds, you know, it seems almost downright magical that you know you’re able to kind of, you know, have it analyze all the images and do that for you, but you know that’s not just screenshots, it can be like general, you know, uh, file or organization and over time, you know, while also ensuring all the the security protections in place that, you know, if you’re looking at a drive in which you have, you know, thousands or tens of thousands of files scattered across, I mean. I know that many organizations, you know, sometimes have to deal with, you know, a lot of files have been scattered over many, many years, and, uh, you know, someone, uh, needs to kind of take on the organization of all the, the folders, um, that, that can be a helpful tool, uh, cloud, um, uh, desktop, specifically the cowork function. That’s a, oh, OK, the function is called co-work. That that’s a mundane task that no person is going to take on. I mean, even your own 5000 images. You’re, you’re never gonna take the time to categorize those and put them into subfolders. So that’s the kind of mundane routine task that it’s like kind of low lift, low hanging fruit for an, for an AI model. If you, if you have the, um. The the uh skepticism that I do about going deeper listeners know my concern about sacrificing creativity. Um, they’ve heard me too many times say that I think the most creative act is staring at a blank page and creating versus allowing the model to do that and then you become. Relegated to copy editor. Uh, so those are my deep, uh, skepticisms. However, for mundane routine tasks like file management, uh, image sorting, I, I, I see great benefit. That like I said, that’s something you, you would never do. You would never bother to do that even for your own 5000 images. They would just sit. Well, it’s something that I would tell myself that I may do on a rainy day, but I never get around to it. I never got to do it because it’s too, it’s too boring. All right, all right, good, great one. OK. Yeah, please. But, but along the lines of creativity, you know, one thing to, to put out there is, um, you know, there, there, there’s apps out there, uh, and I’ll mention uh Suno.com uh.com. And that’s one that you can prompt it to uh generate music uh for you. And so I, I find this one to be a really interesting one in that say if you’re an aspiring, um, you know, songwriter and you have like a whole bunch of lyrics that you’ve put together but you don’t necessarily have, you know, the, uh, your backing band or something you’re a poet and a musician. Yeah, exactly. And, and so it’s a personal experiment. I, I put in some, uh, Emily Dickinson poetry into it and asked, you know, can you set this to music and you know it was quite a a moving uh kind of Uh, uh, uh, uh, kind of track that it that it put out afterwards and so I, I, how did you prompt it for that? I, I, I input, uh, the poem, um, it was, uh, Hope is a thing with feathers, and then. I, I prompted, uh, you are a Grammy, um, well, I, I use the you are prompt AI expert. You are the Beach Boys, um, I mean the Backstreet Boys, even for Emily Dickinson, the two, the two worlds, the Backstreet Boys and the classic Emily Dickinson coming together. Alright, you are an AI expert. Yeah, you’re an AI expert. You’re also an award-winning lyricist, um, you know, help me craft a super pump to generate. Uh, uh, a, a moving, um, you know, soundtrack to Emily Dickinson poetry that will, uh, evoke, uh, you know, uh, deep resonance, uh, for anyone who is listening to it, uh, particularly, uh, around, uh, you know, feeling, you know, wistful and, and things, and so, you know, uh, you, you generate a few kind of iterations of it and see what works and then you, um, the ones that do work, you kind of Um, you can also run the music, uh, back through the the AI to analyze like, OK, what, um, how would you describe the, uh, the track that you just heard as well. And so it kind of doing that back and forth, uh, experimentation. Uh, as well, so for organizations like, you know, they, they may find their own personal use cases, uh, for it that they, they may have existing staff with, uh, creative inclinations that are looking to perhaps have some additional personalization for events or, you know, having a small like internal jingle for, uh, for something or maybe for. And you know how baseball games have like individual um soundtracks for uh like walk up music before they go up to uh to home plate. Yeah. Or the 7th inning stretch is that that’s baseball, isn’t it? innings of baseball? OK, not very good in sports but uh they don’t have quarters. Alright, um, what else? How about some uh some apps? Do you have some apps I I know you do. Apps, tools and tactics. Yeah, totally. So another one is, uh, an interesting one is uh gamma.app, uh, and so that one is like a slide deck generator, uh, and so, uh, there is when you sign up, you know, there, there’s some free credits, but it is a paid service, uh, as well. And so, uh, if, if anyone. You know, find themselves struggling with, you know, the creating a slide deck, uh, and you know, just the some people may find it arduous that, you know, gamma.app is, uh, an app that may help, uh, you know, create a slide deck. You, you input the content and then, you know, it gives you a scaffold that you can. Uh, look over and you’re you’re narrative and then it breaks it into, into uh slides. Yeah, it’s a long a spectrum, so you, you can, yup, yep, and so it generates the slides for you. Um, you can give a general narrative, you can, uh, instruct it with specific bullet points that you want to cover or you can tell that, you know, I want the text verbatim, do not change any of it. Uh, so it’s along a sliding scale as well as to how, how much, uh, control you want over it. The other thing about that too is that uh cloud has a plug-in for uh PowerPoint uh as well as Excel and so, uh, you know, there are multiple ways to approach this. One is through Gamma. app. The other is through, uh, the, the cloud, um, plug-ins that are available for, uh, things like PowerPoint, uh, and Excel which can generate the, the entire deck, um. Microsoft itself has, uh, you know, the, the built-in designer function, uh, too, which is pretty handy, uh, that you can click on a slide and then they’ll, uh, kind of redesign the slide on the fly for you. Uh, take into consideration, you know, what’s already there as well. That’s Microsoft. Uh, yeah, it’s it’s it’s directly in Microsoft PowerPoint and then uh if you look for the designer button in the top right, uh, then it’ll, uh, it’ll do that. Oh my gosh, alright, well, that’s why you’re here. I don’t think people know that. It’s widely known at all. It’s within the PowerPoint app already. OK. Are there other apps? I love these. Yeah, so the, the, the what I’ll touch upon is um something called uh vibe coding which was a term that was coined by Andre Carpathi, who is a researcher. Yeah, I’ve seen references to vibe coding on LinkedIn. I don’t remember if I ever asked anybody. What are you talking about? I mean, I could look it up myself. But alright, so you’ll you’ll help us. Yeah. So, so vibe coding refers to uh pretty much coding with the English language and so you describe what it is that you’re looking to do and then the AI will help generate the code to to do the thing. Now there there’s a whole bunch of um uh precautions that one needs to be aware of as well that you know if you probably don’t wanna be vibe coding with things that have like super sensitive data, you know that you have to be pretty aware of you know security risks um as as well but that being said, if you’re using vibe coding to generate say front end mockups or something that. Uh, you know, there are apps like lovable.dev, uh, that’s, uh, or replit.com that have, uh, apps that allow you to generate, uh, code very quickly so you can prompt it to be like, hey, generate me, uh, the front page of a website for, uh, say an organization that provides, uh, shelter assistance, and, uh, within a few moments, uh, you know, generate, you know, something. That you can at least respond to and mark up a bit. And so if you’re looking to um you know kind of rapidly prototype something as well that that can uh be a mechanism that you can do that. What were those two? Replic lovable.dev was the first one and uh replit.com was the second one. Yeah, R E P L I T dot com. Yeah. OK, cool. And, and so these functions are actually embedded as well into uh some of the AI models uh like Gemini. So, uh, there’s a whole bunch of options that when you select the dropdown within, uh, uh, Google’s Gemini, uh, model. One of them is called Canvas, and Canvas is really neat because it, it does very similar to what I described for vibe coding, and you can describe what it is that you want, and then it can generate a mini app for you or whatever you know or a dashboard or whatever you’re looking for. So to put that in more concrete terms, I, I was sharing this with my, uh, 7 year old niece, and I asked her, Hey, what, what are you doing in school right now? And she’s like, Oh, I’m learning how to round, um, to the closest 100, and, um, uh, I was like, Hey, would, would it be interesting, you know, if you had a little game to kind of experience this as well. And she’s like, Yeah, sure, that, that’d be interesting. And so, uh, I, I sat with her, and then I prompted Gemini. I was like, Hey, um, you know, again, you’re an AI expert. You’re also an expert, uh, developer. Um, help me craft a super prompt that would use, uh, Vanilla JS, uh, JavaScript, uh, HTML and CSS to create a game that is suitable for a seven year old to learn about rounding up or down and make it interactive and fun. And what it generated very quickly in about 60 seconds was a short little interactive where it would present a number and say, you know, do you round up or do you round down to the closest 100? And if you round up correctly, you know, a little confetti pops up and then you advances, gives you a star. If you get it wrong, it kindly says, oh, maybe try again, you know, this is, uh, it’s actually the other way. And so this kind of thing is, is incredible and that you can generate this in such a short period of time. And, and so, yeah, it was fun to experience that with them, yeah, yeah. And um the the application that it has uh for organizations is that there’s a lot of interesting open data sets that out there but sometimes the data is locked away in, you know, spreadsheets um and uh what I have used some of the vibe coding for is, uh, giving it the data set and prompting the AI, uh, the Canvas and Gemini to, uh, create me a dashboard to visualize this data. And uh one of the data sets I was looking at was the number of pet registrations that are in Toronto, uh where I live. And uh it very quickly created a dashboard of all the pet registrations in Toronto, how many dogs there are, how many cats there are, with a breakdown by breed, as well as the Ford’s rotation area for postal codes so that you could also see which postal code has the highest concentration of any given breed. So if you want to see, you know, which part of Toronto has the highest concentration of Chihuahuas, if that is important to you. That you could visualize it very quickly, but it would have been quite difficult to get that out purely from the spreadsheet and so being able to do that very quickly as well to work with some of the open data sets or whichever data set um is quite powerful. I know there’s more. Oh, absolutely, there, there’s tons. Um, the, the other one is, uh, the, the Shortcuts app in, in, in the Mac, uh, or Power Automate desktop for, uh, Windows. And so this is, uh, one that I have not seen, uh, frequently used necessarily, but once people are aware of it, you can do a whole bunch of interesting things with it. Is this also for, uh, iPhone? Uh, yes, there’s a shortcuts out for the iPhone as well. Yeah, so, you know, when, when I boot up my computer in the morning, you know, there’s about a sequence, uh, depending on the time of day, there may be a sequence of like 10 apps that I may have to open to, to just kinda have across, uh, multiple monitors. And so, um, I, uh, can put this into a shortcuts app and, and map it to a single shortcut key and be like you open these 10 apps, uh, when I, I press this key. Um, but also if you’re working across multiple organizations with multiple, uh, Google accounts or Chrome profiles, uh, if you go in and use a consultant, yeah, exactly. Uh, you can go in and adjust what’s called a bash script. Uh, so this requires a little scripting, but you can Google it to, uh, see how you can open multiple Chrome profiles at the same time and have it color coded, uh, and have it, you know, neatly organized. And one of the additional things is that um uh it’s called a stream deck. This is a device that uh many uh video streamers uh use or something similar where it’s a device that has uh buttons that have like uh little video um uh LEDs behind them. And that you can map the shortcut key to one of these buttons so that you can press it and it’ll launch, you know, the 10 programs, but you can also map it to do other things. So if you’re in a Zoom call, you can have a little mini control panel at your fingertips that will automatically switch to, you know, here’s your mute button, here’s your video on or off button, here’s the emoji buttons that you can just tap very quickly and shoot an emoji, uh, during the, the. A Zoom call or a Teams call. So this is a device that you’re using through the Shortcuts app on on now we’re talking about desktop. Yeah, we’re talking about like a what’s this device? What’s the device called pad. The best known one is it’s called a stream deck. Stream stream deck. Yeah, but there’s a whole bunch of other ones that are similar to Stream deck as well with other other brand names as well. Yeah. Um, let’s go generic now. I don’t wanna, I mean, I’m a Mac lover since 1984, but I don’t wanna. I don’t want Android and uh uh Lenovo laptop users to to be upset at us, so let’s let’s go generic. Yeah, so so the Windows version of that is also uh Power Automate desktop. Uh, so if you’re on Windows, um, you know, Power Automate desktop, uh, it’s part it’s offered by uh Microsoft as well and uh you can use that and also map that to the stream deck, uh, too. Yeah, um, the, the next up, uh, I’ll tell you, uh, uh, clipboard history. So, uh, this isn’t necessarily on by default, uh, and so it’s a little hidden, uh, tactic that, uh, if you’re having to find yourself, uh, copying and pasting back and forth between things, there’s a way that you can turn on a setting within Windows so that you can copy multiple things into, uh, your, uh, your clipboard and then paste multiple things and so the default is. One thing one thing at a time and you, you copy something else and you lost the previous one. You have to go back and forth, back and forth. OK, this is only, this is, we’re in Windows right now. OK, so where do we change this? This is good. So if you, if you go to a system settings, uh, and then you select a clipboard, uh, there’s gonna be a little setting called clipboard history and you can toggle that on or off. And once you toggle that on, then you can press Windows key V. And what that will enable is that you can be in a document and you can copy say 5 things in quick succession. So 12345, you know, control C, control C control C, and then go into the document where you’re looking to paste all that stuff and say control V or control or sorry not control V um Windows key V and then use your Directional arrows to cycle through the things that you just pasted in. So it gives you a multi-layered copy and paste. And it’s showing you, it’s showing you a little preview of each one as you use the arrow keys to cycle through. Yeah. Yeah, and and the Mac equivalent, uh, the open-source program is called Fly Cut. So it’s a clipboard history for Windows or Fly Cut for Mac. OK, is Fly Cut already included in, in, in the Mac OS? No, you have to download it. OK, yeah, OK, yeah. And uh yeah in terms of other things that may be of interest uh to say the those who are listening who may be consultants or for general usage is syncing across multiple calendars. So you know the the instance in which you know people may have inadvertently uh double booked or been double booked into multiple meetings. Um, I, I discovered this, uh, app called Calendar Bridge, and it’s, it’s quite useful. It is a paid app, so you do have to pay, um, I’m trying to think the subscription, I think it’s like $8 to $10 a month. Uh, but for what it saves in double booking, um, headaches, uh, it’s quite valuable. So if you’ve got your Apple Calendar or your Teams calendar and you’ve got Google Calendar. Uh, maybe you’ve got multiple calendars for multiple clients if, if you are a consultant. This will bridge them calendar bridge. We’ll sync them. Yeah. So you could have like 4 to 5 calendars and then the moment that someone, uh, sends an invite to one of the calendars, it’ll automatically preserve the privacy for all the other calendars but block it off and mark it off as busy across all the other calendars, uh, simultaneously and so it Uh, it saves a ton of time for calendar coordination and having to manually like, oh this one got booked and then having to manually go into all the other calendars and block them off or if something gets canceled then having to also subsequently clear out the calendars on the other side. Yeah, I’ve had a calendar disaster a couple of times. You think I would have learned after the first time, but I didn’t. Uh, it took like 3 times with a client, um, because they send, they I guess they send. They send uh windows. A team, maybe they send a team’s invitation or a team’s invite and, and I have, OK, so I accepted on their laptop, but then I forwarded it to my, my Tony Martignetti.com so that I could add it to my Apple Calendar. I use the Apple. I don’t use Google Calendar. I use the Apple Calendar, so I accepted it over there and then uh something, something happened and I deleted one and then everybody got a, everybody got a calendar. To delete that event and I was like, oh, because I couldn’t make one, I think so I deleted one on Apple and everybody from the team’s invite got the got the the deletion invitation so they were upset at me like 3 times and then the third time I realized I’ve stopped doing it. I feel like we’ve all been there at some point. It’s a rite of passage even, even because you don’t always get the delete and notify option. Sometimes you delete and, and it just has repercussions. Second order effects that I that I don’t know. I mean sometimes you get the delete and notify and I say no, you know, delete and don’t notify, but in this instance with that client I didn’t get the option and I was yelled at, uh, 3 times. They really should have a button that’s like the 3rd time I learned, we’re gonna notify everyone. That’s the real button. I don’t know. Help us, help, help those of us who are calendar challenged. Maybe I, maybe I only took me twice. I learned that the 3rd time. I think that’s what it was, so I only got yelled at twice, but. Uh, because in any case, calendar syncing, OK, uh, calendar bridge, excellent one. Thank you. Um, the other one I’ll mention is a loom and a vineyard. So I, I’ve mentioned this one before, but the, the use case I’ll mention is a little bit different. So, uh, loom or uh vineyard, uh. It’s often used for uh doing screen recordings or recording video messages. But if any of you ever have to deal with uh tech support, uh, that you will save yourself a ton of time going back and forth with either internal tech support or even external tech support like if you’re trying to get support with an app and it’s not working. That I’ve actually had tech support reps, uh, uh, feedback to me after I send a video recording of what I’m experiencing with a step by step in detail. Here’s what I’m clicking on and I’m narrating like here’s what’s happened, here’s what I expect to happen, it’s not happening, by the way, here’s the video and the response I got was like this was awesome. Thank you so much for sending a video and we can solve it in one shot for you rather than having to do 5 or 6 email exchanges. And so I, I recommend this to, to uh it’s loom.com. Uh you can get a nonprofit.com. OK. V I D Y A R Dard.com. Alright, and so you can do, uh, you can do videos from a laptop, desktop or a phone. Yeah, yeah, and they have free tiers for each, but Loom also has a nonprofit discount that’s available through the uh the Atlassian nonprofit program too. And also, uh, could be useful for gamers if they wanna take videos. Uh, it’s more for, um, like video, video messaging or say marketing or if, if you’re sending an email and wanna, uh, send, say, a short, um, kind of personalized message too. So if I was sending you an email and I want to attach like hey Tony and you give a visual to it as well. Personalized video. Oh, so it’s for shorter, shorter videos, like 1 minute or something, 11 minute and a half, something like that. OK, not, not 2 hour gaming sessions, streaming sessions. OK. OK. Um, why don’t you leave us with one more? Give us the best of the best of all the ones that you haven’t mentioned yet. Yeah, the, the one I’ll leave off with is, um, uh, something that is, uh, not software but, uh, it’s more physical and it’s, it’s called a Faraday pouch. Uh, and so this is one that I, I came across when I was actually doing research at a, a previous, um, uh, uh, organization, and it, it, it what I was looking into was, you know, how, uh, how to help students stay more focused, and one of the pieces of feedback was, you know, I don’t wanna turn off my phone, but I don’t want my phone next to me either. And so if there’s some way that I could keep my phone separate, um, so that I’m not looking at it so I can focus. And so what we found was that there’s something called a Faraday pouch that um you can put your phone inside and the the pouch is shielded so that it blocks out all cell phone signals so that it um no Wi Fi can get through, no no cell signals can get through, but you don’t have to turn off the phone so you just put it in the pouch, seal it off, and it gives a physical removal of like, all right, it’s time to focus and Uh, yeah, so it’s, it’s a handy little physical tool, uh, that you don’t have to rely purely on just, you know, your mental willpower alone and leave your phone next to you that, you know, at least you can Velcro it and it gives a little bit of physical barrier to, to your phone. So, uh, yeah, the, the one I’ll leave off with is more physically grounded in a Faraday pouch. OK, a Faraday pouch. Cool. Alright. I love these, Jason, we’ll see you next year. Maybe with Miko, maybe Miko Marquette Whitlock will join us again, but, uh, this is Jason Shim, Chief digital Officer at Canadian Center for Nonprofit Digital Resilience. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much, Jason. Thanks for having me. And thank you for being with Tony Martignetti nonprofit radio coverage of the 2026 nonprofit Technology conference. It’s time for Tony’s take 2. Thank you, Kate. I spent last week in Omaha, Nebraska. For the ordination, the priestly ordination of a longtime friend’s son. And while I am not particularly religious, Which means not really at all. Um, it was still, it was very moving. Um, the, there was the bishop there, the The, the bishop of the The diocese of Omaha, Nebraska. And, you know, they’re, they’re all in their very ornate vestments. It was a long ceremony. It’s about 4-hour ordination ceremony. Uh, it was in Latin, which I don’t speak or understand, uh, but they give you a little guidebook, you can sort of follow along. There’s, there’s a lot you can’t hear, but it was just, uh, you know, it’s a lot of pomp and circumstance. Uh, it’s, it’s a very, it’s a, it’s a major event in a young man’s life to be. ordained a priest and, and devoting his life to God and to the parishioners that he’ll be servinging. So it’s, uh, it’s really very moving. And then the next day after that, first mass. So I went to his first mass. That was just 2 hours, also in Latin. So that was the short one. but still, you know, very significant for him. I mean, you, you know, you’re there to celebrate for the person, with the family. And he Spent 7 years in the seminary. Outside Lincoln, Nebraska. So the, the commitment is, um, it’s, it’s, it’s honorable. It’s, uh, it’s. And it’s, and it lasts for eternity. They make the point that this is eternal, not just for life. But beyond life for eternity, like marriages. That’s for life, right? Till death do us part. Not so with ordination. This is for eternity. So it was, I, I was just very glad to be there, celebrate with the family. And witnessed something that I had never seen before, very likely not, won’t again. Something very. Significant, meaningful, deep. When you talk about his, uh, his commitment to the, to the priesthood. And that’s Tony’s take too. Kate, So my mom is from Nebraska. Is it true that it’s all like trees and mountains? I spent 5 minutes talking about a priestly ordination. You’re asking about the, the landscape of Nebraska. Uh, I don’t know. Uh, trees and mountains? No, it’s pretty flat. I mean, there are trees. I’m not, Nebraska has trees, I’m sure. I saw some. I saw some trees, yes. Uh, mountains, no, not in the part of Nebraska where I was. Lin, I was in Omaha and then also Lincoln. I had a, a meeting in Lincoln. And I visited the seminary, which is near Lincoln, Nebraska. That is, uh, southeastern Nebraska. No, I wouldn’t say mountainous there. I cannot speak to the, uh, remaining landscape and the terrain of, uh, the state of Nebraska. I only visited that little part around the Omaha-Lincoln area. Well, we’ve got fuckoo but loads more time. Here is internal newsletters, your staff will open. Hello and welcome to Tony Martignetti Nonprofit radio coverage of 26 NTC, the 2026 nonprofit Technology Conference. We’re all gathered in Detroit, Michigan. My guest now is Mia Velasco. Mia is deputy director of global operations at NAT. Mia’s subject for her session is creating internal newsletters your staff will actually open. Mia, welcome to nonprofit Radio. Thanks so much, Tony. Great to be here pleasure to have you. Thank you. Everything’s fine. Take, take a deep breath. She’s gonna be doing well. Um, you’re gonna do well. Just give us a little overview of the topic. We have plenty of time to go into detail, but you know, what could we be doing better with our internal newsletters so, so that people actually would open them. Sure, um, so my session is talking about a project that I’ve worked on over the past 3 years in my organization, um, where I partnered with our communications team and our leadership to publish a weekly staff newsletter. Um, so I talked about some lessons learned and tips from our past 3 years of our experience, um, and I think some ways that we could be doing better communicating with staff, um, so that they actually wanna read our emails comes down to a few things, um, really having leadership buy-in that they sort of create, um. The buy-in, the engagement from the outset, um, that it really has to come, come from the top, um, that they create that expectation. Um, I think you also have to bring in a variety of voices from across the organization, so you have to balance both like the leadership creating that expectation but also the inclusion so it’s not just leadership talking at staff, but they’re also hearing from voices across the organization. OK, all right, and we’ll have a chance to go into that in detail. That’s excellent. Thank you very much for uh an insightful overview, um. You, you have some excellent results. You get like, well, I’ll let you say the headline. What, what kind of open rate did you, you were seeing over two years? Yeah, so it’s actually now since I submitted the session proposal, we’ve now just closed out at 3 years, um. And we’ve maintained an average of a 76% open rate over the past three years. And what had it been before this initiative? We didn’t have a staff newsletter before it was zero. It wasn’t even one for you to open. No, the opportunity didn’t exist. No, no, OK, uh, why? Why do you feel, uh, why did you feel a staff newsletter is important? If you didn’t, you didn’t have one in the past, why did, did it become important to start one? Yeah, I think we, we’re really seeing two main issues internally in terms of our communications, one being, um, that they’re information silos. We knew that there were, um, people in pockets within the organization that were close to key decision makers and sources of power in the organization that they had access to lots of information. And then there were other areas of the organization um that were further away from those decision makers and didn’t have as much access to that information so um one goal with this newsletter was to ensure that everyone had the same access to that information to sort of um because information is power yes and um you know people needed to know. Key organizational information to inform their day to day work so we wanted to deliver that to them. The other issue we identified, and I think a lot of nonprofits can identify with this is, uh, we were seeing work messages like distributed across multiple channels email, Slack, WhatsApp, Zoom, embedded in Google Docs everywhere and people didn’t know where to go to find what they needed so we wanted to. Streamline have one central channel where they knew in this newsletter I’m gonna find out the key information that I need to know the most important things from our leadership. I’m gonna know what’s currently happening in the in the organization. I’m gonna find out about um our next staff meeting. I’m gonna like the most important things are in that newsletter and they know that’s the place to go so that was our other goal as well. Uh, it, it sounds like it was very disjointed before, like you say, from Slack to Zoom to WhatsApp. Alright, alright, um. So some leadership buy-in, does that does that mean did you have to persuade your CEO of the value of creating an internal newsletter first? In this case, I think we’re actually pretty fortunate. It was actually a partnership between myself and our COO, um, so from day one we really had that leadership buy-in and from there the CEO was brought on board with it and um he really became the champion of this newsletter and all of his. Meetings with our team leads, he was really cheerleading this effort and making sure that the teams were opening the emails and encouraging people to also be authors of some of the newsletters. So, um, we really had that from early on. What’s the work of nominee? We are a global grassroots justice organization. Our mission is to. Who put the power of the law in the hands of people, um, we specifically focus on land and environmental justice, also, um, citizenship and the right to health. OK, and how many employees? Roughly 180 globally. this is a good time. I mean, 00, and global too, so distributed another reason for a centralized channel of communication right to 180 employees. OK, good, um. And uh in terms of inclusion, you said you said early on, you know, leadership buy-in sounds like that was not too difficult. If you have the COO on your side that that helps that helps a lot. It helps to have an ally, but if it’s the COO it helps even more and then the inclusion, talk, talk more about how did you, how did you get different voices involved in the newsletter. Um, I would say two things. First, um, so within our organization we have two formally recognized working languages, English and Portuguese. So in terms of accessibility and inclusion, the newsletter is is published in both languages. Um, so we wanted to make sure that first and foremost all of our staff have access to the newsletter. Um, and so we just wanna make sure that everyone is included, um, and so our staff in Mozambique who speak Portuguese, they can actually write like they, they can co-author issues of the newsletter in Portuguese and we will get it translated in English, um, for the English version of our newsletter as well, um, and then a lot of it, the role that I play is really like behind the scenes as the publisher. Um, so what I do is really like cultivate and I’m constantly looking for the sources of information, sort of working on our content calendar, so I am constantly reaching out to our team leads, have kind of have my ear on the ground hearing about like what’s happening across the organization. I’m reaching out to various people and I’m tapping them to say, hey, I heard that you did this event or. I know that this is going on like, can you write for the Namati and that’s the name of our newsletter, um, and you know, do you think you can write an issue next month and you know, I’m, I’m happy to work with you on it and so I’m just like constantly sort of churning to to get people, yeah, to write with me. So why is it with you, you’re um deputy director, director of, so you’re global operations. Why is it with you instead of communications? Yeah, it’s interesting. So I, um, when this started 3 years ago I was in a slightly different role. I was an operations manager of special projects, so I was both global operations but also kind of in a like a a right hand to the COO. Function um before we had an executive like operations team we actually just this year um have formed an executive operations team so our internal communications may actually be shifting to that team our official sort of communications marketing team, um. Does all of our external, you know, communications to our peers, funder, you know, they maintain our website, so they’re not focused so much on our, you know, internal communications. OK, OK. Um, I think you make the point that the consistency is important. Um, you mentioned that even if it, if it’s just a cat, uh, a picture or something. Alright, so commitment to consistency, you know, share your thinking there. Why that’s important. Yeah, it’s been a really interesting experience for us. So when we started this, it was actually the COO’s preference that she wanted to publish weekly. She was the first like primary author, um, writing to the organization on a weekly basis, and I actually really questioned whether or not we could maintain that frequency because we had never before. Like I’ve never seen senior leadership communicate that frequently to the organization, you know, it was mainly on like a quarterly basis even if that so to go from like quarterly to weekly I was like really we’re gonna do this, but she was like, no, if I don’t have that discipline it’s not gonna happen, um, and she has really proven me wrong because we consistently send out an email every week, um, and a funny like side effect of that is she started communicating early on to staff that um. Either like if we have trouble pulling together content if it’s a busy week for us or if it’s a down week there’s not a lot going on in the organization, it’s just going to be a cat week and we will share photos of, you know, staff who have cats we will share a cat meme and we have done that and um in my slides, uh, my presentation is on Friday I share an example of. One of our cat week emails that we send out and it’s just become a running joke over the last few years with staff that sometimes it’s just a cat week and that’s OK and we will come back next Friday in your inbox with something hopefully more substantive but you know that’s, you know, that happens sometimes and that’s life. OK, and you feel the the consistency is important to this 76% open rate. Yeah, and, and I think it’s actually people look forward to it by now. They look forward to it. If you missed a week, you’re gonna get a bunch of emails like where, where the heck is our where where’s our nomine the nominee? Yeah, they, we have heard from staff because they, they receive it Friday morning that they. Actually look forward to sitting down at their desk, you know, with their cup of coffee, tea, and reading the newsletter. Like that’s how they start their mornings on Fridays. It tends to be a slow day in terms of meetings and they just enjoy that sort of start to their day. Um, from our perspective, being on the publishing sort of writing side, we’ve also found that that weekly cadence we’ve learned that the stakes are not as high for us because we write to staff so often. And it’s actually been a really nice like counter to a part of our organizational culture where we tend to be a little bit of perfectionist. We really wanna get things right. And in this practice we’ve learned that it’s less about getting things right and it’s more about we’re just trying to get it done, we’re just trying to get it out and so that’s the most important thing and so we’ve been able to just like lower the expectations of what does perfect look like in this case and we know like if we get something wrong, if we need to make a correction, we can do that like next Friday we can do that and that’s where like the cat week thing has come in is like some weeks we just can’t. You know, put something together and that’s, that’s gonna be OK. It’s interesting how, you know, it’s less pressure when it’s weekly versus quarterly. It’s it’s, it’s, it’s sort of counterintuitive. You would think that quarterly is going to be much less, you know, uh, much less burdensome because it’s only 4 times a year, but you’re doing it like 50 times a year and you feel less of a burden. Interesting, yeah, um, because, yeah, I mean one week it could be cats, next week you can correct the last week. It’s not like it doesn’t, you’ve, you’ve redefined. Perfection interesting. All right, what you’re saying is even sort of counter cultural to the organization which tends to be very. Detail oriented, cool. So what else are you gonna share with uh with folks on Friday? What what we talked about yet that you wanna you wanna let listeners in on? Yeah, I’m gonna share, um, a couple of tips, um, from the publisher perspective as well and also working within our CRM platform which is what we use to send out the email just some tips in terms of what helps. We maintain this is not an email we use um within HubSpot’s CRM they have a marketing functionality where you can send out marketing emails so we do use their marketing um email tool which is typically meant for like external emails but we use it for our own internal yeah yeah it’s it’s yeah it is email yeah um. So I share some like prac practical tips for like how I make my life easier creating and publishing the email in HubSpot on a weekly basis like just using a consistent template cloning it sort of copy paste, just practical things like that um I also talk about um another tip just in terms of how we think about writing to our staff um. One of our guiding principles is really to keep our emails short, lighthearted, and visual. So that’s something I will, I will talk about as well. OK, we’ll share some of the, share some of these other practical tips like templating is a good idea. What else, um, copy paste, duplicate from the, the week before and. What else? Yeah, um, of your tips I use consistent, uh, section headers, and these are section headers I designed in Canva. I’m not a graphic designer. They’re super simple, um, and I keep them in the email from week to week, and I just clone that email so they stay in there. Um, it both like makes my life easier, but it also um helps to signal to staff where they can find, you know, the consistent information that they’re looking for. So we have one section that’s called Happenings which is essentially like current events and that’s. Information that staff send to me to share about what’s happening in their teams in different countries, um, so if someone is just skimming that week’s email and they just wanna know like what’s happened over the past week they know under the happening section that’s where they’ll find it. Um, I also have in Canva, I worked with our communications team early on. They helped me, um, both set up my initial like HubSpot email template, but also this really beautiful email header using Canva, um, that I just swap out the background image so it’s the same file in Canva. I just clone the. Um, the page every week and I just swap out the background and that’s what I put in the email. Canva is a really good tool. You don’t have to be a designer. No, no, but you feel like one and your product looks like one, yeah, um, how about other ideas, uh, other things you, you’re gonna talk about that that we haven’t talked about here yet? Yeah, I would say the other one that I uh mentioned was um how we communicate is keeping it short, lighthearted, and, and visual for our staff. OK, OK, alright, so you can get people to read your internal newsletter. I mean you went from 0 to 0 to 76%, no newsletter to 76%, so, all right. Anything you want to leave folks with, uh, a little encouragement for the end? Yeah, I would say if you are considering um either starting your own internal staff newsletter or any other type of internal communication strategy, um, I would say that it’s worthwhile, you know, the feedback we’ve received over the past 1 year or past 3 years has been overwhelmingly positive. Um, I think it’s definitely manageable, you know, the. What I’m talking about here, you know, the weekly cadence, it may not be, may not fit within the context of every organization, especially, you know, much smaller nonprofits than ours, um, so, you know, I think, think about what makes sense in your context, maybe it’s biweekly, maybe it’s monthly. Um, maybe you know if it’s not a newsletter, maybe you’re on Slack, like maybe it’s, you know, Slack posts every, you know, couple of weeks from your leadership, um, something like that, you know, I think there’s different creative ways to think about your internal communications. Perfect. All right, thank you. Mia Velasco, deputy director of global operations at NAT, thank you very much for sharing, Mia. Yeah, thank you, Tony. All right, pleasure, and thank you for being with Tony Martignetti nonprofit radio coverage of the 2026 nonprofit Technology conference. Next week, your successful Giving Day, and biases in prospect identification. 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Hello and welcome to Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I am your aptly named host and the pod father of your favorite abdominal podcast. Oh, I’m glad you’re with us. I’d suffer with Jejune. Oily, JJ June. Well, uh JJ June, Jun Ol, did you know I, I did you know ill. Did you know? I welcome to Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host and the pod father of your favorite abdominal podcast. Oh, I’m glad you’re with us. I’d suffer with Je Juno iliitis if I had to digest the idea that you missed this week’s show. But first we have a listener of the week, Sharry Smith or it could be Chary. It’s either Cherry or Sherry. I’m gonna say Sherry, but it could be Cherry Sharri Smith from Portland, Oregon. Sharri gave us a shout out on linkedin when she was listing her favorite podcasts for nonprofits, Shari Shari Shari Shari. Thank you. Thank you very much for doing that. Uh You had a couple of other podcasts listed. Um Yeah, they, they’re, they’re good, you know, II, I know them. Uh hm. Ok. They’re good. But nonprofit radio is on the list. That’s the one that’s the one you want. So Sharry Cherry, thank you very much listener of the week this week. Thank you so much, Sherry. Here’s our associate producer, Kate with what’s going on this week? Hey, Tony, congratulations, Sherry. This week we have future proof your nonprofit with apps, tools and tactics. Jason Shim and Miko Marquette Whitlock return from the 2024 nonprofit technology conference with their annual collection of tech to help you manage your tech from collaboration to inbox management, from transcription to Hidden Zoom tools. This panel will help you find greater balance and efficiency. Jason is at the Canadian Center for nonprofit Digital Resilience and Miko is the mindful techie on Tony’s take two chatty gym guy were sponsored by virtuous. Virtuous, gives you the nonprofit CRM fundraising volunteer and marketing tools. You need to create more responsive donor experiences and grow, giving, virtuous.org and by donor box, outdated donation forms blocking your supporters, generosity, donor box, fast, flexible and friendly fundraising forms for your nonprofit donor box.org. Here is Future Proof your nonprofit with apps tools and tactics. It’s a pleasure to welcome back, Jason Sim and Miko Marquette Whitlock to nonprofit radio. Jason is Chief Digital Officer at the Canadian Center for nonprofit digital resilience. How can we harness technology to make a difference in the world? That’s the question. Jason loves to explore with organizations. He’s on linkedin and the center is at CCNDR dot C A Miko Marquette Whitlock is the mindful techie. He’s a workplace well being strategist who helps mission driven professionals prioritize their well being so they can elevate their well doing. He’s also on linkedin and his practice is at Mindful techie.com, Jason and Miko. Welcome back to Nonprofit Radio. Thanks for having us for having us. This is a tradition. Uh We, we didn’t get to talk at the nonprofit technology conference proper, but uh we’re, we’re, we’re filling in now uh with your annual sort of review of apps techs and uh uh apps, apps uh tools and tactics. And it’s actually quite appropriate, I believe because we’re recording on uh May 1st. It’s May Day in much of the world, not celebrated so much in the US and Canada uh celebrating uh labor organizing and labor rights. However, in the US and Canada, nonprofit workers certainly uh have a right to the apps, tools and tactics that will make their work more balanced and productive. So I’m sure you agree, you both agree with that, right? We can come to terms on that. So, so why don’t we proceed? Uh Let’s go alphabetically by uh first name. So Jason, uh you go first, you get to introduce the first uh apps tools and, and tactic. Yeah. So thank you, Tony. Uh So before we jump into the, the tools, I think uh you know, 11 thing that we definitely, you know, keep in mind when talking about tools is, you know, the concept of tiny gains. And so, you know, having um the uh kind of perspective that, you know, uh one to the power of 365 is one, but 1.01 to the power of 365 is 37.7. And so, you know, that that notion of improving bit by bit, you know, 1% each day is kind of how we look at these tools that, you know, it’s not going to be, you know, uh you know, one tool isn’t necessarily going to solve all the things. But, you know, we’re going to be sharing uh various tools that can, you know, help kind of nudge things, you know, 1% at a time, you know, in that regard. So the incremental growth is uh is valuable, of course. Yeah, totally. So, so you know what the first tool that we want to highlight for folks is that it’s, it’s a tool that is actually built into uh Microsoft Word already. But uh um folks may not necessarily be aware of it in as much detail. Um And that’s that, that there’s actually a built in transcription tool, right in Microsoft Word. And so you can actually um uh when you find a little microphone icon on it that you can dictate directly into word, but you can also upload files uh into it. And so that, that’s a feature that’s not as well known uh that you can upload up to five hours per month per user inter software for automated transcription that is bundled in uh with your uh word online. And where is this microphone found? Maybe I’ve seen it 1000 times. I just haven’t noticed it. Where, where do we find the microphone? So typically it’ll be in the menu bar in the uh the, the top right hand corner uh of uh of Microsoft Word online. So if you’re accessing it in the browser, uh it should be in the top right hand uh uh section. OK. We had a session uh uh uh a panel at uh at NTC about tools that you already have that you may very well not be using. And they covered uh all of the office, office 365 has a lots of, lots of value in there that, that people don’t know about. And also Google, a lot of very uh free Google tools. Um Yeah, we, we, they focused on Microsoft 365 and, and Google. Um interesting, you know, they had like a dozen things that, that are, that you’re already paying for or getting for free and you’re just not, you, you just don’t know that they’re there, they’re hidden. So, OK. So consistent with that is the uh the transcription tool. OK. So up to five hours, you said up to five hours a month. Yes. And it’s, it’s super handy if you’re doing, you know, things like uh interviews or if you’re doing um uh uh yeah, the meeting notes, you know, those types of things, you know, some other tools already have, you know, the transcription part built in. But in the specific, you know, use case where, you know, you may be doing, uh say uh a program interview or something like that, that this is an additional functionality that’s uh that’s in there. So you’re uploading the audio file. Yes. All right. Interesting. I know, I know a guy who does a podcast. Uh II I believe he already has a transcription process in place. But uh I have to re evaluate because uh maybe this is, maybe this one is simpler. Uh And I don’t know if he’s paying for the uh that transcription process. I, I can’t recall what he’s, what he’s been doing for the past several years around transcription. But uh I’ll have him look into it. Miko. Welcome back, Miko. Good to see you. Good to see you. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. Congratulations. Also on your new book, uh which you and I will be talking about in a couple of weeks. We’ll, we’ll get you back on exclusively for uh how to thrive when work doesn’t love you back. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yes, I know you and I will be talking in a couple of weeks. Um What’s next? What’s next on our uh hit parade of uh apps, tools and tactics. Well, so if you want to stick on the theme of things that people aren’t using, I would add Zoom to this category. And if I could, I wanna walk through just a few things that I think are pretty interesting in terms of developments with, with Zoom. So similar to Microsoft Office and Google workspace. Um Zoom is one of those platforms or tools that many organizations are using. Many folks have at least a basic paid subscription at the organizational level. And um these are tools that are constantly evolving. And so sometimes because we’re using them all the time, we’re not aware that there are certain features that have been added. Um So I’ll, I’ll share, I’ll just go through these really quickly. So the first is for lots of organizations, you know, it’s important that when people are identifying themselves, important, people identify pronouns. And so one of the ways people have been doing that is they modify the name in the way that that shows up and they add their pronouns. Uh But now for folks that didn’t know Zoom actually has a dedicated pronoun field, so you don’t have to do that. So um if your administrator has enabled this in the web-based um login for Zoom, um You can set that by default for your, for your own profile. Um And you don’t have to update your name when you pop into zoom to do that. It’ll your, your pronouns will appear automatically. So I think that’s one cool feature um where, where that’s appropriate and where that uh makes sense for folks to, to look into that uh another option. And this is about accessibility. This is also about making sure that um we recognize that people learn and process differently. And so you and I are talking uh we’re able to see each other um Right now as we’re recording this interview. Uh But for some folks, maybe they process differently and they actually need to be able to see the, the captioning, they maybe need to see some form of a transcript to be able to follow along and process information. And so for that, there is automated captioning that is built into zoom. Now, it’s not 100% perfect, but it’s there. Um It’s uh essentially computer generated captioning. Um There are a lot of languages that are covered by default in your basic paid description and similar to the pronouns field, your administrator or whoever is managing your Zoom account for your organization and log into the web based portal and enable this feature if it’s not already uh enabled. And what this allows folks to do is if someone is in a meeting um and they need access to um to, to close captioning that particular individual can enable that um for themselves. And for folks who don’t need it, they can leave it turned off or if they’re turned on by default, people can turn it off, uh, completely up to you as the user in terms of what, what you need. Um, I’ll share one final, um, thing and then we’ll toss it back to you, Tony. So one final thing that I think is pretty cool. So, uh, you know, many of us have probably seen like the news, um, where they’re doing the weather report and you have this, this person standing in front of a screen and they’re pointing here and they’re pointing there generally, what’s happening is this person is standing in front of a, a green screen and their technical team is projecting the images. So it looks like this person is actually pointing to a map of where you know, fill in the blank wherever you are, right? Well, you can actually simulate that when you’re presenting. So many of us are used to traditional screen share where you share your slides or you share your screen and then a box if you appear in a different place in zoom, but you can also share your screen in such a way that you are overlaid on top of your slides so that you have that weather man or weather person effect as well. Um Now the caveat here is you have to be aware of how this is showing up your lighting. In some cases, you might actually need to have a green screen in order for this to be effective. And it’s gonna require you to format your slides or your presentation a bit differently because obviously you’re taking up now a slice of the screen in addition to the content that you have on the slides. But a really interesting way to create a different type of experience um for folks that, you know, you are meeting with um or doing a webinar with, I think you can have some fun with that. Uh Like at the beginning of a webinar, like you’re immersed in your slides, you know, I’m, I’m surrounded by my valuable content. Uh you know, you could have, but I don’t know, can you uh can you control where you are or how much of the frame you get in proportion to your slides behind you or whatever, whatever the content is, I guess let’s just use slides. Yeah. So you like, I’ll be in the lower left so that you would make format your slides so that the lower left is always blank and you can do it that way you choose where you would have to test this out and, and, and, and try it out. So there are some limited features that allow you to do this directly into zoom. Um The other which is thinking about physically positioning yourself in reference to the camera. So you think about where you’re going to physically be and try that out, test it out for yourself. The final thing I’ll say is there are third party tools that work with Zoom that do this better. But nonetheless, I just wanted to point out that Zoom does have this built in feature for folks that at a basic level that want to try it out and have some fun with it. OK? So that’s the uh so pronouns can be uh automated, automatically populated, you don’t have to go and change your screen name. Um There’s the automated captioning and then the what is this, this background feature called? It’s called, it’s called set powerpoint as virtual background. OK. It’s aptly named, said powerpoint as virtual background. All right. Um Are you guys familiar with or, or recommending any zoom alternatives? I mean, there’s, I know there’s teams, of course, uh although most people iii I don’t know, 95% of the meetings I’m in are on Zoom. Uh Are you, are either of you finding alternatives to zoom for any, for any reason or, or something that other folks are using? That’s valuable. So what, what comes to mind is uh well, this isn’t necessarily an alternative to zoom for the video conferencing itself. Uh There, there is a tool called the O BS uh that if folks are looking for advanced uh video streaming capabilities, uh that uh O BS actually sits as an additional layer to your video feed so that you can further customize some of the green screen effects or being able to move um yourself uh uh into a corner, you know, like uh like Miko described, but it uh it gives a ton of functionality as well and it kind of sits as in um sits in between your video feed and something like Zoom or Teams or Google Meet and allows you to, you know, do all sorts of things like you could um the directly do like a picture in picture, you know, type thing if you want to do like an advanced video broadcast. So O BS is used quite a bit by uh uh streamers and such. But that, that’s uh uh definitely a tool that uh if folks are looking to explore uh for some more advanced functionality, uh it’s called uh O BS and it’s uh uh available and free. Oh OK. Cool and live streaming, live streaming. Yes. Yeah. Not just for live streaming. It’s also like if we’re on a Zoom call, that isn’t necessarily be live stream that you can activate it and it will uh you know, it will help you control, you know, some of the outputs of your video feed that way. So yeah, O BS stands for open broadcaster software. So essentially go to build on what they are sharing. So going back to the example of the weather person, if you wanted to create a highly produced and polished uh you know, presence that doesn’t look like a typical, you know, zoom or uh teams meeting um screen or presentation, you could add lower thirds, you can change a ho there are just so, so many different cool things that you can do using what Jason was was saying. Um And to pick up on, you know, your original question around alternatives. So to my, in my awareness, um you know, the Zoom, there’s Google Meet and teams I think are probably the top three and there’s, there’s a good reason for that, you know, there’s, there’s broad compatibility across um platforms and devices. Um And there’s, you know, some built in trust there that organizations have in terms of those, those big three. that, that said, I think it’s also a good point to make in terms of thinking about when we think about the expansion of tools we don’t have to use necessarily the the latest and greatest. Everything doesn’t have to be high tech, right? Everything there, there’s a, there’s room for mid tech and low tech and when it comes to meetings and collaboration, sometimes we forget what happened when we didn’t have these tools, right? We picked up the phone, we, we met in person. Um we had conference lines where people called in and we, we couldn’t have seen each other. You know, when I first started working in the tech space, I work with colleagues and manage teams that of people that I actually never met in person. And, you know, we would have phone calls and conference conference line um conversations and meetings. And that was the the primary way that we communicated and collaborated. And we’re seeing that in terms of digital wellness, there’s actually a benefit to that, right? Because we’re spending too much time in front of our screens. There’s research that shows that it increases, you know, cortisol levels and increases stress levels. And over time, too many of those back to back video mediated types of collaboration actually reduce engagement, reduce productivity. Um And actually, in some cases can be counterproductive. So we wanna be able to find that balance and also recognize that, hey, depending on what your intention is, what your outcome that you’re trying to get to sometimes just having an old fashioned phone call or working asynchronously um can be just as effective or sometimes more effective to get to where it is that you’re trying to go. Thank you for that. That, that’s a valuable reminder. Uh Yeah, because you can feel like, you know, unlike an in person meeting with, with many people, several people, you know, you can feel like you’re being stared at uh or, you know, you’re not, but people are looking at their screen, they’re not necessarily looking at you, but it looks to you like everybody’s looking at you and uh I can see why that interesting that cortisol levels rise like by the after a few hours of this, I guess or. Absolutely. And, and what you just described is a very real phenomena. So part of it is um the self view, right? You seeing yourself on screen and being self conscious about that and you can turn this off in zoom. So this is another feature you can you can turn off self view. So if you click on the three dots on your particular image, there’s an option that should be allowing you to turn off your self view if that’s an issue. Um The other thing, others are still so others are still seeing you. So you’re not, you’re not stopping your video, but uh you’re stopping your own self view. OK? And uh one final consideration here is that there’s, there’s research from Stanford University that actually shows that um this particular phenomena that you just talked about is, is compounded for women. Uh because we have different expectations about how women are presentable and show up on screen. And oftentimes there’s this um un assessed costs that we, you know, we just take for granted that that in some cases, women have to do more work in order to be what we think, what we deem of as presentable, right? So if you’re requiring folks to be on camera all the time, that sometimes is one of the the side effects if you’re not aware of that. Excellent. Yeah, valuable reminders. Thank you. It’s time for a break. Virtuous is a software company committed to helping nonprofits grow generosity. Virtuous believes that generosity has the power to create profound change in the world and in the heart of the giver. It’s their mission to move the Needle on global generosity by helping nonprofits better connect with and inspire their givers. Responsive. Fundraising puts the donor at the center of fundraising and gross giving through personalized donor journeys that respond to the needs of each individual. Virtuous is the only responsive nonprofit CRM designed to help you build deeper relationships with every donor at scale. Virtuous gives you the nonprofit CRM, fundraising, volunteer marketing and automation tools. You need to create responsive experiences that build trust and grow impact, virtuous.org. Now back to future proof your nonprofit with apps tools and tactics. Jason, you have, you have something else for us. I know you do. That’s a rhetorical question. When I’m talking to me and Jason, we can go on for hours. It’s purely rhetorical question. Absolutely. So, uh the next step is, uh you know, along the lines of we talked about transcription earlier is uh some of the text to speech tools. So they’ve developed quite a bit in the last few years. And you know, the there’s a few that are out there that I’ll rhyme off, you know, Natural Reader 11 labs. And uh nr and so, uh in particular, um I’ve used Naet before and it’s super helpful when you need to record uh voice greetings. Um And if anyone’s ever experienced, you know, having to record a voice greeting and say like for a voicemail and you have to do like 20 some odd takes to do it that, you know, something like Naki can, can help streamline that. Now the, the special thing is that they have a lot of uh voice models that are available in different languages as well. So it really nails uh some of the uh the accents around the world as well. So, you know, uh given that I live in Canada that when recording, um some of the uh greetings for an organization that it uh uh it needs to be delivered in English and Canadian French. And they have specifically Canadian French models as well as many other language models uh uh for the, the text of speech so that we’re able to provide a script in both English and French and that it’ll read it off and, you know, you’re able to get it in one take rather than having to do, you know, 10 or 20 takes or trying to get multiple people to coordinate around the recording of that. So that’s an example of a tool that can help streamline uh in that regard. And, you know, there’s many other, you know, potential use cases that one was called is called N Yes, like parakeet with an N N and also natural reader and 11 laps. Sorry. What’s the last one? 11 labs? 11 labs. Yeah, and similar to the, uh you know, text speech and also uh editing you know, audio files and text uh is uh there’s a few different tools that, that do this, but the one that I, I’ll name specifically, um you know, with this functionality is a descript. Uh So descript is a tool that can help with things like uh let’s say if you have a transcript, um we have an audio file that you’ve uploaded to uh to descript is that they can do filler word removal. So, what it does is that it imports an audio file and then it produces a transcript for you and you can edit it like a word document and it’ll detect things like if you say, um ah and it’ll, uh it can automatically help you remove some of that. So, you know, let’s say if you added a few extra words and you’re speaking and you can edit the text that is uh in descript and it’ll automatically remove it from the audio file. Uh So, uh it without having to, you know, uh splice the audio file itself and looking at the waveforms that you can do it as uh edit the transcript and it’ll give you a clean audio file afterwards. That to me is, that’s incredible that you can edit it as text and then it, it goes and does the, applies those edits to the audio file? Yeah, it’s good. Uh I, I don’t know. To me that’s amazing. I don’t, I, you know, descript, it’s called D the letter D script. Yes, de D E. Yeah. And there’s additional functionality as well uh in, in the script called overdub. So let’s say if you are recording something and you left out a word that overdub can actually fill in the word for you. Uh If you, you trained a voice model to do it. So let’s say, you know, if I intended to say um you know, an extra word or a phrase or something that, you know, similarly you can enter in, you know, the word that you intended to say and it’ll uh fill it in for you so that it can uh it sounds seamless uh there. So, you know, for something like a podcast or, you know, whatever other um uh function that, you know, folks may be looking to accomplish there is that it really helps streamline some of the audio editing process rather than having to rerecord an entire section against placing and placing and everything that uh you can uh just, you know, type in the word and it’ll drop it in for you uh in uh your voice. So it learns from the rest of the file, how to pronounce the word or words that you’ve just inserted into the text file. You, you, you, you, you may have to do some training on it where you um Yeah. Uh but it, it does use E I voice cloning to uh to replace some of the uh the audio there. Damn. And, and I’ve used this, so I’ve used it for my podcast. My podcast producer uses this and um it’s, it’s, it’s saved us so much time. And as a matter of fact, Jason was one of the folks that we interviewed for the first season and we use this software to clean up our episode with, with Jason. Yeah, that’s incredible because I do some of that work uh in my own post production. But I’m, I’m using audacity. But like you said, Jason, I’m looking at the wave forms. Uh Anyway, it’s, it’s eminently doable. You just have to make sure you have the right spot and you play it a few times to make sure you have exactly what you want to take out. Uh but it’s not nearly as swift as text editing and, and, and you can’t add unless you go, you know, go record again and then the, the ambient noise is never gonna sound the same as it did on the day you recorded even sitting here at my same studio office, the, the ambient sound is different. Uh Wow, I, I’ll add one more thing in terms of how this works. And so you, Jason is right in terms of being able to edit the transcript. And so let’s just say, using that example, if I thought Jason gave a long, would it answer or maybe Jason said something? And he’s like, oh, well, actually, I don’t want to share that with my employer, can you take this out? Right. We can go in and edit the transcript that way. Uh, and then for the fillers, you can set it so that you don’t have to go in and manually remove the fillers. You can just tell it which fillers you want to remove and it does, it automatically, um, for you. And depending on which uh, subscription level you have, you can fill in, you can do not just fillers, but maybe there are specific keywords that are significant to you and your audience or to how you wanna edit that you want to remove. You can train the software to remove those specific things automatically. Oh, that’s very robust. That’s remarkable. I think uh descript. OK. Cool Miko. What’s next? All right. So I wanna talk about collaboration tools and training tools. So I do a lot of training for organizations, a lot of things I do virtually. And Google Jam Board is a digital um white board that I used. Um And I still use. But unfortunately, um Google is winding down that particular offering. They’re getting rid of it as of this fall. And so I, I wanna talk about a few alternatives for folks that either have been using Google Jam Board um and are looking for alternative white board tools or maybe you haven’t been using white boards and you just want to get, you know, you wanna come to the party, you wanna be a part of the all the fun. So I wanna give you three really quickly. Um The first is Fig Jam. So this is a white board tool by the company fig A uh F I MA is uh in the space think of think of Adobe. For example, uh a lot of designers use their UX tools and, and web developers use their UX tools to design products and design websites. But they have the separate product, Fig Jam, which is specifically for uh white boarding. And one of the ways that I use white boarding tools is if I have people doing exercise where maybe we brainstorming together, you know, we can the same way that you’re in the room in person and you get people stickies and people stick them on the wall or they sort them into different buckets, you can do the same thing, but you can do this essentially virtually. Um And so Fig Jam is one of those tools you have mirror uh which is another tool that’s in this bucket. And I know that the the Intend team actually uses this a lot. I know that when Jason and I served on the board at Intend, um that was a tool that we used a couple of times as part of our collaboration and you know, strategic planning process um to be able to do that virtually. And then the final tool going back to Zoom for a moment um is zoom has a white board feature. So for folks that weren’t aware of that and you’re, you’re not using it. Zoom has a whiteboard feature um and tied to the Zoom also has an annotation feature where you can annotate things on the screen. Um Both as the presenter, you can also have I I in my presentations, I sometimes have questions on the screen or like a scale and I’ll have uh participants use the annotation tool to indicate where they are on a scale. People can write on the screen or in this case, you know, if you want to use the Zoom whiteboard feature, you could do it that way as well. But those are three alternatives to Google Jam boards. Uh So fig jam mirror and Zoom White board and they all allow uh all the participants to contribute to the white board. Yes. And so they, they, they, they, they, they all allow that feature uh with the caveat that um they have the all three have the basic white board functionality, but they also serve, they have some distinct reasons why you might want to use one over the other. So just picking on mirror for an example um from my perspective, mirror has a very steep learning curve. And so as a trainer, I probably would not use mirror in a training where um folks haven’t been together before, they haven’t used a tool before. But if you’re using it over the long term and you’re able to train people on some basic things. So use your team over time. Then mirror is a, is a great tool for that. Um Fig Jam and Zoom white board are a bit more intuitive. And so depending on your audience, you wanna take those things into consideration if you’re using the Zoom whiteboard, which I’ve, I’ve never, I’ve never used. Um Are you just collaborating with your, your, your mouse? Is that how you, is that how you contribute to the whiteboard, your mouse, your stylus or if um I believe there are just like with Google Jam Board, you know, the, the way that Google Jam Board works is, you know, you, you can drag and drop text boxes and type in the boxes. Um And so that, that’s one option as well. Jason, I’m not sure if you have if you have familiarity with this or have other thoughts about the use. Yeah. Iii I believe uh yeah, you folks would drag their mouse and they can type in and uh it has a lot of parallel features to uh to jam board and, and, and neural although lighter for sure on that front. OK. Cool. Right. It’s your turn Jason. Yeah. So the, the next one that comes to mind is uh Minimus launcher. So it’s minimis. And what it is is that it’s an alternative launch screen for your phone. Now it’s uh launched initially in Android. And uh I believe the the iphone version is now out as well. And what it is is that it helps you get control over uh addictive apps. So if folks are finding that, you know, they are um in a loop or cycle of, you know, constantly checking their phone or things, you know, this is one of those apps that can help uh uh make a dent in trying to break that cycle a little bit. And so what it does is that it actually limits and changes uh your initial kind of phone screen uh and gives you a primary access to, you know, the apps that you need for, for work or basic functions. But if you do want to access uh something, you know, like social media um that it will prompt you and ask you, you know, are, are you sure that you would like to do this and you click, you know, yes. And then it will actually prompt you again, like, you know, you’re absolutely sure. And then, you know, you go to another screen and then they’ll say, OK, now give a rationale as to why, you know, you would like to, you know, check your, your social media. So it puts, you know, additional barriers up. Uh and then when you do move through it, it’ll allocate you 15 minutes uh to, you know, time box it so that you’re not necessarily stuck in that loop of, you know, looking down the screen and then you know, looking back up and like, oh my gosh, you know, an hour has passed. Uh so, uh really um uh a tool that can help regulate, you know, some of the uh the, the instincts that, you know, may be triggered around, you know, some of the uh those addictive algorithms that keep on feeding content that, that may keep us hooked to a phone and social media. This is like a uh a mother looking over your shoulder or you know, your own, your own conscience being, being uh awakened. Are you, are you absolutely sure. And then, and then you get a time limit even when you’re absolutely positively 100% sure. You, then there’s still a time limit. Absolutely. That Minimus Minimus launcher. Yes. OK. Cool. These are, these are really fascinating. Um I mean, so there are tools that can help us. We just, you know, we need to be conscious uh Miko, this is right in your right uh right. Aligned with your practice. We just need to be conscious about our uh or intentional and conscious about our desire to be, be uh be more productive, be less distracted. I mean, you know, you, you’re the mindful. Absolutely. I think the underlying thing here, both personally and professionally is uh being clear about what your overall intention is and what is the outcome that you’re driving for. So, being clear about those things is gonna number one help you determine which tools are the best tools for you to use right now. And as I mentioned before, sometimes the latest high tech tool isn’t the best tool. There’s the, there’s the, you know, the the mid tech and low tech also option exactly. Going to the phone. Exactly. So those are options as well. The other consideration is to consider that not only is it intention and clarity about outcome important for the reasons I just stated, but also because you have to remember that particularly for for profit entities, a lot of companies don’t necessarily always have your best interest in mind. What I mean by that is that they have to generate um time on screen. Um They have to sell ads and so their incentive is slightly different. Yes, maybe they want to provide a useful product, but they want you to use that product in a certain way or for a certain amount of time so that they can increase the share of the revenue or profit that they’re making. And so when you are aware of that, um it it becomes easier for you to identify the ways in which you might want to um recapture your time and recapture your attention using something like what um Jason just shared in terms of the Minimus stauncher. It’s time for a break. Donor box open up new cashless in person donation opportunities with donor box live kiosk. The smart way to accept cashless donations anywhere, anytime picture this a cash free on site giving solution that effortlessly collects donations from credit cards, debit cards and digital wallets. No team and member required. Plus your donation data is automatically synced with your donor box account. 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She was have a suffering shortness of breath in Florida. It was, I know where it was, it was Miami. They were in Miami. It’s a good thing. They weren’t in the Caribbean. The surgeon says the guy’s boat, he’s having motor problems with his boat. Now, his boat is leaking oil and he’s got a, you know, this guy with the boat and the, and the, the, the, the wife needs a stent. The boat needs, uh, uh, a repair to the, to the oil line. Um, he went to an air show last week. Uh Cherry Point is a local uh the, well, not that low but it’s within a half an hour or something. It’s a Marine Corps Air station. He went to the Cherry Point Air show. I had over Memorial Day. The, the Blue Angels were there. I heard all about the show, like the guy was narrating the show but he, but he’s not even talking to me. He’s talking to somebody else. But, you know, it’s a community gym. It’s not that big. It’s certainly adequate, but it’s not huge. It’s not a 10,000 square foot gym. So, you know, you overhear people. So I, I hear him, you know, I like I got the narration to the Blue Angels Air show, you know, personalized uh to for us in the gym. So this chatty guy. But are you the chatty guy? Oh, don’t be the chatty person, the guy or gal don’t be the chatty person, you know, I don’t know. I’m not watching who he’s talking to. So, I don’t know if they’re suffering or they’re, they’re maybe just, um, you know, being polite, uh, you know, condescending a little bit but he gets his, he gets his oratory out. I mean, he’s, uh, sh, don’t be the chatty person in the gym to do your work just, you know, it’s nice to say hi. That’s different. But, you know, you don’t need to narrate the air show for everybody who didn’t get to go over Memorial Day weekend and the, and the motor with the, the oil line with the testing and you use a soapy water to, to spray it on the line to find the leak. And I know more about motor boat mechanics now than, uh, uh, than I’ve known in my entire life. I’ve learned in the past couple of weeks. I got, I got a short course in, in, uh, outboard motor maintenance and mechanics and, and troubleshooting chatty guy. Don’t be the chatty person in the gym. Just do your work. Just do your work. That’s Tony’s take two. It’s exhausting. It’s just recounting. It’s exhausting. Eight. You meet some of the funniest people in your gym first with the birthday guy and now with the motor guy. Yeah, Tim. Tim was sad with the birthday. This is a different guy. This is not Tim. Yeah, I don’t know the characters. Well, we’ve got Vuk but loves more time. Let’s return to Future Proof. Your nonprofit with apps. Tools and tactics with Jason Shin and Mikko Whitlock, Mio. I’m gonna ask you about one that, uh you have uh in your email signature. And we, we talked about this, uh I remember either last year or the year before, uh, but it, and I clicked on it as we’ve been, uh, you know, scheduling together, uh inbox when ready. So I’m, I’m, I’m imposing one on you. I know this is not on your list because we, we talked about it a couple of years ago or last year, but please reacquaint us with uh Inbox when ready. Ok. So Inbox prim ready is one of my all time favorite tools. And so I use Gmail. So for folks that are gmail users, this is a free plug in that you can um essentially install into Gmail and this only works on the, the desktop. So I wanna make, make sure people understand that if you’re dogging it from a computer or, or a web browser on a computer. But the idea is that um your inbox is if you’re able to hide your inbox after a certain amount of time or you are able to set it by default. So when you log in your main inbox is hidden, so that you aren’t sucked into the rabbit hole of sort of going down the hole responding to emails when your intention might be something completely different. As an example, maybe I was looking for the, the zoom link for today’s meeting and as opposed to logging in and seeing like, oh, I have, you know, 50 new emails. What if I don’t see any emails and I can just go to the search bar and, and type in Tony, uh you know, zoom link and I get directed directly to that email. I’m more likely to follow through on that and not be, be distracted. Um One of the other interesting things too is that we know from behavior change, being able to see metrics that actually show us, for example, in this case, how long we’ve been engaged in a certain behavior or how long we’ve actually been in our inbox for a day? Sometimes that awareness like, oh my God, I spent, you know, six hours like with my inbox open, that would be quite alarming, I imagine for a lot of people, right? And so those this particular tool allows you to see how much time you’re actually spending in your inbox in Gmail on a web browser. And that can sometimes be a tool that can be a catalyst um to help you shift um behavior if your desire is to actually spend less time um in your inbox. Now, the the the beautiful thing since this tool has come out, both Gmail and uh Microsoft outlook, which are the two, I think I would say most of those are the biggest sort of email providers in terms of the organizational space. Um they have introduced new tools including, you know, the ability to be able to snooze your inbox, you know, to be able to temporarily pause, you know, emails coming in for a certain period of time. And there’s a host of other ways in which you can um you know, manage your time in your inbox. Um that are something that you can use to supplement or to actually replace Inbox when ready. But I’ve been using Inbox when ready for so long. And it’s, it works for me that it is one of my, my go tos the idea of pausing your inbox. I mean, so it seems so simple and, but I never thought of it until you said it. I mean, the there’s just this simple functionality like maybe I just don’t wanna, you know. Uh Yeah, I, I just don’t need to see the incoming messages. Um There’s another simple thing that I, I think it was you guys who shared it with me years ago, which I did, which is just turn off the notifications. The little, well, I use apple mail. So for me, it’s a little, it’s a little red dot red circle that has a number of unread messages in it, just turn that off, just turn that feature off. Just let the email sit there in the in the dock for me. It’s a tool bar for others and you don’t have to be prompted uh that you’ve got 15 unread messages. It’s, it, it’s anxiety producing. Yes. And so one of the things that folks don’t re realize so, and I think um this happens in both the Android and the Apple device ecosystem where when you’re downloading a device or downloading an app, sometimes we’re still in a hurry that we don’t read the pop ups that let us know what’s happening. And so we just click. Yes. Agree. Yes, agree. Yes, agree. Because we want to get to the app. And what happens is generally what’s happening is what you’re saying. Yes to and agreeing to is in addition to sharing all your good data, you’re saying yes to um all the notification, right? Not a badge, the alerts, the badges and so on and so forth, right? And so the particular feature that you’re talking about are the badge notifications. Uh where for it could be for email, it could be for Facebook or Instagram. It shows you not only the app, but it shows you a little red dot on the apple device, for example, oh, you have, you know, 2000 unread Facebook messages or you have, you know, three new likes on, on Instagram and for many people, that’s a source of background stress every time you pick up your phone. And so I recommend for folks that unless there is a compelling reason, like uh like you’re some kind of first responder and you’re doing important work where you have to be, you have to know the minute someone is sending you one of those things because if you don’t, someone’s gonna die for most people. That’s not the case. Right. So, um, turn that off. Turn that shit off. Absolutely. And don’t be, you’re absolutely right. When you download a new app, they ask all those questions. Also. Location, share your location. Why do you have to share your location? Yeah. Right. Google Maps needs my location. That really, that’s about it. My bank does not need my location. I can deposit the check without it knowing what my uh well, you know what my IP address is or what or my, my my coordinates are. Um Yeah, don’t. Right. Mindful, mindful. You’re the mindful techie. That’s right. It’s, you’re aptly named as well. There’s a lot of aptly named things here. Um Yeah. Right. They, when you get the app, you’re anxious to get to the thing, take a breath and read. You know, you don’t, you don’t need all the notifications and alerts. OK. Let’s stick with you since I imposed one on you. Uh I took your, I, I took your uh your, your, your chance. So you had one teed up. Go ahead. All right. So I, I’m gonna share one I think is a favorite for both me and, and Jason so much so that I think we probably share this in virtually every presentation because it’s just such a phenomenal school. So it’s called Toby and it is a browser tab organization uh plug in. Uh That is, I think pretty much cross browser at this point. I know that you can get it in Chrome and Firefox and probably a couple of the other browsers. But the idea here is um you know, we routinely have meetings where, you know, you have to open a gazillion tabs that are relevant to that particular meeting. And for many people, you may be doing that manually. So you have a meeting with Tony and you’re like, OK, I gotta pull up the podcast together. I gotta pull up this, gotta pull up this. And so you’re, you’re, you’re trying to scurry around as the meeting is starting to open up all these different tabs. What uh Toby allows you to do is to essentially create collections of tabs and you just press one button. Um and you, you, it opens all those tabs automatically, right? And one of the interesting things with Toby in comparison to the built in bookmarks and, and mini browsers is that then you can share the collections with your team. So if, if you’re working on it, let’s say, you know, Tony, you have a, a humongous podcast staff and you have a central by set of tabs that you all have opened during your, your planning meetings. You could or someone else on your team could create a Toby collection, share that with everyone and then everyone has the same access to the same collection and it sort of standardized and people didn’t have the ability to create their own collections or customize uh on their own. And so it’s one of those things that it’s one of those going back to what Jason was saying about 1% better, you know, that ability to be able to save those few moments and to save that uh mental stress that we go through at the start of a meeting um adds up tremendously over time. This is another good, yeah, good point you made before to accumulated accumulated like background stress, even the the anxiety of seeing the badge with the 2000 Facebook uh messages unread or something, you know, just uh I didn’t get to, oh I’m so far behind and then, and then it becomes pointless to do it. But the number keeps increasing but you’re so far behind, you may as well let it go, but it’s causing more anxiety, more agita. All right. All right, Toby. So, so that falls under like uh um browser, browser tab management, browser management. OK. Toby Jason. Yeah. So the another tool that want to chat about is uh this may be something that is available for folks that they may not necessarily be using, but they just want to draw it to folks awareness. So, um for those that may already have an 03 65 subscription, you know, through their organization is that uh being copilot um has a commercial data protection uh uh flipped on. And so what that means is that, you know, when, when folks are using, you know, some A I tools that, you know, there, there may be a concern that it is the data is being used to train the model or that, you know, you don’t necessarily know that it’s going to end up, you know, being uh you know, pop up somewhere else, you know, down the road is that uh the, the commercial data protection feature, uh actually uh assures you that it won’t be used for the training of the model and it’ll be contained uh when, when you’re using it. And so, uh if you are using it, you just have to be logged in to your 03 65 account at bing.com/chat and then there’ll be a little green um shield on the top right hand corner that says protected. And so, you know, you’re, you’re able to use that and uh resting assured that, you know, the data that you’re, you’re putting in there isn’t being used to train a language model uh for the folks who are using um the generative A I function. So, uh so what it is is that, you know, it’s uh you know, the similar to things like, you know, GP T or uh you know, Google’s Gemini in that for this particular instance, uh that uh it’s uh the, the little green uh icon in the in the top. Right, assures you that, uh, uh, it, uh, stays contained to your organization. Ok. So it’s like firewalled off from, from, uh, the, the generative A I learning. Mhm. Yeah. And, and as a general tip for, for folks as well as for the other, uh, uh, you know, tools that they may be using around generative A I is, you know, to make sure that you’re checking the settings and the fine print uh that, you know, if you are using, you know, one of the free uh options as well, that there may be uh settings in there to uh turn off the um use the data for training data models uh uh for folks that may uh like to uh be a little bit more secure uh with uh their privacy and what they may be um putting out there. There’s also a concern uh when folks give one of these uh tools, their own data to learn, like, you know, I want you to write a letter to a donor in, in my tone and you, so you upload, you upload to the using in your prompts some of your own letters. And I want it in my tone with, you know, you, you need to be very aware of what you’re, what you’re providing for the learning act because I don’t know that it’s only, it’s keeping, it’s keeping your data only to this conversation, this, this uh this purpose that we’re we’re going back and forth about and whether it uses, it uses that your data that would otherwise be proprietary to you because it’s, it’s your letters, uh for some larger purpose. Absolutely. And that’s something to be aware of when, uh flipping on some of the features in some of these programs where, you know, they, you may be prompted you to flip on an A I feature or, or something, but, you know, in the fine print uh or even not so fine print, you know, it may say something along the line of like, you know, uh this will submit your data to a third party, uh you know, just giving you a heads up, but there’s a lot of additional subtext there where it’s like, OK, well, after it’s submitted to the third party, you know, what happens like is this going to be used to train, you know, the language model, you know, is, you know, this going to pop up, you know, somewhere potentially in the future or is, you know, or is it going to stay contained uh and not used to train the model? So, uh you know, those, those are questions that are worth asking, you know, as um you know, more and more A I features, you know, pop up along the way as well. What what third parties, third party is in the world, I think the broader point that I would make here too. And this is with social media. This is with um anything you post on a website. Um we technology has evolved to a point where essentially there’s a forever memory, right? Even if you take stuff down, it’s still there, still findable. It’s somewhere. Right? And so I always, particularly with younger folks, you know, say, don’t share anything, don’t text anything, don’t post anything on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and Snapchat and tiktok that you would be embarrassed to see on the news, right? If you’re embarrassed to see it on the news, then don’t post it. Don’t, don’t share it very wise, sage, sage advice from the mindful techie. Uh Let’s do uh let’s do one, each 11 more each Miko. All right. So uh we know that the amount of information the V information has continued to increase and it’s virtually impossible for us from a human perspective to keep up with all of that. And so in this case, one of the ways that A I can be very powerful is by actually helping us to summarize, you know, voluminous um documents, videos and so on. And so one of the tools that we shared during our session is uh a plug in for chrome that’s called youtube summary with chat GP T and cloud. So chat GP T and Cloud are both um two different types of um A I tools. And one of the interesting things about this youtube summary with chat GP T and cloud tool is that it allows you to summarize youtube videos, web articles, and PDF documents. And so I don’t know about you, but I don’t have time to watch your two hour training on fill in the blank topic. Maybe I just want, you know, just give me the cliff notes, give me the, the, the bullet points and let me dive deeper on the points that are most relevant to my particular question or my particular curiosity at that moment, this particular tool you just plug in a URL and it gives you a summary um to help you to really focus your time and maybe you decide or determine that, hey baby, this video doesn’t have what I need or maybe it does. I want to look at the last third of this and actually dive a little bit deeper. Um but it can be a powerful tool to save you um lots of time um with particularly with lengthy videos or lengthy documents, say the name of the, the tools again. So this is a long one. So it’s called youtube Summary. It’s all one. Yeah, I’m just reading the title that they gave us. So youtube Summary with Chat GP T and Cloud. OK. Yes. Thank you, Jason. Yeah. The, the, the last one I’ll share is uh it’s more of a mental model and a tool and uh you know, to, to really think about things on a two by two grid. And so the the, the model is called the, it’s also known as the Eisenhower matrix. And so when thinking about, you know, the various tasks that one has to do, and, you know, we, we shared a whole bunch of tools that help, you know, automate and speed up things. But it’s also to look at the tasks themselves and really take a look at, you know, what’s, what’s urgent and what’s important. And so on the two by two grid on one access, um you know, you would have an important and not important and on the on the other access, you would have urgent and not urgent. And ideally, you know, you um you’re spending your time on the not urgent and important things because you know, that’s where you can make, you know, a lot of your long term impact and you know, the things that pop up that are urgent and important, you know, those uh is uh you know, important for you and your organization and when you make short term impact and when you think about, you know, things that are not urgent and not important, you kind of have to ask, you know, well, why are we doing them? And so we want to make sure that these tools aren’t automating things necessarily that, you know, if it’s not urgent and not important, you know, automating but not, not urgent and not important is, you know, spending more time and resources to do things that aren’t important and urgent then you know, those things just need to be eliminated. So those can be thinking of the like the the email inbox is a very good example of non urgent, not important. Most of it obviously there are exceptions but most of email is non urgent and non and non important. Mhm. Yeah. So things like starting to, you know, junk mail, you know, checking through, you know, a lot of, you know, social media, you know, they can be, you know, distractions and time wasters and, and then uh you know, and then the other quadrant being the urgent and not important uh part where, you know, that’s where a lot of the tools can help, you know, automate or help, you know, kind of you’re delegating it out to, you know, the, the tool to help accelerate, you know, some of that and, and so, you know, I think this is a really great conceptual framework to as folks are looking at, you know, their tasks and matching it up to the tools that they’re, they’re using as well. And I know that, you know, Miko speak to, speaks to this, you know, really knowledgeably in his trainings and um around uh how, you know, it can be used effectively and uh I’ll throw it over to Miko as well. Uh uh If there’s any additional things to add on this front. Yeah. So Jason, I, I think you’re spot on, I think that the key here. So in the context of the tech tools that we’re talking about, um we shouldn’t just be using the tools just for the sake of using them. Like you want to be clear about the purpose and at least in terms of the organizational context, and I think it’s critically important as you think about urgent versus important. Also thinking about, you know, what are the resources that we have? What’s the capacity that we have? You know, when I was communicating director, one of the the the the the common pieces of wisdom from some folks when social media was emerging is that oh, you gotta be on all the platforms. Well, that was impossible. We didn’t have the staff of the resources nor did it make sense because our audience wasn’t on all the platforms. So asking yourself the question, what resources do I have? What time and capacity do we have? And you know, what goal are we trying to achieve and what’s good enough for now versus what we can build toward for later or perhaps what we can eliminate all together because it’s simply not relevant, even though everyone else is doing it or the conventional wisdom says we should be doing this or be on this particular uh platform. Um And I think we can apply that to A I right now, right? So um I am of the mind that it’s not an all or nothing, right? Not every organization needs to be using every single type of A I tool out there. Um It’s simply inappropriate in some cases and some cases that actually can be counter productive. So you wanna be clear about what outcome you’re trying to get to. Um And how the tool can support you and help you. Not how the tool can sort of replace you being a critical thinker and that’s, that’s actively involved in the process. Yeah, loss of creativity is, is my biggest concern about artificial intelligence. Use that, that we’re, we, we could see some of the most creative things that we do. Uh And listeners have heard me talk about this with uh we had an A I A couple of A I panels. Um The one, the first one was with um Arua Bruce and George Weiner and Beth Cantor and Alison. Fine. And we kinda uh I aired my uh my concerns there in, in more detail just about giving away the most creative things that we do. And over time us becoming less creative, less creative thinkers, less thoughtful thinkers or less critical thinkers. Um All right. So why don’t we leave it there? And, and Jason, I’m just going to reiterate it’s the Eisenhower Matrix, which I’ve followed for years and I try to think that way, but I don’t, I don’t do it routinely but that, that’s uh that two by two that you were describing is uh the Eisenhower Matrix and you said it, I’m just reiterating it for folks. So that, because it is a, it’s a very, it’s a very sensible way of, of planning. And Miko to your point earlier, uh, you know, it’s, it, it, it’s been around for generations. Old tools can still be valuable. Absolutely. And I, I would offer to your audience, Tony if I’ve reworked this, um, for the mission driven context. And I’ve, and I’ve annotated it. Um, and I’ve, I’ve given sort of a road map of how you work through this in a practical way. So if folks are interested in that, they can email me or, you know, we can give you a link to put in the show notes or however, it makes sense. But folks want access to that annotated version. Ok. The annotated version of the Eisenhower Matrix. Ok. All right. That’s Miko Marquette Whitlock. He’s a mindful techie. You’ll find him on linkedin and his practice is at mindful techie.com. Jason Sim Chief Digital Officer at the Canadian Center for nonprofit digital resilience. He’s also on linkedin and the center is at CCNDR dot C A. Jason Miko. Thank you. Thanks very much. Real pleasure each year. Thank you for sharing. 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Hello and welcome to tony-martignetti non profit radio Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host of your favorite abdominal podcast and oh I’m glad you’re with me. I’ve come down with blue fro dialysis. If I saw that you missed this week’s show apps, tools and tactics for the hybrid workplace work ain’t going back to what it was. Pre pandemic. How can you and your teams remain productive? Not merely busy, Jason Shim and Miko Whitlock reveal the resources that will lead you to Rockstar productivity On Tony’s take two summer is coming sponsored by turn to communications pr and content for nonprofits. Your story is their mission turn hyphen two dot c o As we continue our coverage of 22 NTC, You know what that is. You know, it’s the 2022 nonprofit technology conference hosted by N 10, you know who N 10 is because we’ve been talking about this for weeks and weeks. They’re the smart folks who help you use technology in all your social change work right now. Our coverage includes Jason Shim and Miko marquette Whitlock both returning to nonprofit radio Jason Shim is director of digital strategy and transformation at pathways to education. Canada and Mikko market Whitlock is speaker and trainer on mindfulness and technology. He is the mindful techie Jason and Nico. Welcome back to nonprofit

[00:01:58.54] spk_1:
radio Thanks for having

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us.

[00:02:33.24] spk_0:
Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure. I don’t know if you guys have been on her three or four times. We’ve, we’ve been doing not uh, the NTC for since like 2016 or something. So it’s been a long time. It’s been a long time. Good to have you back this year. Your the topic is apps tools and tactics for hydrate workplace. Rockstar productivity, not mere productivity or increased productivity but rockstar level productivity. Okay, I’m gonna hold you to that.

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Mm hmm.

[00:02:36.44] spk_0:
Jason. Why don’t you give us a little overview of why you think this was an important topic for for Ntc?

[00:03:18.34] spk_2:
Yeah. Over the years I found that when sharing information at NBC and presentations that uh some of the feedback that we’re getting with people we’re feeding back well we love hearing about the tools and so, you know, this um presentation emerged as a, as a result of that really, you know, following the data and you know, the people have spoken and uh we put together this session to really reflect, you know, that there are tons of tools that are constantly coming out and these are tools that we have, you know, tried tested and have identified that, you know, they really help us in our kind of day to day work and we just want to share it with the world.

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And because there’s also a mental model component to this. So as as are mindful techie, what’s the what’s the mental side of

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this? The mental side of it that we talked about specifically in the presentation. Was this idea of moving from being busy to being productive. Right? So you can be busy answering emails, you can be busy and back to back zoom meetings. You can be busy attending all of those unsolicited calendar invites for various things and you could be exhausted and tired at the end of your day in your week, but you might not actually be making a difference in terms of moving the mission forward. And so the mental framing is really about how do we move from focusing on outputs? Right. I answered this many emails. I worked this many hours. Two outcomes focusing on OK. How many people did we actually serve? How many how many dollars did we actually raise? You know, how how did we make a difference today in someone’s life based on whatever the mission is of our particular organization. Uh And so the the tools are really that we talked about are really designed to help people make that that shift from dizziness too, productivity related to actually moving mission forward.

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What a critical difference distinction between being busy and being

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productive.

[00:04:57.07] spk_0:
Love it. All right. So why don’t you get us started? Why don’t we uh why don’t why don’t we start with some apps, tools and tactics. Mikko, why don’t you kick us off?

[00:06:59.14] spk_1:
Yeah. So, uh you know, I’m you know as the Michael Techie, I’m really big on tech distraction tools. And so um some things that I highly recommend our um for example, taking full advantage of the do not disturb feature that are available for your devices and so enjoy devices IOS device system to be the most common right? We have the watch, we have the phone, we have talent we we even have the you know the laptop or the computer in all those instances. The tools that we have have opportunities for us to silence stills notifications when we are doing things that are necessary for us to be um productive. So at work when we do focus on work related activities, silence notifications. And then also when we’re sleeping and when we’re resting and believe it or not sleep and rest are actually one of the most powerful productivity tools that we have. We didn’t talk about this in the session but it’s often left out of the discussion. People feel guilty for taking time off and resting. But it’s actually a requirement to to take care of yourself and to do greater work and so do setting your do not disturb settings. You can automate this. So for me for example I have my my phone and my tablet automated so that at um at about 9 30 every evening until about 10 a.m. The following day my notifications are silenced. And what does that mean? That means that from receiving text messages from receiving alerts from other types of apps on my phone unless I’m looking at my device. I’m not hearing the beep. I’m not hearing the ping, I’m not seeing those things flash across the screen. They’re not disturbing my sleep. Um during the night and when I wake up in the morning, they’re also that the first thing that sort of jolts me into my day, right, I’m able to ease into my day without having those things um turned on. So that’s, that would be one thing that that I would recommend in terms of um thinking about this idea of tech distraction um

[00:07:14.24] spk_0:
before you continue, I think you and Beth Kanter, we’re talking about this, I don’t know, 34 years ago using using the, using the very simple functions on your phone that that are available to keep you from being distracted using the do not disturb. I’m pretty sure it was you and Beth like like I said four years ago talking

[00:07:23.26] spk_1:
about the

[00:07:24.06] spk_0:
very simple nothing to download. Just use the function that’s already on your devices.

[00:07:43.54] spk_1:
Absolutely. And and they have evolved. And so one of the things that Jason and I talked about the other sessions that we’re not disturbed, for example, um some of the latest updates for android and iphone allow you to for example, make those um the shutting off of those notifications. Geolocation based. Right. And so like if you’re at the gym or you are

[00:07:51.30] spk_0:
actually

[00:08:26.64] spk_1:
physically driving, you’re physically at like an actual on site in your office for example, you can set it so that it recognizes where you are and it adjusts to notifications based on that maybe in the case of of, of Jason for example, he needs certain notifications on so that he can be alerted if there’s something happening with the babysitter. Right? And so maybe depending if Jason is leaving the house to go to work, maybe he wants to be able to receive text messages or calls from the babysitter but have everything else turned off. And so that’s an example of how you can modify those things based on what your needs are. So that you can um, you know, stay informed, be responsible, be responsive but also make sure that you are moving from busy. Too productive.

[00:08:33.24] spk_0:
Jason has an infant at home. That’s why Miko is saying that

[00:08:37.24] spk_2:
very relevant.

[00:08:52.64] spk_0:
That was very relevant. Yes, very relevant. Um before we moved to Jason, Miko, can we talk about the importance of rest and the glory of napping? I’m, I’m a huge proponent of naps.

[00:10:19.74] spk_1:
Yes. I’m a big proponent of naps. And one thing I will share is I talk about deep rest right? And depressed is a continuum that includes power naps that includes sleeping. It includes just shutting yourself off from external stimulation. So, one of the things that I share with folks is that um some of us have a hard time sleeping and sleep looks looks differently for everyone. Um, But there are other ways to rest and recover and recharge outside of just like when I give the example of sometimes when I take a power nap for example for me a power nap is about 30 minutes or less. Sometimes I am not during that time period able to get into a place of deep sleep and that’s okay. Sometimes the restorative power comes from simply taking a moment to lie down or just sit in a comfortable, you know, cool place unplugged from the devices set the timer and simply allow my body to relax that the the act of doing that even if I don’t fall into a deep sleep is also rest and restoration as well. And so a lot of us beat ourselves up because we feel like oh I didn’t get you know, x number of hours of sleep. Well maybe we expand the definition to focus on. Did you allow yourself the space to simply not do A bunch of things at one time to allow your brain to rest to allow your body to rest. If you did that then maybe that’s good enough for where you are right now.

[00:10:38.74] spk_0:
There’s NASA research that the optimal naptime is 22 minutes. I’ve I’ve seen that I’ve seen that in a couple of places. So yes, that’s what they recommend for people on the International Space station. 22 minutes optimal naptime.

[00:11:07.04] spk_1:
Yes. And I find for myself that I I set my timer for 35 minutes and what that allows me to do it because actually you actually need time to get to that 22 minutes. And so I build in the buffer to allow myself to actually lie down and get comfortable, You know, whatever it is and generally by the time the 35 minutes is up, I’ve I’ve gotten some maybe not a full 22, but I’ve gotten, you know, a sufficient amount so that when I wake up, you know, I’m feeling refreshed and not, not groggy.

[00:11:29.94] spk_0:
Okay, you’re welcome to take more than an extra 13 minutes it takes to get a lot of prep time leading up to your nap. You need to get just the right position. Just the right weight blanket, just the right pillow. I mean I’m not, you know, these are all things that I have my special quilt, My nap quilt, it’s just the right weight. It’s soft cotton. It’s it’s it’s ideal. So

[00:11:33.16] spk_1:
Alright,

[00:11:39.04] spk_0:
So take your extra 13 minutes. Get yourself you get a solid 22 minutes of rest. All right, Jason, let’s go to you. Let’s let’s um what what you know I mean, however you guys have categorized these. You just, you just go next

[00:13:28.84] spk_2:
what? Well, following on the lines of tech distraction. I mean, Niko spoke a little bit about the built in functionality and one functionality dollar highlight is a night shift in nightlight which are baked into IOS and android. So in IOS, it’s called night shift in android, it’s called nightlight. And these functions used to be separate apps and then with the latest releases that they’re, they’re not baked into the absent and what it is is essentially a red light filter that turns on when the sun sets. And the reason why this is important is that for folks who may find themselves staying up late at night, like if you’re up at like, you know, one or two a.m. And you’re trying to figure out why you can’t fall asleep for some people, the culprit, maybe the blue light that is emanating from screens. So if you’re staring at your cell phone without a red light filter on, or if you’re working late into the night on a computer without a red light filter on, your actually exposing your eyes to a lot of blue light, which is kind of stimulating, you know, bright light outside. So, you know, your body is thinking that it’s kind of daylight and so, you know, no surprise that, you know, that may lead to kind of sleep problems. Uh, so uh night shift and night light, our settings where you can flip the setting on and then as the sun sets, you know, your um, screen will kind of tint a reddish orangey glow and uh I have found that it’s made an incredible difference in being able to fall asleep and actually feel tired. I think there was a, for me a pre night shift, um, life and in a post and even more important for me now with a little one uh you know, at home and you know, folks, I have introduced this feature to, you know, have have noted that um they actually, you know, start to feel tired at, you know, the times of day when they’re supposed to be, and, you know, they’re experiencing, you know, fewer sleep challenges in that regard.

[00:13:45.64] spk_0:
Doesn’t the blue light suppress the production of melatonin, which is uh, isn’t it melatonin? I think that because people take melatonin supplements, if they, if they’re not

[00:13:51.50] spk_2:
sleeping well, I

[00:14:03.04] spk_0:
think the blue light suppresses melatonin and that’s why it’s good to filter it out toward approaching sleep time, so that your body produces the melatonin that needs, it needs to help you fall asleep. Isn’t something like that.

[00:14:19.94] spk_2:
Yeah, I think it’s helpful to be able to provide the body with the ongoing cues that, you know, it’s that, you know, it’s been built for and, you know, if we’re creating lots of like artificial light, um, you know, via our, our screens and, you know, moving beyond the screens to in general, um that, you know, if uh if folks are, you know, having like really, really bright overhead lighting, you know, in their bedrooms or things, you know, it’s, you know, it’s important to be mindful of, you know, those light sources late at night

[00:15:39.74] spk_0:
television, same thing, you know, it it serves no purpose to use night shift or night light on your, on your device and then your phone, you know you’re watching tv you know again that that that that blue light. Um Yeah I just saw something else. Uh This is it seems like the the theme running through this is sleep. But I just saw I just saw research about the darkest, the darkest and the darkest environment is best for sleep, the least amount of light possible. So if you have a light on your charger, you know put a piece of, put a piece of tape over that or turn it upside down. So the light isn’t not the L. E. D. L. E. D. S are very bright so and the slightest light. Um I see it alarm clocks in hotel rooms and then I unplug those things and then and then I try to be courteous to the housekeeper and I reset the time before I before I check out but led alarm clocks, you know, brightness brightness is is bad firstly

[00:15:40.20] spk_2:
I totally hear you there. I’m putting putting tape over things. I I I’ve gone over my entire bedroom with electrical tape and so you know it’s it’s almost like doing a light on it. There’s like a little glow of something. Alright electrical tape is going on top

[00:16:36.14] spk_0:
Of it. Exactly there there’s a kit, there’s a little kit that Amazon sells for like $6. It’s different size circles and different shapes, circles and squares with an adhesive on the back, you just you know peel it off a sheet and then based on how big your light is that, you’re trying to cover those different sizes and different shapes. Um So you can get a little kid too, but same thing, some some kind of tape or whatever, but you wanna you wanna, you wanna sleep in a gym, not just dim dark, you want to sleep in a dark environment? Um All right, I love it. So, we haven’t even downloaded anything. We’re just using the devices that are using the functions that are on our devices for to avoid tech distractions. Um Why don’t you give us something else? God will stick with you. And then we’re going back to Mexico.

[00:18:06.94] spk_2:
Yeah, the next kind of another kind of uh tool is something called Newsfeed Eradicate. Er uh So this is a tool that was introduced to me by, by Miko and it’s a plug in that you uh is available for for chrome and when you install it, you know, when you log in on facebook that you see a bit newsfeed of everything. Uh I mean, newsfeed eradicate er it does just that it eradicates the news feed. So it allows you to be more intentional with your social media consumption that um you know, when you dip into a social media networks like facebook, you know, they’re incentivized to try and keep you on there for as long as possible. You know, viewing all the ads and so on and so forth. But sometimes you just need to go to facebook to send a quick message or to like look up something and you need to get back out. And what this does is that it removes all the distractions so that you’re not stuck on the site, you know, which can often happen. So it actually shows an inspirational quotation instead and you know, if you want to post an update, that’s all you can do. Um and you can just focus on that Now. Newsfeed Eradicate er has evolved over the years as well to include other uh platforms. So it’s also added twitter linkedin, youtube, instagram, hacker, news reddit. So uh you know, I think this really reflects that they’re they’re listening to their audiences as well because those are also other sites that, you know, um during the course of a day, you know, if you’re going in just to check in and something uh that uh you know, you could end up staying there longer than than you wish and a tool like Newsfeed eradicate er uh you know, allows you to be more focused.

[00:18:25.04] spk_0:
Yes, the distractions that which which are designed, they’re built into the they’re built into the sights and the apps to keep you there longer. That’s why uh Yeah, so news where we find, where do we find news feed eradicate er how do we how do we turn that on?

[00:18:33.84] spk_2:
Yeah, so you just short short in in the the chrome plug in. Um uh, Chrome plug ins online. It will show up as news feed. Eradicate er and you can uh, you can install it there.

[00:18:47.04] spk_0:
Okay. Chrome plug in. Excellent. Alright. Miko. What do you have?

[00:20:51.94] spk_1:
So minus is related. It’s also a plug in for um for chrome, it’s called stay focused and it’s a plug in that allows you to really manage your time on those distracting websites. So for me, for example, I’m a political news junkie and so I could spend all my time if I could going down the rabbit hole of, you know, the political news, you know, headlines and the videos and the podcast and all those things. Right. And so what state focus allows me to do is it allows me to set up time budget. So for me, My daily time budget is 30 minutes. And what that means is I plug in all of my distracting websites and I can browse those for 30 minutes. And then after my time expires, if I’m on one of those websites, I get a pop up that says, shouldn’t you be working and then the page closes right and my time budget resets every 24 hours. And so what this allows me to do is to um find the balance between being productive but also, you know, engaging in something that’s actually fun or entertaining or interesting to me, but to Jason’s point about facebook, for example. Um there’s nothing wrong with facebook, you know, facebook is great. If you like to watch cat videos of panda videos, that’s great. But we have to be able to put parameters and boundaries around us so we don’t spend all of our time doing that. You know, one of the things we have to recognize is that especially with social media technologies, they aren’t um neutral in terms of tools like we tend to think that technology is neutral, but they’re not because as Jason pointed out, there are companies that are incentivized, you know, for a number of different reasons to keep us on their platforms as long as possible, right? That’s how they make money, right? How they monetize their, their their offering. And so it’s a tools like stay focused, allow you to strike that balance between saying, okay, I like to watch cat videos or I like to follow the political news fox or I like to follow what’s happening on Reddit. That’s okay. There’s something wrong with that. But I’m going to set some limits on that so that I can do that while also making space to, you know, get the work done and also spend time with family and friends and some of the other things that are really important for your life as well.

[00:20:58.14] spk_0:
So stay focused as a, as an app for android and iphone,

[00:21:03.54] spk_1:
it’s a plug in. That’s a browser plug in just like, like the newsfeed Eradicate er for, for chrome.

[00:21:34.94] spk_0:
Okay, Okay. Alright. 30 minutes. You’re pretty disciplined. I would have said it for more like six hours or something, you know, so defeated 10 hours and defeat the whole no, but I’m using the good, I’m using the good plug in. I’m using it. Alright. 30 minutes is very disciplined. All right. And then it shuts you said it shut the site down. If you if you go over whatever whatever site you’re on, if you, when you go over it, it pulls it down, shuts it. Yeah,

[00:22:04.94] spk_1:
So it’s, it replaces it with a with a pop up that says, shouldn’t you be working? Um now, and obviously they’re there. You know, if you’re determined enough, you can obviously work around like I can open another browser. I can do a number of other things. But the point is that hopefully that will be enough for most people to pause and to really assess. Okay, well this has been enough. I can I can come back uh and you know, I’ll, You know, I’ll be able to come back. I have another 30 minutes tomorrow. I really need to get back to this report. I’m working on. I need to go, you know, walk the dog or whatever it is,

[00:22:13.04] spk_0:
raise your consciousness, right? Give you the chance to be disciplined.

[00:22:18.24] spk_1:
Exactly.

[00:24:03.44] spk_0:
If you, if you want to override it and go back into un productivity then of course you can, you can figure out how to do that. It’s time for a break. Turn to communications content. They can help you create content whether that’s for internal audiences or for your outside audiences, whether it’s blog posts, social media, your annual report, reports for the board research that can help you create content and and content curation management. Have you got a lot of documents, some of which could be valuable on your website, on your blog. There might be good social media posts, but you don’t know how to organize them or their you need somebody to go through them to find the good stuff and separate the wheat from the chaff. Always like that. The wheat and the chaff, you know, they can help you with that too. So the content creation and also the curation, the management of your content organization there of all eminently doable by turn to turn to communications turn hyphen two dot c o. Now back to apps, tools and tactics for the hybrid workplace. What’s the movie you both have talked about the way absent sites are designed to keep us on. What was the movie just within the past year or 18 months that that revealed the tricks the or the technology that uh, that all the big sites used to keep you on, was it? It wasn’t the social network that was the older one about facebook wasn’t it? The social

[00:24:07.02] spk_1:
network

[00:24:09.08] spk_0:
social dilemma. Thank you social dilemma. It’s exciting. It’s on HBO. It’s excellent. Thank you. Make up your social dilemma reveals all the technology that they’re using to keep you on intentionally intentionally. That you’re right. This this is the technology is no longer neutral.

[00:24:39.44] spk_1:
Yes. So yes. So the social dilemma talks about that. And um what you know, uh example that um that Jason gave us in terms of the news feed, which is sort of never ending, right sort of this infinite loop, for example, um you have other examples with netflix and Youtube where the default setting is for the next thing to play right automatically.

[00:24:52.80] spk_0:
Right? You

[00:24:54.73] spk_1:
can turn those off.

[00:24:56.94] spk_0:
So

[00:25:12.54] spk_1:
with netflix, you can turn off the automatic playing of the other things. You can also turn off what I find annoying is sort of the the audio preview. You can turn off the audio preview so that you know, when you’re flipping through different options. The audio preview doesn’t you know, you’re not sort of it’s not blaring at you as you’re trying to decide what you’re gonna

[00:25:36.54] spk_0:
do, you’re trying to sort through what to watch and every time you highlight something right, the preview starts all right, I’m gonna check, I’m gonna check the settings in all three, you’re the one that annoys the hell out of me. You know, I just watched a great movie. I like to watch a movie to the very bitter end that has the copyright year in the credit. But but they’ll but they’ll start streaming. They’ll they’ll they’ll, they’ll start streaming another movie or so. Or unless you click up into the upper corner to say continue the credits

[00:25:43.08] spk_1:
so

[00:26:23.14] spk_0:
You can, you can defeat it, but you got it, you got like 10 seconds or maybe 15 seconds. I think it’s always, you have 10 seconds to move the cursor, you know, go up and highlight continue credits and then, and then you can watch the indian credits and the and the music. And to me, they’re cutting the movie in half. Even though it’s, it’s the last two minutes to me, they’ve cut it in half the credits count. I want to see the credits. I want to hear the music. Alright. I didn’t even realize you could turn those things off. Okay. Check check settings. So check settings in all your streaming apps. All right, Thank you. Excellent. Alright. Uh, let’s see, Jason. You wanna you wanna take a turn.

[00:28:11.14] spk_2:
Yeah. So another section in the presentation that is on automation and ai tools and I’ll start with a really cool one that came out fairly recently and it’s called visual ping. So the the ul Firdous visual pain dot io. And what it is, is essentially a tool that will tell you when a site changes. Now. It sounds super simple, but you know, the specific use case maybe, you know, let’s say you are looking at a site and you’re having to check it regularly for, um, uh, an organization that is going to be announcing, you know, a round of grants soon and you want to be notified. But let’s say they don’t have an email notification system set up where they don’t have like a feed. Um, that means, you know, someone in your organization or you have to be checking that every day or maybe several times a day if it’s super urgent or you want to get in, you know quickly and what visual ping allows you to do is just you input the website and that, you know, you can allow um, yourself to, to draw a few boxes and say, you know, this is the area of the site that I want to be notified when it changes and it’ll send you a message when it changes or you can connect it to something like zap here to, you know, maybe send you a message on slack or however you wish to configure it. Um, but it’s, it’s really, really cool, you know, and especially when you look at some websites that, you know, may not even that are manually updated, this can be really, really useful. Um, so you know, for notifications of, let’s say if there’s, you know, I’ve used it for notifications of new charity registrations. Um, there, there isn’t necessarily a notification feed for that. So I usually just send me a notification every time a new charity is registered in Canada. Um, I had a friend, you know, share with me that they used it to get tickets for the latest marvel movie when they came out to be notified as soon as they were available. So you know lots of use cases for it and it’s it’s really taken off.

[00:28:21.64] spk_1:
Covid vaccination appointments.

[00:28:23.65] spk_2:
Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:26.64] spk_1:
Covid vaccination appointments.

[00:28:30.34] spk_0:
Covid excellent. Uh Jason aren’t you getting too many things about new charity registrations daily? I mean aren’t there dozens a day?

[00:29:13.14] spk_2:
Yeah, they they it only um I think that the website only gets updated when it it does update. Uh so it is possible to actually go a couple of days without any notifications and I think that they seem to be patched updated. So when they are updated I’ll get a notification and then they’ll be like, okay, there’s four new charities registered today. I know that after the holiday season there’s a whole slew of them. Um You know, it’s uh yeah, it’s it’s just been kind of cool to to see that because otherwise, you know, I was checking the site like you know, once a week, just like, oh you know what’s new and now, you know, I think there’s some really interesting possibilities um for just being able to, you know, I see it as it as it comes up

[00:29:20.44] spk_0:
and what do you what do you do with that information? Is it just it’s just just for you to see the breath of charitable work being done in Canada or are you doing something with the new registrations as they come through?

[00:29:48.44] spk_2:
Yeah, I I was just curious to see, you know, them as they’re coming through, uh you know, I tried a little experiment where I connected it to uh happier um kind of process to automatically tweeted out. Um so, you know, I think there’s some, you know, experiments that, you know, I’m trying there, but um yeah, it was really just to stay informed and on top of, you know, the new organizations that are coming out and you know, what what what what are the new charities and what are they focused on?

[00:29:58.14] spk_0:
Interesting. Okay, okay, Mika want to take a turn, please give us give us a couple.

[00:31:44.24] spk_1:
Sure, so, yeah, so it’s sort of sticking with this theme about ai automation. Um, you know, a lot of us use, in terms of productivity tools, we use some version of the google suite of tools, so google docs, google slides, or we’re using Microsoft office or something similar. And something that’s really cool. Is that both of those actually have built into it, You don’t have to buy anything new, you don’t have to install the plug in, they have dictation features that allow you to actually speak as opposed to type so you can actually speak your notes, speak your outline, your agenda, whatever, whatever it is that you’re actually working on, and depending on the type of productivity style you have, depending on also your your learning style, maybe you’re not so good at typing. Uhm maybe if you’re doing brainstorming, maybe you just want to sort of, speak out loud as you’re outlining that report or whatever it is, and just have it sort of automatically be captured. Both Microsoft office and the google docs have the um dictation features like this built in. Um And there are there are other tools that folks are probably aware of, like outer ai for example, that integrate with zoom to actually do transcription. Um there’s also um close captioning, A lot of people aren’t aware of close captioning that is automated. That’s built into things like zoom and teams and teams that you can turn on to make your meetings more accessible. Um I think by default, it’s they’re they’re available in english um and you might have to pay an additional fee or hire a live trans transcriber if you wanted another language, depending on the type of meeting that you have, but nonetheless, those are features that are that are there um that can make life a bit easier for folks that are ai it’s an Ai driven

[00:31:53.54] spk_0:
if you’re doing this in the word sweet or google suite, you just search for dictation.

[00:32:00.84] spk_1:
Yeah, so I would if I am not able to set a pinpoint exactly where but what I would do is just go to the help menu and search for um for dictation or you can just do a quick google search. Um Those will be the two places I would start to to look for where in your particular version you might find

[00:32:18.84] spk_0:
that. And then also a good point about the closed captioning on zoom.

[00:32:22.54] spk_1:
Yes.

[00:32:23.15] spk_0:
Make make these also making technology more accessible as

[00:32:27.81] spk_1:
well.

[00:32:29.44] spk_0:
What what else? Miko let’s stay with you.

[00:35:36.54] spk_1:
Um So out of responders, so many of us are accustomed to this when it comes to out of office replies for email. Um I encourage people to use those to indicate um you know, your availability and and and things of that nature. Um but in addition to that, there are also out of responders for things like social media and so there’s I’m going to give you a low tech version and the high tech version. So if your organization, for example has a facebook page, I’m gonna give you the high tech version. Uh facebook has a feature that will allow you to set up an auto responder um to respond to people. So for example maybe you are a crisis hotline but maybe you’re not 24 7 and so people are reaching out to you through your facebook page, maybe you want an auto respond and let people know hey we’re not available between the hours of this hour and that our if you have an emergency please call this number or you know please make an appointment if it’s not urgent to come back the next day or whatever it might be right, so you can use your auto responder uh to to communicate and give people access to information if you’re not able to respond in the moment. Right? So that’s sort of the one of the high tech solutions sort of built into facebook um and I actually use this my personal, my organizational facebook page because I’m not, I’m not active on facebook, so I’m, I’m active on other platforms and so I use my auto responders let people know, hey I see that you found me here. I’m actually not here, I’m taking a break from facebook, but you can find me on linkedin, you can find me on instagram and here’s the information for that um low tech version of that is on this, I’m going to use twitter as an example, so twitter is another platform where I have a presence, but I’m not active, twitter is for this particular season of my life and work, not a tool that makes sense for me. Uh and so I made a decision that I’m going to take a break from twitter, so twitter does not have a built in auto responder, so what I’ve done is I’ve simply created a tweet that I have pinned that simply says I am not on twitter if you want to reach me, here’s how you can actually reach me, you can go to my instagram page or you can follow me or connect with me on linkedin and I’m happy to engage or two that way. So if you go to my twitter profile, that’s gonna be the first thing that you actually see, you’re gonna see that pin tweet that says I am out of the office where I’m away from twitter and here’s the best way to, to connect with me. So um auto responders I think are pretty cool when you’re using in this context. And so the high tech version is if the tool you’re using has that built in, you can do it that way and then given the example that I showed you with twitter where it’s not a native feature, um but you can still use it as such and this is important too for smaller organizations, maybe you have a small staff and it’s it’s not feasible. It probably doesn’t make sense from a communication standpoint to be Active on all the platforms at one time, but people might still be looking for you, that people might be looking for you on tiktok on twitter on facebook and maybe you’re not able to manage all those things, maybe you’re only able to manage, you know, instagram because you only have one person who’s working part time or whatever it is, right? And so you can acknowledge that people are looking for you across those platforms set up, auto responders if those things are available or just simply, you know, Panda message just says, hey, I know you’re looking for me here, but we’re taking a break, find us over here.

[00:35:54.54] spk_0:
I love it. You’re walking your walk, your your very intentional and mindful about what platforms you’re on. You said you you said at this phase, twitter doesn’t make sense for

[00:36:43.03] spk_1:
you. Yes. And I encourage everyone to think about that, particularly if you are managing a brand for your, for your organization, uh to consider like, yes, part of your audience might be on twitter, Part of your artists might be on facebook or on Tiktok, but if you realistically don’t have the capacity to manage those things, well, that’s perfectly okay, There’s nothing wrong with that. And so there are ways that you can figure out what’s one or two platforms that you actually can manage well, and then you can use the auto responder or another strategy to manage the fact that people are looking for you on those other platforms, but you simply don’t have the bandwidth to be on those right now. It’s

[00:36:57.73] spk_0:
also just very considerate. So that people, because because if people see a presence on a on one of the social sites, then I think it’s reasonable to assume that there’s gonna be some interaction if, if I if I try to engage with, you know, but but you’re being considerate and saying, you don’t don’t have that expectation because I’m not here, but you can find me in these other places and then I’ll be happy to engage with you.

[00:37:11.13] spk_1:
Very

[00:37:12.72] spk_0:
considerate, very considerate use of of the social network’s Jason, Jason.

[00:37:19.83] spk_2:
Yeah, so I would like to share a copy ai, so this is another really cool tool that it allows you to use ai to generate uh

[00:37:33.33] spk_1:
copy

[00:38:29.62] spk_2:
for various things, so I’ll give a few examples here. Um you can input something like a brief description of your organization, you know, what you do, or maybe, you know, you can copy and paste, you know, your case for support, you know, into it and what it does is it’ll generate you text based on what it is that you need. So let’s say for example, you would like to write social media posts that it can generate for you say, you know, 20 or 30 proposed, you know, social media posts with with content based on what you’ve input into it. Now, keeping in mind that, you know that this this is not intended to be like, you know, you copy and paste directly what comes out of this into your social media like that, this is more of a kind of a first draft kind of thing, but it can be a huge time saver for various things. So, you know, one example is for social media posts, another is um for landing pages, so if you’re trying to create, you know, landing pages for, you know, your website and you, you know, several of them that, you know, you can input the intent or what you would like and the system will auto generate, you know, within a few seconds, something that you know may otherwise take 10 or 15 minutes um or you know, depending on you know, how long you’re you’re making it um a 10 or 15 minutes reduced to a few seconds again for a first draft kind of thing that you can then tweak and evaluate. Um most of them are pretty good, you know that there’s some that you know, you definitely wouldn’t use but you know, I think that that’s the element of you know um the human in the loop kind of process to make sure that uh you know, this is working well

[00:39:11.12] spk_0:
that you said copy ai, is that is that an example of an app or that’s a general category

[00:39:17.34] spk_1:
of

[00:39:18.32] spk_0:
of the type of ai you’re talking about?

[00:39:20.90] spk_2:
So the website is copy dot ai

[00:39:23.52] spk_0:
copy dot ai. Okay, that’s an example of one of one. Okay, so

[00:39:39.42] spk_1:
Jason a question for you, so would an example be that let’s say tony were to take the transcript of this conversation and he wanted to generate social media from it. He upload the transcript to copy dot ai and have it do a first draft of social media for this conversation.

[00:40:41.21] spk_2:
Yeah, I think you could even um uh yeah I think put that in and then you could input, you know um uh you know generate uh generate a social media copy or landing page, you know, based on the, you know, the conversation, if you had a transcript available, uh the technology that it’s built on is built on a model called GPT three and that was released fairly recently and it’s it’s really really if if folks want to look beyond copy dot ai and want to dig a little deeper, um they can go to the open ai website and register for an account and it allows you to kind of peek under the hood and uh it gives a few options for folks to um, you know, have conversations with Ai or um try out, you know, you could input like very large blocks of text and ask it to, you know, summarize or explain, explain this to me. Like I’m a five year old for, you know, if you’re looking for like simplified descriptions

[00:40:44.42] spk_0:
and that’s a that’s an open ai.

[00:40:46.61] spk_2:
Yeah,

[00:40:47.71] spk_0:
open dot is it open dot ai,

[00:40:50.11] spk_2:
I believe. It’s open. Open ai dot

[00:41:09.41] spk_0:
com, interesting. Alright, alright, so we start to get a little more comfortable with artificial intelligence and not, not fear it. Uh and here, Alright, so it can give you a first draft, like you’re saying, instead of, so instead of looking at a blank screen uh it gives you a place to start for for a blog post or social posts. Alright, alright.

[00:41:31.31] spk_2:
Yeah, I think, I think it’s a big time saver and that like, you know, you could be spending like ours, you know, turning out those, those first drafts for um uh for some of this copy and, you know, really that this, you know, can save you those hours and really, you know, puts you more in a in a curation kind of mindset where you can, you know, take a look and tweak and kind of use those hours to um, you know, further refine um you know, the things that, you know, would otherwise be really time consuming to to put out.

[00:41:44.51] spk_0:
Yeah,

[00:42:29.30] spk_1:
I was gonna say so, Jason, I think one of the use cases we talked about was, you know, summarizing long or complex documents. So like if you’re an advocacy organization, you’re following policy or legislation that’s coming out. You know, a lot of those things they come out and you have to have a be ready to have a rapid response. Right? And so something that can really help is, if you can use a tool like copy dot ai to say, okay, can you give me like a really rough summary of this, you know, 100 page, you know, legislation that just came out, um and and just highlights, right? So again, it’s not gonna be perfect, but, you know, it you can use that alongside, you know, humans actually sort of taking a look at and reading line by line. Um and it can help you to sort of again speed up the process of if you need to respond to that, maybe there’s something you don’t like and they need to be able to put out a press release, you know, saying what you like and what you don’t like or whatever. It might be

[00:45:25.49] spk_0:
excellent. That’s a very good case. Alright. And, and Nico, this is in line with, you know what we were talking about earlier being busy versus being productive. You may feel like you’re productive if you’re reading the 100 pages of proposed legislation, but you can be more, much more productive by having a tool. Give you a first cut through it and then at the very least I will give you a place to focus your attention. So then you go read the pages that are relevant at the very least right business versus productivity. You don’t, you don’t want the former strive strive for the ladder. It’s time for Tony’s take two in the summertime when the weather is hot. You can stretch right up and rush this guy when the weather’s fine. You’ve got women, you’ve got women on your mind. Yes. The summer time is coming up of course that was Mongo jerry. You know him, they do all that the sound effects with their mouth. You know that I always thought that was on a washboard, but you watch the videos and just their mouths the summertime, the summertime. So I’m reminding you two make your plans for summer, whether it’s time alone, which can be very restorative or time with others. Whoever that might be. Start looking at that summertime calendar. You aren’t going to find the time to do the things you want to do this summer. You’re gonna have to make the time. You got to make the time. Set it aside. Be intentional. You want to spend time with these friends, Book the weekend and then it’s in violet. Everybody trusts everybody else and your weekend happens. So just uh, my advice, please set that time aside for yourself for others. Book it off and preserve it so that you can enjoy your summer the way you want to, whatever it means to you however you want to do it. Make the time. You’re not gonna find it. That is Tony’s take two. We’ve got boo koo but loads more time for apps, tools and tactics for the hybrid workplace with Jason, shim and Miko Whitlock, you guys have more. Right, I’m sure. Is there more, Is there more out there

[00:45:29.19] spk_1:
there? I mean, we we could talk forever. Um, so would you like us to go through another category and what would you like?

[00:45:37.29] spk_0:
Yeah, sure. You got please. What what’s, what’s the category introduced it. So we know what we’re talking about.

[00:46:01.68] spk_1:
So we’re talking about productivity. So this is category, Focus on productivity. And I’m going to highlight one around video. So there are lots of interesting video tools out there and I’m gonna group these together. So there are three. So there is Vidyard is one Bloom is the 2nd 1 and bonds Euro is the third. They’re all very similar.

[00:46:07.36] spk_0:
Say the first one again?

[00:46:09.28] spk_1:
Vidyard.

[00:46:10.48] spk_0:
Vidyard,

[00:46:13.38] spk_1:
Yes, V I D White, A R D.

[00:46:14.87] spk_0:
Vidyard and

[00:48:16.17] spk_1:
then loom. So they’re all very similar. Uh And the, you know, one of the more common use cases is particularly since we’re working a lot of us in the remote or hybrid setting. Um you asked me for example earlier, how do I find the dictation feature in google docs or in Microsoft word for example. Um And so in this youth case I could actually send you a video with the voice over with me on the screen showing you my screen and showing you step by step how to actually do it. So as opposed to simply just send you the instructions, I can actually show you and you could say, okay, well actually I don’t see it, I’m like, well, tony show me what you’re seeing. You could send me a video back, show me what you what you see and it can be asynchronous. So right now we are together having our conversation together, but maybe we are asynchronous, you know, maybe you’re in a different time zone. Um and you know, we are available to respond at different times. And so this allows you to send video back and forth. Uh and you know, help one another in a way that’s going to be more helpful than simply sending someone a list of things and an email do this, this and this, right. People can actually see it another use case. And this is something that, that, um, you know, Jason shared in terms of fundraising, you know, you know, how often do you make a donation and you receive nowadays, um, an email or if that at all saying thank you for your donation and that’s it, like, that’s all you get right. But how cool would it be if you got a sort of an email, you got a short video that was like, hey Tony, thank you for your 25 donation, $25 donation to save the Wells. I really appreciate it as a result of it. You know, you’re gonna save x number of wells and we appreciate your support and you’ve got like a 32nd video from somebody, um, you know, how impactful would that be. And so tools like this allow you to actually do that fairly fairly easily. So there’s so many use cases for this and one of the, the, the broader points in terms of productivity that allows you to make particularly hybrid or remote work more productive, particularly when you’re working a synchronously. So if you’re not gonna zoom together, you’re not together, you’re working at different times. Um, but you want to bridge the communication gap. Um, these can be powerful tools to help you do just that

[00:48:49.17] spk_0:
bonjour Euro is one that I know and I, and I use, uh, for exactly the way you describe it. I don’t do it with donors, but I do it with new members to my, my course planned giving accelerator when when someone has, has joined the course and paid the tuition, I send them instantly. I send them and I, I tease it with, you know, when I see your payment comes through, I’ll send you my special welcome.

[00:48:59.37] spk_1:
Yes.

[00:49:09.37] spk_0:
And then the special welcome is that it’s a 30 or 45 2nd video. It’s just I find that one makes it very easy to use. But you’re saying loom and vidyard also as good as bond or Oh

[00:49:58.57] spk_1:
yeah, so they’re, they’re very similar. And so maybe Jason can speak to like some of the nuances there that I’m not aware of. Another use case here too is, you know, you know, you mentioned you have your courses and so on. I do a lot of prerecorded things and so, you know, things like bloom can be super useful where I can, you know, maybe I don’t want to use them. Um, maybe I wanna use um, bloom because I want to share my screen. Maybe I’m doing drawings on the screen and I want to show people things I wanna point to stuff. I want to highlight different things. Uh, but I want people to be able to see me and hear me as well. Um, so a tool like loom for example, can be a powerful tool to help you to to to do that. So when people get you’re recording, it’s not just you, but they’re able to see you your slides, they’re able to see you interacting with the slides. Um and and so on.

[00:50:02.76] spk_0:
How is that better than using zoom? If you just recorded yourself on zoom and shared your screen, zoom has a white board feature,

[00:50:11.36] spk_1:
it’s just an alternative.

[00:50:13.06] spk_0:
Yeah, it’s

[00:50:13.45] spk_1:
just an alternative.

[00:50:15.46] spk_0:
Yeah. As you can loom you can zoom Alright,

[00:50:17.61] spk_1:
alright.

[00:50:18.76] spk_0:
It’s cool. Uh

[00:50:59.86] spk_2:
I’ve also found that for for figured um when I’ve had to troubleshoot any technical issues with any of the software that I’m using. Uh and I send in a video video detailing exactly what my screen looks like and what I’m doing as I’m narrating it. Um I up until I started doing that, I never got feedback from support people being like, oh my gosh, this is so amazing, thank you. Since I started doing that feedback that I get from support folks like thank you so much, you know, this has saved multiple back and forth emails and we can solve and diagnosed the problem in one shot. And so if you if you want to make a support persons day in your for technical issues, you know, record a video of your have any problems here you’re having and send that in

[00:51:02.76] spk_0:
and also be more productive.

[00:51:05.76] spk_1:
Yes,

[00:51:06.36] spk_0:
avoid the end, avoid the endless emails back and forth. All right,

[00:51:10.48] spk_1:
yes,

[00:51:13.06] spk_0:
Jason your turn.

[00:51:54.16] spk_2:
Yeah. So speaking of avoiding, you know, back and forth. A couple of tools that I’d like to highlight is addressing uh quite quite a simple thing. So, you know, I think folks tend to copy and paste fairly frequently on a day to day basis. So, you know, you go into one document and you need to copy something over into another document. But what do you do when you have many little bits of information that you need to shuffle over now? For most folks, you know, they may just flip back and forth over and over again. However, there are there is software that will make it easier to do that. Um So the specific software for Mac, it’s all the fly cut and the windows um equivalent is copy Q. That’s the letter Q. And the analogy I would use is that it’s kind of like a bucket for your clipboard. Or maybe a better analogy is a like a coffee tray. So instead of having to go back and forth to the coffee shop, you know, for each individual kind of request that you can just kind of put it, you know, in a tray and get it all at once. And then, you know, when you’re um moving between programs that you can, you know, copy copy, copy a whole bunch of different stuff. So

[00:52:27.41] spk_0:
Let’s say you could have 20

[00:52:33.75] spk_2:
different items, then you can move to, you know, where you actually want to paste the stuff and then, you know, paste paste paste paste, instead of having to go back and forth 40 times. You could, you know, just batch those all at once. And this is a very simple, but um you know, if you’re doing this like, I don’t know, 40 50 times a day and you multiply that over the course of a year, like this can save a huge amount of time.

[00:52:56.55] spk_0:
Why do we have to wait till 20, for somebody to think of that? I’m sorry, what did you say?

[00:53:14.35] spk_1:
I think equivalents have been around for a while. I think they’ve they’ve evolved over time, but they’ve been around for a while. Like the for particularly for folks that are like into programming and things like that, they’re probably we’re aware of these tools, you know? Well, before now,

[00:53:50.95] spk_0:
Alright, I was not alright, copy to you. Yeah. You know, from my intent interviews, my ntC interviews, I I was copying and pasting the tight onto I made a sheet for each for each interview. So I need the title, I need the uh the, the short bios of each person or the name and the title, but they’re not together. So I was doing them separately because they’re not together on the page and then I need the description and I need the learning outcomes. So it’s like four or five or depending on the number of speakers could be like eight different copy and paste for one interview. Alright so I can bulk copy and then bulk paste with copy

[00:53:54.69] spk_2:
queue

[00:53:55.75] spk_1:
or you could just hire Jason to create a process where it it’s great. It scrapes the website, it creates the sheets for

[00:54:01.25] spk_0:
you.

[00:54:06.98] spk_1:
Exactly. And you’ll just you know, take you 30 seconds and you’ll have all the things you

[00:54:14.84] spk_0:
need Jason. I don’t think I can afford Jason though. His expertise is being

[00:54:18.02] spk_2:
friends and family discount.

[00:54:19.10] spk_0:
Thank you. Alright.

[00:54:21.15] spk_1:
And he’s he’s on parental leave now so you can take advantage of that, you

[00:54:23.91] spk_0:
know? That’s right. I got leverage. Yes. Well it it paid paid leave.

[00:54:29.14] spk_2:
Yeah.

[00:54:44.64] spk_0:
I don’t have quite the economic but take the friends, I’ll take the friends and family discount. Alright. Um Alright let’s keep going. We got a couple more minutes, we can spend a lot more time um Do something else. Somebody I I’m not gonna call you guys decide who wants to go next.

[00:55:04.04] spk_1:
I’ll talk about timing. So we were working in a remote and hybrid world, I think all of us but I think yeah, I think all of us are probably in different time zones, right? And so I find um particularly in remote hybrid environment that I’ve I’ve there have been instances where I’ve gotten confused about times I was like and what time something is and I actually think this, this actually happened for our ntc session and I was like, well I thought this was an hour later, you know,

[00:55:10.55] spk_0:
oh my

[00:55:16.04] spk_1:
I did not know, luckily Jason, you know had the sense to to call and

[00:55:19.48] spk_0:
text. Yes.

[00:57:36.93] spk_1:
So we so we got that that part figured out. So one of the things that I that I love is a feature because I’m a I’m a big google calendar person. So I there’s a feature in google calendar actually to one is called multiple time zones requires no add on, you can go into your settings and you can, if there are frequent time zones that you’re operating across for your organization, you can add those. And so I’ve added those in terms of the clients that I worked with, what are the three or four most frequent time zones so that when I’m booking um appointments, I can see which time zone it is and make sure that it’s the right time. And then the other is the world clock feature that is very similar um that allows you to see what time it is in different time zones at a glance. Um and that allows um scheduling to to make things easier. Um and it’s for me like as someone who’s traveling and you’re working with people across multiple time zones, that helps me to understand, okay, what time zone am I in and what time zone is my is my client in and I’ll give you an example that was really relevant with the daylight savings time. So the place that I’m at now. Um so so some people that I know this, but when we have daylight savings time, not every time zone changes at the same time. Right? And so the time zone that I was in this year, um there was like a three week difference, right? Where there was, there was like, I wasn’t like no man’s land where like it was like regular time or standard time everywhere else. But like I’m still stuck in like this place where like I’m in purgatory or something. And so I needed to be very, very uh in tune with like what time it was for me versus what time it was, wherever it was that I was with the folks that I was actually collaborating with. So multiple time zones and the world clocks feature, I don’t need to add anything, simply the features that you can actually turn on by going into your settings into your google calendar. Um They’re similar features for for outlook for folks who are looking for those so you can google and and figure out what those things are. But something super simple, but actually super helpful in terms of helping you to be more productive when it comes to scheduling those those meetings.

[00:57:40.53] spk_0:
Alright, so, so world clock and multiple time zones that those are both features in google calendar.

[00:57:45.93] spk_1:
Okay,

[00:58:02.72] spk_0:
because I’m thinking when you said world clock, I’m thinking too, I use iphone, you can just set up multiple just on iphone set up multiple time zones for where your where your clients are. I mean I’ve been doing some collaborating with some folks in India now and

[00:58:03.28] spk_1:
absolutely

[00:58:07.82] spk_0:
It’s 10.5 hours ahead from eastern time where I am. So and and it’s a half hour difference in every time zone is not on the hour

[00:58:12.92] spk_1:
in

[00:58:16.82] spk_0:
terms of different so there’s 1.5 hours. Um And then in my class we had the trouble. Hawaii does not use daylight savings

[00:58:21.18] spk_1:
time. Funny

[00:58:22.92] spk_0:
there, but they don’t need it. So the class members from hawaii we’re late for or they missed the missed the class after daylight savings time. They don’t think of it. So

[00:58:33.96] spk_1:
uh

[00:58:41.12] spk_0:
get smart. Yes. Just be productive. You know, there are tools to help you with this. You don’t have to make the calculation every time. I love your kids like you’re traveling. All right. So I know you know from your home this client is plus three hours. But right now I just went back to So now they’re plus five or do I add the two or do I subtract the +25 plus one now, you know,

[00:58:59.12] spk_1:
So you’re you’re doing like a math problem right

[00:59:15.22] spk_0:
use your tools use the tools please use the tools. Um All right. Nico I let Jason open. So why don’t you wrap us up and give us give us one more and take us out with little motivation.

[01:01:14.21] spk_1:
All right. So I’ll give you one more and a little bit motivation. So the last one I’m gonna give you is a tool called what’s at business. A lot of folks are familiar with what’s app which is encrypted SmS platform. There are others like telegram and and and and like um but one of the things I like about what’s at business is um it allows you to number one have more than one WhatsApp number. So if you have just a regular WhatsApp, most people understand that. One of the limitations is that you can only tie one phone number to WhatsApp. And so I travel internationally. So I have an international number and I have a US number. But with the traditional WhatsApp I wasn’t able to use WhatsApp with both numbers. Well now I can because I set up a WhatsApp business account and I’ve attached my international number two that and now I can use both WhatsApp accounts um simultaneously. The other use cases for organizations. Um Going back to the crisis hotline example, maybe you’re using WhatsApp as a way to communicate with folks and have it be encrypted for example, um you can set up a catalog or a menu of services that you offer within what’s at business. You can set up auto responders so people can get a response if you’re not available. They can get a response of of like your office hours or how to contact you um doing regular times of who to contact if it’s an emergency. Um and you can allow ready access for multiple people to use the west top business account and be able to respond to messages. Um and and not have that limitation that you have with the traditional um WhatsApp that most people are familiar with. So um if going back to this time zone um challenge you also have multiple phone numbers for whatever reason, right? Hopefully for legal reasons um that you’re you’re able to use WhatsApp um business to help make that transition a bit more a bit more seamless. So um

[01:01:23.41] spk_0:
you

[01:02:24.40] spk_1:
know as we close out, you know, I really want to just go back to what we talked about at the top which is you asked us about the mental model for the work that we’re doing. And um it’s really again moving from being busy, right, taking off things on the checklist, ticking through those emails, you know, counting the number of hours that you worked and really centering the amount of your time and energy and effort on being productive and moving towards tangible meaningful, impactful outcomes for your work. And to apply this, not just for your work but also personally we can apply these same concepts to how are we um making ourselves more productive so that we can be more present and more available for our friends, for our family, for our colleagues and also for ourselves because ultimately, if we are not at our best, when we cant give our best and so we want to make sure that we are keeping that in mind as we think about this topic of Absolutely and tactics specifically in this hybrid world that we’re experiencing right now,

[01:02:45.30] spk_0:
That’s a perfect wrap up. Thank you and I’m gonna, I’m gonna ruin it now. You’re stuck with a lackluster host. It’s tragic. Really tragic because while you were talking, I realized, you know, we didn’t talk anything about email help. Help with the email email management. Are there, do you guys have anything I’m putting you on the spot now in a specific category, Do you have ideas for? I feel bad for ruining your outstanding rapper. We’ll just have to listen to, you have to replay it after we have, but we gotta hit email. You mentioned email, you have, you have tips for email management?

[01:03:12.20] spk_1:
We do. There are tons of tips and um, I’m gonna let Jason there was one you covered in the session um the inbox pause. You want to talk a little about that?

[01:04:23.19] spk_2:
Yeah, there’s a tool called inbox because it’s uh it’s made by boomerang and it’s a plug in that it’s, it applies for gmail and what it does is that it will hide your inbox until you’re you’re kind of ready to to view or that’s that’s one of the settings that you can have. But the positive boxes that when you press the pause button, it’ll stop the emails from coming in. So that uh you know, you can more carefully manage your time around how you process the email. So instead of you know, going back and checking and responding that you can actually, you know, schedule in time and your calendar be okay. This is my designated email checking and responding time. And not kind of have that temptation of having the email sitting in the inbox because you literally can’t see them until you hit the resume inbox. And then all the emails will come flooding in and then you can process it then and there. So uh you know this this kind of goes in line with what we shared earlier about, you know, um Newsfeed Eradicate. Er it’s kind of similar in its function and that um you know, this is to manage your attention and you know, help make it easier to uh schedule intentional time to to deal with those things.

[01:04:28.81] spk_0:
Okay? Inbox inbox pause. You have another, you have another email tool, Jason.

[01:04:35.69] spk_2:
I have one.

[01:04:41.19] spk_1:
Yeah, I was gonna okay.

[01:04:42.09] spk_2:
Uh

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so I was going to share uh it’s a strategy and then the tool related to the strategy. So the research shows that we spend more than half of our work time actually reading writing, responding to email. More than half of our work time reading writing responding to emails. So a significant chunk of our lives are spent nowadays, you know in our in our inboxes. And so one of the most effective things that we can do to manage that time more effectively and to actually lower that amount of time is to um reduce the number of decisions that we have to make about the things in our inbox. And one of the most effective ways to do that is by actually filtering things into different buckets um so that you’re not having to think about that because when when the when the email comes in it’s not just responding to that, you have to think okay do I respond to this? Is this spam and it will respond to this now do I respond to this later? How urgent is this? You’re having to think about all those things simultaneously and it becomes mentally and emotionally draining and exhausting over time. So I use Gmail and one of the ways I do this with Gmail is I use the multiple inboxes feature That allows me to sort things into um four different buckets. I have my main inbox I have um you know, alert for things like google docs. So if Jason and I are working on something and Jason’s tagging me, I can see that Jason tagged me and expecting a response. I have my newsletters right, so those are things that don’t require an immediate response. So those are things I want to go back to. But I don’t need to see that in my inbox and then drag it and drop it to manually to a folder and then the last one of the receipts. Right? So if I’m ordering things online, um I don’t need to see that receipt right away. So if I need to see that receipt for tax purposes or if we’re getting reimbursement, I know that it’s there in my my receipts folder and I can go back and look at that um later. And what that means is then I have those four categories. Then I’m spending less time sorting through my inbox and I can spend more of that time actually responding to the things that are actually the higher priority. So you can do this. Also for outlook, there’s a smart inbox feature that can support this. You can also set up filters um to route things to different in boxes. You can color code things based on who it’s from. For example. So if if your top priorities to respond to e mails from donors and to your your supervisor or the ceo of your organization, um you can flag those as a different color so that you can make sure that you’re always focusing on those things first. So there are many different ways you can do this. But the broader principle here is to um set up filters, Whatever system works for you in terms of filtering so that you’re spending less time mental and emotional energy processing email but actually being productive when it comes to the type of email that you’re receiving.

[01:08:14.27] spk_0:
Thank you. All right, thank you guys for going a little long again. I didn’t think of email until until Nico mentioned it, but so we went long. But so thank you for the graciousness being gracious around that. But I mean the stuff we talked about, you know, do not disturb night shift, night light news feed. Eradicate er stay focused, visual, ping auto responders copy dot ai vineyard loom bands, Euro fly cut copy queue multiple times. Well multiple time zones. Oh multiple time zones, World clock feature, right, what’s that business? Uh inbox pause and uh just being intentional filtering, filtering, filtering, filtering,

[01:08:18.97] spk_1:
filtering so

[01:08:29.27] spk_0:
Incredible. I was probably another hour and a half. Alright, they are, they are both both former board members of N 10. Jason Shim Director of Digital Path, digital strategy and transformation at pathways to education. Canada and Mexico market Whitlock the mindful techie, a speaker and trainer on mindfulness and technology, Jason Miko, Thank you so much. Thanks for sharing all this.

[01:08:48.07] spk_1:
Thank you for having us. Thanks

[01:08:49.59] spk_2:
for having us,

[01:09:46.77] spk_0:
absolute pleasure, loved it. Thank you. Next week We’re gonna have more from 22 NTCC asking for receiving and giving feedback if you missed any part of this week’s show. I Beseech you find it at tony-martignetti dot com responded by turning to communications pr and content for nonprofits. Your story is their mission turn hyphen two dot c o. Our creative producer is Claire Meyerhoff shows. Social media is by Susan Chavez. Marc Silverman is our Web guy and this music is by scott Stein. Thank you for that. Affirmation scotty. You’re with me next week for non proper. radio big nonprofit ideas for the The other 95% go out and be great. Mm hmm.

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[00:00:02.84] spk_1:
Hello

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and welcome to

[00:03:09.04] spk_1:
tony-martignetti non profit radio Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host of your favorite abdominal podcast. Oh, I’m glad you’re with me. I’d suffer the embarrassment of hydrogen itis security Eva if you rubbed me the wrong way with the idea that you missed this week’s show, Bitcoin and the future of fundraising. That’s the new book by ANn Connolly and Jason shim They share the potential in Cryptocurrency donations and explain simply how to get started private keys, public keys, wallets and exchanges. It’s time to learn what’s inevitably in your nonprofit’s future. I’m tony state too, Veterans Day, We’re sponsored by turn to communications pr and content for nonprofits. Your story is their mission turn hyphen two dot c o here is Bitcoin and the future of fundraising. It’s my pleasure to welcome co authors to nonprofit radio and Connolly is faculty at singularity University. She’s worked at Doctors without Borders and been a member of their board. As director of fundraising at Dignitas International. She set up one of the world’s first Bitcoin donation programs and is certified in strategic disruption from Harvard business school, Which sounds like a degree in anarchy. We’ll talk a little about what that what that’s about. She was named one of Canadian broadcasting corporations. 12 young leaders in changing. Canada and one of the 50 most inspirational women in technology in Canada. She’s at an underscore Connolly and welcoming back Jason shim he’s director of digital strategy and transformation at pathways to education. Canada his experience spans the nonprofit and academic sectors helping organizations stay ahead of the technology curve In 2013, he led pathways to become the first charity to issue tax receipts for Bitcoin donations. He’s an editor at ledger, a peer reviewed scholarly journal at the University of Pittsburgh Pit, publishing original research on Cryptocurrency and Blockchain technology. Jason is on the board of intend where amY sample ward, our listeners know her is Ceo and Jason is at Jason shim together they wrote the book Bitcoin and the future of fundraising. A beginner’s guide to crypto, crypto currency donations and welcome to non private radio Jason. Welcome back.

[00:03:12.14] spk_0:
Thank you so much.

[00:03:13.50] spk_2:
Thanks for having us.

[00:03:52.24] spk_1:
It’s a pleasure pleasure to have both of you. Uh and let’s start with you, the the Cryptocurrency is like a new technology like at one time the telephone and talking movies, right? Talkies and the T. V. And internet and cell phones. Uh these technologies all had their their naysayers and those who thought it was just a fad, you know, talking movies, those will never last. So what do we what do we say to folks who are naysayers. Uh thinking that Cryptocurrency maybe it’s just a fad or it’s too dangerous. How do we allay those concerns about this new technology,

[00:04:43.64] spk_0:
It’s very reasonable for people to be nervous about new technology. I mean I can remember my parents talking about the Internet back in, you know the early to late 90s and saying, you know anyone will be able to look up the recipe for a bomb like we need to stop this, this is dangerous. And you know, that’s true in today’s world, anyone probably could look up the recipe for a bomb, but no one would ever consider saying we should stop the Internet. It’s a bad thing for society. Um And I think that’s where we’re at with cryptocurrencies as people are still in that phase where they’re learning about maybe some of the scarier elements. Uh and they haven’t quite gotten to realizing just how powerful and incredible this technology is, both for themselves, but also for society and people around the world who might not have access to the same financial services that some of us do.

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Yeah, that’s a very interesting point. Uh let’s say a little more about how this can be liberalizing for a lot of folks, a lot of parts of the world where banking infrastructure is not something they take for common or, or financial infrastructure broader than just banking is not, is not something that they take for granted the way those of us in the, in the west do.

[00:05:43.04] spk_0:
Yeah, I think there’s two sides that really is for many of us in North America, we have easy access to banking services and um but even in the states, more than 25% of people are unbanked, they don’t have access to that. And when you look around the world, those rates are even worse and so many people just operate in a cash economy, it means they’re locked out of any sort of loan systems or being able to better themselves through more formal financial services and then there’s a whole set of countries where people can’t even trust their national currencies. So if you look at places like Argentina, Iraq Venezuela, sorry Iran where inflation is astronomical Even right now in Canada, inflation is more than 4.5%. But if you look at Venezuela in 2018, their inflation rate was hundreds of millions of

[00:06:08.39] spk_1:
was not more hundreds of millions or billions of percent. Yeah,

[00:06:53.04] spk_0:
it was wild. And so you know if you can imagine your life savings disappearing overnight simply because the government is printing too much money or isn’t a good custodian of the national financial system. That’s the reality for a lot of people. And so I think when I think about Bitcoin more than anything, it’s not. Its goal is not to replace national currencies. Its goal is to provide people with choice so that you know, if they’re really happy with the currency their government is providing, they can certainly use that. But if they don’t have access to it, they don’t have access to banks or they don’t trust their government to do a good job of managing their money. They have another option. And that’s what for me is so exciting is it’s this global permission list system where anybody can take part um and use it to fundamentally change their lives.

[00:07:10.44] spk_1:
So Jason is it is it as simple as just needing an internet connection for anyone in the world to to participate in in cryptocurrencies?

[00:07:12.44] spk_2:
Yeah, I mean that’s pretty much the foundational building block that you know, if you have access to an internet connection and you can download, you know, the uh you know, there’s a few different approaches of accepting Cryptocurrency. But yeah, it starts with an internet connection in terms of getting getting access to that that wider network for sure.

[00:08:05.44] spk_1:
Okay. Um uh the uh I did a quick search of just comparing the us and Canada and adoption rates are much higher in uh in Canada than than in the us. I found like 13% of Americans Have bought or traded Cryptocurrency but it’s it’s like 30% of Canadians. So much much wider adoption for our well for your country, for our neighbors here, for me, for our neighbors in the north, for for your country, for the two of you, any any explanation as to why it might be 30% in Canada vs just 13 in the us.

[00:08:09.94] spk_0:
I think what might be Oh sorry, go ahead.

[00:08:12.24] spk_2:
Go ahead. And

[00:08:12.63] spk_1:
I

[00:08:48.84] spk_0:
think what’s even more exciting really than comparing the United States and Canada is looking where it’s growing globally. You know, some of the greatest adoption rates are in places like Nigeria or South east Asia. Um and that’s really demonstrative of, you know, when you have locations that maybe aren’t providing the financial services that we have in north America, the rates are exploding um from a Canadian perspective, I know people are really keen to explore new technologies and we also have a massive immigrant population that wants to send money back home. Um so trying to find mechanisms that enabled them to do that without paying fees of 8-12% through Western Union. The coin is a really great option for a lot of those people.

[00:09:28.14] spk_1:
Mm hmm. Alright. Uh now and I was, I chose you but you didn’t answer. You didn’t answer the question. So I’m gonna try Jason although it was anarchist. Uh that is that the degree in anarchy. I knew it. Um what is what we call it? A strategic disruption. Alright. The anarchy degree or certification. So uh, Jason any, any, do you have any insight into why so much more widely adopted in Canada than the U. S. Not that what I said was not valuable. I, I appreciate what’s happening in *** et cetera. But I just wanted to bring it, I don’t want to try to bring back to to the north America here.

[00:12:01.94] spk_2:
Yeah. In terms of adoption rates like what I found over the years is that, you know, when, when tech companies in the past have been looking for like pilot areas that I, I know that Canada has stood out as being, you know, the place where, you know, um, initial kind of rollouts or pilots that have happened. So, you know, when I know that when, you know, folks are testing out like new apps, you know, for their organizations, it’s a multinational organization, it’ll tend like what I’ve observed is that it has tended to be uh tested in Canada first and I, I imagine, you know, that may reflect, you know, that it’s a fairly, you know, uh text avenue connected, you know, uh population, but also uh there were some hotspots for Cryptocurrency, you know, in its early days, I mean, ethereum was born out of Toronto battalion, peter in is, you know, Canadian the founder of ethereum and uh there there are several clusters in Canada that, you know, a lot of the initial developments encoding around, you know, Bitcoin and ethereum and subsequent projects uh I think really grew out of that. So I think what we’re seeing in terms of the increased adoption rates is an extension of that where uh you know, not unlike, you know, early silicon Valley where, you know, a lot of, you know, tech development happened there that, you know, for, I think the early 20 tens, um uh Toronto really served as kind of, that, that initial hub in those communities that really got engaged, so no surprise that, you know, subsequent, you know, companies emerged and uh, you know, adoption uh may have been a bit quicker here. Um, but you know, I think that we are seeing that definite dispersion where there are multiple uh you know, crypto hubs that have emerged in the last 10 years for sure. But yeah, I mean Canada is also a wide place of you know being able to send uh send payments um easily and by a practical example and this isn’t particular to Canada, you know specifically, but you know when when working in international context, you know, hearing from, you know developer contacts in the local community that when you’re considering paying developers overseas and all the options that available like Bitcoin is emerging as you know uh when uh when when speaking to folks about you know how they’re managing payments, you know, Bitcoin is often an easier way to pay um developers in other parts of the world than it is going through traditional payment mechanisms um because of that the lesson administration and at times even just the availability where you know trying to pay someone, we’re banking systems are limited, you know, as I mentioned earlier. Uh so I think all these things combined have contributed to higher um you know, Canadian adoption as you pointed out.

[00:12:39.04] spk_1:
Yeah, interesting. All right, thank you. Um so you mentioned ethereum or ether being the the second most popular Cryptocurrency behind Bitcoin, Jason was was Bitcoin originated in in the States or was that was that also in Canada? That’s uh interesting somewhere else. Well no, I’m sorry, it was another country, wasn’t it? Uh, Bitcoin,

[00:12:47.04] spk_2:
I location wise, I think it’d be best described as um kind of Bitcoin emerged online that, you know, to this day, the, the, the founder, founder or founders of Bitcoin. Um, you know, uh, so in terms of like a specific location, videos created, uh, you know, Bitcoin would have been online and then, you know, Ethiopia, many of the major players who are known were based out of Toronto.

[00:13:34.64] spk_1:
Right, okay, okay, that’s right. You say in the book that the founders of Bitcoin are still unknown to us. Right, okay. All right. Um, and with some trepidation go back to you. Uh, so since I made fun of this, tell me about what a certificate and strategic disruption is. What is that? I

[00:14:48.64] spk_0:
think the key element about it is it helps you develop a mindset about how to think about moving forward with your organization or your company, where you try to essentially disrupt yourself. And that’s why companies like Apple were so successful is, you know, they had a product and a product that worked, they could have just, you know, kept producing that same product for many years until some other company came by and beat them out and the company would go under, but instead of waiting for someone else to come out with a better product, like she said, hey, we’re going to actually cannibalize our own offering. We’re going to make a better product. So you know, we’re not going to just make the ipod, We’re now gonna make the iphone, Um, and our customers are gonna buy that instead. And so they were constantly creating new and imaginative things and changing the lives of their customers and so strategic destruction is really that. And you can apply the same type of mentality in the nonprofit sector and say, listen, you know, we’ve got a pretty good fundraising program. We’ve got major gifts that come in. We’ve got direct mail that goes out and um, we can sit here for 20 more years and raise money this way. But the nonprofits that are going to do the best in the long run are the ones that really look at their program and say, hey, let’s, let’s actually shake up the way that we’re doing things. Let’s try some really new and innovative stuff. Some of it will fail. Some of it will succeed spectacularly. And that’s actually gonna help us future proof the organization, um, and help us be, you know, essentially a stronger longer lasting organization moving forward.

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It’s time for a break. Turn to communications. Communications. It’s in their name. So they don’t only do the public relations and the media work that I’ve talked a lot about communications is so much more vast than that. So think about documents, documents you used to communicate case studies, your annual report, white papers turn to, can create these documents for you. They’ve got a journalism background, a writing background. They know how to understand your, your tone, your core messages and how to bring those out in your written documents. So you got this content that needs to be created and it’s not getting done. You need help think about turn to because your story is their mission there at turn hyphen two dot C. O. Now back to Bitcoin and the future of fundraising. Let’s uh, let’s, let’s bring it back to Cryptocurrency and north America. Give us give folks some motivation uh, in terms of raw numbers and potential growth. Uh, so we can help allay fears because you know, aside from it being a new technology, you know, lots of folks get the, uh, pay me $2500 in the US in Bitcoin or else I’ll release these bad things about you on the internet, you know, and I’ll share your contacts with their, you know, etcetera. So there’s some that contributes to some of the fears, these, uh, these um, uh, you know, email scams. So help help allay some fear with some hard numbers about where crypto is and where Bitcoin is maybe specifically and about the future.

[00:19:00.64] spk_0:
Yeah, I think the best numbers I can help relay are really numbers around donations that have already happened. And so you know, last year, the talent veteran who is the founder of ethereum, He gave a billion dollars to Covid relief, a billion with a b. So tell me about any other billion dollar donations that you heard about last year, you know, in any country around the world. And so, and that’s just, that’s, you know, it’s not the only one we had. The Pineapple Fund gave away $55 million borders Australia just got a $35 million dollar gift last week. Um, so the numbers that I really want to convey our, that, you know, there’s a community of crypto donors that are waiting to make these gifts that have just enormous amounts of money and a real passion for changing the world. That’s why they got into crypto because they want to make a difference. And so now they’ve got all this money and they’re trying to find organizations that they can actually give this money to. And right now that’s, that’s a challenge. Like right now there’s some incredible organizations accepting. But in order to find charities that are accepting crypto, most donors will google, they say which charities accept Cryptocurrency and then they pick one off the list. And so there’s this amazing opportunity for charities that are out there are nonprofits to actually uh, connect with this donor group that’s really being ignored by most of the community and really make deep relationships with them because they’re very different from traditional donor groups, how they like to give, what interests them, that type of thing. But the potential for their giving is just astronomical and the potential to create change together. Um, is what really gets me excited

[00:19:02.91] spk_1:
about cryptocurrencies

[00:19:04.01] spk_0:
in the space.

[00:19:30.44] spk_1:
Yeah. At the end of every chapter, you have a little call out box about a donation, a big number donation that was made in Cryptocurrency. Um, but yet the penetration rate, I think in the States, there’s only three or 4% of charities only are accepting, uh, Cryptocurrency donations. Uh, and some of them big ones that you name our United Way Red Cross. Do you want to, do you want to shout out a couple in, uh, in Canada that are accepting.

[00:20:58.14] spk_0:
Yeah, absolutely. I mean pathways to education of course, which is Jason’s organization was one of the first war child has been accepting for a long time. We have organizations like the Mississauga Food Bank, which is a, you know, a major site pita United Way up north as well as accepting. So it’s not the case that there aren’t, you know, well recognized organizations with good brands and, and that are well trusted. There are many names. Um, I think what sort of holding some organizations back is just, is education, You know, we’re at the stage where Bitcoin can be a little bit scary. Um, people don’t necessarily feel comfortable, They’re not sure whether it’s gonna be worth it. Um, and, and that’s really just a small hump to get over, you know, you can watch a lot of great videos online to learn about it. You can, you know, get the book that Jace and I put together, which is specifically written for fundraisers who don’t know anything about crypto and want to get started. Um, but more than anything, the best way to kind of get excited and start learning about cryptocurrencies and is just to buy some And you don’t have to go out and buy, you know, a $10,000 worth or anything just by a dollar’s worth of Bitcoin. Um, think of it as, you know, investing in evening of your time and learning something new and fun. Um, and that will really help you understand, you know, how it works, what it’s like, what you could do with it. Um, and uh, it’s a great way to get your foot in the door.

[00:21:29.44] spk_1:
Yeah, and Jason you in the book, you to recommend that as also establishing credibility with the crypto donor community is buying some, buying some on your own even before your organization has a, has a mechanism has set it up so that you’re not, you’re not just testing your, your own organizations, uh, infrastructure for accepting these gifts, we’ll get to that, but just buying and buying some on your own sounds like gives credibility to you, gives you credibility among the donor community

[00:23:52.64] spk_2:
for sure, and I think that many who are involved in the Cryptocurrency community, You know, I think it goes to really, how do you build that deeper relationship and have a conversation with folks that it’s it’s not just, you know, solely talking about, you know, the, you know, yes, there’s a donation part, but it’s also, you know, I think, you know, being able to speak knowledgeably about it, um, and, you know, as as people are involved in it and interested, you know, it, um, showing up in the communities as well. And I mean, that that that’s another kind of tactic that, you know, we do mentioned, you know, in the book and, you know, have seen used to to get the fact that, you know, if if you’re going to engage, you know, communities of donors that are very interested in, you know, something that they have self identified that, you know, before folks get into it. You know, folks typically, you know, do a lot of research and um, and you know, form, you know, uh, in person communities are online communities around it and just showing up in those spaces and being like, yeah, you know, I’m often, what I found over the years is that, you know, when participating in, you know, those Cryptocurrency spaces and everyone’s doing introductions, it was a few years before I was, you know, for a long time, you know, was the only charity in the space of reasons like, hi, you know, I work for a charity. So what brings you here and immediately there’s a way to connect over that and focus get really interesting. It was a few years before a second charity arrived. And you know, that was an indication to me that, you know that this was growing in awareness and such. But you know, I think that having that background of even having purchased a small amount, you know, gives that it gives that experience and credibility around, you know, it’s not just you know, saying, hey, you know, uh can you make a donation? Okay thanks, bye. It’s you know, how do you cultivate that longer term relationship where we’re part of something bigger here? Like there there’s um Cryptocurrency, you know, emerging as uh as a new asset class as a way to facilitate transactions that, you know, uh bigger, bigger possibilities. And in terms of, you know what we’re seeing with um uh with the ways that people are transacting, interacting, you know, uh, N. F. T. S around the corner. We haven’t touched on that yet, but it’s uh it gives more surface area for to connect with people on and you know, I think that, you know that one building a relationship, you know, having having more of those commonalities is also important.

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So, and mentioned the the fact that a lot of lot of crypto donors now are just Googling, you know, where can I make a crypto donation, but we wouldn’t expect that to continue as the penetration rate becomes higher among charities. Mean, so it is going to be building relationships and, and eventually it’ll become just another way of making a gift from folks that know, you, you know, like, like writing a check or transferring stock, eventually they’ll be the world will be just, you know, it won’t be, where do I make a donation by, through crypto?

[00:25:03.94] spk_0:
It’s no different really than, you know, when charity started adopting online donation platforms and, you know, website donation forms in the early days, there weren’t that many that had them and people wanted to use their credit card to donate online would have to figure out which charities made that possibility. But today, no charity would ever think of not having an online form. And so really it’s just, it’s just a timing thing, we’re just still in the early days and very exciting days. And because of that, there’s an incredible opportunity for the organizations that do get on on board early

[00:26:20.14] spk_2:
and, and, and to that point, like, I I think that, you know, when, when we think about, you know, early days when there were opportunities to donate online that, you know, I think there was a period in which organizations would have, you know, um competed on, you know, features that even just having the ability to accept credit cards online would have set you apart and, you know, as more people, you know, adopt online credit card payments, then you have to, um, you know, compete on a different kind of, uh, on like service provision. So, you know, the, the ease for which someone can make it right. And you know, I think we’re seeing that similar transition where, you know, right now, it’s still that, that phase where it’s like, okay, you know, does someone accept it? Yes or no? And that, you know, as that, um, as that number increases, then it’s going to be a different proposition where it’s like, alright, who, who does it with the most ease or who provides that additional added experience? That is, you know, absolutely fantastic. Um, and you know, as we look into, you know, how, um, how folks are engaging. Like, you know, it is there a future in which, you know, folks, you know, have some sort of representation on, you know, the Blockchain that’s like, you know, this certifies that, you know, you have donated to this organization or you know, you, you can unlock, you know, uh, different online, you know, possibilities, you know, through your donation that’s embedded on the Blockchain or opportunities like that. So, you know, I think that that’s kind of a possible feature that, you know, things can move in that direction as well.

[00:27:27.44] spk_1:
Jason, let’s make sure everybody understands the Blockchain. Uh, it took me a good amount of reading and many guests before you or well give myself a break a few guests before you. Maybe not many, uh, you understand what Blockchain is but it’s really it’s really something very simple once I once I once I understood it was simple but it took a little I’m trainable I guess I’m trainable. That that that’s the good news but uh you know so every every Cryptocurrency is on a Blockchain and you the book is a very good primer about all the, about the whole world of Cryptocurrency not just about Blockchain but I found your book to be a good primer use good analogies, I mean simple analogies that are easy to understand. So well let’s make sure everybody understands what a Blockchain is and and why each Cryptocurrency has its own Blockchain. Can you explain that Jason since you just mentioned Blockchain?

[00:29:06.64] spk_2:
Yeah yeah so so when we’re making a transaction you know there there is a record that has kept it and traditionally you know there may be like you know 11 record that is kept but what’s different about a Blockchain is that as a transaction happens on the network uh everyone who is participating in the network keeps a record of um of all the transactions that are happening. So you know the three of us right now that um you know uh tony Jason and that you know if I were to transfer Uh you know $5 you know worth of Bitcoin over to end That the record that has kept. You know imagine all three of us scribbling that because we we witnessed that happening. And so, you know, it’s between, you know, uh someone could claim it’s like, oh you didn’t actually give and you know $5 you gave her three and be like, no, no, wait a minute. Like you had seen that transaction, you had written it down. And so that is kind of a really basic explanation of, you know, what, how the Blockchain operates except instead of three people, imagine that with 30,000 people or more like, you know, just every single person who’s participating, the network keeps their own, you know, extremely detailed ledger of everything that is happening within the network and that that’s, you know, in part what keeps it secure that instead of trusting, you know, one single party that, you know, could, you know, alter, you know, those those records. It’s like you you have the collective that, you know, everyone sees everything that’s happening simultaneously in electronic format.

[00:29:45.94] spk_1:
And you to explain in the book why that’s enormously secure, secure from, from hacking from financial fraud and theft, uh, secure from mistakes. So, you know, listeners, you gotta get the book to get to go into the depth of the security of of the Blockchain. Um All right, so let’s let’s let’s start getting into the nitty gritty of of how to and can you start us off with, I think it’s important to explain what the keys are, the private key and a public key and then we’re going to get into how folks get their own are going to buy and maybe sell their own Cryptocurrency but you started off with the keys and.

[00:31:25.64] spk_0:
Yeah no problem. So if you think about your wallet um that you have in your purse or your back pocket and you store your cash in their Bitcoin uses something called the wallet as well. Um And it’s where you store your Bitcoin but it’s digital. Now if you think about your house, every house has a public address so 123 any street and you can give that address to anybody in the world they can send you a letter. They can you know show up and look in the windows but they can’t actually open the door to your house and take any of your stuff. And so your Bitcoin wallet also has a public address. And what you can do with that public address is give it to anyone that you know wants to send you money and they can send you money and it gets deposited into your wallet. But your wallet also has something called a private key and it’s kind of like the key to the front door of your house. And so if you give that key to anybody um they can open the front door of your house. They can come in and take all your furniture and all your electronics and whether they’re legally allowed to or not they can do it And the same sort of thing applies to your wallet’s private key if you give them that private key, anybody can then open up your wallet, take your Bitcoin and there’s really no recourse. And so, um, essentially what that means is you want to always keep your private key safe, always keep your private key backed up in a number of secure locations. Um, and what’s really nice about that is if you ever have any issues with your wallet, like let’s say you lose your phone or you know, something happens where the company making the wall, it goes under and you’re suddenly like, where’s my money? As long as you have your private key, you will always have access to your money. And so that’s what’s really amazing about it versus say if your bank went under, you might not have access to your money ever again. If Paypal froze your account, you wouldn’t be able to access your money with Bitcoin. As long as you have your private key, you always have access to your money.

[00:33:39.24] spk_1:
Okay. And again, as I said, the book, such simple analogies that the public key is like your address and the private key is like your house key very very, very comprehensible. It’s time for Tony’s take two veterans Day was last week and I was remiss in my show planning for last week’s show. So I don’t want to let it go. Unmentioned. I’m grateful. I’m thankful. I thank the many millions of people who have served our country in the military and also my gratitude to families who have lost folks because of their military service families that made that sacrifice and the military members themselves, that made those sacrifices. I’m thankful to those people as well. And if there’s someone in your family who died in the military, died supporting and defending our nation, I thank you. I had my own service. I was in the Air Force uh Military services is a calling and I I admire those who continue to answer that call. That call to to service duty to our country. Thank you. Thank you. Mhm. That is tony stick to Veterans Day. We’ve got boo koo but loads more time for Bitcoin and the future of fundraising and you know, you want to continue. It seems to me like the next step is, or the way you lay it out is the next step is getting a wallet.

[00:34:00.54] spk_0:
Yeah, so there’s lots of different ways to get a wallet. Um There’s most, the most easiest ways just get download a mobile wallet on your phone. Um There’s ones on the web as well and there’s a number of different companies out there now. Um

[00:34:01.66] spk_1:
and just explain what the wallet is for.

[00:35:27.24] spk_0:
Oh yeah, the wall is just restoring your Cryptocurrency, that’s it. So it’s kind of like the wallet you’ve got in your purse or in your back pocket. Um it’s just where you keep your crypto and it enables you to send it to other people. So if you have like Venmo or something like that, it feels a bit like Venmo um you just open it up and you can send your Bitcoin to someone else. The difference is there’s just no centralized company behind it, the way there is with Venmo or Paypal, um so you know, there’s a number of different wallet companies out there, some of them will enable you to hold on to your private key. Like Blockchain dot com is one example of a wallet that I use, that enables you to hold on to your private key. Many of you probably heard of coin base coin base is a little bit different because they actually hold on to your private keys. So it’s probably less secure from that perspective because it’s always good to have your key, but if you’re afraid of losing your key, coin base is probably a good option for you. Um So once you pick the wallet, you download it onto your phone um and then you can use an exchange to actually buy Cryptocurrency. So typically you would either connect your bank account or use a credit card um and just trade some of your usd or eur Canadian dollars for us northern folks and they’ll give you something corny return kind of the same way, like if you were going on vacation to Mexico, you would take your usd to an exchange booth at the airport and they would just trade you some usd for mexican pesos here. You’re going to get usd and get some Bitcoin back.

[00:35:34.14] spk_1:
So and if it’s a, if it’s a wallet like coin base, you said they hold your private key, you can also hold your private key. I mean like they can’t have it and you have it.

[00:36:17.53] spk_0:
No, because at the end of the day it’s like your house key. You know, if two people have a copy of the house key and all of a sudden the contents of the house are gone. Who stole them? You don’t know, you fundamentally need to have, you know, one person that, that’s responsible for the contents of the wallet and that’s either gonna be you as an individual or the company will take on that responsibility for you. Which has its pros and cons. Um, and so yeah, for a lot of people that’s, that’s a huge plus having someone else manage that responsibility for um, others in the crypto space. It’s really important for them to manage and own their own money.

[00:36:22.73] spk_1:
Can you name any other of the more popular wallets you mentioned Bitcoin dot com coin base

[00:36:29.96] spk_0:
coin bays bread wallet. Um, there’s electra. Um, there’s Jason. What other ones can you throw in there?

[00:36:37.93] spk_2:
I think that that, that covered off all the big ones, the

[00:36:47.23] spk_0:
metal pay exodus. Yeah, there’s, there’s a number a number of different options out there for folks to choose from these days, which is great.

[00:36:52.57] spk_1:
Okay. And it’s just a matter of googling right. What what are the top 10 wallets or what what’s a wallet for my, is it is it country specific? Do you need a wallet that works in your country, Jason?

[00:37:21.43] spk_2:
No, it’s uh it’s pretty cross border. So you know the song is that you can download it from uh you know, your respective app store and it works, you know, just uh you know, making sure that you’re finding a reputable wallet that you know has solid reviews and but you know, there’s uh no country specificity aside from, you know, uh if it is attached to a certain provider, a company that accepts a certain currency. So I know that there are some wallets um on the international side that are particular for um deposits, that you know, if uh if you want to deposit in a certain currency, then that may be the only kind of particular about it. But otherwise, you know, it’s pretty uh pretty universal.

[00:38:08.22] spk_1:
Okay? You make the security point in the book about not keeping your private key on your phone. But you both have mentioned the phone and using a phone app, but you’re supposed to just write your private key down and keep it somewhere secure. Like uh I get like a safe deposit box or something.

[00:38:44.82] spk_0:
Yeah, safe deposit box is a great spot safe in your house somewhere where you’re keeping really important documents. The way to think about it is you know that key will fundamentally open access to all the money in your wallet. So if you had $500 in cash where would you store that? Would you store it in your desk drawer? Would you store it in your bedside table? Probably not. You probably store it somewhere a little more secure. So based on how much money you have in your wallet, that’s sort of where you want to think about storing your private key if it’s 20 bucks, yeah, maybe put it in your desk if it’s $100,000 you definitely don’t want to leave that lying around.

[00:38:48.12] spk_1:
Um And Jason can you say a little more about exchanges?

[00:40:30.41] spk_2:
Yeah. So in terms of exchanges um you know we talked earlier about, you know while it’s exchanges are where the many of the transactions are around the world, you know take place. And really that it functions you know similar to regular kind of currency exchange or a stock market exchange where you know there’s it establishes a market where there you know those buyers and sellers and so you know um uh as I mentioned earlier, you know if you’re looking to exchange something like us dollars for you know. Bitcoin that um you know you’re you’re usually gonna be working with an exchange in order to uh to do that and on exchanges, you know, depending on on the exchange. You know, they may list a whole bunch of um different currencies, cryptocurrencies, you know, uh So you know, they may list in U. S. Dollars, you know, Canadian dollars, you know, Bitcoin ethereum, you know, if folks are looking at things like, you know, dodge coin um uh and it’s going quite quite extensive. I mean, you know, some of the larger ones are definitely, you know, listing uh many many different cryptocurrencies. Um but you know, if those who are looking for like, you know, the major ones that you don’t have emerged, you know, primarily, you know, Bitcoin in theory. I mean those are pretty standard almost across all exchanges these days. And uh they they the exchanges are really the mechanisms for which um you know, as a release back to two nonprofits that uh you know, after someone does make a donation of of Cryptocurrency um you know, having that exchange, you know, connection or um and some providers, you know, have that baked into their uh their services. That’s how you convert the Cryptocurrency back into, you know, a currency that the uh charity can use, you know, so if you s you know, how do you get that big pointed us dollars, you know, you’ll you’ll be working through an exchange in order to convert that so you can deposit into your bank account as well,

[00:41:05.61] spk_1:
Jason, let’s make something explicit because you know, when we’re recording Bitcoin a single Bitcoin is around $55,000 roughly a single ether is around $3500. Let’s make explicit that you don’t have to spend $55,000 if you want to participate in the in in buying some Bitcoin.

[00:41:08.31] spk_2:
No, absolutely not. So you know the uh it goes up to eight decimal places and I think that that’s something that is uh that’s helpful to to be aware of. So you know it is possible to buy like you know 0.00000 won worth of Bitcoin or ethereum. So um you know they’re uh definitely do not have to participate entire Bitcoin or entire. Either in order to participate in the in the ecosystem.

[00:42:15.20] spk_1:
Okay. And so you have in the title of your book you you you you you say Bitcoin but non profits could be accepting any of the any of the coins that you mentioned. But does it become so when you when you stray from Bitcoin and ether which are the two most popular, are you are you taking a greater risk if you get into like stellar and you mentioned dodge coin and by finance does it become riskier for for you personally if you’re doing your your experimental purchase and your credibility building purchases or or for your non profit if you’re accepting those other less popular like all the old coins.

[00:44:43.99] spk_2:
Mm it’s similar to I would say like you know in kind donations or stock donations that charities would ordinarily receive. And so you know, I think that when considering Cryptocurrency donations, like the vast majority of them are being transacted in Bitcoin followed by either in that order. However, when looking at all the coins, you know, what’s worth kind of thinking about is you know, imagine a prospective donor who you know may have, you know, picked up Dodge coin when it was valued at 0.0001, you know, sense and held onto it. And you know, now I think the last I checked it was like 26/27. And so you know what with regards to risk, I think it’s more helpful to assess like, you know what what’s the conversation that’s being had. You know, is someone approaching your organization with, you know, uh a donation was like, hey I like to contribute, you know, 100 $100,000 worth of dodge coin. You know, generally speaking, I would hope that, you know, a charity that is approached with that kind of um offer. You know, it’s okay, let’s, you know, let’s find an exchange that that will, you know, help us convert, you know that that amount of dodge coin, you know, into uh into U. S. Dollars to allow us to to accept it. And and so um, you know, I think it really depends on the audience. Um and so you know I think that’s what drove some of the early adoption where, you know, as Bitcoin started, you know, rising in price, you know, more offers of donations were emerging and you know, I think that you will see, um, you know, similarly with the old coins that are out there that, you know, definitely for folks who have gotten in early on some of the old coins and you know, um, it, I think it still remains to be seen which ones will, will take off. You know, we’ve already seen, you know, the emergency, you know, Bitcoin and ether. But you know, five years from now. You know, who, who knows, you know what, maybe up there. And so, um, what I have observed is that many of the exchanges are responding accordingly as well. So as as a, uh, all coins or other cryptocurrencies are taking off. You know, they get added to exchanges, which does make it easier and simpler for, um, for organizations to uh, to exchange and transact in that. So, um, you know, there, there have, there have been instances actually of folks donating, uh, you know, all queens, I think dodge coin, you know, definitely has a lot of fun stories about how, uh, how supporters have, uh, have donated their, um, their, their rapidly rising uh, currency.

[00:45:49.99] spk_1:
Yeah. Because you know, like you’re saying dodge coin, someone could have bought it for uh, tens of thousands of a penny. And at one point, I think it went up to like 60 cents or 65 cents in value. So if someone had spent like $100 or even a foul, all the more of 200 or 500 or $1000 buying millions of shares and then the price went up to 60 cents. You know, they’ve got, they’ve got a lot of money in dodge coin all of a sudden and if they then converted it to dollars Canadian or us, uh, they’ve got a lot of money potentially to give. And, and the, the book points out a lot of folks who are very, very generous with their, with their Cryptocurrency windfalls,

[00:46:34.98] spk_0:
Jason correct me if I’m getting the numbers wrong, but if something approximately where if you had, you know, invested $100 in ether at its launch, you’d have over a million dollars today for $2 million dollars today. Like it didn’t take a lot at the beginning. If you were really passionate about this project, you put a little bit of money in um, to suddenly have this astronomical wealth that would be almost impossible to generate in any other way in our society. And so it’s, it’s really what you end up getting is fairly ordinary people, you know, that came from ordinary means that that now have this wealth that, you know, they’re not interested in buying gold plated sneakers, you know, they want to create change and that’s where the nonprofit sector can really help them do that.

[00:47:23.18] spk_1:
And let’s stay with you and move to the organizational level Now. Let’s talk something about getting, getting buy in uh, in the book. You make the point that you’re not even sure the board should be approving this, they shouldn’t be involved. It’s more like, should we start accepting credit cards? You know? Uh, so it’s more um, asking for support rather than permission. But let’s talk about, you know, Ceo by in or maybe vice president of development by in uh, what are some of the reasons you might you as a crypto advocate in your organization? Might might start putting forward for why your organization should get into this. So

[00:49:16.07] spk_0:
the reason that I used when I was convincing my Ceo back in 2014 was I said, look, you know, it’s really what we can do is accept it, we can sell it immediately. There’s no fluctuation, there’s no currency risk, anything like that. And fundamentally that’s no different than accepting a stock. Like we already accept stocks and other securities. So if we do exactly the same treatment as we do with stocks, there’s really no risk to the organization and I think this day and age, there’s no brand risk, there’s, there’s no another stigma that used to exist around Bitcoin is really not there anymore. We’re seeing it adopted by not only charities, but major organizations and companies Microsoft, IBM, all kinds of different companies are heavily involved in cryptocurrencies. So I think that’s, that’s the key one is saying, okay, we already do this with another volatile asset on the stock market. Here’s another opportunity where we can essentially bring in A whole new set of young donors. And I think that’s probably my favorite argument for Cryptocurrency is most of the donors and most of that community are between the ages of 24 and 40. Um, and so if you’re really looking to bring on a whole new set of the younger generation of donors, this is a great way to do it. And you won’t be cannibalizing any of your other activities. You’ll have this whole new set of donors with no risk. Um, and for any organization that fundamentally says, hey, we want to be innovative. We want to be new here is a great way that you can do that. That is not only exciting and innovative, but it’s also a revenue driver. And so it’s pretty hard to say no to something where you say, okay, you know, we’re gonna, we’re gonna give this a try. It’s going to cost us essentially nothing to set up. We can set it up over the course of the week. There’s no risk and it might make us some money and bring in new donors to me. That’s an absolute hell, yes.

[00:49:56.87] spk_1:
Okay. There was like four or 5 very good reasons why, you know innovate, prepare for the future, expose yourself to do constituents. Uh, it’s becoming mainstream. There’s no stigma. Um, and and help you raise more money just in a different format. Um, let’s just make explicit. And is it is it your your recommendation that non profits would sell their their Cryptocurrency right away as you would with stock or what, what is your recommendation for? What to do with a crypto currency gift once you have received it,

[00:51:17.86] spk_0:
I wouldn’t recommend it. But that’s my risk tolerance. And so what’s really most important is to look at, like, what is the risk tolerance of your organization? You know, And I think, um, every organization should really sit down and say, okay, how much cash do we have on the balance sheet? You know, how much money do we have every year to play with? And what percentage of that Are we willing to put in a high risk investment? So maybe we decide that as an organization, we want 99% of our money that we raised to be there at the end of the year, and that’s totally fine. Um, but take that 1% and hold it in a Cryptocurrency and see what happens. Um, and say, look, this is a microscopic risk that we’re going to take for the potential upside of making a lot of money. Um, or maybe your organization might be a little more risk friendly. You say, look, we’re gonna we’re gonna have safe, secure investments or just keep our money in cash for 75% of what we bring in 10% we’re going to put in, you know, uh index funds with the stock market and the rest, we’re going to put in Cryptocurrency something a little bit higher risk, like I think really at the end of the day it’s not so much, you know, should you sell it or not, it’s how much of your portfolio are you putting in high risk versus low risk assets? And I think the thing to keep in mind this day and age is with inflation, where it is putting your money in cash is not safe, You’re losing money every year by holding that money in cash. So if you’re trying to maintain the amount of money that you have by the end of the year, you need to be doing something with it. So is that something high risk, low risk, what percentage is it? Um That’s up to the organization to decide. But I would really recommend that every organization actually take a critical look at what they’re doing with their money um and reserve at least a tiny portion of that to take a look at holding cryptocurrencies for the longer term.

[00:51:49.66] spk_1:
And the reason you say you’re losing money if you’re holding cash is because of inflation.

[00:51:53.89] spk_0:
Absolutely, yeah,

[00:51:55.76] spk_1:
Jason anything you want to add to the organizational policy.

[00:52:00.85] spk_2:
Yeah, I think from just looking over a trend lines, you know to the point that that and made about risk, it’s you know really aligning overall organizational strategy with what organizations looking to achieve and how you know their asset holdings maybe um may reflect that and that their risk tolerance and I think when looking at trends like it was as early as I believe it was 2014 at the time that Canada was looking at digital currency programs and you know, although that program at the time that it was called the mentorship program, you know didn’t proceed, you know uh

[00:52:32.83] spk_1:
I’m sorry Jason who would you say was looking

[00:53:11.45] spk_2:
at? I’m sorry the Canadian government or the Bank of Canada was looking at a program called the uh the mint chip program and that was really a Canadian digital currency that was being explored. But now there’s been a resurgence I think just in the past week, you know the G seven group of nations you know agreed upon, you know a set of standards to examine, you know digital currency. So I think when looking at, you know overall trends, you know digital currencies and cryptocurrencies are not if but it’s a when and you know for organizations are preparing for the future, strategically it’s it’s really you know do are by by participating in the ecosystems. Now you’re especially future proofing organization for that future which is going to come of, you know as governments are seriously looking at digital currencies that the same principles that govern you know, how do you treat you know, cryptocurrencies that this is all going in the digital direction and you know that much is evident. And so, um, it’s more of a timing consideration now. It’s, you know, would you like to do it now or later? It’s

[00:54:24.84] spk_1:
coming right. It’s it’s not, it’s not if, but when I think that’s a terrific place to wrap up. You know, there’s, there’s a lot more in the book. There are checklists for how you set this up at your organization. But I wanted to focus on the basics a person venturing into this because with the statistics that that I mentioned, so there’s still 87% of Americans are not involved in crypto and still 70% of Canadians are not involved in crypto. So I want to, I want to overcome that and then move to the organization level. And as I said, the book is a very good primer, lots of easy to understand analogies. The book is Bitcoin and the future of fundraising. A beginner’s guide to Cryptocurrency donations. The co authors are an Connolly at an underscore Connolly and Jason shim at Jason Shim and Jason, thank you very, very much.

[00:54:32.94] spk_0:
Thank you so much, appreciate it.

[00:54:34.68] spk_2:
Thanks tony

[00:55:08.54] spk_1:
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