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John Haydon: Facebook Fundamentals
John Haydon, principal of Inbound Zombie and co-author of “Facebook Marketing for Dummies,” is well known around the internet as having simple ideas for getting the most from social media. We’ll talk about getting your nonprofit on Facebook: how to start; how to FB fundraise; attracting fans (even if they’re not technically called that any more); and integrating with your other channels.
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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio i’m your aptly named host it’s friday, december sixteenth, two thousand eleven we’re here as always, talking about big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I sincerely hope you were with me last week because if you weren’t, then you missed fund-raising through your life cycle, what does fund-raising look like in the stages of a non-profits life? And how do you avoid the stagnation and decline phases? Jeff sobel principle of jeffrey sobel consulting shared his insights, and that interview was recorded at westchester a f p s national philanthropy day. You would also have missed marrying major and planned gif ts are these two compatible? What do their courtship and marriage look like? Charlie gordy, director of planned giving for harvard law school and margaret hohman principle of home and consulting, revealed how to make this a match made in heaven that was recorded at the national conference on philanthropic planning. More important than last week, you’re with me this week, you’re listening live and this week it’s facebook fundamentals john hayden principle of inbound zombie and co author of facebook marketing for dummies is well known as having simple ideas for getting the most from social media, we’re going to talk about getting your non-profit on facebook how to get started had a facebook fund-raising attracting fans, even though they may not be called that anymore technically, and integrating with your other channels also your fresh faced website are regular tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news, scott keggers with me and he’s going to share his thoughts on your freshened up website. When do you need to freshen up? Are you on message? True to mission? Do you have a call to action between the guests on tony’s? Take two, it is my block this week, my next-gen charity interviews part two i interviewed a stand up comic i get my face red and connecting donors to causes these air three of the twelve interviews that i did it next-gen charity conference last month and i’ll talk a little bit about those on tony’s take two, we’re live tweeting the show use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation on twitter. This show is supported by g grace corporate real estate services were grateful for gee graces support we take a break when we returned. My guests will be john hayden. And we’ll be talking about facebook fundamentals. So stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Duitz are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? 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Joining me now is john hayden. John, how you doing? Hey, tony, how you i’m doing great, thank you. Jon is calling from cambridge, massachusetts, he’s, the principal of inbound zombie consultants in online strategy and social strategy for small and midsize non-profits that’s the audience here in the u s and canada. He’s, also co author of facebook marketing for dummies and he’s, well known for having simple ideas for getting the most from social media. John hayden, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me appreciate, oh, it’s a pleasure. Um, facebook, why should non-profits pay attention to and be on facebook? Why facebook? Well, the simple answer is that everybody’s on facebook? Okay, um, and regardless of where, you know it’s, not really about the platform it’s about where people are and as you may know and maybe some of our your listeners may know, you know, facebook has about eight hundred million active users, okay? So these are people that actually log in to facebook thirty minutes, three hours a day, they’re checking in on their iphone or ipad on browsers and support and connecting with their friends John 30 minutes 2:3 hours so even at the short end, they’re on average, people are spending a long time on this one place. Yes, exactly. Um, you know, i kind of look at it like the morning coffee routine. You know, maybe thirty years ago, people used to open up a newspaper how people open up facebook and they see they get their news. What what are my friends sharing what’s new in the world today? What’s, you know, whose birthday is it today? You know, things like that, i mean, it’s really a central part of the culture today and so non-profits, you know, just like when the television came out and certain non-profit said, while we need to start doing something for tv in the same way, they kind of need to look at where people are using social media, which is, you know, really facebook at this point. Oh, so you sort of use those anonymously, yeah, so non-profit you know, sometimes i get this question the cheese, social media so many platforms, where should i what should i do it? I said, look, if you’re not doing so. Idiot. All first of all, you know, get your website straight. You know, make sure you get that first, but don’t think about this huge social media thing just think about facebook because that’s really where you should start that’s where your constituents are gonna be guaranteed your volunteers are going to be their donor’s going to be there, not all of them granted, but you know, the majority of them on dh. You know, the fact is that eighty nine percent non-profits air now using facebook, so if you are a non-profit thinking about facebook, you kind of have to look at what your peers are doing. Well, yeah, ok on dh i pulled listeners before the show and thank you very much for for retweeting the the the short link to the pole many times appreciate that on day one of the questions was, does your non-profit have a facebook page so our audience is a little behind the national average? About seventy seven percent said yes on dh. The remainder said no, i better listen to the show so that other twenty three percent or so we’re going to try to convert them we just have about two minutes before the break, so i want to just tease a little bit. How do we just how do we just get started? Get started getting started and then we’ll be out. You and i will be able to spend a lot more time on that after the break. The best place to start is to have a plan, you know, do some research on facebook i actually website called the non-profit facebook guy dot com non-profit facebook id a lot of articles on there, but, you know, come up with a plan and really try and develop a strategy as to where facebook would fit within you’re overall marketing communications fund-raising plan and then you really want to start with a facebook page, okay? And we’ll get to the different types of pages because i know there could be some confusion around that after the break, just in a minute or so. What are the pieces of that strategy or plan? What topic areas should be in there. Okay, so the topic area would be, what are your goals? You know, specific goals? What do you want to be achieving with facebook and it again? It does help to understand what facebook is good at, what facebook is not good at, understand the kind of its role within your overall communication plan, and then the other thing is, you know, what’s going to be your content strategy, what is really unique about your organization, what gets people talking, you know, when you meet people, your supporters volunteers when you meet them and it event and you’re in coffee and bagels together, what is it that gets them really excited? And what do they like? What they like to talk about what they like to share with friends, build a content strategy around that so that you’re pushing out consistent content on facebook, which is really kind of the central central point on facebook? It’s not kind of a static web page it’s really not bad it’s more kind of a living, breathing dialogue that you’re having with your constituents is really the best way to be using a facebook page. John, we’re going to take a break and we’ll get into more detail after this break with john hayden, author co author of facebook marketing for dummies and i hope you will stay with us. I didn’t even think that shooting, getting, thinking things. You’re listening to the talking, alternative network, things, getting anything. Cubine are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative that calm mondays at eleven a. M call in for a free psychic reading learned how to tune into your intuition to feel better and to create your optimum life. I’m here to guide you and to assist you in creating life that you deserve. Listen. Every monday at eleven a, m on talking alternative dot com. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics. Politically expressed buy-in, montgomery, taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. If you have big ideas and an average budget, tune into the way above average. Tony martin. Any non-profit radio ideo. I’m jonah helper from next-gen charity. Buy-in welcome back. We’re talking about facebook fundamentals with john hayden and john. Before we get into more detail about getting started and the different types of facebook pages, i am dying to know why your company’s called inbound zombie. What is that? Okay, so inbound zombie. Quite honestly, i just literally came up with the name, um, and i’ve always been a fan of zombies. Just, you know, zombie movies, and what not, i find it a fascinating read books about zombies on that, and i just felt like, you know, zombie culture will probably be around for a long time. So if i come for the business name, that is current, always be current. You know, and then only after then, you know, maybe like a year later, it started having meaning to me like water, zombies, this idea that you know what i do for a non-profit is kind of create a situation where people come to them like they actually get to a point where they don’t their constituents in their volunteers let’s imagine that they’re like positive zombies that are really smart, they can’t help but come towards the organization they can’t help but be attracted to the organization three using okay, okay, as long as they’re positive zombies, not the ones that are, you know, that have the wrapping dangling off them and their bloody and their eyes were just sockets, you know, as long, it’s, not that kind. No, we’re cool, all right, positive zombies on di did see on twitter that at wild woman fundez mazarene treyz who’s been a guest on the show, she looks so it looks like she spends more like five hours on facebook, so i hope our clients are not suffering mazarene hope your client working, getting done and other important things in your life are being done and maybe just sleeping less. Than the rest of us. Okay, john, what are the different types of pages? There could be some confusion around that the type of page that a charity should set up on facebook. Okay, no that’s a great question. So, you know, common mistake that i see is that, you know, someone will say, oh, you know, i just started i started a facebook page for my non-profit and, you know, how do i get more friends? And so what happens is that sometimes an organization will actually create a facebook profile, which is for the personal use on they’ll be using that for their organization, which is basically a violation of the facebook terms and conditions a and b it’s, not the most effective type of tool to be using. So what i just mentioned, the facebook profile is really what those eight hundred million people eight hundred million facebook users, they’re all using a facebook profile, you know, you share photos with your friends, you check in to facebook places you make a status update, you connect with high school friends, that type of thing, so that’s that’s really meant for a person now, a facebook page or business page sometimes called a fan page, and some people might know it is a fan page that’s really wearing organization wants to be starting, and the best way to do this is to go to facebook dot com metoo polka dot com forward slash pages forward slash create that, not php. Yes, and then you want to pick either a local business or place or a company, organization or institution. These are two different types of facebook pages. There are six types in total, but these two really apply to non-profits a local paper place of business might be a museum that’s a that’s, a non-profit the company organization institution might be say, a foundation that is in a corporate park were really nobody visits then, so you wouldn’t want to advertise that the address and location of the business that much. But, you know, you still want to have a facebook page, so these two different types of pages, okay? And it sounds like for our audience, probably the first of those two is more appropriate. Yeah, local place of business. Um, or you either one. Okay, so what can they do on this? Well, so how do they create the fan page. What should be included in it? Okay, so when you create the fan page, i actually have some videos that you go to non-profit facebook dot com. I actually have a few video tutorials about that. But what they want to do is they want to upload a mean image. John, i’m sorry. Say that you are l one more time that people can go to for the video. Oh, sure. It’s non-profit facebook guy dot com. And then they could just kind of search for it like a little search box. Was that guy guy or guide by, like like you? Why guy? Like a man. Okay, non-profit facebook guy dot com. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And then, you know, when you create the page, you upload a maine and the video kind of walk you through this whole thing, but you want to create. The most important thing is probably creating a welcome tab. Custom welcome. Tab. And the reason why this is important, tony, is because eventually an organization will want to promote the page, you know, through email or however they’re going to have people show up and, like page exactly. Do something on the page. They want to be able to convert the fans, okay? So when someone shows up, they were going to make a decision in less than two seconds, whether they should like that page or not. And, you know, it’s been a few studies on this, but organisations that have a welcome cab, which is basically like, and it could be an image and it’s, just kind of like a good first impression. The example that i always use his dog bless you if you go into facebook in the search dog less you, they have a great example of a welcome tab it’s, just a picture of a dog and it says, god bless you and that’s it. And then, you know, the implication is like the page, and they have well over two hundred thousand likes exactly. Yeah, and so, you know, a strategy like this is important. Welcome tab, like it’s important, because, you know, when you have people come to your page, you want to be able to convert them into a fan once they arrived it again, you have less than two seconds. So with welcome tabs will actually convert fans at a twenty five percent higher rate than the wall or the info tap because other to places that you could send new visitors okay? And that example again is dog bless you on facebook. All right, so the welcome tab is important. You’ll convert more people than rather than them coming to the wall. And we’re seeing a bunch of posts as as the first thing they land on. Is that right? Is that basically it? Exactly. Okay, okay, what else can we do? The what other features are are the tabs are there on our on our fan page? Okay, so they have, you know, they have the wall. The wall is really where all the action is going to be, and i’ll get to that in a little bit. But, you know, you have the wall. The info tab. You should fill out the basic information. Don’t go crazy about about the information tap. You really want to just include, like a link to your website so that people can click on that. Read more about your organization, but you don’t want to. You don’t need to provide every single piece of information you tend. You need to know about your organization. People simply don’t read and into a cab that much anyhow. Okay, they’re really going to be interested in what’s happening on your wall. And if they do want more than you’re giving him the link to the website or the blogged t get that additional stuff. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So now, as i mentioned before, you know, facebook facebook page isn’t like a static web page. Okay, what’s what’s really important? About a facebook page is actually the content that you’re that you’re consistently putting on the page. That’s really? What the point is so i often tell people, you know, don’t go crazy with trying to get you page perfect. Just get it out there and start building up a community start attracting people start having people like the paid and so forth. So when you first, you know, create a page, you literally have no one there’s no pans at all. Okay, in the same way that that welcome tab will convert a fan. Remember i mentioned, you know, the welcome tabal convert fans. Yes. The other thing you need to do is you need to kind of acquire a certain number of fans. Because when you first started page, you have xero fans, okay? And tony, i know you live in new york city, right? That’s? Correct. Okay, so, you know, it’s, a new restaurant opens up down the street and you go to that restaurant and nobody’s there that tables are empty. You probably going to be a little hesitant about going into that restaurant? Okay. Okay. So in the same way with a facebook page, you want to, you know, paige admin can actually use a function called invite friends where they can invite their personal facebook friend paige, and you can have a few different administrators on the page, and you could have saved five people who might be an admin of the page and making each asked their own personal friend network first. And where do you find where do you find this, john? Well, it’s, actually on the right hand side of a facebook page once you created okay, once you create facebook page, lincoln invite friends, okay? Okay, by the way, i do have ah restaurant in my neighborhood. It’s a chinese place. It was empty, i went in and i blew it. The food was awful. It was awful. It was a buffet. I wouldn’t touch three quarters of what was there, and then the other twenty five percent tasted bad. So wow, you’re right, c on that’s ah happened recently so you’re your zombie prognostication powers are are are strong today. I’m with john hayden and he’s, a principal inbound zombie and co author of facebook marketing for dummies can we customize tabs john? Or is it only what facebook? Makes available oh, no, you can definitely, you know, and tabs on to face facebook page, you know the welcome tab i mentioned earlier you can create, you know, like an email upton type of tab you can create petitions, you can create a lot of different types of functionality and kind of add those on to your to your facebook page and you can use, you know, if you know html and css, some listeners are very technical they’ll know how to do this, they can figure this out, but for those who aren’t really that tech savvy, which is pretty much ninety nine percent of the time prophet, you know, they might want to investigate some third party applications like there’s, a company called short stack and if you just even if you just sort search for them on facebook, just search for short stack. They have a great application to create these custom tabs, another one that i like his fan page engine fan page engine that’s a great one andan there’s, you know, there’s a bunch of other ones, but those are the ones that i that i consistently use and recommend. Okay, we’re going to move teo using facebook for fund-raising and there’s. An important distinction that you make what? Why don’t you explain what that is? Okay, so fund-raising there’s. A difference between fund-raising the relationship and fund-raising the transaction. Yeah, okay, so the transaction is actually collecting money. Exactly. Collecting the money and facebook is not so good at that. Is that? Is that right? Facebook is not the best way to collect money. Okay, but but it’s a great way to build a relationship weight exactly right. Excellent way to build relationships and nurture those relationships and file a lot of people after they donate. There was some research done by blackbaud i think about a month and a half ago that found that thirty percent of people that donate online, they actually donate through email. Okay, okay, six percent is about six percent of facebook and twitter. Okay, so if you’re a non-profit, you might say, chief, then i shouldn’t even waste my time with facebook, but the fact is, is that a lot of people, when they donate, they don’t just hear about a non-profit for the thirty first time and start donating, they need to kind of get to know the organization that relationship matures, and then eventually they might join an email list on the facebook page and then through that female relationship, then they donate. Okay, so facebook is awesome for acquiring and attracting new donors and developing the relationship with those new fans or connections into ah, donor-centric or a volunteer or whatever that relationship is going to eventually mature into. I pulled listeners again before the show, and one of the other questions was, if you have a facebook page, do you feel it adequately supports your fund-raising? And about sixty two percent i said no, and the other forty or thirty eight percent so said not sure, and nobody said yes, that they feel it adequately supports their fund-raising but there was a comment that i think is right on point with what you’re saying, and that comment was our page supports community and promoting the cause, but does not bring in dollars. Is that? Is that appropriate goal or ah, for fun for facebook? Yeah, i mean, it really is about the relationship it’s about it’s a i think i think organizations again, i think there’s kind of an over focus on like the money, the money, the money, you know? But you have to think about it for your perspective, tony, when you find out about a really cool non-profit you’re not going to donate right off the bat, you probably goingto join their email list and maybe go to a new event and then eventually you’ll donate once and then maybe you sign on as a lifer eventually, no, so facebook is the best tool for creating an enhancing relationships with constituents online because what you could do is you, khun report outcomes on your facebook page, we just we just opened up a new school in this in tanzania and it’s doing really well here’s, some pictures of our students and here’s here’s what they’re learning here’s the picture of the teacher, i mean, you could, you know, photos do really well on facebook, and the more that organization could kind of share photos on their facebook page about what they’re doing, like literally what is the impact that they’re having on the world that motivates people to donate? We have just about a minute and a half left, and we’re sort of getting to this topic so let’s deal with it directly. How do we attract people to our facebook page? Okay, great that’s an excellent question. So a few different things. I usually encourage organizations to leverage the existing their existing assets, so they may have a facebook page would say, you know, three, facebook fans, but they have an email list with three thousand subscribers, they can use that email list to kind of promote their page and then get fans that way. You really have to think about, you know, how you’re writing the email and what and the reasons why people should actually like the page. You want to create a unique situation on the facebook page that gives people a reason to actually like it and stay connected. The example that i’ve used before the m might share behind the scenes footage for kind of putting together an exhibit, so you really can’t get that anywhere else, right? Stuff you can only see if you go to the facebook page exactly. So people need a reason people are reasonable, facebook users are people and most people are reasonable. They want a reason to do something. The other thing that i usually encourage people to do is to try the facebook sponsored stories, which leverages what i would call friends networks on facebook. So if you have five hundred, fans on facebook page by taking out a facebook spot story, you could actually promote that page to the friends of those five hundred people. Okay, the average facebook user has about one hundred thirty friends, so, i mean, just do the math. You can really create a lot of exposure for the page and then collect a lot of fans that way. John, we have to leave it there. Thank you very much for being a guest. Great. Thank you, tony. My pleasure, john hayden. Principle of inbound zombie and co author of facebook marketing for dummies, where you obviously find a lot more ideas. We’ve only had twenty five minutes or so to explore jonah real pleasure. Thank you again, thanks. After the break, it’s, tony’s, take two and then scott koegler with your fresh faced website, so stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Kayman are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics. Politically expressed buy-in, montgomery, taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com if dahna welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent it’s roughly thirty two minutes into the hour, which means it’s time for tony’s take two this week. My block post is my next-gen charity interviews part two dahna the show was a media sponsor for this outstanding, really invigorating conference just last month here in new york city, and i got to interview twelve of the speakers at the conference, and i’ve been releasing them three per week, and this is Numbers 4:5 6 so this week there are hi def videos of my interviews with wally collins he’s the author of you never know book of encouragements and he’s a stand up comic and he wants you to live a regret lous life sharon abbott and i talked about positive communication techniques and she actually read my face to determine my communication preferences she looked at the space between my eyebrows and she looked at my upper lip and made some conclusions and i think she was pretty accurate actually on dh then charles best talked about how to connect donors with causes that they are supporting charles best is the ceo of donors choose dot or ge and that’s a sight where classroom teachers post their needs and donors from around the world support those needs, and charles explained how the site connects people from around the world with causes that they may most likely we’ll never physically see, but they’re supporting from a distance. That’s all on my blogged this week at m p g a d v dot com, you’ll find links tau video interviews of each of those three and that is tony’s take two for friday, december sixteenth. Scott koegler are you there? I am here. Tony, how are you? I knew you were because our technology and our producer is outstanding. Scott is our regular tech contributor. He’s with me every month. He’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find at n p tech news. Dot com and we’re talking this week about your fresh faced website. Welcome back, scott. Thank you, tony. Good to be here, it’s. Good to have you. When? When is the right time to freshen up the charity website? You know that’s a great topic, it’s one that i think people would prefer not to address. Because if you look around you see most websites and it’s not just limited to non-profits, but pretty much lots of websites him to not change over time. And that’s that’s a problem. So the answer to your question is, um, probably every day. I probably, you know, okay. All right, well, that’s, because so many sights now are blog’s, right? And that’s exactly the case. Um, people people will come to a website in order to find information. And if they’ve already found the information that’s there, uh, why should they come back? Yeah, so so that’s. Why so many sites are blobs on that’s? Why having a continuous stream of content updates? Um, you know, stuff, no new things to read is important and that’s exactly what john hayden said in the first half of the show about the facebook page. It has to be current relevant, interesting talk about the things that your constituents find exciting so it’s the same with the website it is a lot of a lot of webs are actually the containers for the contents that get published facebook and email newsletters and all those other things on that, you know, that keeps the contents still available for people to see. It also, uh, feeds the search engines. I think we also, since these are charitable works and organizations, we want to make sure that the website is aligned with their mission. Right? Good point and, uh, visions do change over time, especially those who have specific projects that come and go. So they may have won initiative that they’re focusing on for a month or a year, or whatever the period of time is. And hopefully they they succeed in fulfilling that particular initiative and kind of move on. So right, you need to update that. So there’s all these reasons, tio, come back, how do we get people to go? No, if maybe just, you know, for a first time, or if they haven’t been around for awhile. How do we how do we get the word out about the site with a classic way? Of course, email newsletters some kind of announcement that says something has changed, or here’s an update on where we noticed you haven’t been here in a while if you have a pretty good social media presence, whether that’s, facebook, twitter, google, plus or whatever you’re you’re social network media is it’s good with good thing to post updates out there, but i would always coordinate that with the content on the site and some kind of an email presents, okay? And you have some suggestions around getting people teo to sign up for for those email lists using your site exactly. And again, you know, when we say sight, i guess i’m also talking about social media whenever you have an opportunity in social media or on the website or, well, not an e mail, because that presupposes there already subscribe, but certainly use a sign up but on the website little box that allows folks to enter their email address and request to sign up for announcements for email newsletters for whatever it is that you may want to submit to them and you could do the same thing on facebook pages. I haven’t really dove it does that’s, right? We’re dove dived. You haven’t been into it much. Yeah, i haven’t looked much at the at the twitter, where they called the organization pages now organization pages, okay, but with facebook and google it’s entirely possible to put links on those pages that will lead people that are interacting, interacting with the organization there, back to your website to sign up for newsletter updates. Okay, are these the splashes that you see, like you go to some sites and ah, window opens automatically, which you can either fill out or clothes if you want to go right to the site, but is that we’re talking about it’s? Ah, sort that splash page, splash, window opens and sign up there? Well, that’s, one way to do it. Some people get pretty annoyed at that kind of thing, so i’m i’m not particularly advocate of of those things in your face, but depends on your constituency and the people you were looking for. Some people and some or some sets of folks bill, mind that are actually react positively to it. So i would say it’s a situational kind of thing. Okay, on def. It’s not that. How do you do it? So that’s? Prominent. I would put the sign up box on every page so that even a folks are reading a particular article. They’ve moved to another page. That somewhere on there, prominent on the generally on the left, the right hand side of the content. There’s a box. So sign up for our newsletter. Well, whatever your messages that you want them to do and it’s just, you know, eventually it’s something that they get used to seeing. No. And, you know, getting used to saying it is a good thing in the bad thing both because see it too often you kind of it disappears now. So is there enough is their technology that would would know when someone comes to a page? If if they’re part of the email list? I guess not. Right? Um, it was pretty complex. I would just as soon. Put it there, chances are you already have some content, some some items along the left hand or right sides of your content, then maybe advertising or updates, whatever on your website. So having an extra box? Well, that’s a newsletter sign up really? All that truce? Um, okay, and to coordinate a bit with my first guest, john hayden. What about incorporating into the website embedding into the web site the one, those facebook windows where it has the number of likes and somebody khun like right from there? What were your thoughts around that? Absolutely. And there are so many social networks now used to be that you just put your twitter stream along the side. You can also put your facebook update, scream your ghoul composting stream, but certainly you want to include the social media connection items that would be the plus one for google, the like for facebook and the share for twitter. So you should be on every page, every particle of content and how do you actually do? That depends on the platform to using i you know, whether it’s truthful or wordpress or juma or whatever it may be, there are tools. That are available almost for free that you can add to the sight that will just automatically put those in. If you’re if you’re not the programmer that takes care of the site, you’ve asked the people that are in charge, but for them it’s a pretty simple thing. Okay, all right, so it’s very doable, alright, and so these things, they’re all should be connected, and that could be a reason toe freshen up the site like the charity might have now. Ah, google plus organization page or may have become more active on twitter than they were when they first created the website, and they haven’t made these connections between the other properties and their own site. Exactly, and updates don’t have to be huge, another on in fact, they may not need to be or shouldn’t be huge just adding those social media connectors. Maybe one thing to do in one week and adding the sign up page for the newsletter maybe done another week so that they don’t they don’t become huge tasks. They don’t overwhelm people to come back to the safe and something completely different from what they were before, right? And not only that, but within the organization, if it’s, if it’s deemed to be some huge website revision that can be off putting and just, you know, it, it goes, gets pushed away because nobody wants to deal with the vast changes that are necessary, right? Exactly. I think that’s one of the reasons i mean, i hear that a lot, you know, it’s it’s always a monumental task when someone some organization is revising their website and people talk about it like it’s a gala for fifteen hundred people that they have coming in, you know, in three days, and they feel like they’re behind on it. It’s exactly. These things could be overwhelming if your website static just lend itself to being it to display changing content, then it may be time to change the platform. There’s a lot of old html web sites out there that are not really content management systems. They’re not based on wordpress, for instance, and so maybe a time to make that plunge and that that is as you just said, that could be a significant undertaking, but we don’t want that site anymore. That just looks like reads like a brochure, you know? Like a two thousand three website, exactly, the chances are you’re not seeing it. Yep, yep, should we have scott called back in? We’re going to take a break, is breaking up a little bit, should he call back in? Dahna okay, well, no, you don’t need to call back in scott’s, not that bad. Speak up, woman. We returned from the brake, just speak a little bit louder, and scott will be with us, and i hope you will be, too. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program listen to my show for ideas and information to help you live a healthier life in body, mind and spirit. You’ll hear from terrific guests who are experts in the areas of health, wellness and creativity. 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Email, how frequently is it? Ok, tio email are our list that this is surprising that of answers to that actually, johnny, you know, to do that nuclear monthly was kind of the norm and, of course, some of the something that is really coming by your budget because they’re all kinds of factors that come into play with costs of sending email newsletters. But that’s, not the question that you asked. Uh, frequency is really dependent on how frequently your topic you’re subject to your content changes and how frequently your leadership wants to hear from you way we’ve got a results of a survey that was done bye male chimp, which is a huge email provider. Yeah used that they found that email frequency as frequently as once per day. There’s not not unheard of. Now you have to understand that those kind of emails are typically the announcement. E mails like daily deal kinds of emails. So maybe a non-profit, uh, typical non-profit wouldn’t have that kind of frequency of updates, but it’s a matter of how much does the reader wants to know and help frequently? Do they want to know it? Ok, yeah, that’s interesting daily deal, of course, you know what, you’re getting there, and then obviously, they have content that changes every day, but then i think of the news sites i mean, i get daily emails from new york times and the chronicle of philanthropy, so yeah, it really does depend on what people are are expecting, i guess, right, exactly there’s also defense on allowing them to change what they get based on their desires. So someone may have signed up for daily and decided that they really don’t want to do what they want us weekly if you don’t provide an option than to change the weekly and their only option is to completely opt out, then that’s not a good thing. So you want to be able to let them choose what they want. Okay, um, how about a a call to action on your on your site? Yeah. Good point. Tony it in any site or any? Email or any news, weather or any actually any social media update. You want to have some kind of called action and whether that’s a sign up for our newsletter or get involved with thirty or, you know, talk to your friends about us, it doesn’t hurt, teo. Add something to that, i guess not every single instance of communication needs to have one, but certainly the website. If you’re looking at the front page of the website, there needs to be something on there that least requests people to take action or reminds them that they were not here. Just presenting information to you really, really want you to do something because as a nonprofit organization it’s our mission to do something, so remind them what that is, and so part of what you could be calling them to act on his become a volunteer. Sure, whatever the your current mission is, become a volunteer um, you know, become a what, whatever it is mentor um, i mean donations, obviously one of the main things that you don’t want to push too frequently, but sure do something i think is really the calm. What about staffing if this website is going to be freshened up, you know, every day or, you know, if it is going to become the block, which is the ideal, how are we going to get the these contributions on such a frequent basis that say on issue that almost every organization that updates there newsletters their websites or their social media on a frequent basis, faces and more and more, we’re seeing people, you know, go to professional sources for that let’s face it people that are running a non-profit if they’re paid staff, they have a job to do. It probably is not writing is not keeping up with social media, so finding sources for that kind of contribution become something that needs to go on, usually outside the organization, and it will be nice if those things were all free. But somewhere along the line, those things need to be paid for whether it’s in staff time where they made, you know, be not working on other tasks that they are actually being paid to do, or if it’s paying professional writers or professional people who do media updates to do that somewhere along the line, you know, somewhere along the line the money has to be spent in order to do that. We have just about a minute and a half left, and so i just want to touch on the new twitter organization pages, which you mentioned briefly up the top of the show top of the segment, but so in just a minute, we have left or so what? What what’s what’s new over a twitter i wish i could tell you more. I do know that they have organization pages, i have to assume that they’re very similar to latto facebook and email, i do know that they have one feature that i haven’t seen in other social media organization pages, and that is the ability to glue or pin a particular topic to the page. Most of the other ones you can see the page and you have the normal school of the updates that are going on, right, twitter apparently it’s it’s possible to take one piece of content and and stick it to the page with stays there, the rest of the flow of content goes on below that, but then you can change that so that becomes more or less a web page i guess okay, well, why don’t we have you back in january? To talk more about twitter organization pages has that sounds good? Give me a chance to actually find out what i’m talking about he’s got koegler is the humble but very well informed editor of non-profit technology news and of course, a regular tech contributor, and we’ll have you back in january to talk about twitter organization pages. Thank you very much, scott. Thanks, tony. I want to thank scott and also john hayden on dh. 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