Jake Grinsted, Leah Kopperman, Kai Williams & Medha Nanal: Manage Your Programs With A CRM The right CRM can help you run day-to-day program operations: track client relationships and outcomes; host trainings; manage certifications; organize transportation; and more. Our panel was recorded at 19NTC and they’re Jake Grinsted from Simply 360; Leah Kopperman with Keshet; Kai Williams at The International Wildlife Rehabilitation Council; and Medha Nanal from Top Cloud Consulting.
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The Rite CR M can help you run day to day program operations, track client relationships and outcomes. Host training’s manage certifications, organized transportation and Maur. Our panel was recorded at 19 NTC and there, Jake Grinstead from simply 3 60 Leah kopperman with Cash, Chi Williams at the International Wildlife Rehabilitation Council and Meta Channel from Top Cloud Consulting and Co. Learning for Your Programs. This 19 ntcdinosaur encourages you to look at a more collaborative training culture, which pushes the bounds of Who is the educator. They’re Deborah askanase at Oracle Met Sweet the Sheik, A. Phillips with Tech Soup, NGO Source and Kevin Martin from J. Camp 1 80 on Tony’s Take two Living Trusts Responsive by Wagner, C. P A is guiding you beyond the numbers. Regular cps dot com By koegler Mountain Software Denali Fund Is there complete accounting solution made for non-profits tony dot m a slash Cougar Mountain for a free 60 day trial and by turned to communications, PR and content for non-profits, your story is their mission turned hyphen to DOT CEO. I feel so much better. Burden off my shoulders here is manage your programs with a C. R M. Welcome to Tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of 19 and T. C. You know that it’s the 2019 non-profit Technology Conference. You know that we’re coming to you from the convention center in Portland, Oregon. What you don’t know is that I am now with Jake Grinstead, Leah kopperman, Chi Williams and Meta Channel, and their seminar topic is not just for fund-raising anymore. Managing programs With C R M zsystems You also know that all of our 19 NTC interviews are brought to you by our partners at ActBlue Free fund-raising Tools to help non-profits make an impact. Let’s meet the panel. They are again Jake Grinstead. He’s founder of simply 3 60 Leah kopperman, director of data and C. R. M at Kesha Chi Williams is the executive director at the International Wildlife Rehabilitation Council, and methanol is seated furthest from me. And she’s the principal at Top Cloud Consulting. Welcome. Happy to be here. Have all four of you. It’s a big panel, but way can accommodate Absolutely. Thank you. So I’m not sure is this is this, uh, let’s start down at the end with the metal. Is this is emerging, or is Am I just not aware that your C R M database can be used to manage programs? You’re welcome to say that I’m just not aware. Yeah. So it has been around for a while, but definitely in the nonprofit world, it is an emerging awareness that it can be used for a program metoo management. Okay. And what, Metta, Let’s stay with you. What do we need to have in place so that we can do this way? Just need us, C r m databases that it, or are there other things we need to have? No. So you have to have the right kind of serum because not all CR ends in the market right now are capable of supporting program data. So you need to have right tools and write features in the Sierra system to support this. Okay, Right kind of cr M. Okay. Uh, so we’ll come back to that because we have 1/2 an hour together. Um uh, let’s see. Hey, why don’t you sort of give us Ah, a headline and a lead? Uh, that anything more? You could say that to introduce us to this. Yeah, I think that while using serums for program management and it’s itself not new, it’s much more broadly recognized. My organization, I felt like even just four years ago, Coming on working on ours for five years ago, people were like, That’s Syrians are for fund-raising. And I’m like, No, this makes sense. This is how it’s gonna work for us. And I had this vision and I was able to find the people that work with, but it wasn’t a conversation anyone else was having. And now I go into a session and everybody’s like, Let’s talk about program management. So are you a pioneer or early adopter? Early A doctor. I think the pioneers were way before me. All right, All right. Leo, what’s the advantage of doing this? Well, I wanted to also remarked that the organization that I’m with Kesha we’ve been using C r. M to manage our program since 2012. So we were really early adopter Warren earlier. You weren’t. You sure you want a pioneer? Why can’t I personally wasn’t I was not with Kesha and 2012 with the organization. I would I would say so. Yeah, I think so. Okay. That’s not a scientific survey statement. It’s just got gut instinct. Think so? Okay. Yeah. Um, Lee also credits herself with being That makes it sound like nobody else believes it. I believe I do believe it. Teaching me how to sign a sign up for a Twitter. He had a start. My account on Twitter. Now we have Susan Chavez is my mind that the show and my company’s works from works as our social manager. But she was not the social manager in 20. We’re not sure where this 2014 or 15. We’ll have to look at what it will say. Joined. Right? Right. My name’s has joined it, I’m sure was maybe Susan can tell us. Okay, maybe she’ll look, I know it was not 16. I know. I’ve been on longer than 16. Okay. Uh, okay. And, uh, Jake, what’s the advantage to doing this? What? Why? Why? Why not just do it Separate different management for our programs? Sure. I think there are a few advantages of having a serum for non-profits programs, and one of them is allowing for more time for your program staff to really focus on what they do best. Focus on their passion, focus on why they were hired, and that’s to actually manage the programs that they have. So having a non-profit serum allows you to cut some of the administrative overhead that doing doing this type of work with multiple different systems, maybe on paper, maybe an excel, maybe in different databases. By bringing that together, you make it a lot simpler and cut down on that time. But what if the comparison is with ANAP location? That’s that’s designed for program management versus managing your program through the C. R. M? So I would argue that if it program is designed to manage your sorry if application is designed to manage the programs, it quite well might be a program crn that’s probably see around. We should probably back-up is giving you Siara here, Jake Constituent Relationship management. So it’s any application that helps manage the relationship that your organization has with your constituents and your constituents might be the people you serve in the fund-raising world. Obviously, it’s the donors and the people who help support you. But in the programme world, it’s those the people that are involved in your mission might be volunteers. It might be the people use serve. It might be others involved with whatever your mission is. All right. All right. So So since I got I gotta go, Leo. Because with grand grand, I’m sorry. I gotta go to Chi because of the grand theatrics that you gave Jake, I have to go back to you. So what are we? Wait, What are we talking about? Are we not talking about, Like, salesforce and razors edge yet for program management, right? We are we talking about Exactly. I would say that Razor’s edge doesn’t really support program blackbaud other blackbaud tools. D’oh! We’re talking about service. We are talking about a fund-raising C r m being used for a, uh, just just a c r M serum that theorems air, not natively just for fund-raising. Those xero ends there for any constituent management, although some are designed very much for fund-raising like Razor’s edge. But sales force. And that’s the reason my order, when we were doing all of our evaluations of many serums, they were out there in 2013. We ended up choosing that one because it was more of a platform that we could use for program management, Um, versus something that was just set up for fund-raising. But CR rims are for everything. I would argue that if you did not have a program cr em, you’re probably using sheets of paper or spreadsheets. That’s really the alternative. Okay. Okay. Well, that’s exactly what medicine to you have to have the right kind of cr m. Yes. Yeah, it’s time for a break, but, uh, Sam didn’t tell me. Now he did. Wagner CPS. They’ve got a free webinar on August 21st Fair labor standards act nuts, bolts and updates. Now, today is August 16th. So the odds of anyone listening live or archive, which means anybody, because that’s only two ways you can listen, if you could just say theon of anybody listening doesn’t matter. Live our archive. You’re wasting syllables here, Thea. 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We’re continuing, of course, with Jake Grinstead, Leah kopperman, Chi Williams and methanol talking about managing your programs with Sierra. One of the fundamental differences is that in fund-raising CR M in fund-raising world, right, The kind of fund-raising data that every organization maintains is fairly typical. So whereas for programs, that is a huge where I d And so your CNN system needs to be able to store and manage all those different kinds of data, that’s a prerequisite to be used as programs. Okay, Okay. Uh, so you were just backing up a little asking about, like, different kinds of Syrians. I’ve certainly worked in social service agencies where in the past they’ve had what’s called a case management system and that really is what the social service frontline staff would use to manage the clients that they work with. So that’s really very parallel Thio, the kind of idea that we’re talking about a program management system and the advantage of not having a separate program management system and a separate fund-raising system is often there’s overlap between who your constituents are, and somebody who participated in one of your programs may very well end up becoming a donor or somebody who participate. Somebody who’s a donor may become a volunteer, and if you’re managing your volunteer program and you’re managing your client base through the same system, then you have up to date information and email addresses. Postal address is interests, etcetera, and so you can use it both for the client and and for the fund-raising. All right, so I think I’m trainable here. But let’s make sure so you can have a generic C R M that will manage fund-raising and Andi program operations trainable. I would take this a step further and say, In addition to what Leo just said, your program crn might often be very helpful to your development. Your fund-raising department. There are so many times where your fund-raising team are going to need to ask the program team for certain statistics and reports and data about the programs that they run because they’re gonna need that for their grants and etcetera to do their fund-raising. And so if the data is in the same place. If everyone’s using the same tool, the same crn the development staff would be able to have access directly to the reports and the information about the programs that are being run without having to tie up program staff. Time to actually pull those that information separately. That’s another advantage of bringing those things together and what xero. OK, OK, in your program description. Have you done your program already? You have your on the downside. It’s great. Okay, um, nobody came with a glass of wine in the bar is open, even my drink. Okay, Jake, that is not water. I guess that’s vodka. Leah has a metal bottles. We don’t know what’s in that. Two women down the oak. That is already finished. I think I That’s Jim, not water. Alright, So good. I’m glad I’m not hindering the fun and excitement part of social part of 19 nineties E for any of you. Okay, so in your program, in your session description, you take off a whole bunch of things that can be run through a c. R. M. Tracking client relationships and outcomes run training’s manage certifications, organized transportation. Is it worth taking through. Is there enough to say about each of these about how the C R M should can be used to do each of those things? Or is that too much in the weeds? The way that we handled the panel was each of the four of us did like a case study, where we talkto sort of soup to nuts how we use our serum to manage one particular thing. I don’t think there’s enough time here to run through, but that that is how we handled it in case studies. My brief. I don’t know if you’ve got a little example of how shit uses when it might be helpful for sure so way. But we can. We could do brief examples. So you each have a different CR M doing something different. Yeah, because because all the organizations that we are working with or at our do different mission and Jake you’re the consultant here. No, I actually 36 from the founders simply for 60 were actually creating a C. R. M that is designed for programs. That’s why we started something for 60. I work from non-profit where we found it frustrating that we couldn’t find a good program. Cr m. And so with that organization I actually started and founded simply 3 60 to do that to fill that need. Okay, so in the session, I actually talks about one of our founding clients s O, That I use that as a case study and represented them talking about how having a program crn for them has been so helpful thing. American Camp Association of New York and New Jersey. Okay, Okay, I’m willing I’m willing to hear the case is from each of you, But you realize that we don’t have 75 minutes. So So I know on dhe. I appreciate that you aren’t all nodding, is it? But what happens when you start talking? You get into your stage hit, and all of a sudden you’re three minutes. Story becomes 12 minutes, and then we’re out of luck. So I have to cut off everybody else, and everybody will be pissed off at you. And they’ll wonder why they didn’t go to the drinks instead of coming here. Should have drinks. Why? I waste my time here because they didn’t get to tell the story. So everybody gets, uh, okay, so we’re 13 minutes. We’ll make this the longer sessions as 27 figure. We spent a minute bantering, so we’ll go to 28 which is about 15 divided by four. I’m impressed with math, but I haven’t finished it yet. 15 divided by four is less than four. It’s like three minutes and 1/2. So everybody gets about three and 1/2 minutes. I’m gonna I’m gonna try my best. All right? So everybody gets three minutes and 30 seconds on Duh. At the three minute mark, I’m gonna let you know that you only have 30 seconds left and we’re gonna hold you to this s o I since I feel bad. That meta is sitting at the end doesn’t have a devoted Mike. And I feel second bad for, um, for Kai, who also is has to share my So let’s start at the end. With Metta, you have three and 1/2 minutes to tell the story at, um top cloudgood. The top cloud consulting shared in the Okay. Get closer to the study of one of the clients I work with. The organization worked in the areas of health and wellness. They programs such as individual and group therapy for physical humans on wellness programs. So before I started working with them, they were managing their data. Alden spreadsheets. It was spread all throughout the organization with all the program teams. Every time that the team’s wanted to pull any kind of report, they were pulling that out of individual spreadsheets and manually formatting into the desert former and that was taking them days. Thio create a report. So number one it was a giant waste of organizations. Resource is on number two. Everybody knew that pulling the report was like pulling teeth, so they were not even using reports as much as they should. So after we moved there, they tied to the Syrian system. The reports were quick, instant, instantly available up to date, not for five days old on the organization started using reports as a feature much more frequently because it was available so much more easily. That’s so concisely I didn’t get to give you a warning. Uh, you’re here a little more You want to say Okay, tell our stories, and maybe, maybe maybe maybe the host will develop some questions. You black lackluster. Who’s No? No, you still get your three minutes? You still get your three? What? I say three and 1/2 actually. Three minute warning. He’s cutting it down, so I don’t know, You know, meta exceed XL, but you could be You’re welcome to be lackluster. Please. OK, eso I work with the International Wildlife Rehabilitation Council. We provide training and resource is on wildlife rehabilitation. We have membership. We have classes, we have certification. We have a practicum. We use our serum to manage all that often. It’s the same people doing all of that. And then maybe they have an extra $5 they’re helping us out with the $5. Or maybe they’re volunteering for us. So we get to see all of that before we have C R. M. We had an old system and we actually lose data. Wait, hold on. I’m sorry, Amy. Sabat Ward, Stop distracting the guest on top of radio. You had your chance. You had your shot. Just distracted CEO of intent is distracting, distracting Leah and J everybody making this wave on camera. All right, I’ll spot you an extra 15 2nd All right? Yeah. So before we had our modern serum. We were losing data like we have a registration that would get lost because the system in between one server and the computer, it would just disappear. So we have people showing up for classes and we have no record of them. Really. A lot of issues with trust, all sorts of problems. So with the modern serum were able Thio one have everything in one place. I know to trust our data. We haven’t come directly from our website into our system. We’re able to track our measure, tracked measurements, assessment of how the students are doing, how they’re engaging with us. It’s It’s quite an interesting set up, Andi, I guess I want to mention one interesting thing we found as we talk about our case studies because they’re all very different. You know, I’m contracting with hosts and doing sending certificates to students and all the stuff that happens in between there. But we found this similar framework. We are all even though our products are very different. The steps we need to go to are very similar and so we’re hoping to kind of create some data models for other non-profits to dues to be ableto have program management CR ems. And how are you? How are you collecting that? Well, I’m working with a couple of different groups on that, but user user studies just people. It’s really just people like the four of us getting together and walking through these scenarios and saying, Oh, okay. This flows into this, which is this, and this is always an assessment piece. Even if you might not call it assessment. This is your registration, your enrollment, something that sort. This is your program piece. Oh, this might be an add on. If you have a case management your assessment might be Did they find a resolution? But there’s these really core similarities, and so I’m excited to see where that goes. Okay, I appreciate that. You actually did accept my admonition. Thio keep things concise. Haven’t given a three minute warning yet. Okay, now, Leo, don’t blow it, okay? I’ll do my best. Really? Okay, so So it kiss it. We air the LGBT Q Jewish organization in the US, where national and focus on our mission Shin is too have full inclusion of LGBT Q Jews in Jewish life and one of our programs that we do is where we train the leaders of Jewish organizations to have more inclusive environments for sorry for Jews who are participating. And it’s not the water over the vodka. So we that we do in sort of regional programs and we do a year long program, say, in Chicago, where the Jewish Community Center and the bunch of synagogues and the, uh, I don’t know if there’s a Jewish community foundation. Whatever the Jewish organizations are in the area, they all commit to this year long program and we offer them training and help them set goals to make their organizations more inclusive. And we provide them with coaching services over the course of the year and the way that our Sierra Miss and then at the end of the year, they you know, sort of report back to us through a survey about, uh, how they felt about being participants. And so the way that we manage that program with our serum and we happened to use sales force is that we way use existing data in the sales force. Instance toe understand what communities might be the next ones to offer a program in right Well, look, we’ll see. OK, we have enough people, maybe in Cincinnati, that maybe that’s the next community. Well, where will offer a program? And then we can do marketing using that C R M to the all the Jewish professionals working in Cincinnati and and advertise the program and reach out and say, We’re going to be running this and will you enroll? Then we have a sign up process where organizations will sign up and add the that information about their organizations baseline measures of where their organization is at in terms of Do they have gender neutral bathrooms? Do they have a new LGBT clue of LGBT affirmative group in their community? Do they have a bullying policy? You know, all these different kinds of measures. We asked them up front when they fill out the form and they tell us where they are, is a baseline. And then they, during the program, set a bunch of goals. Those all their goals go into our serum and then our coach has access to all those goals and works with them over the course of the year. Two. Help them reach those goals. All those girls also populate a dashboard that we have in the serum, that our executive leadership can look at any time and see 80% of the current leadership project. Participants are you know, they have started on 40% of their goals. They are still waiting to start on 10 and they so we can see they can see the progress without having to ask anybody. That’s just there in the dashboard. And our fund-raising team can also use that to make a case to a donor because it’s just right there in front of them. They can log in any time and do that so and then at the end they do a survey and we and we find out one of the things we want to do is change mind set, openness, three minute warning, okay. And we want to change the mindset of the participating organizations. So we asked them at the end did they see new opportunities for LGBT inclusion in their communities. And one of our measures is what percentage of organizations reported that and we have about 80% of our participants reporting that they did see new opportunities for inclusion. So it’s been very successful all right, Jake. So yes. So one of my founding clients, the American Camp Association of New York and New Jersey. They are an affiliation of summer camps in the United States, and their mission is to help in rich lives through the camp experience. So they help train camp staff. They help parents figure out which camps to send their children to and just generally promote the can’t summer camp experience in United States. Um and so I want to touch on another potential benefit of a program serum that we haven’t been touched on already. But we haven’t properly articulated yet, which is the benefit that it can give to constituents themselves. So the people who are actually benefiting from the program can really benefit from their organization having a program xero. And I’m gonna give you an example of how at the American Camp Association of New York and New Jersey, they have this amazing program. This wonderful lady there named Rene, who is in charge of helping parents find the right summer camp for their children. And she works oftentimes one on one with parents to help them find the camp. It would be good for them and so what we were able to do once we had all of the camp, all the member camps that are affiliated with this organization into a program. Crn we were able to start exposing that information on their website directly and gave parents a chance to go to the website, fill out a form as to what their children might be interested in. You know how long the camp should be, How much it should cost nb be able to actually search for summer camps right there on because they had now this one see Iran, where all of their camps were together. They could trust that the information that was e-giving that was being given out on the website would be accurate to these parents. So then parents could actually indicate that they were interested in the camp camps, then had a member’s portal through the sea Iran that they could log into on dhe. Then camps could see which parents had indicated their interest. They could also now register for training events. They could basically take advantage of all the benefits that the was giving them. So by using simply 3 60 in this case, they were actually able to give both their member camps and the parents that they served better access to their own information to the information is in the system and better serve them with the programs that they have. Can anybody else site benefits to the those they’re serving constitutent people themselves? Well, maybe not people, but the environment. The what? I like Jakes. He didn’t say it, but he has one aboutthe texting. Oh, sure. So another organization I’ve worked with has they run programs for kids, toe, get kids out into the countryside for the summertime incredible organization on. And they they have bus loads of children that get on the buses at the Port Authority. But you work for me, work for any schools, or is this all play time for this is this is a thing. So what happened is I was in college in London and I found, became a counselor to summer camp, and that was it. Camp was like the rest of my life. I was obsessed with this. So this organization runs five summer camps, and the kid’s got on buses. They went out to the countryside, but then, when the buses came home There was often this situation where parents might be late to pick up their children or they didn’t know exactly when the buses would arrive. Maybe the buses would come early. And so, by using a program, Sierra and we suddenly had this ability to send out mass text messages. Two parents, as the buses were sort of a narrow waves. Often, arroway whatever and say, Hey, just so you know, your child’s on their way home, Can’t wait to see you. Please make sure your at this place at this time and that we hadn’t even anticipated that this could be something we could do with a program. Xero. So what we actually talked about in our in our session was this idea that there are sometimes these unexpected benefits as well on dhe. This was a great one for us. Yeah, you’ve been You’ve been listening for a while. You have a question, But you have a question you like to ask. Oh, okay. You know what? I’m gonna shut you out. What’s your name? Joanne. Joint. Crabtree joined Crabtree from Washington from Washington non-profits in Vancouver, Washington State of Washington. So Joanne missed a session not just for fund-raising anymore managing programs with the arm zsystems and came here to listen to this. 30 minutes, 30 minutes. Short version. Thank you, Joanne. Thank you very much. Check out non-profit radio. We have way. Have lots of good panels. Not This isn’t the only one we do lots of good stuff. Thank you, Joanne. Okay, Um, we just have Yeah, okay. Anybody else want to shout out? Ah, a constituent benefit. Because I think that we’re here for the people or the environment or the animals. We’re, you know, we’re serving anybody else Want to shout out a constituent benefit, but has to be in, like, 30 seconds? Okay, Get much closer in one of the organizations that I worked with the program data and fund-raising data was separated on the program. Later was once we combined the two systems and brought the program later into the CIA room along with the fund-raising data, it’s suddenly help. The organization will stop, get along with each other much better, because previously, there was a lot of this manual data exchange between the two teams and the teens were frustrated, like concentrated, questing and not receiving the data that they want benefit not only to the recipients, but to the provider’s as well. All right, we got to leave it there. Thank you so much. Thanks, Tony. Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. Thank you’re welcome. They are Jake Grinstead, founder of simply 3 60 Leah kopperman, director of data. And see our Emmett Cash Guy Williams, executive director of the International Wildlife Rehabilitation Council. And Mitya Nadal, principal at Top Cloud Consulting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being with Tony martignetti non-profit Radio coverage of 19 NTC. Thank you, Joanne. Joanne Crawford. Thank you. 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All of our 19 ntcdinosaur views are brought to you by our partners at ActBlue Free fund-raising Tools to help non-profits make an impact with me Now our Deborah askanase, Latika Phillips and Kevin Martin. Seated next to me is Debra. She’s the social impact manager for capacity building programs at Oracle. That Sweet Shikha is a program manager at NGO Source and grantmaker. Success four. NGO Source and grantmaker maker Success at Tech Soup, NGO Source and Kevin Martone is technology program manager at Jay Camp 1 80 a program of the Harold Grinspoon Foundation that was the longest I’m out of breath already with dellaccio sources into Kevin is a program, but he’s not the foundation, but he’s a program Oracle Met Suites. Two words. I’m exhausted already. Introductions. OK, your program topic was Reinvigorate your programs through multi directional learning. Let’s start with down the end. Kevin Martin, Please let’s define our terms. What are we talking about? This multi directional learning? Great. So Avery jargon e-giving drug in jail on non-profit radio. It will get the three of you out of jail in our session. We definitely We started pretty early explaining what that actually meant. So Okay, so I’m not the only one I know So So, um, really, the the session in this topic is really about his, you know, Traditionally, sessions are one way there’s someone on stage, whether it’s a lecture or in a webinar or some other training’s environment, who all the knowledge is going from that person who’s the expert to the audience. The learner, right? So multi directional is. I’m not assuming that that person has all the knowledge in the room that instead you’re embracing the fact that everyone in a training program has knowledge and expertise. And so you have learning from learning toe Lerner, Lerner, the teacher and teachers. So it’s all different direction, really, So So can I expect to pay less for conferences in the future. And I’m part of the training staff. I should be Compton right Free hotel E. Get free airfare. Compton. That would be good. I’m teaching. I’m in the audience, so it’s still hard work. It’s hard work. Thio create facilitated session that does multi directional, But I’m in the audience. I gotta work hard too. I should be to learning more my voice just alright, theoretical. I’m learning more. All right. Um, Jessica, why don’t you help us? Uh, bring us into the topic little bit. Give it like a headline in the lead. So why we needed this session? Well, we definitely needed the session. I think that it’s time to begin the show organizations how how to turn traditional events into something that is Maur engaging something on opportunity for everyone to contribute to these different solutions. And I was needed for organizations non-profit or for-profit. But I was as to be a part of it because I attended two different multidirectional events through next week. Oracle build a thon events of four NGO sores and in that in those opportunities for me because they were multidirectional and because it wasn’t just someone just giving me information. Given my team information for us to download and and to turn around and apply, I was actually with a team of people I was learning at the same time they were learning, and my goal throughout this whole process was to basically eliminate the time or decrease the time living in time. But decrease the time that I was spending on a billing for NGO source. And when I started this process, it took me over 30 hours a month. So process building for our team. And because of the multi directional opportunities with nets with Oracle, I’ve been able to get down my building process to less than 10 hours. Now, had I been in just a one on one session with another person, it probably would have taken me a lot longer to get to where I am now. But we had we working in teams, and so we’re all learning we were all contributing to this process. So that’s how that’s how I see it working. And I think that if we begin to we non-profits begins to look at what we’re considering. Traditional events, for instance, Webinars and think of ways that how we can actually turn those upside down to have Maur engagement to have more involvement from everyone. One. Okay, Debra, um, this sounds to me like anarchy. Why not? Why not gonna be a free for all? Well, trouble, trouble. It always sounds like gold, but it isn’t. The session was designed with the belief that everybody in the room has the answers. Right. So you walk into whatever you’re designing, whatever programmer event you’re designing with this theory that at the end of it, everyone’s experience is so much more enriched because his answers aren’t coming from the quote unquote experts. They’re coming from the people who are also doing the work out in the field or living the experience. And they have just as much validity with what they have to share as others. So a good facilitator. You have more of a facility, Kevin. Kevin was getting to this. You have more of a facilitator than a presenter. There can be some presentation elements. Like a good facilitator has figured out how to make the experience a shared facilitated latto next-gen facilitate these. I have facilitated you. Have you facilitated or just attend? Have Kevin Martin still three facilitators here? Well, as well as attendees in Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I’m focused on. Yeah, one step at a time. I know. I just stands multiple. We all can learn from each other and you multi directional. All right, is co learning the Is that just a synonym for multi directional or is co learning something different? Anybody? I would say it’s elearning. It’s similar. Um, so yeah. All right, so we’re expanding the idea of who’s the present? We’re gonna learn from elearning elearning for everybody. Um, the advantages. I made them clear. We all have something to contribute. Not only the person on the lectern, but we all Okay, so should we talk about how to organize your next staff training? That’s so so that so that it can be co directional slash multi directional slash red, amber green. Kind of learning. I don’t know what traffic lights. No way. Like our next staff training. So I remember our wedding too small and midsize non-profits. That could be just two people. They’re called learning all the time, but let’s say it’s university. Some Let’s colleges, universities, hospitals call mid size. They’re doing lots of staff trainings. They have faculty meetings. They have dr meetings. They have, uh, other provider meetings. Learnings. Training’s right in service. We can We can use this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. At our session, we actually have people to read is I’m just nothing. All right. Even though I suppose the, uh but all right, I’m stuck in the old model like I’m a dinosaur. I mean, an anachronism. Um, the person at the I’m gonna put in health care setting. But the person on stage has her master’s degree in nursing degree. She has a master’s degree in nursing. She’s got an MBA, and staff is all you know. They’re the B s ends and the R ends. No masters degrees. We still should not all be learning from the person with the MBA and the Russian downstage. And we should also be we not all should be learning from the person with the MBA and the master degree in nursing. Doesn’t she have the most into a part in the room where we’re just all a bunch of B s ends and our ends? I would say that well, number one, there is still a place for the traditional, right? There’s gonna be times where somebody is the expert who’s coming in, and the goal of that session is to get their knowledge to other people. But in the example that you just gave, those are ends who were in the crowd they have experienced in the field. And so some of that experience might be helpful to add to what the expert is saying may potentially in more theory, where’s they have more on the ground experience so they can share that with each other and with the presenter. And like never says that enriches everyone’s now the thing that was a bad example. Also that ahead of the training right, there’s this belief. The expert often has the belief of what the people in the audience want to learn. And so there’s work ahead of the training, with Cole earning as well where you can ask people. Well, what would you like to be happening in the training? And what would you like to get out of the training? And I believe that’s a piece of it, too. That’s multidirectional where that their their direction is coming from their audience. Okay, okay, let’s start with Jessica because it’s been a while since you got a chance, Doc. So we’re going to set up this staff in service training? Um, let’s keep it in the health care vicinity. What we wear. Deborah’s just saying lead. There’s lead time preparation time. How do we get started setting up our next staff training this way? Um, great question. And we did talk about this in our session I raised for I feel like for great points. Okay, They were they were not ego problem. It’s good thing we stuck you in the middle. So s so to get started. My recommendation was the number one. It’s the first of all. Think of the roadblocks. What roadblocks do you think? Well, actually, let me if I can rewind just a bit, I’d say that the number one step would be to discuss what is the goal? What is the overall world coming together? What is what do we want to get out of this? Okay. And then from from that, then start to think about what are some of the roadblocks that would actually hinder us from turning this traditional event into a multi directional. What are some potential role blocks? And then I said that we need to think about the time, the time. That is gonna the time that is going to take for this to happen. What are the time restrictions for this? What time needs to be invested in the beginning? Because I know. And for me, when I participated in the opportunities with Oracle Net suite, there was so much time invested into our team beforehand. I mean, at least 10 hours, and so that’s something to think about. You know? Are you willing to invest that time and then distributing that, distributing those responsibilities? And then I say that we need to think about what are some of the disadvantages actually of flipping and event, because there could be, You know, as Kevin said, there is definitely still a place for those traditional events. So we have to think about that. And then, of course, what are some of the advantages? So I think once you map out those four things in addition to the goal, I think that’s definitely a great a great start. So in the instance where we are having a you said, that’s a staff meeting and we’re gonna have something. So then again identify what is the goal? What are we trying to learn? And then, I think, identify people within the community who have some experience in that they may not be an expert, so to speak, but they have a lot of experience, and so I think that that’s also helpful. And then there. I think that it’s also helpful to have people who may not necessarily have hands on experience, but they do have some knowledge of what we’re talking about, because then they also have, uh, some, you know, they’re able to make some type of contribution. Okay. Okay. Uh, Debra, what are what are some of the potential roadblocks that mentioned might exist? Thio Converting your training thio, multi directional, multi directional multidirectional. Debating what the training is, of course, will be different road blocks ahead of time. There’s the time that you put into it by redesigning, rethinking, getting out of your space that you’re used to thinking about. I think that’s hard. It’s also it can be challenging to get buy-in from your organization for this new kind of not only just programming event, think about like a fundraiser that you’re having. How would you incorporate it multidirectional in that If there’s a near some training element of that, it can be challenging to get some buy-in. The other roadblocks that ah, that could happen is so you have the multi directional training and it turns out the other directions are not so interested in contributing right. What happens then? I think that that’s very real. That has never actually been my experience Does That has never actually happened. But you do have sometimes less participation than you would desire. For example, time for our last break turn to communications, PR and content for your non-profit. They help you tell your compelling stories and get media attention on those stories, as well as build support for your work for your mission. They do media relations, content marketing, communications and marketing strategy and branding strategy. There a turn hyphen to dot CEO. Finally, a sponsor message that was uneventful. Chase got butt loads more time for Cole earning for your programs. I want it. Well, I’m gonna go to Kevin and I want to talk about some of the crew’s some of the advantages of doing this aside from what we’ve already identified a few times, everybody learning from everybody else. And there’s so many different perspectives in the audience, and we bring all those perspectives in What are there other psycho social advantages that we haven’t talked about? Whatever. I mean, I would say things you just talked about are the main advantages. But I know those are off the table. Yeah, so for in terms of our attentions fan, I think I know leaving a lot of sessions and helping with managing conference conferences. Phones come out pretty early in a lecture. And so, by having these multi directional options where you stop speaking from the stage and you give everybody option the top talk and share it gets them back engaged in the energy level gets up often in the session. That seems to be the other big. Yeah, I could see different voices. I mean, I know when I speak, I have not done go learning, of course. Not sure that I ever will. But big ego ego problems, you know, But, um, irrespective. So what I’ve done so far, You know, I noticed attention perks up when I start asking questions. I started asking, and I don’t I don’t like to leave questions till the end. I take questions. So I guess I should say, When I start accepting questions, people start raising their hands. There’s different voice, you know? Said, Let’s start popping up the other. The other half of the audience wakes up, you know, I’ve got results to speak of it. That was funny. Labbate would have to sleep off the street. Nobody, nobody, nobody Just take it seriously. I probably I could see I think that is true. I could see that. At least they weren’t using their phones way. You know, I just point I do see voices or, you know, people broke up with other voices are heard throughout the room in questions. Yes. We’re gonna mention think about the traditional weapon off. Right. And you were right. And you can see your analytics. Where, like, Oh, look at all these people. They’re not Actually. Live your weapon on what you can’t say. You can see. So if you can think of turning the webinar upside down dafs multidirectional learning, I suspect the engagement will go away. Okay. Okay. Um, time limits time. Need other Latika. Talk about that. Okay, let’s let’s go to That’s our preparation. So where do we go now? It’s a day off. Are we in day of way. You know what? There was one thing some, uh mentioned pulling. You talk about pulling in advance, finding not only what you want to learn, but whether whether people will participate, can you? Let’s talk about how do you find out whether people will actually participate? So you don’t end up one U unit directional when it’s you intended go. Directional defendant Multi direct depends on what it is for the build with on events that we run, for example, we make it really clear. First of all, we assign a team captain on the net sweet side. And then we assign a point of contact on the non-profit side. And we say at the end of this event, you will have to present not the employees but the actual non-profit customers so that they present their learnings to the other customers and we sort of designed the day. So there are no surprises. It’s really clear this is what’s going to happen if you’re participating in it. And so I think you complain. I mean it that way, where everybody walks in with a showed expectation of what’s gonna happen. Okay, Okay. I was envisioning an event that’s different where it’s not all everybody presents at the end. But we’re the role learning from each other during Kevin run by an event like that can happen. Okay, How do you make sure that audience members are gonna participate in the way I just described? I think I mean, it’s well liked. Ever said it’s definitely part of its preparation. So like there’s actually a book called The Art of Gathering by Preah Parker. And she talks about the meeting or the training or whatever the gathering is. Starts as soon as you invite someone and yours should be spending time preparing them to let them know So, for example, there’s a there’s a communications training that I do. And in one of the first communications I have with any of those participants, I asked them to send a photo of themselves. And I’m very clear. I’m saying, when we do webinars when that photo shows up, that means you have to speak. And so it’s like you’re gonna get called on. And so it’s sort of prepping them to say It’s not just me talking. You have to be ready. T share your experience. And so there’s little steps like that you could do in advance to just prime them for when they get there that they’re gonna be speaking and not just listening. Okay, Okay, what do you do? Anything. Anything different in terms of preparing the audience? E. I think that it’s also good to identify everyone’s role. So if we are looking at the model that we’ve talked about teacher, teacher, the Lerner, Lerner, the teacher and learn it’s a learner. But even within that, I think that rolls should be defined for day of plain that a little bit. So when we participated in the build a thon, it was very important for us. Well, for me, toe have a note taker. There was so much information being exchanged, and it was just impossible to gather information to retain it and also apply it all at the same time. So there was one person that we designated to be one that was actually documentation. So that way, when we leave, we have steps. We have everything documented for the future and to move forward. And I also think that it’s important to identify who is actually going to be. If it’s if it’s an event set up where you can actually begin to apply and move forward with action steps at that time, that I think it’s important to have who is going to be that person? Luckily, we were able during the building down to actually go live with a lot of the different things that we were building, you know, we didn’t have to wait for testing. We were able to go live with that. But it was important to identify who was gonna be that person. Also, to identify who’s going to be in charge of accountability and follow-up. Because once we leave here, then then what happened? So it’s important to know what the next steps are. And did this actually work? Was this really beneficial? And it’s hard to really? Well, I was going to say it’s hard to tell day of for me. I I knew at that that day of the building time that this was very beneficial for my team. I just knew it. But you actually really see the results weeks and months after the fact. So the follow-up is very important. So just identifying rolls and who’s doing what, even though we’re all learning and we all have the answers. But then how else are we contributing here? All right, all right. So we go to a day off now. Okay. Let you go. Stay with you. What? What is this? What does it look like? Day off is It’s like this is the room, like, start with the room. Is it set up the same way with a traditional seminars. Yes, it set up the same way it could actually be set up in and broken off into groups that I don’t really think that there is a right or wrong way to set up something like that. I think that if it is set up in a traditional, for instance, classroom style or meeting south, I think that you can also even incorporated a workshop section where people actually kind of break off. So I think that that’s fine. I don’t think that the way that this set up is that Okay, that was a question. Well, it was interesting to me. I’m a newcomer. Yeah. In our session, they were in the traditional meeting style set up. And when we asked them to do some of the breakout work, right, the co learning, we thought we said, Turn to the person next to you. We said sorry. Away from the like, turn to the person next to you. And instead they all said, Well, can we just get up in form groups based on what we want to talk about? And they did. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, anarchy way. Well, let’s just go with it. Well, yeah. Community wants it. We’re supposed to hold it. It’s supposed to be supposed to be learner, too. What did you say? Audience to learn a teacher. I was wondering if you’d said no. You lose all your bona, fide, all your credibility Credibility. Yeah. No, it was so much fun, to be honest, I don’t know. I’m lecturing. We’re doing it my way. Um, okay. What else? What else do you want to go, Debra Day of? Tell me about what they have. Looks like we still got a few more minutes. Why don’t you want to give me a model? Work with her? You wouldn’t listen. General Health care. Mom, Your healthcare mind your model. Our nurses, nurses training day on on infection prevention, post surgery. So a couple of key pieces start with sending expectations. Make sure you have different voices the day off, and then make sure that there’s time built in for the teacher. Loner, loner, loner, loner, teacher. Right. So if you start with setting the expectations that setting up the room at the beginning, what’s gonna happen is structured time now, as Lucia was describing. But is it always where there’s structured time for the cold learning or you can’t just raise your hand and say, I have a point that I had used my downstage hand again. I have a point that, uh, that I want to make to the group. It doesn’t work like that. I think that’s informal elearning if you want to set it up for sort of formalized elearning that I do think we need some structure. Okay, Yeah. And so once you set up the day and then perhaps you’ve set the stage for what is actually gonna happen. So maybe there is a little bit of a training for 15 minutes. In the beginning, that’s like, this is the information you have to know. And then and then the important pieces. Well, how are you going to take that and add to it by the goodness of the intelligence of the people in the audience? And you have to build. You have to bake that in in some way, whether it’s an activity and there’s lots of great books on, like how to plan these kinds of activities where people learn from each other, um, or whether it’s an ideation exercise right and people spitball ideas. And then they turn to each other and talk about them. And then they iterated again, whatever it is. So that’s their learning from each other. And then at the end of the day, there has to be some way in which the learning is consolidated. So there’s the learning, Frito, that happens, happen stance in different groups. But then they have to learn from each other. Like, how did the groups each develop? And how did they exchange of information with each other? So you have to You just have to organize it. Facilitated is there Is there a resource that you gave out or that we can refer people to their white paper? Awesome, Reese. Okay, what is it? Tell us. Where can we find I? Actually, the first name that I can’t That was the multi multi directional bingo card. Okay, I know. It’s just basically a It’s a chart. And we, um we list 88 different traditional events, and then we have every every dynamic teacher to learn a learn a teacher Lerner, Lerner and so in the chart, the goal was to have the participants took him. Plead how feels different exchanges are happening for each one of these different traditional events. And so, yeah, we do wear working. Listeners find that it’s on. It’s in the collaborative, knows that it is in the collaborative notes. So you go to end 10 dot or GE go to the euro in the 19 multi-channel half, and then you know you’re well, we’re in 1980 CEO, and then your your session hash tag is multi path. Okay? And that’s where this resource is. That bingo card called a bingo card anymore. It doesn’t look like you find only because we were using that as our as our game as I workshop piece help the because depends to begin to start rebuilding their events. All right, we’re gonna leave it there. We’ve identified the resource. We’ve defined what the anarchy looks like. So I encourage you do not have the ego that I have and actually attempt this. Try this because we can all learn from each other. You couldn’t learn from each other. There wouldn’t be podcasts. That’s what much Give your altro out your outro. Deborah askanase, seated next to me is social impact Manager for capacity building programs. at Oracle Net. Sweet Machiko Phillips, his program manager for NGO source and grantmaker success at Tech Soup, NGO Source and Kevin Martin is the technology program manager for Jay Camp 1 80 which is a program of the Harold Grinspoon Foundation. Thank you so much, Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks to you for being with Tony martignetti non-profit Radio coverage of 19 NTC. 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Kevin Martone, Debra Askanase & Rene Swink:Training Choices
Our panel from the 2016 Nonprofit Technology Conference reveals best practices for training: goals; who participates; successful formats; and working within culture. They also have suggestions for technology and leave you with resources. They are Kevin Martone, from the Harold Grinspoon Foundation; Debra Askanase, Community Organizer 2.0; and Rene Swink with Exceptional Children’s Assistance Center (ECAC).
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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on your aptly named host oh, i’m glad you’re with me. I’d come down with a case of bourelly aosis if you infected me with the notion that you missed today’s show training choices, our panel from the twenty sixteen non-profit technology conference reveals best practices for training goals who participates, successful formats and working within organization culture. They also have suggestions for technology and leave you with three sources. They are kevin martin from the harold grinspoon foundation. Deborah askanase, community organizer two point oh and renee swink with exceptional children’s assistance center and two q sixteen fund-raising results. How did second quarter fund-raising go and what’s changed in the full year forecast since january? Atlas of giving has the data and ceo rob mitchell shares at all. Rob is with me at the end of each quarter for analysis. I’m tony steak too three hundredth show next week, we’re sponsored by pursuing full service fund-raising data driven and technology enabled, you’ll raise more money pursuant dot com here is the panel, kevin martone, deborah askanase and renee swink from ntcdinosaur lier. This year welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of sixteen ntc non-profit technology conference this is also part of ntc conversations. We’re in san jose, california, at the convention center. My guests are kevin martone, deborah askanase and renee swink. We will meet them very shortly. Right now i have tio take a moment to acknowledge and recognize the swag item for this interview which is from charity dynamics. You have a combination is very well done. Combination sunscreen and lip balm. So you either apply it with this roller on your lips or you take this off and it’s ah it’s a sunscreen applicator that’s a combined and then if those to fail you then cherry dynamics has alot in travel size it’s, hard to get i have never seen alot in travel size so i’m taking this one home with me and this joins our our our swag pile for the day oh, that’s! What? That is it’s. Impressive phone. All right. Okay. Let’s, meet let’s. Meet the panel here. Kevin martone is kevin is the technology program manager for a harold grinspoon foundation. Seated in the middle is debra askanase she’s founder and digital engagement strategist. At community organizer two point oh, and renee swink is technical assistance coordinator at kevin deborah rene. Welcome, thank you, thank you, thank you, non-profit radio pleasure. All right, your session topic was the future of capacity building is collaborative, learning communities, collaborative and cohorts. Okay, so we’re ah, we’re applying. Our learning models are learning model our best process to these different structures, these distant, collaborative structures that right. Okay, i agree with that way. Well, my thanks to rene for explain that to me before that. Before that, like, i turned down because i was a little trouble with the description, but i got it. So why don’t we talk first about what a successful training process is? And then we’ll talk about the different. Form of formats that we can fit into. So makes sense. All right. Makes pretty professional trainers. Is that right? Are you asleep? Part of our in-kind department. Full time job. Okay, your bona fide hyre. Okay. Well, let’s, start with deborah askanase because i’ve known you the longest. Thanks. So what do you think the essential elements are of training? And how do you how do you do it? Best at community organizer two point zero. So there’s a couple of elements that are really important to think about the first thing when you’re designing a training is thinking about the goals. You always start with the goals. What is it that is going to increase capacity and help people to get there to increase their capacity? Because that’s, the whole point of training, and renee khun speak very eloquently about that pay goals goal. Then you think about who needs to be at the table so many times training so designed in the right people aren’t at the table and it’s really important based on your goals. What? What segment of your audience should be there? What segment of your participants does management need to be at the table. Do board members need to be at the table? It’s not a the third thing that you want to think about our learning elements. So how do people learn? And what elements do you want to bring into that so that they can best? What do that mean? Learning elements? Little jargon. E? You know, he’s, john, you know i have jargon. I want them ahead of time. I said, yeah, he’s real big on joining. Well, yeah. You warn you warn them and you’re the one who’s in it. Okay, you know what? The learning elements? What does that mean? So that’s thinking about? Well, when you take any kind of training or you goto workshop procession, you leave and you think, oh, i really learned because these pieces were part of it. So it’s often it’s, participatory, it’s, collaborative there’s, some sort of exercise where you integrated in there’s pierre, learning that takes place and there’s actually a few. If you take our slides, which are in the collaborative notes, you’ll see we kind of list out you could choose what we’re gonna work best for your session that will meet your goals. And then finally, after you thinking aboutthe learning elements then you think about okay who’s, the student and who’s the teacher here. Is it something where it’s going to be best done by pierre learning where there’s no official trainer, facilitator. But we all learn from each other’s expertise or there’s somebody who facilitates with some co learning from the students? This is the format now we’re talking about right? So you think about who’s the student who’s the teacher, a piece of it, and then finally think about and this is really important, something we came to when we were designing this the cultural elements so many times we designed trainings and we don’t think about what’s the culture of the organization, who it’s being the training is being created for and what’s the culture of the people who are attending the training, and all of us have stories about what happens when you don’t understand the culture or how you bring the culture in that’s so important and we actually have culture cards will come will come to those i i’m happy to pass it on the other side. Okay, now. So we just have about twenty five point six minutes together. So and you had at ninety minutes and plus, on top of all the top of the model, uh, we have to talk about our different formats. Communities, collaborative sze and cohorts, right? Of course. I appreciate that because i like a liberation jargon jail. Uh, i send live listener love on every show i do podcast pleasantries for our podcast ten thousand podcast listeners i do affiliate affections for the am and fm stations that are part of the show. I’ve told you. Take to sew a pattern kevin’s going to kill me if i don’t mention there’s also technical stuff to think about like how did you use technology to do the training? Alright way. But that’s like last let’s say we could get teo let’s. Let’s take on each of these elements. But we have to do it a little quicker than you did it in the ninety minute session. All right, so you deferred to rene for goals. So, rene, what about think about goals in training? Well, yeah. I mean, you always want to think about what is it? What is it you want to accomplish? But you also need to look at where our people are with their present levels, what is it? They don’t know? Because if you go in thinking, oh, i think everybody needs to learn this, and if you’re not really aware of what’s going on in your audience, they may go way already know that so we just wasted your time. So really looking at that what you’re running and we really want to increase people’s knowledge, their skills and ultimately they go out and end up doing it, and so they become active learners and active doers. So how do we be good at assessing with the goals ought to be so we’re not we’re not over the heads of the audience, nor are we telling them things that they’ve already learned they already know well, you know, when ideally it’s great. If you are able teo non-profit radio, we deal with the rto so we’ll deal with the ideal and unlimited budgets, right? Exactly. So really it’s great is if you khun survey people ahead of time, do a needs assessment. Really? Hopefully you have a relationship with your audience and you can do that. But even when all of that happens a lot of times, you just have to be really flexible and be able to pivot and kind of go and asking those questions, okay, who’s in the room, and if you have surprised people, you can go oops, we’re going to adjust, we pivoted during ourselves, way did. Okay, okay, you’re tuned to non-profit radio. Tony martignetti also hosts a podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy fund-raising fundamentals is a quick ten minute burst of fund-raising insights published once a month. Tony’s guests are expert in crowdfunding, mobile giving event fund-raising direct mail and donor cultivation. Really all the fund-raising issues that make you wonder, am i doing this right? Is there a better way there is? Find the fund-raising fundamentals archive it. Tony martignetti dot com that’s marketmesuite n e t t i remember there’s a g before the end, thousands of listeners have subscribed on itunes. You can also learn maura, the chronicle website philanthropy dot com fund-raising fundamentals the better way. Duitz who should be in it? Let’s get kevin in the conversation? Sure, who should be participating in this training so so never hinted at it, but there’s, i guess i should say it differently. I’m sorry i’m making it sound like it’s, same for everything. How do you determine who should participate in the training that you are planning, right? And there’s often two parts there’s the people who are actually you’re learning like we’re going to be it you around or whatever the training is, we’re going to be throughout and then never hinted at the the executives, the people decision makers at whatever organization that people are from making sure they have buy-in so, for example, i run this year round communications training and it’s for young communications staff to help them with their overall communication skills around planning i’m that kind of thing, but at the first session that we do, we require that their executive director or a decision maker at that organization come with them so that they can work together to come up with their overall goals, that communication goals at the organization, their overall goals so that it drives what the student is. Doing the entire year and we feel it’s important because if they’re not willing to come to that first session and be part of that it’s it’s not likely that they’re going to buy into change that happens through the course, okay? And can we talk a little more generally about how to determine who should be a participant? Well, i mean, in the training that i’ve run, it’s it’s usually relatives usually clear from the golden goals. So for us, for that communications training it’s to help each of these organizations have better communicate outreach to their stakeholders, and so we’re pinpointing the communications person director, right? Right, exactly. Okay. All right. So it should be apparent from the goals with goals should drive who belongs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right, deborah arms. We’re back to you for learning elements. All right? Well, you really only you pretty much have been described with the learning elements are going to me. It’s and i was a non professional trainer, so i’m the neal fight. I’m the non bona fide on the those on the path, but i’m not on the panel, so i’m not qualified to me. It’s just like how we’re gonna do this what’s going to be? How are we going? What’s our methodology going b but you said he’s going to be pure learning practice, role play. My voice just cracked like i’m fourteen, i’m just puberty neo-sage still awkward, but i missed that part of some well, okay, so we talked about learning elements that people learn by integrating it. And so it’s, really a question of for your training and for your audience. What ways are creative and perhaps applicability for people to really put into practice what they’re learning and and that was a collaborative learning. Okay, okay. Let’s give you another shot, then. So format. What? What? So there’s a different okay, what were we going to say about form out? How are we diving into this little deeper? And i called it format. It came after learning elements. Then you were thinking about the way we’re thinking about this here. This’s your culture card. You know we’ve got we’ve got the format cods for matter-ness wait. Let’s not be unkind. Not probably right? I’m going to remain where you gonna be? All right. One says one primary trainer. When that no. Official facilitator and one says facilitator plus koegler learning and these areas shaded in blue and here they are for our video audience. Okay, so i’ll let you speak through them. Sure. As part of the session, we handed these out and had groups practice. Know why i had to feel like i don’t know what you did a great job by awkwardness. I told you, i never really imagined i could graduate from here. You have a law degree, but i never graduated puberty. All right, um, so during the training we handed these out had people kind of we’re like, okay? And your session there’s only one primary trainer. And if if that’s the right thing to meet the goals and that’s what’s known as a traditional training right. But when we get into the jargon jail of the collaborative and the cohorts in the communities something where there’s no official trainer and people are learning from each other that’s called a learning community that sound like anarchy. It isthe i’ve actually participated in one and helped design one. And i think they’re fabulous not. And it can be as long as it if it’s not intentional it needs to be intentional goal right now. Is that really okay? All right, that’s a possibility. And then there’s elearning collaborative, which is more along the lines of what you do, kevin, and what what you do, rene as well and that’s where there’s a facilitator who sort of guides the overall vision but there’s a lot of peer learning that happens where people are working in groups of twos and skillsets that’s a skill that’s a really maybe an art, actually, to be a successful facilitator, i’ve been in some programs with mediocre facilitators and like, they don’t set the rules. Well, you know, they’re like too dictatorial about the rules. Don’t people participating with the ground rules are theyjust dictate them and it goes downhill from there? Yeah, like nobody feels by boat and they feel like dictated to choose card number one one primary trainer. Exactly what? You’re supposed to be the facilitator. Exactly. Okay, but i haven’t only been in crummy ones, but i’m thinking of becoming well. We did talk about crummy one or we started with what’s. The worst training you have ever been in. Yeah, i think it’s hard to be a good facilitator, i think it’s a lot of practice. Yeah. Is that okay? Yeah. All right. So that’s, the way we say that we covered format pretty well down with that. I think we’re all right. The cultural element you want to just going down the line. Get now that’s where the culture courts because it was fun this week. A lot of fun because actually in the training, folks were given a scenario of something. So we gave them a scenario of a training they had to develop, so they didn’t have to think about that. And then when we dealt the cards out, then that made them really start to apply what we hoped. Where the elements of a good training so the culture cards we passed out, they’re in purple for those folks that aren’t on video and see this. But basically, what if one of your training participant’s death what do you d’oh that’s oneaccord says a training personally handed that car? Yes, exactly. Managing management and staff they supervise are in the same training, management and the staff they supervisor in the same training. Yes, kevin said, but the first right? Right, you’re you’re that’s mandatory. For you, the first for the first time, a man, kevin, you get you also deal with that in a very interesting way with the where? Management’s not in the super secret group that only the trainees. Aaron. Right, that’s. True. Right, then we’ll spend the whole day together. Well, they spend that first day, but then the rest of the year oh, yeah, the participants are allowed to have a safe space where they can bring up issues that kind of thing and not have it first session has to be with management, right? And the whole rest of the year is with the right, the communications director. Right? Right. We’ll bring up a lot more a lot other different issues. If they’re they’re together the whole time, certainly very hard can’t come up. Right? Like i’m understaffed and under resourced. My ceo doesn’t hear me. You’re going to many administrative things that take me away from my communications task, right? I interviewed. Well, we had a communications panel yesterday. Yeah, like miller was great. Then there were two others also, and i got an earful about potential problems. Exact locations, directors face it could be you have spanish. And english speakers and you have the priority is to use only one language. Okay. That’s a tough one? Yes, it is. Or the culture of the organization failure is frowned upon. They don’t allow innovation. Well, they don’t encourage and the innovation and risk exactly was frowned upon, right? And then if then you no staffer required well, that really to attend the court set staff says staff are required. Brandraise yeah, and mix of skills and levels and experience. So all of these things, these culture cards really can cause a really can either be amazing and opportunities for growth and collaboration. Or they can be cluster. You know what the’s a cards are? Index cards size. I’d say they’re all color coded the culture cards or purple and the format cards were blue and we have some green ones over there. What with all that? Absolutely do those and these were basically show show show kapin buy-in that basically location because sometimes organizations khun do them in person or sometimes people have remote staff and so we really mixed it up is, you know, either entirely remote or in person or a combination entirely in person remote. And in person or entirely remote. Okay, location. That’s going to impact? Uh, okay, kevin, make this explicit. How does location make a difference? Why? Why is that important? Well, especially for all right, it’s a plan that was especially for these trainings where we’re trying to make a collaborative where we’re trying to build not only content, you know, knowledge in the participants, but also appear network if it’s all virtual, you really have to work hard to make those connections. So you know whether it’s, you know, in person, you can have them go up for coffee and they can connect much easier, right? Right, exactly. And so, you know, you might use, and this is where sometimes technology can come in, like using google plus hangouts where its visual or some other kind of video conferencing so people can talk to each other, breaking the group up into smaller groups and having discussions. So they’re talking about each other’s issues in their homework, and you know what they’re working on. And then there’s also just techniques you can do so. One of my colleagues, laurie herrick, does a great job of doing this and her fund-raising training. Where she asked questions in her webinars, which well, you know, we all know what weapons could be painful and very dry, but she’ll ask a question and just stop and there’s a lot of awkward silence, especially at the beginning of these trainings. And i know for me, my instinct is to jump in and, like, give the answer right toe as a training. Like, i i kind of know what i want, but she really steps back and lets them talk. And so that’s the kind of thing unless them across talk so that they’re working with each other, building that pier collaboration and connecting with each other. So there’s a lot of different techniques you can do that you might need if its remote versus being in person. Okay. Thank you. All right. I feel like we could move now to our voice cracked again thursday. Moved now, tio. All right, so these different formats that we’re going to apply this to the learning communities, the collaborative tze and the cohorts. Yes. We want to have a collaborative training for our capacity building cohort. Theo, i’m striking. Jorgen jorgen session collaborative class. Okay, collaborative capacity bilich okay. So what is a who wants to take this? Who? What is a learning community? I’ll take that one off. Okay? So elearning community is that one that you called possible anarchy where there is no official facilitator in the community itself decides what they wanna learn in this eye. How do we know walking into that thing? That this is going to be valuable to me? That is what i’m paid to be here. I don’t even know what i’m walking into. Well, these air more than anything done from the community, not as a paid trainer. There’s no paid trainer. The community teaches itself. So think of something like where you a community of practice like ten group gets together. Exactly. But it’s a little more intentional around. We’re trying tto learn from each other and designing the learning experience together. All right, this is not a paid training that i’m attending at a hotel for a weekend or something. Most likely. Okay, thank you. Rights here. And i’m the neophyte eyes these basic questions. So this is where the community intentionally decides what it wants to learn. An example would be one that i have participated in. And helped design for the faculty at marlborough college grad school, where we realized we all had a lot to learn from each other and we’re so busy teaching we didn’t have time to understand the value of what everyone could contribute. Where is marlborough college? It is located. The roger program is in brattleboro from and it’s ah graduate program for non-profit management and i teach social media for social change. Someone else teaches environmental justice someone else teaches, you know, all kinds of things finance, whatever, and we decided to come together as a learning community, and for a hour and a half once a month, someone would share three questions that were fundamental to think about what they teach in the community. It wasn’t just that say i would share a critical question about social media wasn’t that i’m giving my knowledge is that we’re having a conversation where were all learning together about this piece, and then we decided talks about talk about goals, we decide it was a cultural value that no one should have more information than the other, so any supplemental readings were handed out afterward so that we all learn together at the same time. And then there was afterwards supplemental reading to continue the conversation. So that’s an example. Okay. Okay. That’s. Ah, learning community right now. That’s an ongoing you doing in that format that’s. The form that we used last year. Now another learning community starting up this year. Okay. All right. Who wants to take on collaborative sze what’s a collaborative grayce that’s a really good question. I think they weave ultimately, we decided collaborative cohort waiting in the session to go really well with the reason we did that is because he s deborah’s looking at me as we were having these conversations and we were like, going okay, well, what is the definition of a collaborative? And what is the definition? And really they end up bleeding over to each other. They have lots of the same characteristics. So bottom line is it really doesn’t matter what you call yourself. As long as you are incorporating all of these learning elements and you are meeting the needs of either yourself like a learning community or the end person, the participant and you are increasing their capacity. Then we’ve done exactly what we have set out to. Dio give me a collaborative ako or whatever they call it. All right. So in other words, this session topic is fragile. That’s what i’m saying for a little bit weird that you were good with that thing misleading at best. Absolutely likely fraudulent. What? We needed to get you in the door somehow. Right? Right. Generation. You just want to win the election either because there were six hundred seminar top six hundred workshop possibilities. And you wanted to make the you got exactly what you got. You got to do what you gotta do. I will say that in all fairness, one of the beautiful things is that kevin and i proposed the topic and there was another person who was going to do with us who wasn’t able to make it. And then we brought in rene. We brought in andrea. And as we’re all understanding each other’s expertise and how we approach training the way that we decided teo, execute on it, change slightly and that’s why it’s a little odd that’s all that’s, all very collaborative because we have pamphlets. Collaborative way. Did you like it? If it’s not a georgia or in the liberation? Perfect pivot. Oh, good. Neo-sage he’s. Quick friday. Alright. Okay. How about ah, about a cohort? Is there something legitimate and coordinate is actually doing? If you want to talk about how you do cohorts well, i was going to say, well, yeah, i do a cool a half. Yeah, i talk for a living. Not like you, tony, but we do a co wart two of our spanish speaking staff that are tend to be very isolated in our centers are non-profits and so we really wanted to build a cohort that they knew that they could rely on themselves and in build that community while also being a cohort, but also respecting the fact that everything needed to be in spanish for them as well. So it ended up being a combination of a cohort and a learning community at the same time. And it turned out really nicely that’s why we say it meets the goals that we hear. Exactly. Okay, we need a couple more minutes because we could talk for everybody training haven’t talks about technology beautiful and how it supports our way. We have a couple minutes i’d like to make so i mean the first thing the stresses and we talked about this in the session, it was the last thing we talked about all the other stuff we’ve already talked about it much more important. Technology is just a tool to help you reach those goals to help your participants get what they’re supposed to get out of the course. But, you know, we talked about some of the technology’s already, so you know, whether it’s, google plus hangouts to whether, if it’s it’s remote, the private facebook group, i think, never mentioned which was is a place that we use for the participants to share their homework, to have other conversations privately away from their management. You know, what were some other technologies we talked way we even use some that some people like we use big tent, which is just a free, big, tanked and yes, and it’s, just a free online where you can have forum and post documents? Eso which like some people, that we just looked upon it, but it works for our community. I know another cohort that uses they actually bookmark and ever note, and they have a collaborative notebook where they they fill in. With ideas they have in between. The actual learning session site is called ever note. Ever note? Yes, black back-up because it has been mentioned in some other interview. Slack is known for it was mentioned. I thought for project management. You can use it for your basically twisted. However you like. Okay? Yeah. Okay. And then they listed webinar technology. So everything from adobe to webex too joined on me. Joined up mi young’s, jing’s aaron, i love personally j r g i n g i just isa use that for screen jobs. Wellbeing, street raptures. But if you are trying to teach something really specific, it’s a great way to post it and for people to use it. So it is a way we use it a lot in our community. Yeah, exactly. Just joking. It’s j i m j i just yeah, yeah. Okay. Yes. I’m slow in the morning before. All right, all right, all right. So this is very interesting. So actually have something in twenty five, twenty six minutes that you know, these these formats, aside from being fraudulent in the title, they really they are. We never sharing. Really? They really are not. Really or not the key? I mean, they they blend together, there could be a milan jj of many and it doesn’t really matter what they’re called. As long as the training is meeting the needs and the goals of the of the i’m not even sure called trainees, but thrice already catching on e i never trainees was not right and help us eliminate jargon. I mean it’s always a word fraudulent. We’re like we’re done with this. Thank you. Alright, the they are kevin martin and he is the technology program manager at the harold grinspoon foundation and in the middle. Deborah askanase, founder and digital engagement strategist. Community organizer two point oh, and renee swink, technical assistance coordinator at the c a c thank you so much. Thank you. Fun. Yes, stony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of sixteen ntc. Thank you for being with us. Two q sixteen fund-raising results with rob mitchell coming up first. Pursuant, they’ve got mohr free research for you. Just released yesterday. 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This is the two hundred ninety ninth show and next week three hundred scott stein. You know him because i credit him at the end of every show. He’s going to live in the studio with his eighty eight he’s going to play the song claire meyer, half our creative producer is going to be in the studio from north carolina. We’ve got giveaways, non-profit radio fact or fiction game show lots going on. We’re going periscope it so you could join us on joining the periscope through twitter um, three hundred show next week. There’s a video on it at tony martignetti dot com says a little more, but the takeaway is next week three hundred show be here, that is tony’s take two. I hope that was emphatic enough. I’m concerned it may not have been rob mitchell is with us. You know him? He’s, the ceo of atlas of giving, which is the only monthly forecast and measurement of charitable giving by sector source and state in the u s they’re an atlas of giving dot com. Rob is at ah, philanthropy man or as i like to say at philantech roman rob mitchell, our resident roman welcome back. Hey, tony it’s. Good to be back. Pleasure to have you were talking about the second quarter of sixteen what’s the what’s, the headline for the mid year. Well, the midyear headline. I wish i had better news for you, tony, but e-giving has been essentially flat for the first half of two thousand sixteen. We’ve had a gain. Of less than one percent for total giving, which amounts to two hundred forty one point to a billion dollars. Okay, and what’s the percentage it’s actually point nine percent. So just okay, so just slightly under one percent gain. Okay? Um yes, all right. And yeah, that there there are some. There are some reasons for this. There also are some speculative reasons for this. But i will tell you that on dh this is not a good sign. June giving decreased i’m slightly from may for a total of forty points seven. Two billion. Now that was just it was virtually flat. But dahna we haven’t observed that for several years. In fact, we haven’t observed that kind of flatness since two thousand. Alright, since two thousand ten you’re saying there hasn’t been a six month period of this degree of flatness. Is that right? That’s? Correct. Okay, so it’s been six years are two thousand ten sort of emerging starting to emerge from the recession. All right, well, we had a we had a great emergence from the recession. Metoo apart from what other estimators have said are you know the atlas of giving consist of sixty. Five separate algorithms where we we have identified what factors are involved in giving and their relatives strings by sector source and st s o um, yeah, this is this is, uh this is a a bit of a different year. We’ve been on the rise since, um, since really two thousand nine and, um, this year’s very different donors are very uncertain right now. They’re uncertain about the economy, they’re uncertain about the stock market, and as all of us know, the stock market has had significant volatility this year, there is the continuing fear of rising interest rates. Um then there’s the election and the outcome of the election is huge because people are there sitting on the donor’s air sitting on the sidelines there they’re not. They’re not drawing back, but they’re also not increasing because they’re wondering about how the outcome of the election is going to affect them on taxes, on their income, on social security, on student loans and other things. Okay, rob, can you speak to where where things stood back four years ago? Ah, this period in two thousand twelve, right before an election. I don’t have that information and, you know okay, okay. I’m just wondering what what generally election is, whether this is an unusual election cycle for for fund-raising it i believe that it is an unusual election cycle. I mean, we’ve got two candidates who had who have the highest disapproval rate that we’ve ever had in history. Well, i know it’s an unusual election, it’s certainly that i’m wondering if if the impact on fund-raising is different than it has been in the past. That’s all right, we can. We’re going to you’re going to come back. What? After where? We know ah september, right? So we can we can still we could talk more about that in after the third quarter. Sure. Okay. Okay. We could compare maybe just two thousand twelve and maybe even two thousand eight. Okay, no problem. Let’s, talk a little about semente. Vigia yl. Well, actually, now, before we move on to different how different types of charities are faring so far, let’s talk a little more about some of this uncertainty. Another thing i’m thinking is, what about oil prices? Oil prices being so low. That’s gonna have an impact in our energy producing states. It does. And in our energy producing states and i live in one of those, which is texas, and i actually have a business which has been negatively affected by the downturn in oil prices and so that’s the bad news. So states like texas, north dakota, wyoming, pennsylvania um, those states that were flourishing before the oil, the oriole price shut down are having a difficult time. Yeah, we’re moving away. They’re finding other jobs and so forth. But there’s there’s a good side to this. The good side to this is that gasoline prices no are lower as a result, and therefore there is more disposable income for most of the country and that that is reflected not only in gasoline prices but in i couldn’t believe this. But i just just a couple of weeks ago, i was able to fly my daughter from chicago to san antonio for forty five dollars. Yeah, and that is a direct reflection of oil of the low price of oil, right? So it’s a ying and yang sort of thing. Yes, the states that our oil dependent are having a difficult time. But i would say for the overall charitable giving economy what’s happened in oil prices is a very positive thing. Okay, okay. By the way, i would argue that new york state and especially the capital, albany, is a major producer of gas. But that’s that’s a political statement i turned out to be trying to be political on the welsh. I don’t know, maybe it’s true in a lot of steak kapin had in the in the this week in the in the convention and next in next week’s convention. I don’t know that there can be more gas. There was a lot of gas coming out of those that’s. True too. Um all right, that’s, the extent of our political commentary are interesting. All right, so you think the low oil prices are generally generally a positive, generally a positive, because discretionary income is the key to charitable giving to the terrible giving economy means seventy four percent. Seventy four percent of all guests are made by individuals, right? So when individuals have more money available to them, they will give more, okay and when, when things like interest rates, inflation, oil prices or get in this case, gasoline prices or or a few loyal prices for heating in the winter. Put pressure on them. They have less money to give, and seventy four percent of the economy is given by individual giving. Yeah, and that’s that’s reflected in some of the other numbers that you you report for the for the midyear that grants from donor advised funds are up significantly. Foundation grants are up significantly. But we’re still only see a nine tenths of a percent increase, because three quarters of the giving comes from people. Exactly. In fact, if you look at as i look at the sectors, a zai look, a e-giving by sectors. You know, one of the sector that is the most affected by individual giving it’s church e-giving and it is down one point, one percent that’s pretty for me. That’s pretty typical when we you and i have been talking about this every time you’re on and we’re covering this church giving has been declining about one percent each year. For what, three, four years? Something like that. It has been because and it’s a it’s a combination of factors. But it has a lot to do with there’s less there’s, less participation on the part of americans and church attendance in church. Joining or membership and and then churches also are like large charities. They take it on the chin when unemployment is high. Now i understand unemployment is not officially is not high right now, but we’ve had a tremendous number of people drop out of even looking for a job and that’s that’s making an impact to and but you compare that with okay, so that’s the largest sector that that that sector accounts for a third of the charitable giving economy. Yes, and it is declining, and we expect that it will continue to decline, but then you look at the sector that is performing the best, which is the environmental sector, and there are almost four percent. The problem is it’s great, that they’re at four percent, but they’re the smallest sector. Yeah, they’re a tiny piece of the pie. What what’s what’s there, what’s there, taking the in the in the overall, giving the percentage wise. What is the environment account for the environment accounts for two percent? Okay, rod, we gotta go out for a break. When we come back, you and i’ll keep talking, and i know everybody’s going to stay with us. Plus, we got live. Listen, love coming up. Don’t want to miss the loveless term of stay with us. 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Hi, this is claire meyerhoff from the plan giving agency. If you have big dreams but a small budget, you have a home at tony martignetti non-profit radio. Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. We got to do the live love, you know, the live love has got to go out to st louis missouri college station, texas while we’re talking about texas um, maybe that’s rob. Rob, is that you listening earlier? You in college station? I am not in kottler enough. Okay, then that someone else and there’s live love going out to that person. Also fort worth, texas live love going out there. And then, uh, let’s go abroad. We got verburg, netherlands. Welcome, netherlands live listener love to you. I don’t think you’ve been with us before. If you have it’s not too common. Come back. We’ve got many mean colombia. We’ve got seoul, south korea. Where? Of course i want to say come za ham, nida and tokyo, japan konnichiwa, beijing china knee how always so reliable. Unbelievable! 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Those are the ones that come to mind all affections to all and more. There are other stations out there all our affiliate station listeners. Rob mitchell. Thank you for that indulgence while i greet and thank are many of the songs i have one question for you. Tony. Yes? Are you the guy playing the piano for the intro music? No. That’s. That’s, scott steinar music is by scott stein. That is fantastic. That well, if you listen live well, if you listen to next week’s show live or archive or affiliate you’ll hear scott performed the entire song, which is cheap red wine he’s going he’s going to be in the studio with his eighty eight and he’s going to play a song for us so well, i think he should change in the name tio two buck chuck, what the hell is that? Well, if you don’t know about trader joe’s too, but check is the is the trader joe’s economy wine. So when you’re talking about keeper at wine talking about two bucks two buck chuck. Okay, theo, this song, i think, was composed before trader joe’s was was popular. I don’t know before they were before they were even existed, but ah, it’s it’s several years old, but the tune caught my ear and we’re not changing to two buck chuck hyre that’s good to know that you’re a nino file. You like your wine? Yeah, well, actually, i i actually am a, um i have an interest in a central coast winery, so yes, in a way, i am andina file central coast of california. Yeah, yes. You want to shout out the winery? Um, the name of the wine group is called the inter p wine group. And our award winning lines are called double bond. Double bond. Ok, i’ll check it out from the central coast. All right. And very interested. See what you learned on non-profit radio it’s remarkable. The ceo of us of giving has an interest in a double bond wines and and the entropy wine group. You’re not going. You’re not going to capture that. And other media outlets. You just not. All right. That’s, enough navel gazing and backslapping. So let’s talk about, um, britain’s exit from the european union and the european common market. You are very concerned about that. Yes, i am. Okay, let’s, move on. How about a little fulfilling some detail? Okay, well, the first thing i’ll tell you is that if you go on atlas of e-giving dot com today and pull up the current monthly report, which is through june it’s the mid year report, it will show that we are projecting that e-giving well, the giving your will finish two point one percent higher than two thousand fifteen. Now. That’s. Good news. Any increase in giving as good news? Yeah. Blood. It is slightly lower than our original forecast back in january of two. Point. Six percent. But here’s. My concern. The exit of the brits from the from the u is goingto have some negative effects, which are not going to be immediately apparent. But could but will, up here over the next six months and here’s some of the things to look for. What? The effect of of the brits leaving the eu means that the the u s dollar is, is that a high and that’s great if you’re traveling across the world? Okay, wait, wait, i can’t let you get away. Hold on, i can’t worldwide trade that’s a very bad okay, hold on, hold on. What about rob? Rob mitchell trompeter financial markets slow the economy and i would say that the financial markets that we’re in now could be characterized as volatile. I mean, one day we’re, uh i’m watching my portfolio when they were up when they were down. You just you just never know rob. And one of the most concerning things to me is that fed chair janet yellen isn’t sure said publicly that she isn’t sure if the exit of britain from the you will trigger a global recession. Now that’s not something that’s a very, very strong statement from the chairman of the fed and so that’s that’s troubling. Okay, rob us unemployment. Robert you listening to me? Rob? Rob, stop for a minute. Okay, okay. Take a breath, please. I’ve been trying to get a question and i’m trying to get a question into you, we’re going. We’re going back now, going back a minute. You have tio, all right, we have just about two minutes left, make it s so. I understand you’re very concerned about brexit, make it explicit for me. What is the connection between britain leaving the european union and the common market and a strong dollar? And a strong dollar. Yeah, strong dollar. How does that happen? Worldwide? And that effects the american economy? It also effects u s unemployment. But what’s the connection between britain leaving and those things you just said. They’re britain and germany were propping up the european union and it’s not clear at this point whether the european union will survive, because if if the germans tone and tony you and i wr roughly the same age, if the germans and the if the germans decide that they’re tired of supporting the socialist activities of italy, france, greece and spain, the hole you could fall apart. Okay, so that all right, so that makes the american dollar more appealing. Okay. Okay. That’s, the kind of art that’s we gotta make it explicit. Everybody listening is not an economist, including me. Even though i have a bachelor’s in science from an economic from carnegie mellon university. Um okay. We have just about thirty seconds left. Leave us with it’s a friday. Leave us with something a little positive. Please. The good news is that in spite of all the bad news, charitable giving is expected to increase this year by two point, one percent. Right so far. My two point one. Okay, alright, rob, we gotta leave it right there. Rob mitchell, ceo of atlas of giving. You’ll find them an atlas of giving dot com and that’s where? The media report is and he is at philantech roman. Thank you, rob mitchell. Thanks, tony. Always great to be with you. If you missed any part of today’s show, i beseech you, find it on tony martignetti dot com what about next week? It’s a three hundred show that’s. Another rhetorical question. That’s two in one hour. What do you know? You know what next week is it’s a three hundred joe, for goodness sake, responsive by pursuing online tools for small and midsize non-profits data driven and technology enabled pursuing dot com our creative producers claire meyerhoff she’ll be in the studio next week. Sam liebowitz is a line producer, he’s in the studio every week gavin dollars are am and fm and outreach director. He’s never been in the studio shows social media’s by susan chavez. Nor has she, but she doesn’t actually work from california. 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