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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Oh, i’m glad you’re with me. I’d come down with mette hemoglobin e mia if our conversation bled into why you missed today’s show, pay attention to n ten and auntie si the non-profit technology network and their annual non-profit technology conference are outstanding resource is for everyone who uses technology for social change and who doesn’t? You need to check out their excellent online and real time programs, affordable membership, smart conferences and great value, including for non members. Amy sample ward is our social media contributor and intends ceo of course i was just at and t c two weeks ago and that’s where amy and i talked also volunteer training long distance do you have volunteers who can’t always make it to your office? Bring your training to them. We’ll talk about learning styles on dh pros and cons of tools like mu tal, collaborate and teamviewer and the value of open source resource is that is also from ntcdinosaur on tony’s, take two blue pedicure challenge reduction we’re sponsored by pursuant full service fund-raising data driven and technology enabled you’ll raise more money pursuant dot com and by crowdster online and mobile fund-raising software for non-profits now with apple pay crowdster dot com here are amy sample ward and i from and t c just two weeks ago. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of sixteen and t c that’s the twenty six steen non-profit technology conference hosted by n ten, the non-profit technology network at the convention center in san jose, california, and with me now is amy sample ward, ceo of non-profit technology network. Welcome amy. Thank you for having me. Thanks for coming all the way to the show. Absolutely from from new york and north carolina. It’s ah, it’s. Always a pleasure to meet you in person. Yeah, do so we don’t get. Yeah, we don’t get to see each other in person very often. No, your voice is the same. Thank you. You sound like yourself. You think we’re highlighting one and ten swag item? Oh, and one ntcdinosaur ag item each interview, and right now, of course i’ve got my ten headband. You probably didn’t notice that i was wearing a amy suggested exercise video, so i could be doing i could be doing yoga or squat thrust, but we have a small lead us in some jazzercise. So i’m going to take this off now and added to the swag pile. We’re all the all the swag for the show goes okay, sixteen ntcdinosaur yeah, here we are. How we doing? Way we got it. We got two thousand people. Yeah, way exactly. It’s. I am surprising how many people two thousand is when it’s in one room. You know, i think in my mind, two thousand seems like kind of, you know, it’s a big conference, but it’s not a huge conference, you know, you hear about conference like dreamforce with, you know, sell by self. What, like an entire town is coming to this conference? So our seems so small and then, you know, and like in the morning planter everybody’s in there and you look at you like there’s, a lot of people here this is actually a pretty big conference. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Turns out there are a whole lot of people that want to talk about technology for use in their non-profit at a growing number every year. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, let’s. See? So, what are some highlights for people who are here? But of course they’re listening and tc conversation tonight there will be available starting tonight, and we want to even tease twenty seventeen. Yeah, we got twenty, five hundred people e like my overreaching twenty twenty. I don’t, i don’t think twenty five hundred. I mean, sure, you’re welcome to come, but i just think we’ll get there. No, i mean, our goal isn’t necessarily to try and grow in every year. We want to make sure we’re still serving everybody. So you’ll be ambitious and we’ll be conservative. Okay? Okay, yeah, i liked so, soldier were so highlights of this year. Well of you are on site. A couple highlights. You definitely need to make sure you go to selfie town selfie town and take some photos with the big t rex. Yeah, well, good. We can do a selfie and sell freetown unite, okay? And we’ve got i mean, all the session, all the folks that you’re interviewing there are over a hundred twenty sessions in three days. So whether you’re here or not, you don’t have to go for like, ten minutes into every single session every break out, teo, get all that content there’s what we call collaborative notes so they’re google docks for every single session where attendees in real time in the session take notes about what’s being presented so that everybody else can benefit from that knowledge even if you’re not in that room that we call them collaborative notes. But the links are just in the agenda online. So you khun browse through, see what people are writing down? Does that do this year? No, it’s not we’ve done it. We’ve done it every year for a number of years now because people like it so much, you know? They know, even if i don’t go to that session, i could just look up the collaborative notes and see what people wrote down. Yeah, exactly. And then it helps for folks who aren’t here to, they can see that, but i think even though you know, there are lots of different tools every year that people use people consistently use twitter the most of the conference, even if they’re not a big twitter user the rest of the year. So following the sixteen inches hashtag or every session has its own hashtag like sixteen auntie sees something, so if you see on the online agenda, even if you’re not here that you really want to follow that session, you know, just put that into a twitter search even if you’re not a twitter user and follow along. What what folks are saying? Because people post so you can’t read all of them all of the treats you have tio, you know, filter it out, but because i think that’s what’s different about the ntc people want to be sharing what they’re learning, you know or share what they know it’s not like, oh, i’m here to learn everything and write it down in my secret notebook, you know? Yeah, but intent is not like that either. Exactly. Well, look, by the way, let’s put a little shout out for another hashtag non-profit radio yes, i can’t say that we suffer from too much you can’t follow-up it’s not however i mean it does well it’s respectable hashtag yeah tech non-profit radio no intend intent is definitely a very collaborative sharing. I mean, even for non members. Yeah, you have a ton of content available, you know about the year. Exactly. Yeah. This morning at the plenary, i was highlighting one aspect of intense content. And today was the research that we do so five to eight reports every year some of those we do by ourselves because we just need them to happen on others we do with partners or sponsors. So them, the most recent report is the state of the cloud, which we’ve only done one previous time, and that was four years ago. And the difference between that report and this report is that now one hundred percent of people responding said they use at least one cloud tool, whereas that was not true four years ago. So looking now, okay, if we do that report again in a couple of years, what’s the difference, then everyone says they use at least to everyone, you know, clearly that’s the trend. So but all of that, i mean, that report and all of the rest of our research you can download even if you’re not remember. So go use that knowledge, especially if you’re trying to make the case to your board or to your staff that you want to change something the research is there to support better decision making and ten dot org’s because you don’t know now intent. This’s. Eventually i’ve been to your nine nine because i’m a member yet that i’m a donor. Yeah, in a nosey where’s, the you’re underpaid should be lobbying for double double n t e end. But it’s non-profit technology enterprise network that is the original name when we were incorporated by what happened to them. Well, i’m pretty sure that, like on day two, after having that name, enterprise didn’t make any sense. I don’t even know really what enterprise was meant. Teo really symbolize a lot of people, actually think, you know, just cause they haven’t looked up. R r incorporated name. Ah lot of people think the e stands for education, so we’ll get we’ll get people writing to us. Say, non-profit technology education network, which sounds great. It’s, not us. Maybe that is an organization out there, but yeah, do not donate to the non-profit technology. Education work, right? Yes. You want to give to end exactly the legitimate riel and ten? Yes. Okay. Just a little novelist thing about. Yeah, in the ensign history. Yeah. If antennas ever a category on jeopardy. That what does the e stand for? Could be one of the topics. Yeah, and you will get it right. Enterprise. A village, it times. You’re tuned to non-profit radio. Tony martignetti also hosts a podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy fund-raising fundamentals is a quick ten minute burst of fund-raising insights, published once a month. Tony’s guests are expert in crowdfunding, mobile giving event fund-raising direct mail and donor cultivation. Really, all the fund-raising issues that make you wonder, am i doing this right? Is there a better way there is? Find the fund-raising fundamentals archive durney martignetti dot com that’s marketmesuite n e t t i remember there’s, a g before the end, thousands of listeners have subscribed on itunes. You can also learn maura, the chronicle website philanthropy dot com fund-raising fundamentals the better way. Dahna okay, but no it’s very collaborative. Now, even, you know, if you’re not a member, you’re welcome tow to the to the club’s. Yep. Throughout all the way. Yeah, yeah, we have tech clubs that air in the u s in canada, in poland. Yeah, and if you want to start one wherever you are, happy to help you start one, even if you don’t intend member, even if you’re not in in ten member that’s. Wonderful. Yeah. Ok, so that so you’re fostering that kind of exactly hearing and this is no surprise. I mean, there’s, you see, you know, we’re not an association. We are a c three and we have a membership because for us, membership helps us know that we’re either on track or we’re not. If nobody wants to join anymore, then we’re clearly not delivering value. And if people want to join and they want to renew, okay, then we’re on the right path. You know, it’s an indicator for us, it’s, not our business. We’re not an association, and we’re never going to achieve our mission by saying everyone has to be a member, right? If if our mission is really that all non-profits are able to use technology to really do their work to really meet their mission. Well, we can’t say they all have to be members because then it’s gonna be even harder to reach an already impossible mission, right? We’re creating way too many barriers for ourselves. Yeah, actually, that’s what i admire about the organization i do embody that also where you share on non-profit radio month after month after month for three years. Now you kayman after that. You came after the hundredth show? Yeah. Hundred schnoll was your first. Yes, it was my very first. We’re coming up on three hundred this july. Yes. So that b two hundred sho? Yeah. Four yearsworth. Exactly. Yeah, and thank you. Thank you for giving me access to your stage. Yeah, very welcome. Anytime. Yeah. You’re going to stick it out through july, right? I think so. Yeah. Three hundred? Yeah. Six years. Okay. Back-up let’s say, you know, this is our opportunity, our annual opportunity. Tio recap. Inten yeah. Uh, right now we know the mission. Of what way do you want to become a member? He’s? Very like me to say affordable, yes. Very reasonably accessible, accessible. Yeah, like, yeah, it’s. Not cheap. Okay, yeah, we’re accessible. Yeah. Run that down. So if you are for the most common situation, is that a non-profit has less than five hundred thousand a year? Is your annual operating budget that the majority of non-profits non-profit radio listeners? Yeah, exactly. Yet. So it’s seventy dollars for a year for all of your staff to be that members all your staff, the whole organisation, as many people as you want to have joined. Exactly that. If you’re at that budget level that annual revenue with an annual budget of a half million dollars yellow as many people, you can stuff into a membership welcome for seventy bucks. Exactly. And you save three hundred dollars on all of those people coming to the ndc. Um plus, of course, there’s all the benefits he around, you know that aren’t just here at the ntc, you have access to webinars either at a reduced rate or for free. So for example, you were just on one of our ask the expert webinars and noser those air free. But they’re only open to members. So you get to talk to smart people like tony every month and ask question about all different topics on dh those have really spanned, you know, sometimes like yours was on podcasting, so much more niche, but then there’s others where they’ve been about, you know, finance or hr, what are the tools for that? What are the things i haven’t even been thinking i’m supposed to be doing? You know, all kinds of topics on dh, then outside of education discounts and auntie si discounts, members are promoted through all of our content channel, so you should be submitting a guest article for one of our topics each month. There’s a different topic on the website participating and research participating in tech clubs. You know, we want to make sure that if you are remember, we’re promoting you up and you’re getting access to leadership, you’re getting to be a volunteer and have you no access to new skillsets through that mean, really, we want to make sure if there’s something that we d’oh or something that we can do that helps you in your career were providing that avenue throughout town about thie over half a million dollars a year budget what’s the what’s the cost there for membership. Then the costs go up by your operating budget kind of level. So under five hundred above above that up to a million and there’s tears from there. But even the highest here, i believe, is three. Thirty five. Oh, my god. So even if you have millions and millions of position, right, three hundred thirty five dollars, right? So we’re talking. Yes. Accessible? Yes, exactly. All right. Well, should we? You know, we should, uh, a little more a little more about the ntc because we wait. We kind of glossed over where we’re sitting right now. Yeah, what’s coming up days two and three. So, yeah, so tomorrow we have at the plenary at least three different folks who are going to talk, you know, this morning we had ignites. So those air five minute kind of short conversations tomorrow are three key notes are going to have a really luxurious fifteen minutes to talk, and then we’re going to have a conversation together. And they’re all talking about different perspectives around digital equity. So looking at myths that we all may be ah participating in or believing when it comes to who is online, who has access to our beautiful emails were crafting every day, you know? And what does that mean as faras our own digital strategy for not thinking about who’s really trying to access our content? But we’re jumping all over, okay? And ten last year, this was an issue you and i talked about on the show was was encouraging. Uh, non-profits to do speak to the fcc to make comments about the deal was a digital inclusion actors so that’s that’s that actor’s past. We’ve passed that yet? Yeah, and we also last year had a report similar on a similar topic around digital adoption and whether organizations even saw themselves as part of that work, you know? So i think tomorrow will be a good kind of next next section of that conversation. Yeah, sensibility, but equity, exactly. Yeah. Accessibility, let’s make it right. Just because a library exists doesn’t mean we all have access to that library either, right or the times it’s open or the limited number of computers there, maybe. Or the bus fare to even go on our on the bus to get to. But, you know, all of these pieces contribute to us thinking, oh, everybody, you know, because this is san jose or because i live in portland and it’s a city everyone’s online, they’re not still write. So are different presenters were going to talk about some of those misperceptions both urban settings, suburban, rural settings, a cz well as larger systemic, you know? So who is making the tools we’re using that’s? Not necessarily all of us a right. So does that mean that they’re going to somehow make a tool? That’s really great for me if if someone like me isn’t part of that process, so just kind of raising a lot of questions, i think i don’t know that there’ll be a lot of answers tomorrow, but there’ll be a lot of questions on and then we’ll have a bit of a conversation. So i think that’ll be a good day, too. You know, the first day we got to feel things out, meet some new people. Tomorrow we can go a little heavy, and then on the final day on friday, we’ll have more of those ignite presentations. And the theme for friday’s ignite is it is oh, makers n p tech makers today was my blank career. Yeah. Yeah, makers. Friday, what’s makers, makers. So these are people who have made a tool there, people who have made a community there, people who have made something inspirational in their life. They ve made a physical space, you know, they’ve they i think folks are taking a pretty diverse definition. Turn on friday. Yeah, yeah, but i’ve had the opportunity to hear all of their talks ahead of time as they submitted their slides and came to rehearsal. And they’re kind of all over the place. It’s going to be great. Okay. Yeah. It’s ignite sessions, your slides move automatically. Your whether you’re ready for them to move or not. Right. Exactly. Every every how many seconds? Every fifteen seconds. Yes. All right. Yeah. You got to keep pace with your slides. Exactly. Your husband max, is stage managing. Yes. Oh, he’s there with a stopwatch, i presume. You know, wave automated that power but it’s every fifteen seconds. Yeah, exactly. And you know it’s surprising how much you can say in fifteen seconds if you planned for it. If you are someone who you know is going toe into it your way through your presentation you’re waiting for to slide, to pop up and then you kind of react to it. You will never stay out of it, you know? You have to have thought ok, i could only make one point per slide, right cause fifteen seconds. Just going to fly by. Yeah, ignite. Yes, yes, i think they’re a spectator sport. You know, that’s why? They’re great. That’s. Why? They’re great for the ndc. So what was the reaction today at the my blank career ignites? They were really great. They similarly, we’re kind of taking a few different paths. There were a couple folks whose ignite story personal story was more about, you know, reflecting back and thinking, oh, i actually have had a career, you know, first is all these different jobs that at the time felt like a totally different path every time i took the, you know, took a new job. Now, looking back, i can see there is a through line, right? And there was some sort of purpose to all of this on dh then and then a few folks talked about kind of challenges that they’ve had. So, you know, in my career have i made the right decision. Or was i really kind of living the values i said? I wass or was i kind of leaving people in the dust as i went through there? So i think there were some good contemplated sessions and some some funny ones, as people realised, you know, for example, molly. Her title was my cheese castle career, because in wisconsin, she worked at the mars she’s castle, and, you know, she learned some valuable career lessons while working in a cheese factory. So, yeah, we’re learning every day, exactly, exactly, technology. Wait, we should teo little more shout out about about intend, okay, the features of of what you’ve got going on, whether or not a member, you know what else is happening there. So i think some of the biggest stuff that’s goingto go on this year twenty sixteen wise for antennas where, where? Changing a bit of what we consider our educational programs and, you know, it’s twenty sixteen it’s pretty easy to come across a webinar on the internet, you know, and we’ve always held very high standards for content that was in a, you know, an online program like a webinar for ourselves, but that doesn’t mean anyone else knows that our standards air different than anyone else’s on dh. So what we’re going to do this year is change that focus and have it be really explicitly on training. So if you want to participate in a program with us, even if it’s a one time program there will be learning objectives, there’s, homework, there’s, riel, riel training that outcomes that, you know you’re getting on dh, that you can actually do a number of those and have them add up to a non-profit technology perfect. Professional certificate so if you complete enough programs in, you know, a year will be able to give you a certificate creating a sort of exactly and ten certification yet exactly. Oh, yeah, and that way, folks, you know, that we’ve heard from for years have who come to intend for training because a there’s nowhere else maybe that they thought they could go or was directly on the content that we had, you know, four non-profits on technology versus just maybe technology for anyone or more business focused, but also that there’s some sort of validation, they know these things, right? I mean, i think a very common story you’ll hear even at the anti sees that people say, you know, i was hired to do x i was hired to be the communications manager, but actually, i’m now in charge of our website, you know, i’m working with our advocacy team on all of our data management, and i want to prove that i have technical skills, even though maybe that hadn’t been written into the job description when i was hired esso i could i’ve either get a raise or maybe go to a different team or go to another organization, but i can’t i can’t prove i have those skills, you know, cause i don’t have my college degree in this topic, you know, tc conferences, right? Exactly. I yes, i have my own learning, but i don’t have a way of proving exactly what this is all led to exactly. Yeah, yeah. So that, you know, we’re not trying to say this is like your master’s program or anything exactly it’s professional certificate to help you have that proof that someone else can stand behind you and say yes, you know, tony really does know these things. Okay, you know, what is this certification called the non-profit technology professional certificate. Okay. Very aptly, yes. You know, i believe in naming things for what they are. No, you’re non-profit radio, you know, that’s what it is. Okay, so you haven’t rolled this out officially technically yet? No, we’ll be announcing it at tomorrow’s plenary. But, you know, the kind of shift in training away from more one time webinars that feel, you know, like you showed up. And then you left into webinars that have those riel learning outcomes. That’s that’s already kind of a shift. That we’re making in our scheduling and planning for all of our program’s going forward. So we’re going to see, like, two credits, this this will be we probably won’t call them credits no, because it’ll just be a class a program, okay, how do you how do you lead to you? How do you know what you need to do to get the certification? Ah, well, first it’s all on the website, but there’s a corps. So, you know, no matter what, you’ll take this kind of ten week, make sure you have skills across an organization, and then you just have to take five more more courses during the rest of the year. So you just pick oh, this one really interest me or i want to only do one on fund-raising because that’s, where i’m trying to prove i have these skills or, you know, so you kind of choose or they’re kind of like electives, you know, the rest of the time, okay? Yeah. Yeah, just one certification, not different tracks. So i know now is this ash, shepherds, department abilities and he’s education? Yeah. He’s, the education director. S o he’s. Certainly deeply involved, but like anything it in ten. This is every all hands on deck. You know, everybody controlled contributes yet exactly because at the end of the day, it’s going to take communities and take membership. It’s going take marketing. You know, everybody is gonna have to be a part of it being successful. Okay? Yeah, we have another couple of minutes to get. Okay, what else you want to shout out about and ten for twenty sixteen or maybe even ntcdinosaur nt s o the twenty seventeen ntc will be the same dates is this year, so you can go ahead and reserve on your calendar now, march twenty to twenty five. Just the you know, the full four days for however, everything that plan’s out so same dates and we’ll be in washington d c back at the gay lord where we were that we were we’ve never been at the gaylord. Where at the wardman park marriott wardman park. Oh, that’s. What? We were looking for something else. I’m sorry. No it’s. Okay. It wasn’t a competitor to intend. No worries on wardman park that’s where we were two years ago. Right it three years ago, however many years ago, it was yeah, for the fort fourteen. Auntie si for the fourteen. Because there’s. Sixteen and then we’ve got every three years. Yeah, back. Yes, yes, it was marriott wardman park. Cause i was shout out the beginning of the buy-in beginning of every interview. Sure, mary-jo? Yes, just okay. Okay. So that’s twenty seventeen, same dates. More? Yep. So, anybody just i mean, same processes every other year so anybody can submit a anti seizure shin idea. It could be a session that you want to present. It could be a session that you want to attend and you know, you’re basically saying, please, someone delivered this session for me because it’s what i want to learn on and that will open at the end of may, and that will be open for six weeks. So all the way through june and then in july and maybe a little bit and august, i think mostly in july is when everybody convert on sessions help filter down that list we normally have between four and six hundred submissions and there’s only going to be one hundred twenty, two hundred thirty on the agenda. So the voting really helps us. Yeah, and that that way by the fall we can say here’s the lineup and registration opens november first. Okay? Yeah. Twenty seventeen will there be? You think they’ll be anti seek conversation again next year was too hard to tell whether we’ll be. Yeah, i dont evening or converse is yeah, we don’t have a lot of knowledge as faras those services will be something they’ll be. Something goes you can’t go. Yes, exactly. There’s always something. Even if it’s collaborative notes there’s always something for folks who can’t come. Okay, yeah, i’m proud to be the host of ntc conversation. Yeah, everyone of the sessions at the end of the day is going to be uploaded yet on dh available on soundcloud on the ten sandorkraut account. Yep, exactly yet. And we’ll post them all on the ntc website on the ntc conversations page so you can just click right through the agenda. Okay, yeah, in the coming months, we’re all going to be out non-profit radio exactly as well. Every sample work it’s true. Yeah. I’m awesome. Thanks for having me. My pleasure always. Hey, twenty martignetti non-profit radio coverage of twenty sixteen non-profit technology conference the hashtag sixteen ntc thank you so much for being with us. Volunteered training long distance is coming up first. Pursuant their tools are made for small and midsize non-profits that’s why their sponsors? It fits perfectly. You choose what he works for you and leave the rest behind it’s like ala carte fund-raising management. Very simple. Check out the tools pursuant. 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Chad is director of development for the kneel squire society and ashley turner is communications manager at options for sexual health. Chad actually welcome. Thanks. Tulani. Pleasure. Pleasure to have you with unison. We’re in sync. So coordinated. Yes. Your session topic is here, there and everywhere. Distance volunteer training. Ashley, do we need to get our mind set first? Just being willing tto recognize that there’s value in doing training for volunteers? That is not face-to-face we just have to get our minds right first. Is that it? Yeah, i think we do have teo to adjust to it a little bit. It’s? Definitely not. Picking up emmanuel and reading it anymore. It’s definitely much more involved, but it also gives us the ability to do a lot of different things and made a lot of different learning styles. Yes, learning styles. Chad let’s. Say something about how do we know what different styles are out there among our volunteers? Yeah, so there’s in general, four types of learning styles, visual learners, auditory learners reading and writing and kinesthetic. The truth is, we all learn a variety of ways, but some people have preferences in town. They prefer to learn are they learned bath so providing things through mobile multiple modalities can help people learn retain better and so doing that to be a distance. Actually, some benefits because you had to newsome technology to, like, show video or play audio or have pictures a supposed to sometimes like face-to-face someone standing in front of you in the room. Okay, how dispersed are your volunteers at the kneel squire society? Their throat canada throw canada latto ours in our burnaby area, but our model provide has volunteers and clients. I can’t make it to her office, able to connect through ah live on one on one computer training, so it allows us to reach people that otherwise we won’t be able to reach in actually grows our impact with instead of having just people that come in her all this month. Monday to friday nine to five volunteers khun do their tutoring or training afternoons, evenings, weekends, whatever works best actually allows us they reach people that otherwise you wouldn’t okay actually options for sexual health. Are you canadian? Also? We are yes. Okay, are you equally dispersed or we’re not all across canada, we’re just in british columbia. We have sixty clinics that operate through a british columbia, and we have volunteers at about forty nine of those clinics. So we definitely do have a lot of geographic reach. Okay? And in terms of our volunteer training is this we’re doing this virtually ongoing is not just initial training, but is there a need for continue training as the person goes through the life cycle of a being a volunteer? Yeah, actually, yeah, absolutely. So right now what we’ve done is we have the online training that kind of sets are level one, volunteers up to b level two volunteers and after they’ve done the level to volunteer training than what they can do to continue their own education is participate in our webinars and our clinical webinars, as well as repeat the training in the future if they want to continue their education. Okay, what? What distinguishes that duvette levels? Yeah. What kind of question? So for us in our clinical setting level one volunteers to a lot of good men work. So they’re the backbone of the clinic there’s supporting the clinic. They’re providing any attention and support that our staff need our level. Two volunteers are providing contraceptive education training, so they are herbs. So i volunteered around the contraception with the clients that come in. So they’re providing the education for our clients. And with that, the training that we give them allows them to sit with the clients, provide the information, educate them. Okay. How about kneel, squire? What volunteers doing there? Yeah. It’s a very different from ashley’s works where they have people working in clinics. Love. Our volunteers are basic computer trainers, computer tutors. So the mount training we have is definitely not as long. Or his deepest ashley’s eyes more just helping people like use of the technology that used to set up and give them some teaching best practices, toe health um, being, in fact, impactful tutor. Okay, all around it. A technical learning. Yeah, yeah. So it’s and it’s really driven by what the person the disability wishes to learn. So perhaps i want to learn to how to use, like office or word or excel and that’s. Great. Maybe they want to learn how to use facebook to see what the kids are up to, our snapchat or whatever, right, so it’s really driven by like what their needs and their goals are, and then the tutor because it is one on one they work with, um ah, i’ve thrown pacing and see the screen from their screen. Um, connected them, and we’ll help, um, meet and work on their goals. Okay, all right. So let’s, talk about some of the strategies xero we all can benefit from and for virtual volunteer training. Who wants to start with some strategy ideas? Yeah, we talked a little bit about this in our session. Where there’s different tools, i can allow you to kind of help do others online. This is training. A lot of ours has done synchronously like through a webinar. So the volunteers that we’ve recruited come in. And we do an online training session with, um and it’s the same platform that they will then use when they connect two their participants there tutoring along the way. So there’s synchronised sort of learning that kind allows us to connect in real time to do some skilled developments of technical testing with the person. Make sure the computer is writing, enable and helping them the skills they need. Ashley has ah, different model that they do their volunteer to anyone. Go ahead. Yeah, so we use model, which is an asynchronous model. And basically, what we do with our volunteers is there’s eight weeks of training where they participate around two to four hours per week. And they are longing into this middle course so that they can read and view different videos and discussion forums and quizzes and journal post so they are very much involved in as charges, saying earlier we use different methods to kind of get the learning happening. Now i let chad slide on durney martignetti non-profit radio have jargon jail, let it slide on the secretive so you can you can get him out. Everyone may not know what on a secret his toys, i have to pass it back to chat. Sure you’re on top. Well, chad, get himself out. There we go. There we go. I document grieving climb out of it. Yeah. So synchronous would be, like, live real time learning. So like, for example, in education, that would be like you’re in a classroom together. So today we’re all doing this. So synchronous is like a live, real time sort of thing. So technology tools enable that might be like, ah, twitter chat might be ah, weapon are those would be like synchronous examples where asynchronous is sort of at your own pace or your own time. So if the synchronised is your classroom, asynchronous would be like your textbook but someone could work for. So the model platform that we both use but actually uses for volunteer training. It’s like a website. But bill specifically with learning places, pieces in place, right? So you can have a form or quiz, and that all comes as part of it. You just kind of literally click a button to add a new quays, and they start taking your questions for people along the way. So the best method really is a bit bland. Tohave, you know, some live face-to-face time to build some report, but also have some asynchronous things to support people to ganga with their own pace. The latto research shows that a blend of the both is really the magic sauce. Okay? And your session is going to be spent. Or you did send your special did it already. Pros and cons of different tools. Right. So, yeah, we talked that’s, let’s dive into boodle. Yeah, yeah. We talked a little bit about, like, volunteers and engaging volunteers that’s on the benefits of having a distance model and how it could grow your impact. And then we did talk about some of the different tools that we both use along the way. Model is an open source tool. I was free to download free to use our i pay for some of the host because i don’t want to worry about administrating a server along the way, but and it’s ah totally open. So we’ve done like a lot of customization at our work to try to make it more accessible to people, the variety, different abilities or disabilities we’ve built, like a scream leader for our site, we built a custom youtube player to allow it to be easy for someone as low vision doctor control the playback of the video, so we’ve done a lot of work try to customize it, to make it a simple and easy as possible for people to use and that’s the beautiful thing with open source is you kind of have you can tinker and play and adapt to meet your own personal needs. Ok, actually, what would you like to add about boodle? Yeah, one of the cons that we’ve been experiencing lately is we’re using an old version of mood or one of the cons. You’re one of the concerts that we’re using the old version, so we’re having some things that are starting to not work the way we want them to. So i mean that the pros of open source is that they’re amazing and you can customize them and you can make him do the things you want them to dio. But unless you have someone who is an expert on site upgrading them to the new version when the new version comes out could be a real challenge now, is that a cost? Reason is that why? Why you? Using an older version cost and time i would say the to kind of go hand in hand non-profit a lot of the time but absolutely it’s it’s a cost issue. It would cost time and money to get up to where we wanted to be so okay, yeah, okay. Anything more about boodle that we should share with listeners i want to get yeah, just like it. No one’s looking at building a learning platform i would say give it a shot. It’s used by over, like eight hundred thousand universities worldwide. The open university in the uk uses it and it supports over a million people connected to it on a daily basis. So it’s super robot! Some people have this misconception that always open source software is going to be flaky. This is this. Like rock star, six, super well supported by the community, their head office there in australia. But there’s. A number of, um, oodle connection, sort of communities around there that you support the australia. I don’t know about birth and the world. I love australia. One other thing i love. Australia doesn’t, but i do look now. Okay, so we have exhausted boodle anything more you want to share? My little quick thing to add is that our volunteers, regardless of kind of how tech savvy they are, they do, for the most part find model quite easy to navigate and quite easy to understand. We do have to give them a little bit of set up and support and getting used to it, but once they’re logged on the majority of them, do you find it quite easy? Deals for the interface is is good even for low, low tech sophistication. Absolutely. All right, another one you were goingto we’re going talk. Teo gotomeeting both using goto or no, i’m using another tool called blackboard collaborate on it’s a webinar tool very similar. I mean, i want to talk about gotomeeting oh, you’re taking over the show. I’m sorry i had to yours. Us what again? Blacks missed it so quickly. Yeah, very carefully. And latto the tool that i’m using is called blackboard collaborate. One of the reasons why we went with that tool is because its primary markets education, the united states education i states is like super well regulated around accessibility. So law of accessibility features that some of our users would need are there in that platform comparatives on the others that are on the market at the time when we chose that other tool, i’m sure things have evolved in the last few years. Um, and the other thing that with the r black or collaborate licenses, i can kind of set up infinite webinar rooms they haven’t synchronously. So i have, you know, an online career program that people in bc might be doing, and then that could have four five different webinar rooms where people are doing one on one volunteer training and then a wellness program we’re going on in the eastern side of the country allows me to kind of have one interface where can manage all these different rooms and tools, and and it works, you know, when it works, it works really well on this job of bass. So it works across platform. Is that is that open source also know is not open source? No, no, no, the open source of equivalent that is, uh, we’re going take a serious look at coming up is called big blue button. So is again a weapon. Our tool, but it is open source on dh. We’re starting to investigate that and attempt to kind of drive down costs. Actually, you are not using the blackboard collaborative. No, we’re not. We’re actually not using anything for our volunteers. Currently we are using go to webinar as something that our clinical department is utilizing for education purposes are volunteers do get to access those weapons, as i mentioned. But we’re not using it as a part of our training, training, training or? No, not yet. Okay. What other weather tools were you? Did you did you evaluate? Ah, when we looked at blackmore cola and going black were collaborate. We looked at about five or six other ones along the way. A lot of the weapon our tools are or were flash based use flash which for people with disabilities, especially the vision and disabilities. A screenwriter flash could be a real problem. Some flash is accessible, but a lot of them they just get like this. You know, there is an apple it here and have nobility that control. Click the buttons. No was going on at all. So for us, that really narrowed the scope quite. Quickly, um, when that is something, the tools are really not accessible toe portion of our users. Okay, why don’t you just name name you name a couple of them that you’ve got because others, you know, others may not have the disability population that you have. Yeah, yeah, one the ones we looked at was ah, adobe connect, um course, adobe flash based like, not not a big surprise there. Um, we did look at the goto webinar meeting, but i didn’t kind of have that like that back in ability to manage a bunch of different rooms and set it up. Um, i think what else we did look a big blue button when we chose black work elaborate, but it was very it was very new at the time, like it wasn’t polished, they know there’s a missing certain features at that time that have come along since then. Um, i’m not i i did try to use likes on google, plus hangouts that can i duck tape some skype sessions together sort of thing, but that i didn’t have this sort of a mean in the back and that, though one of the kind of quality control things that we have with the black work collaborate is all the weapon our sessions. We have set for one, one tutoring to record. So if ever there is a complaint like, hey, you know, he was offensive to me, or he wrecks something, our blob of law, we can actually look at the recording and for the investment to is great cause they could go back. They could wash it archives. So they showed him, like, oh, how’d they get my pictures off my phone? And what did i do when i’m missing? They can actually watch that recording of class of that learning material stays with them before. 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Dahna actually, you’re nodding a lot. That recording is important. We don’t actually do that. I’m just nodding because i think chad system is awesome. I think it’s, a really great opportunity for learning, so i’m jealous, just sitting over here, being jealous of that system, okay. Ah, what else you had, like, a ninety minute session? What else have i not ask you about? Actually any more tools that we haven’t talked about? No. Okay, if you were going to do like aa one toe one sort of tutoring again, the reason i chose weber thinks i fifth of multiple different learning programs. We haven’t organization. If you’re just going to a one to one tutoring, i think you could go with this guy sort of thing that another great tool is teamviewer it’s. Super low cost. It works like on your phone to connect or whatever. So, you khun connect on sloane’s computer pretty easily through that. So that that’s another to live sometimes uses back back and support in-kind of game thing. Set up a second cents on a length or they can kill, like click instantly. I can see their desktop of screen allows me to, like, fix their audio settings or, you know, once the spyware tools or whatever, like, try to get the computer. So it’s healthy enoughto tulani teamviewer teamviewer teamviewer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wait a couple more minutes together. What else? What else have i not ask you about that? You want to share around this whole idea of volunteer training? A virtual volunteer training? What else? We got it covered. I think i might have. Mentioned this a little bit, but just to expand on it. One of the riel awareness is i had when i was preparing our presentation was i was thinking about are we did a program evaluation in two thousand fifteen, and one of the things that came out of that is that a lot of our volunteers have said it would be really great to have a level one training similar to the level to training and there’s no specific training for level ones, and i went well, no, they’re actually is it’s just a emmanuelle that you’re not using, and it really spoke to the fact that when we have such a distance between us and when we have different sites in different locations and different staff members that are working with the volunteers in order to have consistency, having the online training is a really key piece of the puzzle for us, like having the ability to have everything connected, everybody connected to the same piece of the same time really gives the opportunity for the volunteers to be on the same page no matter where they’re located. Yeah, chad, this idea of connectedness totally, yeah, i couldn’t. Agree more, and it really allows, like to grow the impact of, like you’re working your organization, right? Not everyone that you want to serve or that could help you, and further your mission lives in a five minute drive or short bus ride away, right? So really allowed us to go from ah very successful award winning program was delivered at our office to something where doesn’t matter something disability isn’t able to get out of bed or that they live in a rural town and have difficulties. Transportation like we can really meet the person where they are through using these tools, right? And so it really grows are impacting allows us to in-kind scale at a really small cock, i felt like i was going to open a new classroom somewhere, you know, rent light internet like you knows tons of the cost of that right or for me to, like, deliver connected sametz computer home is, you know, just the price, my weapon or to one, it doesn’t cost me more to add another weapon, our room, right? So it really allows us to scale or impact at minimal to no additional cost kottler let’s talk. A little more about something you mentioned earlier. If you’re around open source that it’s not gonna be reliable, whatever it is sabotaged, you know, wherever deep fears run, where can we lay some of these concerns? Yeah, i’ma hoping that that that’s been put to rest those promotion, every web server runs on a limb it’s background, a tip ashy, both open source tools. You know, it’s an allows things to grow beyond the control of one sort of corporation. Anything along the way, right? The world is big and beautiful, there’s lots of smart people that contribute add things along the way. So i personally feel that when you close your walls, you’re closing yourself to innovation and and to the community. Right? So it doesn’t dahna it’s a model that i prefer to support, the open sources, can i connect people to grow and there’s created huge culture like around model. There are tons of different plug ins that people have built along the way is with learning management piece is like solid and totally works. You could build things for it. We built and releases shared les screenwriter so, like, if you get anyone can add it to the site and it just allows you got texas page there’s a play but beside it so you can listen to it. So that means different learning styles, different disability needs and sometimes, like, you don’t really want to read like the twenty pages again, like, just play any kind of listened through it, right? So that’s, just like one examples on that we’ve built it was a huge community that built like different sort of layers for the pages are different toolbars, so it really allows things kind of grow abandoned and meet more people’s needs as well. So actually open source, you’re you’re a fan so far. Yes, i have to admit i’m very new to kind of a lot of the tech things and i’m not very tight check knowledgeable, but what our experience with open source has been has been fantastic and as somebody who is relatively new to the to the tech side of things, i look at it as something that is easy to customize and therefore easy for us to learn and adapt and get what we need out of the open source dahna it’s actually valuable, you know that you’re not you don’t have a tech the tech background yet. It’s. Not anxiety producing for you, you know you’re not. You’re not afraid of it. No. Like a minute left. What do you want to leave people with around this idea of virtual volunteer training? Actually, what do you want to wrap up? Our volunteers in our organization are the most valuable asset that we have their amazing, and they deserve to have the best opportunity to get the training in the knowledge and the education, and we feel that providing it through technology has really benefited our volunteers. Yeah, i would say in doing some things online, you can actually do things that you totally couldn’t do, like in a classroom like having ah, pulling on there are having that sort of recording and playback having options to kind of share screens are too around websites the chat box, right? Like, you know, when you’re in your typical class was like i don’t pass notes that’s totally flipped in a webinar like there’s a chatterbox, and i encourage people like to share our comment and how they feel comfortable, right? Maybe someone doesn’t feel comfortable like having their voice heard, but the type of messages feels safer for them, for whatever reason, our love like a lower buried entry, so a lot of people think. That all you know, when you start introducing technology on going at a greater distance that you, you’re losing something, but i think you’re also gaining a lot along the way and opens a lot of possibilities. Just tell me, what do you love about the work that you’re doing? Um, i will well, i’ll give you the short version, but when i was going to university for computer science, it came apparently pretty quick that was never going to be the smartest nerd in the room at all, so i had the opportunity to do like a summer internship at the kneel squire society, and and that really resonates me. We’ll have the opportunity used technology to kind of help people along the way, and i’ve had loss of amazing opportunity to kind of do that in other settings. I’m on a couple different boards now that how technology helping education helped run a local group of vancouver that helps non-profits use technology so falik technology can help people and change lives is like a really sweet spot for me to kind of use that nerdy part of my brain. I don’t want to be a coder and a cubicle for the rest of my life but helping people and helping the allies to technologies, presidents latto actually, what do you love about your work? I started as a volunteer with the organization. I fell in love with the organization and with our mission in her vision and just want to keep working towards making a sexual health accessible to everybody. Nbc and our volunteers. They’re such a crucial part of that that i’m glad to support them in any way that i can. All right, you’re both making a big difference. I think you’re part of it, right? You’re in it every day. Thanks. Thanks for your time, tony. Thank you. Chad. Chad lehman, director of development of kneel squire society and ashley turner, communications manager at options for sexual health. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of twenty sixteen non-profit technology conference. Thank you so much for being with us next week. Eight areas of non-profit excellence from the non-profit coordinating committee. If you missed any part of today’s show, i rebuke you. Find it on tony martignetti dot com. I think once per show is quite sufficient for ah, for the singing, i’m still very conflicted. We’re sponsored by pursuant online tools for small and midsize non-profits data driven and technology enabled pursuant dot com, and by crowdster online and mobile fund-raising software for non-profits. Now with apple pay crowdster dot com, our creative producer is clear. Myer half sam lever, which is the line producer gavin dollars, are am and fm outreach director shows social media is by susan chavez. 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