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Jacqueline Copeland & Valaida Fullwood: Black Philanthropy Month
BPM 2020, in August, examines how all forms of funding can advance the economic justice so essential for racial equity. My guests are BPM founder Jacqueline Copeland and co-architect Valaida Fullwood.






Gene Takagi: Collaborations: MOU To Merger

Gene Takagi

Gene Takagi is seeing more interest among nonprofits in exploring co-ventures of some sort. We talk through how to start that journey internally and externally, and what form your collaboration might take. He’s our legal contributor and principal of NEO, the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations Law Group.






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on Welcome tony-martignetti non profit radio big non profit ideas for the other 95% on your aptly named host. Oh, I’m glad you’re with me. Id. Bear the pain of familial, benign Pem Fergus If you got under my skin with the idea that you missed today’s show Black Philanthropy Month BPM 2020 in August examines how all forms of funding can advance the economic justice so essential to achieve racial equity. My guests are BPM founder Jackie Copeland and co architect Valetta Fulwood. Also, collaborations MoU to merger Jean Takagi is seeing more interest among nonprofits in exploring co ventures of some sort. We talked through how to start that journey internally and externally, and what form your collaboration might take. He’s our legal contributor and principle of neo. The non profit and exempt organizations Law group on Tony’s Take Two planned giving accelerator were sponsored by wegner-C.P.As, guiding you beyond the numbers wegner-C.P.As dot com by Cougar Mountain Software Denali Fund. Is there complete accounting solution made for non profits tony-dot-M.A.-slash-Pursuant Ger Mountain for a free 60 day trial and by turned to communications, PR and content for nonprofits, your story is their mission. Turn hyphen. Two dot ceo. Here is Black Philanthropy Month. It’s my pleasure now to welcome Jackie Copeland and violate a full would to the show. Uh, anthropologist Jackie Copeland is co founder of Pan African Women’s Philanthropy Network, a global association of African descent, and allied women leaders, donors and activists of all backgrounds. Idea Whisperer. Wait, no, there’s more to say about Jackie. Sorry about that. Jackie founded Black Philanthropy Month in 2011. She’s founder and CEO of the Wise Fund, promoting human rights through equitable funding and technology towards a just society and sustainable planet. It’s at the wise fund dot, or GE, and she’s at Jackie Be Copeland Idea Whisperer. Valetta Fulwood has a client base that ranges widely and her interests center on social innovation in philanthropy, education and the arts. She helps people and organisations Dr Bold ideas forward by guiding their projects and by writing their stories. She’s at Valetta dot com v a l a i d. A. And at Valetta F Jackie Vallejo Welcome. Welcome to non profit radio.

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Thanks me.

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Absolutely pleasure to have you, Jackie. Let’s start with you. You’re the founder of Black Philanthropy Month. What’s it all about?

[00:07:00.44] spk_1:
Well, um is inspired by all of the diverse people I’ve worked with from the U. S. African Americans, but also to black diaspora worldwide for 30 years. And it’s clear that people give and give abundantly, but often do not fully recognize the power and impact of their individual giving and don’t even necessarily see themselves as philanthropists. So it was specifically inspired in 2011 by a very diverse group of black women in Minneapolis. At the time, it had the most ethnically diverse black population in the country, and everyone was giving. There were ancient giving circles that were being replanted and adapted to the U. S. All kinds of social enterprises. And I became like the pro bono adviser, and I knew it would be powerful. Even I knew all these women, but they didn’t know each other. And at the time I was teaching philanthropy at the University of Minnesota, which hosted the formation of this this group Pan African Women’s Philanthropy Network that I started and based on that experience, I thought it would be helpful if there were actual month where we step back. Ah, as a global community and recognize are giving is import and how to do it better, better and more collaboratively so that we can have a greater influence on the social and economic and environmental challenges that face black people wherever they are on the planet. So that was the genesis of it. It was also inspired by the U. N. Had an international decade for people of African descent. Also recognizing that there were these common, this common threat of history in common challenges that require more visibility and social action. It became a decade recognizing, um, people of African descent. And so now the U. N has recognized black philanthropy mom as an important pillar in um, acknowledging a celebrating black culture globally and now third, I think 30 plus different government entities from cities, towns and states have recognized Flat Philanthropy Month, and I think we’ve counted 17 million or so people engaged so far. So it’s becoming a global movement, which is part of what I was hoping for. But Valetta will tell the story of how they she got involved, and there’s another woman who couldn’t make it today who I always want to acknowledge. Tracey Webb, who was a pioneer in her own right. She created the first black philanthropy blogger I’ll call Black Gives Back. And she also is the founder of a prominent giving circle called Bled Black Benefactors. And so that’s kind of the story that was me as founding it. And I, um, for three years was doing it, um, largely alone and with some of the women from Minnesota and inflate a in Tracy.

[00:07:06.43] spk_0:
Okay, a poignant that it’s founded in Minneapolis.

[00:07:10.94] spk_1:
Uh, yeah, for obviously genesis of our whole reasons. Yeah,

[00:07:15.70] spk_0:
Genesis of our old racial conversation. Now, after the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

[00:07:35.28] spk_1:
Well, Minhas Minneapolis is a unique place where the best the greatest social challenges of America and some of our best opportunities are sort of concentrate it. And so, as I look back, is not surprising that this new phase of the global racial justice movement would have come out in Minneapolis

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before we turn to Valetta doing Do you know the the impact of the rough dollar amount of black philanthropy in recent in last year? 2018?

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Well, there haven’t been studies recently. Eso Most of us are citing data from 2000 and 14 and for about 20 years there’s been research on US black philanthropy, and all of it confirms that African Americans continue to give the highest proportion of their income to philanthropy, and that’s even in recessions and effect. Our philanthropy goes up in a recession.

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There are

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always communities. Philanthropy goes down in a recession, but for a lot of cultural reasons, and people don’t realize this is like a hardwired part of the culture is how you become grown and recognized as an adult you have causes

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does. It doesn’t

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start ever amount that you are giving to and supporting with your time, talent and treasure as part of being black.

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[00:10:02.24] spk_1:
It has his roots in churches, but in part because the church is such an important social institution in our multi century history in the US But if transcends churches, it is also a voluntary associations is wherever two or more black people are gathered, they figure out something to give

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to, however later. Lett’s bring you in. Um, if you wanna talk a little about the black philanthropy months. But then I also want to talk about the summit that kicks it off on on August 1st.

[00:12:44.77] spk_2:
Oh, yes, great. So I was there in 2011 in Minneapolis when Jackie convened the Pan African Women’s Philanthropy Summit and um was really elated when she announced August is Black Philanthropy Month, in part because at that same time, I had just finished on my manuscript for the book, giving back a tribute to generations of African American philanthropists, and the book was gonna be released in October. So this convening in August in Minneapolis was some timely and to be gathered with other black women from across the globe to learn and also to share about. My forthcoming book was, um, really It’s for inspirational and just great timing. So I continue to follow Jackie’s work with black philanthropy months as I rolled out the book and engaged in book talks around the country. And then in 2000 and 2013 I reached out to my friend Tracy Web, which Jackie Jackie mentioned earlier. And Tracy had a huge following with her Blawg like It’s back dot com and also was building a network through my work around the book and thought, Hey, you know, we can really amplify and magnify black philanthropy. It’s the three of US war to join forces and use our respective networks and collective networks. Teoh, you really take Black Follansbee months to another level. So I reached out to Jackie, pitched the idea, uh, which I thought was pretty awesome. But I really hope she might see the same. And she was gracious and oh, saying yes to women that she only knew slightly and, um, when we rolled out, let Philanthropy Month in a new way, particularly leaning on social media engagement and our connections there. It really did take off and go to a whole, another level nationally and globally, which gave us a glimpse into the possibilities. So ever since then, we’ve been working in collaboration.

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Was just saying, I’m looking forward. Next year’s your 10th anniversary,

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you got

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way. I believe it because let’s just say this has been a labor of love and our own pocketbooks, Okay, because, um, this is not, Let’s just say this is amount of money making enterprise, but it is just there so much challenge in our community. And a lot of the media only reports what’s wrong with us. And as a social scientists and activists, I committed myself focusing on what’s right with us. So look over a week, and that’s what philanthropy is. And I forgot to mention you ask, how much for African Americans is at least $12 billion a year? Okay. And some people count the Remittances of African immigrants

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right going

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because a good portion of those gold to build schools and for healthcare scholarships, and so that’s $11 billion. Just so we’re talking about just the us $23 billion nobody has a true global number. That would be a great research project. I’m working on a proposal for it. I hope somebody funds it because you really do need to know globally, how much by country and then on aggregate global level is black black giving

[00:14:14.74] spk_0:
later. How about the summit that kicks off Philanthropy Month, August 1st black giving and beyond Virtual summit? Tell us,

[00:14:23.48] spk_2:
Yeah, we’re thrilled about it. It was Jackie’s brainchild that she shared with me and Tracy, I think, late last year, and we’ve been building on it again. It was before the pandemic before the outcries against racial injustice, but it seems right on time. So the idea is to host a global virtual convening on a high tech event platform that invites participation from all across the world. And we have, ah, really stellar lineup of speakers and Panelists, and discussions will focus on how we can aggregate funding and resource is in capital to help in the recovery and rebuilding of black communities. In the wake of these twin pandemics. As Jackie often says, any black racism and Corona virus

[00:15:21.78] spk_0:
info info on all this is that black philanthropy month dot com, right?

[00:17:06.79] spk_1:
Yes. Please. Thank you. We want to commercial. We want people to people to go to black philanthropy month dot com Learn about this summit and register and under build on what violator was saying We’re trying very. We missed being able to come together in person. I mean, I think that is one of the most difficult aspects of this whole Corona virus period. So we’re trying our best to simulate a, um a real life in person conference environment with this platform there. Four days August 1st is to kick off with Soledad O Brien Bakari Sellers, Benjamin jealous and a activist on racism and technology named Joy Belluomini. Um and then all his fourth and fifth are in Africa. We have the Kim Daymo Trumbo as a keynote speaker, along with a very prominent philanthropist named I Show Mohammed or you’re both day. Ah, and then we are having on August 29th a women’s rally and that will be headlined by some of the top women leaders of philanthropy. Like most communities, black women do a lot of the heavy lifting for giving funding, care giving, and let’s just say we’re under some really special stresses in this Corona virus period and with this severe economic downturn has got 20% at least 20% black unemployment, 40% of our small businesses, clothes closing and 1/3 of all Corona viruses. The virus deaths in the US are black on a lot of that

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is proportionate again.

[00:17:32.21] spk_1:
Yeah, a lot of that care giving and community giving falls on us. So we’re trying to also revive our ideas in our spirits through this entire summit. Siris for four events Let’s let’s talk

[00:18:03.91] spk_0:
some about some of the racial inequities around around broader philanthropy. I know black flan. Three month is devoted toe elevating black philanthropists and funders and investors. But I want to go a little broader and talk about some of those inequities in philanthropy generally. And, of course, you know, tie it to the the conversation that we’re all having about systemic, institutionalized racism. What’s the, well, the later listed contento? Later for Okay, please.

[00:18:52.34] spk_2:
Yes, The data says that roughly 2% of ah foundation funding from the country’s largest funders go directly to black led organizations and black communities, which is, you know, really shocking figure when I first learned of that. And so that is evidence of the chronic underfunding and also some of the racial bias that exists. The conscious and unconscious bias that exists in the philanthropic realm and black philanthropy Months and discussions at the summit are all centered around, uh, making things right and more equitable, and just in the philanthropic and just general funding round. So,

[00:18:53.18] spk_0:
Jackie, what’s the what’s the role then of black philanthropists and and funders, et cetera, In bringing about that change,

[00:20:58.39] spk_1:
right? Well, I want to note that the reason the summit is called black giving and beyond is we realize that there are Eddies and equities that we have to talk about our own philanthropy, our own giving his black people. But we also have to talk about the responsibility of institutional philanthropy to our community and address some of these longstanding disparities are delivering. In 19 eighties, when we were when I first started, we grabbing the same conversations. It is like deja vu all over again, cause it hasn’t gotten that much better. And so, um, philanthropy is a key piece of it, but with the figures, I just shared with you around Really, the decimation of black communities in this cove it era is going to take more than fully. And the truth is, when we look at social investment and venture funding, we get about 1% of those funds as well. So there is just there’s a problem with private sector funding toe black communities, whether we’re looking at philanthropy or business funding, and our nonprofits and our businesses have to be strong to rebuild what we’ve lost. Win had it much anyway, and we’ve lost so much just in the recession has just gotten started that this summit is inviting philanthropists. Community and institutional toe have this question discussion about equity, but also VC funders and social investors. And so, in fact, every session we have tried to have health care expert who can talk about the impact of Corona virus, but also institutional or community philanthropy and activist as well as a V, C or social investment funder. And so our model, our hashtag we have a couple of them. We call ourselves the Fund Black Summit. That’s our nickname and black funding matters. And in that statement is not just philanthropy. Of course, that’s that’s what’s driving us. It’s part of our culture. But our for Ray into the social justice movement, our current racial equity movement is to say, Look, there’s a serious problem with funding overall, what are we going to do about it?

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And so you need to be talking and not just you. We all need to be talking beyond the black philanthropy and funding and investing community. I mean, you do

[00:21:35.55] spk_1:
you want me? Oh,

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you won’t be talking more much more broadly because every $3 billion is sizable, although, you know, roughly half of that is leaving the U. S. We have is valuable, which has its as its place. But but roughly only half is staying here. And in the big scheme of of giving, you know, that’s a that’s a small amount. So

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in the big scheme of get funding, we’re talking trillions when you air in. I’m venture funding and you add in social investment. And so we really are talking about how do black folks get fair Access to the capital doesn’t necessary to sustain any people or community. And so it’s an economic justice summit as well, and we hope that the practical outcome and belated alluded to this is the’s on just fund black new black funding principles that include philanthropy but moved beyond it to ask the hard questions of veces Why do you have why is it OK to funding young man who dropped out of college and had a good idea but has no track record? Give him millions and millions of dollars and dope hold him accountable for it. But then you can have Ivy League educated black business leaders who have created a profit proven themselves, and they have to jump through all kinds of hoops because of this hoops on

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fire at that.

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Now this implicit bias you have around how women can’t do certain kind of business or how you know black people aren’t good with numbers, even though people aren’t doing that on purpose. That that’s what implant implicit bias is sure, Um, and it really has an impact in our communities. Folks in Minneapolis, we’re saying we don’t own anything. We can’t own it. We can’t own our businesses. We can’t on the house because of the price of living. When you have a whole group of people who feel like they have no stake in the future of the community and the country cause they can’t get fairness is back for democracies. That’s what we’re partly up to. Yeah, later you have Valetta Door has something to add to that

[00:24:36.91] spk_0:
I was gonna go. I was going to say bad. It’s devastating way We were nowhere near realising our full potential as a country where, what 1/4 of the population is It has just been victim to institutionalized structures, processes racism times Well, 400 years if you want. But certainly I’m thinking even just of more modern times. But, you know, of course, the tragedy goes back. 401 years were nowhere nowhere near reaching our potential as a country. When when that kind of that kind of proportion of the population is not ableto not able to achieve what the other 75% can. Yeah.

[00:25:46.04] spk_1:
Yeah, And I think that George Floyd video as tragic as it is and I still haven’t seen it because I don’t have the emotional I can’t really say I will not see it because I know it. I live in I can’t see it and continue to focus um but I’m glad the world saw it. And it was a very, very brave young woman. Darnell afraid her in Minneapolis recorded it because I think it was a wake up call for the country on the planet. Look, something is seriously wrong. We can’t just keep our heads in the sand and say that, you know, we’re often told. Well, you got a chip on your shoulder. That was the old days. The civil rights movement has come. You have overcome. But that could have been that could have been President Obama. I hate to say it. It could have been any black man or woman with the U. S. Who was subject to that kind of treatment that our education levels are. Achievement are meritocracy does not protect us or give us equal. It’s all off my soapbox. But you asked.

[00:25:48.77] spk_0:
All right, put Europe. Now I put you up there. I want to hear it. Yeah,

[00:27:26.64] spk_2:
Particular points I wanted to add about the summit specifically is one point we always like to make. While liberation is not free, the summit is so it is open to the public and free to register. I’d also like to emphasize the global aspects of it. As Jackie mentioned, It’s a summit series that kicks off, kicks off on August 1st and continues on the 4th 5th and 29th. And I think, um, you referenced 16 19 and the 400 now 104 101 years of documented black life in America. And the fact that this summit is inviting a global conversation I think is significant, particularly at at a time when black people all over the world are recognizing. Or, uh, I guess that we know. But their headlines and media stories from China to Europe to, you know, here in the States and Brazil about anti black racism and the disparities in health and economics that exists. And so we all recognize our connections wherever we are. And there’s also the fact that, um, kind of the the year of the return that 2019 marked for many of us. Many, like people and families, return to Africa to connect to their roots. Um, ancestry dot com and other DNA testing companies have made popular people finding their roots and tracing it back to Africa and being curious and interested in reconnecting with communities there. So the fact that this year’s BPM has ah, very specific global focus and invitation is a significant variety ways. And so we’re excited about that.

[00:29:34.11] spk_1:
Yeah, I will say that the black I asked for was always involved in part because of those Minneapolis roots there were when Minneapolis had, at the time, the largest populations of Liberians and Somalis and Kenyans in the U. S. And they were. It’s still our cause. That coalition is still alive and, well, part of this coalition of women. Um, that put on the first summit. Okay, but now actually having an Africa base, especially for like, for me as an African nous anthropologists focusing on Africa and a diaspora it’s sort of our track into the global economy as well. Global economy. Israel You can’t just focus on your backyard. We all have to figure out how to collaborate across borders is just and do business. And so it is really, um, an act of also, um, not just solidarity for practical economic empowerment. We’re asking the question. How could we support each other’s issues? No matter where you go, black women tend to have the highest rates of maternal mortality in their communities. And that’s triple in Africa that strictly Europe. That’s true in the U. S. S. So there are these global questions about our future, and we can Onley come up with the answers is if we’re collaborating across the lines of national origin, ethnicity, religion, and we define ourselves in many ways, just like Asian or Jewish people. There’s a lot of diversity within. Diversity is beautiful to bring it all together in this summit experience.

[00:30:13.70] spk_0:
Are we gonna leave it there then? All right, that’s beautiful. Wrap up Black Philanthropy Month Black Philanthropy month dot com kicks off August 1st we all well, we all are wanted to participate. We all are sought after so black philanthropy dot com We didn’t say it, but I’ll just shout out quick. The theme for this year’s Black Flam three month is Foresight 2020 which is cool. That’s very good. Thank you very much. Jackie. Jackie Copeland. You’ll find her at the Wise Fund dot or GE and at Jackie, Be Copeland and later Fulwood Valetta dot com. And at Valetta F Jackie Valetta. Thank you very much.

[00:30:21.39] spk_1:
You can tony and later

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we need to take a break. Cougar Mountain Software. Their accounting product Denali, is built for non profits from the ground up. So you get an application that supports the way you work that has the features you need and the exemplary support that understands you. They have a free 60 day trial on the listener landing page at tony-dot-M.A.-slash-Pursuant non. Now it’s time for Tony’s Take two. I’m very proud to announce the launch of planned giving accelerator. This is a yearlong membership community where I am going to teach you everything I know about how to start and build your planned giving program. Just like this show. It’s designed for small and mid sized nonprofits. I’m gonna produce an exclusive podcast for members. Exclusive. Webinars. We’ll have asked me anything Sessions on Zoom in small groups. There’s gonna be a Facebook community that’s private. Just for members will have all kinds of resource is checklists, templates, everything you need, and I’ll share everything I know on how to start your planned giving program. It’s planned giving accelerator go to planned giving accelerator dot com. You’ll find all the info there. That’s where you sign up to join the membership. Our yearlong membership community. I hope you’ll join me if you don’t have a plan to giving program. This is the time to get started. You’ll pay a lot less for a full year. Then you’d pay to work with me directly in just a month. Everything you need is that planned giving accelerator dot com that is Tony’s Take two Now. Time for collaborations. Mou to merger It’s my pleasure to welcome back Jean Takagi. It

[00:32:38.49] spk_1:
always is. You know

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him. He’s our legal contributor and managing attorney of Neo, the non profit and Exempt Organizations Law group in San Francisco. He edits the wildly popular non profit law blogged dot com, and is the American Bar Association’s 2016 outstanding non profit lawyer. He’s a part time lecturer at Columbia University. The firm is that neo law group dot com, and he’s at G Attack. Welcome back to the show, Gene. Always a pleasure to see you.

[00:33:07.84] spk_3:
Thanks so much. Great to see G tony

[00:33:10.02] spk_0:
doing okay out in California. So

[00:33:11.80] spk_3:
I am thinking Okay. Um how about how about you?

[00:33:15.04] spk_0:
Yes. The beach on the ocean are still across the street from me, so I mean,

[00:33:19.09] spk_3:
that’s fantastic. Very angry.

[00:33:26.34] spk_0:
I wake up every day with a notion across the street. And how bad can it be? Thank you. Yeah, I’m doing fine too. Thanks.

[00:33:29.64] spk_1:
So we’re talking

[00:33:58.99] spk_0:
about, um, you know, joining forces on and there’s Ah, there’s a broad spectrum of possibilities that this can take on, but without getting too technical on before we get to some of the summit of possibilities, you’re seeing an uptick in your practice and research is showing their stats. They’re showing their arm or not profits considering or exploring some kind of collaboration. You know what’s going on? What are you seeing?

[00:35:42.54] spk_3:
Yeah, and, um, I appreciate kind of being able to tell you that I’m doing well, but I know that there are a lot of people out there that are going through some pretty tough times right now, and there are a lot of organizations that are going through some very tough times, and that’s definitely not restricted the for profit sector. It’s hitting the nonprofit sector very hard right now as well. On top of that, the demand for many non profit service’s are higher than ever, as a lot of people are struggling through these times, so, yeah, non profits are getting hit hard on the revenue side. They’re getting hit hard because of the man, for their service is on their limited ability to deliver them with all of our shelter and place orders. So, through all of that, um, you know, there have been some conjecture that that many, many nonprofits are not going to survive. Over the next year on, we’ll see the loss of many nonprofits. And there’s this desire that many of these nonprofits air serving communities that are not getting the attention that they might from larger, stronger, financially organizations it might go under the radar and looking to see how their programs and what they’re trying to do is going to fit in. And in this time, where we’re also seeing this huge movement towards greater equity, racial equity, social justice, picking up these small nonprofits and their programs, and saving them so that the beneficiaries who are most impacted by the pandemic and all of the associate ID bad things that happened around it has become important. So nonprofits were struggling looking to save programs may be looking for some sort of collaborative partner to help them through and some of the bigger funders and bigger organizations are saying yes, we want to do more of these severely impacted communities that we’re not reaching as much as you know, some of these smaller organizations are. We want to collaborate with them and keep those service is alive.

[00:36:28.23] spk_0:
So if if we feel like we’re in that boat, uh, I mean, I guess it could be either were way. You feel particularly, um, strong in our community, or we feel like we’re at risk and vulnerable in our community. Um, where would we start this? Where would we start the possible collaboration conversation? We said we start internally. I’m sure what? What we need to be talking about among our C suite and are board.

[00:37:59.43] spk_3:
Yeah, it’s a great question. And hopefully there’s a sense or ready with some organizations that you do know your allies in the space. They may not exactly overlap with you. Probably they shouldn’t, you know, for reasons of competition. But you generally know who your allies are, and I’m marrying you. Want to call collaboration? If you want toe equated to a marriage in some form, you don’t want to marry a total stranger. There’s, um, a huge risk to that. But if you do know some organizations out there that are allied with you, um um, or if you go to your community foundations if you kind of know about them but don’t really haven’t inside sort of a deeper relationship with with some of their key stakeholders and board members and C suite officers getting introductions from community foundations from large funders who being be funding multiple organizations in the same area. That’s kind of how how I would start to get started. Teoh first have the executives start to just talk about it in general, hopefully from a position not like a urgent panic, Um, but from a position of well, let’s see how we can best serve our communities that we’re both trying to do well it and do it in the best way possible.

[00:38:53.57] spk_0:
I read an article that you suggested, written in response to ah question that was submitted by a museum that was on the stronger side in the community and wanted to open conversations but didn’t want to appear predatory. And as I said, you know, there are there are a lot of ways to work together short of merger. There are different, just sort of service agreements and mutual understandings could be a contract or that’s legally enforceable or not. But there are a lot of different ways to work together. So at this early stage, you’re just asking or inviting. No, we all know that we’re struggling. Would you be open to, ah, a conversation about how we might work together, how we might collaborate to serve the community in this, you know, increased time of need.

[00:39:17.03] spk_3:
I think that’s exactly right, tony. And the greater emphasis that you could put on your common missions and forget about, at least in the initial discussions, forget about, like, power dynamics and all of that. But just go in two people talking about their organizations and what they’re trying to do to strengthen their communities and say, What are we trying to do? Where are risks to those communities? How is our missions are common mission at risk? And what can we do? The best address that as we’re facing these unprecedented forces right now, um that are really hurting on the communities were trying to serve and could eventually you’re gonna enter into the discussion that it could, you know, possibly, uh, cause a cut in service is or possibly three eventual shutdown of a program or a worst case, the dissolution of an organization. And I wouldn’t lead with that. But that’s something that that both parties want to be transparent about as they continue their discussions.

[00:40:58.51] spk_0:
Right, Right. But initially, you’re just exploring. That’s right. We’re not talking about shutting down here program or us shutting down hours. We’re sharing about where we’re struggling and where we’re succeeding. Know some organizations are doing well in fundraising in the midst of this triple crisis dream, healthcare, racial equity and and recession and others are not. So you’re just that the exploration stage, I guess, is what I’m is what I’m saying and then going beyond that is that when you would start to draw your board in? You know, I’ve had a couple of conversations with the CEO over at whatever agency we’ve been exploring some some ways that we might be able to help each other. You know, is that the stage you would start to bring this conversation to your board?

[00:41:27.81] spk_3:
Yeah, it depends upon or soon, yeah, it depends upon the board that you have. So it might be bringing in the board chair if that person is particularly strong, um, in their leadership on maybe is well connected if you have some board members who are who can take that role without necessarily bringing the full board in,

[00:41:35.88] spk_0:
right. Oh, I’m sorry. I just meant when I said bring the board and I meant make him privy to your conversations. Yeah, bring them to meetings with the other agency.

[00:42:35.97] spk_3:
Yeah, even even in the conversations before you bring it out to the full board. Because sometimes confidentiality is hard, especially with larger boards. You may want to keep it to a smaller group until you feel like you’ve got something serious. Um, so sometime I was blowing confidentiality because you shirt with too many people off the coffee meeting, Yeah, can kill the whole deal. So just to be careful about, then it depends upon your board. If you have a board of three people, you’re probably best to shirt with the whole three board members right away and make sure that they’re going to keep it confidential. If you have a board of 25 people, maybe not sure with them your first conversation, but take it to the board chair executive committee level. I feel like if there’s something there, then bring it to the board. It’s The board will come in early. But after maybe a couple conversations

[00:43:52.25] spk_0:
time for our last break turn to communications relationships, the world runs on them. We know this turn to is led by former journalists so that you get help building relationships with journalists. Those relationships will help when you need to be heard, so that people you know so that people know you’re a thought leader in your field and they specialize in working with nonprofits. They’re at turn hyphen two dot ceo. We’ve got, but loads more time for collaborations. MoU to merger You have an excellent post at non profit law block dot com that lists a lot of different possible alliances from the least least legally in encumbering, I guess, which is the MOU, or memo of Understanding through merger, which is a total sacrifice of independence on the part of one non profit in favor of another. Um, so there’s a there’s a broad spectrum of possibilities, and at this exploratory stage, we’re not No, we don’t have anything particular in mind. We’re just trying to find out how we might be able help each other.

[00:44:02.89] spk_3:
I think that’s right, tony in and for people to just make it a black and white decision of like, whether we merger, we don’t merge. That’s you know that’s just too serious, that that’s like proposing marriage on your first date,

[00:44:35.89] spk_0:
right? Right. That’s a mistake, and it’ll scare somebody away. It might scare both parties merger, and neither one of us are ready for that. But there’s a lot of possibility. So, um, I let’s see, How can we find this article at non profit law block dot com, the one that lays out all the different methods of aligning?

[00:44:38.74] spk_3:
I I think, non profit collaborations, structural options. And so if you go onto the non profit la blogged dot com, there’s a search far. If you hit non profit collaborations, you’ll find it.

[00:45:08.19] spk_0:
Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Okay, I’m now. Okay. So now let’s say we have furthered our conversations and we see some possibility, but we don’t know what structure to take. How do we how to read procedure? Help us out?

[00:48:05.87] spk_3:
So e think you’re really aiming to see exactly what you want to do, what each party wants to do and where your meeting in common. So if there’s this idea that we want to work together, but we don’t know each other very well, Um, let’s see what we can do. That might be kind of the non binding MOU, the sort of the least amount of commitment made by either organization on that spectrum of collaborations. Um, so you know, we don’t know each other yet. Let’s get to know each other a little bit better. Let’s see if we work to work on this project together. You do this, I’ll do this on and it be their side fails to do it in the way the other side wants. Nobody gets in trouble. I mean, that’s just your your own thing. If you feel like there’s something more to it and it’s more urgent, it’s like, you know, we’re about to, you know, get to the point where we seriously might have to curtail. Our service is to this group of people. Um, and we know you’re also serving them, but in a slightly different way. Is there something we can do to help strengthen our ability to continue our service of of this group of beneficiaries through some sort of thing that we do collaboratively, you know? Can we do it jointly? Are there any efficiencies that we can have if we coordinate our activities together and in this case, one party might be or both parties might be a little bit dependent upon the other party meeting their obligations because they failed to do it, what the other party could could not be able to do their job either. In that case, maybe a simple sort of contract would be involved. T make sure that we’ve got it binding, that we owe this obligation to each other, um, and will formalize it in a contract. Um, all the way to if we know that this organization may not make it, but we want their programs. Um, and both parties want to say this single program that is essential there might be a transfer, an asset transfer of programs, intellectual property associate with the programs of employees that were working on the programs they might shift toe work for. The new employers of the program is housed in two different entities that would be some sort of asset transfer agreement and merger might be kind of at the very end of that spectrum of where we think it’s in the best interest of both organisations. It might not be that one would go away, but we think that there’s so much synergy. And after really thoughtful discussion and due diligence, we think we’re gonna be more much more powerful in delivering our mission, our common missions together rather than apart.

[00:48:10.33] spk_0:
It sounds like some legal help may be appropriate here if we’re gonna enter into some kind of collaboration with another non profit.

[00:48:59.57] spk_3:
Yeah, I like the idea, and this is a little self serving, because I but I like the idea of Brown wears in early, so you can. They can give you kind of you all of the options menu, if you will. Sometimes merger consultants, which I think are absolutely necessary as well, can come in there, and they may be trying to attain their goal. Eso if their merger consultant very thinking merger kind of because a surgeon think surgery is the response to a health issue. That’s the tool they know for the more experienced consultants who deal with these array of options. You know, if you if you’re sure you have a consultant like that, they’re probably gonna get get you far down the path as well. But the lawyer might be able to just sort of add those little tips on and steer you away from certain traps at the beginning. You don’t have to hire the the lawyer to do kind of full blown due diligence surfaces off day one, Um, but bringing them in early might lead you down the right past.

[00:50:06.66] spk_0:
There’s some psychosocial aspects to this to, like, ego and trust. We’re we’re gonna have to put aside our ego if we’re going to, if be willing to admit that we can’t continue on our own, um, and trust, you know, even if even the most stringent contract still requires trust between between the parties because no, no contract can envision everything. And if there isn’t trust going into a contract, I think you’re I think you’re doomed even with one that’s well written. So there’s some interpersonal aspects to this do

[00:50:43.06] spk_3:
absolutely, um, and trust. But to the extent you can verify, so make sure you know the individuals that you’re putting trust in, You know, when coffee meeting is great, but you’re gonna want to know that person more. You’re gonna want to know what their culture is more since culture is going to be really important in any kind of collaboration, whether there’s a culture fit if you don’t know, you know who the people are on the other side that are suddenly gonna be working together with your organization’s people. Um, that that could be a huge risk factor that you have to know how, how this is going to blend together

[00:51:08.40] spk_0:
so that if you do have the luxury of time, neither neither non profit is failing and in crisis. Then, you know, basically your advice was, hold hands before you get married, take things slowly, and then maybe you can expand the collaboration as you see whether the cultures match whether the objectives are being met. Are we actually delivering better service is or more service is Have we saved money? So, you know, have some of these goals been met cause a lot of times they’re not.

[00:51:44.66] spk_3:
I like that, tony. And so when organizations are operating both in a position of strength, even if one is bigger and what color that works out really nicely. So you can you can hold hands and get closer before you finally decide what ultimate step you want to take together. Um, so that’s what I prefer. I know, especially in these times, that may not be the reality for many organizations.

[00:51:50.56] spk_0:
What do you want to alert listeners to around this topic? Gene,

[00:51:56.86] spk_2:
I think one

[00:53:20.05] spk_3:
thing is not to be scared and not to get lost in not only your personal ego, which may mean for some people. Well, if we merge, I’m not gonna be a board member anymore because they’re the existing or surviving organization, has a board, and maybe they’re willing to take on a couple of us from the smaller organization. Um, but I’m I may not be part of that, but I’m not gonna let that drive my decision as to whether to merge or not. Because that’s now That would be about me, not about, you know, the organization and its mission. Um, the same thing goes with the name. So you know, often times people are, you know, deals get killed and mergers because the smaller organization or the disappearing organization is not willing to let go of the name. Um, And, yes, you could negotiate around naming. Keeping your name is a program and having some sort of of recognition on the website of the merged entity. But some people are so locked in on it, they’ll fight tooth and nail to make sure that their name is standing out as, like, part of the same merged entity’s name. So they combine both names, and it’s really clunky, and it just doesn’t really make sense. But, um, people get lost in that and start to make it a power play of, like, who could negotiate and exercise the most power in this transaction rather than what is in the best interests of our mission on both short term and long term.

[00:53:41.35] spk_0:
Okay. And again, merger, of course, being the extreme possibility for for collaboration. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um, if you feel comfortable, we can leave it there. Gene, You all right?

[00:53:44.77] spk_3:
Yeah, I’m good. I’m good.

[00:53:47.95] spk_0:
Okay. Okay. Jean Takagi, find him in, uh, neo law group dot com and at G Tack and Gene talk to you in a couple weeks for the 500 show.

[00:53:56.36] spk_3:
I’m so excited for you.

[00:53:57.90] spk_0:
Thank you. Back cheese did. Thank you very much, Jeanne. So long.

[00:54:02.24] spk_3:
Okay, but

[00:55:34.44] spk_0:
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No. Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio april sixth, two thousand twelve big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host now that you’ve heard all that, you know you’re in the right place, your mind is settled for the next hour. I hope you were with me last week. It would cause me pain if i learned that you missed gift prospects planned gift prospects by phone. I mean the ottoman from kent state university took the role of professor to teach you how to identify planned e-giving prospects from your phone based fund-raising she’s been doing that for years with great success, and that was pre recorded at the national conference on philanthropic planning last year. Also, tanya said farewell to p p pee tanya how johnson sat with me at last year’s partnership for philanthropic planning conference to say goodbye to the organization she has lead for twenty years. She retires this month and it was cockney complexities are legal contributors jean takagi and emily chan from the non-profit and exempt organizations law group looked at legal issues around the viral twenty twelve cockney twenty twelve video, eighty six million views and we looked at it in ways that you haven’t covered. That makes us one in eighty six million. You’re in the right place this week. Campaign feasibility, agility. Why is a feasibility study important before you embark on a fundraising campaign? What do you learn from a well crafted study who should be interviewed and who should do the interviewing? Eugenia cologne of cologne and associates will sort that out for us and creating a culture of philanthropy. Laura goodwin, vice president of the osborne group, has ideas about focusing on your donor’s, collaborating programming, board expectations and responsibilities and leadership, all to help you increase you’re fund-raising revenue around a culture of philanthropy and that’s pre recorded at philanthropy day two thousand eleven, hosted by the ft west westchester county chapter. Right now, we take a break. When i return, i’ll be joined by eugenia cologne for campaign feasibility, agility. Stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com. We look forward to serving you. 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She was instrumental in the design, development and implementation of the one billion dollar gates millennium scholars program, which she named i’m very glad that her expertise around campaign feasibility studies brings her to the show your junior welcome. Thank you. It’s. A pleasure to have you. Thanks for joining us from vienna. I want to remind listeners that you can join the conversation with eugenia by following us on twitter using our hashtag non-profit radio. And some people are already doing that now. Eugenia, why is a feasibility study important before a campaign? That’s actually an excellent question. My first ones. Excellent. Out of the box. It’s all downhill from here. Okay, uh, i think that you know, many people, uh, tend sometimes to think that they can proceed with the campaign without doing a feasibility study. But when you’re talking a major fund-raising effort like a capital campaign on endowment campaign, the feasibility study is important in determining if the proposed campaign has a good chance of success because the study will identify how much money your organization can reasonably raise, how long it should take to do that and what the costs are likely to be, uh, involved in managing the campaign. I think even more critically, what the study will also do is identify potential campaign leaders, donors, the strengths and weaknesses of the organization for the existing campaign plan of the organization they have developed. And it’ll include recommendations as to how the campaign should be conducted. But i think what’s really important for folks to know is that increasingly well done, well constructed feasibility studies are being conducted more in the framework of campaign planning studies because study will ultimately fundamentally provides the foundation proposed campaign. Okay on, you said that he’s applied teo large campaigns that would depend upon the size of the organization, right? I mean, half a million dollars could be a tiny, a meaningless campaign to some charities. But half a million dollars could be an enormous undertaking for others. Yes, and and this applies to whether the campaign is for capital or building expenses, or programmatic and dallman. Type wouldn’t it wouldn’t matter? It wouldn’t matter what would really i think be the determining factor and you raised a good point in the relativity of, of defining the terms big campaign on major campaign. What is, i think critical foreign organizations to recognize is whether what it is proposing to raise in a particular dollar goal is major fund-raising for them is this a departure from the routine annual fund-raising that they normally do that would then tell them it’s a golden setting is so significant then that tells them, or should i tell them that they should invest in having a feasibility planning studies done? They’re prepared to embark on that kind of a large fund-raising campaign. Eugene, i’m going to ask you to speak a little bit louder into the phone, ok? We’re talking, please, and your advice is that this study, which is really a series of questions, is that is that not right? It’s? Too good extent a series of questions it’s largely interviews that are conducted with internal leadership with key staff all fund-raising staff should be interviewed, it will involve select boardmember it should involve a number of key donors. Hand it. Should involve of perspective, thunderzord zoho people, you’re looking at an organization’s you’re looking at as funding prospects. And while the theories of questions that they will be asked in confidential interviews will be critical, if the process will also involves, uh for example, having a case statement okay, we’re going, we’re going to get into the details of it. I don’t want to get too far right now because in fact, we have to take a break in about two minutes. This is best done by who this this series of interviews it’s best done by an outside consultant because the outside consultants is goingto have a level of objectivity that a staff member it’s impossible for a member of staff, a leadership have. What do you mean objectivity around what objectivity on a number of levels, objectivity in that they don’t have any horse in the race that they’re not a member of the organization and they’re not on the board, they are not going to have an agenda that there consciously or for subconsciously, maybe advancing were seeking to advance in the process. They also will be because they are not staff because, for example, they don’t report to the boardmember as the president ceo would thie consultant who you have a much higher comfort levels in asking certain, maybe sensitive questions for in reaching out to donors with particular questions to invite input on certain delivery, herbal that’s been non-profit maybe using that a staff member or a member of the executive team is not likely to be able to do as comfortably, and so the so the strong relationship and we just have about thirty seconds before a break so we may be we’ll approach more this more after the break, but just that strong relationship that we always like to see in in in donorsearch charity relations and solicitations that is detrimental to this process. Yes, it could be yes, it could be most definitely okay, we’re going to pursue that a little more. We’re going to take a break right now on dh when we return. Of course, eugenia cologne stays with me for campaign feasibility, agility, and i hope you do too e-giving thing e-giving ding, ding, ding, ding you’re listening to the talking alternate network duitz getting anything. Cubine are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam lebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative that come mondays at eleven a. 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Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent, eugenia let’s pursue this idea that the that the close relationship can actually be detrimental. What what is it that the interview is is going to say or not say to the object of consultant that he or she would wouldn’t or would say, too, the person they have a close relationship within the charity? Well, because of the fact that the consultant makes clear and it’s made clear throughout the process that interviews are completely confidential and the consultant is this outside of individual, uh, the best example i would offer? Is it your ass? King? Ah, boardmember what he is does she sees as frank and weaknesses in the non-profits fund-raising then it with the president and ceo asking me boardmember that question and the boardmember felt that the president ceo puts the problem right? You know, you can see right there, how’s, that dahna is detrimental to the process to a successful, objective process, and i think that’s probably the best example, but i think i screwed, i think also on individual working within an organization because they are largely subject does not have the same, uh oh, as clear, um and hard, perhaps a perspective for view of the organization has an outside consultant might have in taking a look at wait thes questions then, and some something you said earlier suggests this also go much beyond who’s going to fund the campaign. Whether you, my my current interviewee, will fund this campaign or not. There is a much broader purpose to these feasibility studies serious, and i think that the most important at sex to keep in mind is that what one is really at the root of the entire process. What one is really looking for is to be able to determine how strongly the case for support resonates with each interviewing, meaning that while, for example, you may not necessarily knew probably, i definitely would not want to interviewing for a pledge what you can learn in properly questioning them as to how viable they think the organization is, how important they think this campaign is. Umm you could start to assess what this individual might be willing to give or what that foundation might consider giving and where your campaign would fall among their e-giving priorities. So you really are ultimately, underneath all of this, testing the case for support and testing some basic assumptions that, uh, underlying the non-profits rationale. Wei have jargon jail on the show. And i hate tio. Have you have to put you into the women’s block in jargon jail? So the case let’s, let’s define what? What you mean by case for support. Okay, uh, i think what the case is support for alternative we called case statement is not done. Is make, uh, is justified for presents the rationale as to why your non-profit isn’t important. Why your mission is critical, performing necessary work and therefore, bottom line. Why people, foundations and corporations should fund it should support it. So you’re making the case almost like a legal case for, uh, justifying support for your organization on dure finding out whether people agree with you. Exactly. Yes. And you’re finding out how strongly they agree. Agree with you and our how much they feel motivated, compelled war, tie tied to our inspired by your organization. And in all the process of these interviews and the questioning, you should be able at the end of the line to determine not only that individual that you interviewed not only their level of interest in support, but questions should be asked that also tease out if they would be willing to reach out among their network. Do they have a friend, family, anybody that they think they could bring to the table? And would they be willing themselves to serve on the maybe campaign steering committee or in some voluntary way to help raise? I see and these air all ways of getting at how strongly they belong? They believe in your your case statement your case for support? Are they willing to share it with their friends? Are they willing to participate in this campaign as as a volunteer leader? Um, what should we hope to get from the from the from the campaign feasibility study? Other than do the campaign or don’t do the campaign like, go or no go. Okay, um, first let me before i answer your specific questions, let me say that i would caution non-profit too make sure of two things in working for in vetting consultants to handle a feasibility planning study poker. The first is that they make certain that the people they’re looking at and considering have experience with organizations like they’re non-profit the second is that they raised the question with that consultant potential consultant as to how many clients have been told by that consultant that their campaign is a no go. Yeah, we’re going to get to that, but okay, you’ve raised it on and let’s talk about why that’s so important? Well, because quite bluntly, there is the potential for unwittingly or intentionally a consultant to be self serving in conducting a campaign coming back and saying you’re ready to go here are the things you need to do, but i think you know, your viable your campaign is viable, the bottom line being the consultant is hoping that since they did the study, they would be considered brought in to do the campaign launch. And that said it’s, a good question to raise with every consultant you’re interviewing, how many clients have you advised based on the demonstrated information and evidence that they should not proceed with? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Because there is the potential for conflict. Yeah. Okay. Back. Teo original. Yeah. What are you hoping to learn about your what your constituents think ofyou? Besides, whether they’ll support a campaign. Or won’t? Well, uh, the fact that you’ve asked the right questions that will allow you to determine whether or not you should you have the support they to launch the campaign is going to be the result of your having in your study process in your having done a number of things, including, ah, review of the movie in what we call environmental factors the current economy identifying your competition, so put some non-profits especially small to midsize, they are so understandably focused on just getting the job done, they don’t really always have a good sense of who the competition is. This helps to ease some of that out. You’ll also come away with a strong sense of your current financial strength of yours capacity to raise more whether you go forward with the campaign at that time or not, you will have also identified and actually engaged potential funders who have been interviewed in the process. So you’ve already started a cultivation process that can open the door to a new stream of fundez you will have strengthen relationships with donors who interviewed because you’ve engaged them on another level, and you’re going to be having brought back two with a study some point, some recommendations, some roasted skip ropes to jump that will have come from your current donors, and you should come out of this process with a tighter, cleaner, more compelling case statement, a case to support then you had going into it, and one that is now at the end of the process, bought into by not on ly external constituents, but by the staff and bored leadership who really needs to be on the same page about why you should be supported and they aren’t always yeah, we’re going to look into some of that internal consistency and in a moment i want to remind listeners that i’m with eugenia cologne and she’s, the founder and president of cologne and associates development consultants. Their site is cologne c o l o n associates dot com, so you’re you’re alluding to internal consistency here, across staff and senior leadership and bored in terms of what that case is about. What are there cases where those three constituencies and maybe even donors being a fourth constituency are not in parallel tracks? That’s very often the case, i think, especially with emerging or new non-profits and also small and mid sized non-profits who don’t often have the opportunity to say invest in marketing and branding analysis or, ah, strategic planning process with an outside of consultant to help you to thought that a defined mission and case to give an example of weather, sometimes our discrepancies, ah, boardmember may have come on board because they had a particular of tied to what they perceive to be the mission and purpose of the non-profit the president and ceo of the non-profit may be somebody who’s coming to the non profit sector from a corporate background, and went to a particular non-profit because they saw the opportunity to in fact, strengthens the non-profits delivery and its mission by bringing some corporate operation is spreading, and so that person looking at what you can do instead of more at what you brought into existence to do, and then the staff, especially in small and midsize non-profits in my experience, the staff bless them, are so strained and so stretched that they are typically jumping from one assignment one passed to the next and not always able to step back and say, is this from my front line in? The trenches perspective is this consistent with our mission? And so you don’t have always a clear sense for even an internal dialogue about what’s the mission and purpose case for supporting then there’s ah, strategic planning purpose around the campaign feasibility study? Very much so, yes, that’s that’s well put because really, i’m just rephrasing what you said. It really is a study that, you know, study is almost an academic term that makes it sound like it’s uh, pedagogic exercise, when in fact, the feasibility planning study is much more dynamic. And at the end of that three to six months, typically three to six months process should give you what amounts to atleast for the major fund-raising campaign, a strategic plan, but many aspects of the study will actually play into the overarching organizational strategic plan. There is some science to this i mean, you would, for instance, i’m i presume you would test the questions that you’re going to ask, how is that done? Well, i think the best way to test question is, first of all, to take it to the leadership, to the members of the development team and the executive leadership and i would say three to five critical boardmember to have them take a look at the questions before that i would say chip, haven’t take a look primarily at the external questions before the consultant goes out to do the testing, interfering with the external constituencies because you don’t ever want a misstep with the outside constituents. So i think that the testing of external questions by internal staff on board members is critical. Thes interviews this is not just ah, this is not a five or ten minutes. Sit down over a cup of coffee, is it? Oh, no, no. This typically should take around forty five minutes on could take i always ask interviewees to block out an hour. Uh, if it’s less than that fine to them because usually very busy people. But the questions should be comprehensive on at the same time as specific enough that you end up with responses that are really going to be useful in getting a baseline sense of where you are in a number of key issues. How do we determine who is going to be interviewed among the categories of people that you mentioned earlier? Who specifically? Well going in. The consultant can upfront tells the non-profit we need tohave a number of board members, we need tohave all the development team, we need to have the president ceo so there’s, a standard group that the consultant goes in knowing that they need to interview, but when it comes down to identifying key boardmember you want teo, build a relationship with your client with wealth would be with a non-profit and buy into the process by allowing the president ceo, for example, to recommend to the consultant who on the board would be interviewed. And i always, uh, suggests that you definitely have the chairman and careful coaches up the board part of the process. You also been asked the development department had a development in the president ceo to recommend a number of existing donorsearch number let me interrupt you there in in terms of the volunteers, prospects and donors, this study could be used as part of the cultivation strategy you’re including the person has an insider in in the potential campaign, absolutely most definitely, and that really is a critical takeaway of the study process, the fact that you are engaging these people and engaging them in a whole new way that actually is reaching out and asking for help in shaping. Uh, no uncertain terms. Where you’re going with this campaign, it opened doors to prospective thunders. It brings donors in on a new level, and it also engages re engages your board and your staff and volunteers in ways that might not have been possible before. But an interesting group to keep in mind that you wanted involved would be what you might normally see. His competitive organisations, similar organizations that are fighting in the same trenches as you are scrambling self-funding but you have partnerships with them, you’ve done work with them and you have a good relationship organizational leadership toe leadership that would allow the subject of study organization to say these two or three competitive quote unquote would be great to interview part of it. Eugenia, we have to stop there. Okay? Eugenia vic alone is the founder and president of cologne and associates. Their site is cologne, colo. And associates, dot com and eugenia is happy to take questions by email if you have them follow-up her email addresses eugenia u g e n a dot colon at cologne associates dot com eugenia, thank you so much for being a guest. Thank you for having me, it’s been my pleasure. We take a break and when we return tony’s take to my block. 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So i appreciate being number eight that’s cool that’s that tony martignetti dot com and much of that result is because regina walton does social media for my blogged, and i’m grateful for her help in that achievement. That is tony’s take two for friday, april sixth, two thousand twelve it’s the fourteenth show of the year, we have already finished the first quarter of the year. Next i have a pre record interview with laura goodwin. We’re talking about creating a culture of philanthropy. Here’s that interview welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of national philanthropy day, hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals, westchester county chapter worth e edith macy conference centre in briarcliff manor, new york, and joining me now is laura goodwin. Laura is vice president for the osborn group and has twenty years of fund-raising experience. Laura welcome. Thank you. Tony, appreciate it. Well, now i have to live up to twenty years worth of wisdom here. I don’t think you gonna have any trouble at the conference. Knows your bona fide. I know your bona fide. The audience will know very, very shortly. Your conference topic is creating a culture of philanthropy. What? What do you mean by a cultural philanthropy? Well, that’s funny, tony that’s exactly where we started this morning. What does that mean for all of the various constituencies that we’re working with? Certainly we know the no brainer is that a culture of philanthropy ends up creating more donors who give more who are happier then they were without this culture, but but what is that? It that culture of philanthropy? So we ended up doing a lot of talking about was that change and institutional values that puts donors at the center of your philanthropy efforts? I think so often we we get tied up and understandably in all the details, that a taste to get the appeal out the door to get the event plan that we forget the donor experience that don’t know when this donor receives that appeal. Is it speaking? To them, or is it speaking about institutional needs? Organizational priorities? Or is it speaking to that donors, motivation, what we know really matters to them the most so that’s one of the ways that that ends up being manifested in being donor-centric i think one of the other things that we really spent a lot of time talking about today is creating a collaborative environment, whether that is collaborating with another organization or institution or internal collaboration, you know, was i was working in higher education does the development office sit off in its own corner? And who knows what they do over there or can let development office reach out to, in the case of higher education that dina faculty and say, hey, i have this great donor xero from you, i think you really could have ah, a powerful impact on that and have the dean, in fact, they say, well, of course, absolutely, i’ll do that for you program staff saying yes, how can i help in fundez development? Let’s talk about some of the different constituencies and donors included, of course, but why don’t we start with with the board? How do we create a culture of philanthropy among our board? Absolutely that and you you are right to assume that was a big topic that came up for sure, you know, what we realize is we were talking together about where our boards are now is how much preplanning needs to go into building that culture amongst the board before they ever even joined the board. So in the recruitment, meaning the group recruitment process absolutely, and setting those expectations from the nominating committee forward really setting that expectation that every boardmember as a part of as a requirement of joining our board is involved in some way and fun development that there’s a give and and a get policy not to give aura, get policy or no policy at all on that on that topics. So from the very point of what are expectations of our board in general to a recruitment process, making sure that every single boardmember who is invited has already been solicited is already an investor in this organization or in this institution that they believe we likened it this morning, the difference between taking a major gifts model to board recruitment versus a hiring model do we bring people onboard who have a passion for what we do know us from the inside our donors or investors in us, or do we say, oh, you know what? We need a lawyer let’s go find one, we’ll interview them, will recruit them. Oh, they don’t know anything about us or oh, we’re seventh or tenth on their list of philanthropies, or we’re not on their list of philanthropies at all. Um, how it’s a different tone how do we set these expectations? Would this be in writing? This isn’t a conversation i’m talking about in the recruitment stage, how, how in detail that we set the expectations? Absolutely well, i think certainly having that written policy is something that’s, a vital tohave that’s, something that that externalize is it from any one person in the executive director the ceo having to be in that that position of playing the heavy and saying, i really need boardmember sze who do this when it becomes a shared policy of not only the institutional leadership, but also that nominating committee that that becomes a part of the culture, it institutionalizes that practice, but then if we’ve only written it down, we haven’t really done that that donor-centric turd taking that donor-centric step we need to share that in the recruitment process and i think often a lot of particularly small organizations, but i think it’s not exclusively small organizations say, look, we’re so desperate for board members will kind of take whoever we can get well, darn it, you deserve better than whoever shows up you should keep looking. You should keep looking and not be emp embarrassed to have this conversation with board members talk about it, especially because so much of what i hear is trouble with a boardmember who isn’t productive and now trying to get them off the board, we can put it softly and say transition them off, but everything off however you do it, it’s it’s difficult, so don’t create a headache for yourself by recruiting someone who you’re pretty sure is going to be a lackluster boardmember and then they’re going to fulfill that expectation that you had and now you have sort of dead weight on your board and you have to deal with it. It could really be a drag abs tony that’s so true it so it’s too easy we make it. Too easy toe put people on the board, and then it becomes a way too hard to get the monk’s virality zehr involved in egos involved who were their friends are and it’s really very difficult don’t short change your organization that way, and and just take whoever will come as you’re suggesting, or so what other expectations are there around? Maybe attendance or activity level? What other expectations do we wantto set in advance during this recruitment? Well, certainly, i think that yes, that attendance should be something that’s spelled out in your board. Accrued mint prophecy that and it’s something that you’re bored share needs to continue to monitor that as a board we owe it to each other and to this organization to show up prepared, be engaged in in our right committee work in between boardmember ings. I think i would add to this that not only is committee work important, but that as board members we are all we should all and i say we because like i said on a board myself that we as board members all owe it to our organization. Tto find the right role in fundez elopement that regardless of what other committee we sit on? We’re all fundez developers and it’s a matter of matching the right skill set that each boardmember brings to the right fundez elopement job would i love a board full of solicitors? You know? Of course i would i would be thrilled to have a whole bunch of solicitors sitting there, but not realistic, but that’s not what success has to look like, besides and there’s a lot on of around fund-raising that board members could do without soliciting exact making entree introduction, maybe hosting something in their home so there’s plenty of non solicitation activity available, right? Absolutely something that we did as a board taking off consultant had putting on boardmember had something that we did as aboard this past year was to really diagram what our skills were actually did this with each other, not privately said, okay, we know that there are two rules that all of us need to be good at. We all need to be able to share the story of what this organization does. We all have to be ambassadors. We all have to be on the same page in terms of message, so let’s make sure that we’re abetting in our board meeting chances too, train up, make sure that we stay on the same page, that we bring new people in. And they get that it’s a part of their orientation and that we are all stuart’s, that we all have that opportunity to not only say thank you for your gift, but here’s, how it’s been put toe work because of you. We were able as an organization tto achieve this and this and this that are very tangible in concrete and understandable outcomes. Exactly getting the getting the board involved in that critical stewardship process. Right? All right, well, we spent a lot of time talking about the board, but i think that’s important it is the place to start right in creating this culture of philanthropy. Let’s talk about some of the other circles or constituencies. Um, what about among ah, among employees that are not fund-raising employees, how do we again, how do we create this cultural philanthropy? Absolutely. You know, he had one of our clients had a very interesting take on how he was going to embed this culture of philanthropy in his agency as a part of all of his interviews, regardless of what position he was interviewing for he is the ceo. I would ask that person in their interview here at our agency. We are all fundez fella, pers, what role do you see this position playing in fund available? That’s outstanding? I mean, even someone who does facilities, work or maintenance work or data entry every strata of asses isn’t every aspect. And so he was challenging them. And the point was not that they come up with the right answer. But did they have an answer? Did they think, were they willing to engage thoughtfully on what this could look like horses? I don’t really see that as part of my job that’s them that that mythical they who do development over here and that’s, not me. So it was really looking to create that that collegial environment that we’re all in on this and that’s very consistent with what we just talked about recruitment of board members, he was doing it in recruitment of employees at all levels, okay, what else? Well, let’s say after we’ve hired, how can we continue to instill that we all have a role in fund-raising or fun development again outside the fund-raising staff exact could we keep that going? Some of the critical players that that i think we need to be bringing on board that can demonstrate to do such a powerful job of demonstrating the others? Yes, when we call on you, it’s okay to say yes, we’ll treat you well and because they get a tremendous amount done for us in building that culture of philanthropy, making sure that you’re building a really strong relationship with your cfo, that business office or finance office, that having a strong, powerful relationship with them from the very beginning enables you is a fun developer to say, hey, you know what i’ve got a donor who either has a lot of accountability, concerns or demands, this is something that is a value of theirs it’s important to them to not have to be that conduit of the messages of the cfo to say, you know what? 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Technology fund-raising compliance. Social media, small and medium non-profits have needs in all these areas. My guests are expert in all these areas and mohr. Tony martignetti non-profit radio fridays, one to two eastern on talking alternative broadcasting. Talking. How can we incorporate this into the employees performance evaluation? You know, at the end of the year again, i don’t want to deal with fund-raising staff putting development staff signs for the model side, but all the other employees because that’s, that’s what they’re bonuses if those exist or that’s what they’re paying, if that exists well, of course they exist. Their pay is going to be based on what their attention is going to based on their their end of year performance evaluation. How do we build this into that? That tony that’s a great question, i think that’s something that we need to be looking at, as i think his organization’s mohr and more start looking for those over arching strategic goals and incorporating enterprise wide planning into their approach rather than siloed unit by your planting that that fun development needs to be on the table is one of those overarching plans. And then okay, as we start to get our feet under us, and if you’re in program delivery. All right, well, let’s, take a look at this. Overall. Strategical, what role could you play? Let’s have that conversation at the beginning of the year. Build that set of delivery bubbles that you’re comfortable with. And i know it’s not just going to be make work from a development standpoint that’s really going to be valuable from a development standpoint, and then and then we hold you accountable against those at the end of the year that there aren’t any fur in my mind, there aren’t any sort of standard set must have incorporated in the you know that every program officer needs to go on x number of visits over the course of the year, you have to be that know exactly that it needs to be organic and fit within the culture of the organization that what this person does but that it’s not okay to say, well, what i do is not development. I’m talking with lord goodwin, we’re talking about creating a culture of philanthropy in your non-profit on laura’s, vice president of the osborne group um, so as we’re talking about different maybe, uh, fears of employment or different departments with i’m thinking of the toughest case might be the key. If there’s a computer database person or staff, how might they be brought in? And i’m thinking to create this culture and i’m thinking, i mean, they deal with vendors, so maybe maybe we can transition to among the vendors in the service providers should should they also be knowledgeable about fund raising and fund development and how that’s all and what their role isn’t? And even though they work for a company that just provide services to us? Absolutely well, i want to take that sort of in two directions, i think the value of having that sometimes it’s that that bridge employees who understands the advancement services side of managing data that’s a must have that is that person you need to be cultivating or finding, you know, in in a big institution they’re goingto have ah, person whose job it is to translate technology into development’s, meek and development speak back into database that that, of course we know that that’s their lot of smaller organizations do they have that level of specialization? They can’t afford that that’s not realistic, but it doesn’t mean that you, as a development leader, can’t be seeking out who has that skill set? Who could i go to? Who i know can be my champion who is intuitively gets or or has that instinct for what we’re trying to accomplish here who could help me translate here’s the kind of report that i have and when i have this report and whatever for matter or can pull this query in the way that i’m asking for here is why it makes a difference to our whole organization, i think it’s, so important, even when they’re talking internally to keep reinforcing this report, as mundane as it may seem, is as wonky as it may seem, contributes to the larger hole that’s the way to continue to educate and build that internal culture as faras as external taking it to the external. Exactly. I think they’re with our outside vendors, absolutely they should be incorporated into be made a part of our overall corporate outrage. They have employees who, if we have a center or are, you know, an outside vendor, say it’s, a food service outside vendor? Well, they’re likely a part of that community. They’re deriving benefit from being a part of that broader community as a corporate don’t feel certainly they, you know they have a relationship that they from a from a business standpoint, have an interest. In continuing to to develop, but likely, as a company have philanthropic values, how could we meet up with their corporate social responsibility to use that that popular phrase here? What is what’s their take on corporate social responsibility? How can we connect with that and bring that back onto our campus, celebrating them publicly among our whole community or our broader donor community? We’re so happy to have this partner in providing this excellent service to us, but also being a philanthropic partners. Well, i think that there there is the ultimate win win let’s spend our closing couple of minutes talking about the donor center fund-raising and creating this culture now among this constituency are donors, i guess it’s just generally how do we get started with that? So that donors feel the this culture that we’re creating everywhere else? Absolutely. I think one of the things that we’re hearing from our clients across the country is that the the good old i have the ability to send out a male appeal and it can be undifferentiated. It’s the same letter i’m sending everybody in the world, it’ll pull pretty well, it’ll pull enough gifts back in to meet the needs that we have it’s good enough that good enough is just not doing it anymore. Couple that economic stress that so many are feeling at that at that low end of the giving pyramid with this increasing expectation of personalization, facebook knows everything about me and who i might want to be friends with and what adds, i might want to know facebook’s five hundred million customers are one hundred eight hundred million gigantic. Why can’t this organization that i care about say to me and maybe a smaller way and maybe a less sophisticated way but still say to me, hey, laura, we know you. We know what matters to you. We know what you value being able to give me a za donor the opportunity to designate my annual fund gift, for example, to say, hey, off these four core areas that are budget always supports maybe here’s one that’s more important to me or i love this program, i’m not going to restrict my gift and say you must spend it here, but i’d like to vote with my dollars e-giving that opportunity back to our donors being welcoming them to the table is collaborators in how they’re gift gets used that’s an important step to take at the other end of the spectrum pompel being oriented toward and setting those expectations of visit, visit, visit moving teo a face-to-face culture there’s no better way to be donor-centric than to look across the table at you, tony, and say, hey, what are your philanthropic values we fought motivates you find out so much about people just by having a simple conversation? Absolutely latto goodwin is vice president of the osborn group has twenty years of fund-raising experience, and we’ve been talking about creating the culture of philanthropy among all your different constituents here at national philanthropy day, hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals, westchester, westchester county chapter and this is tony martignetti non-cash non-profit radio coverage of national philanthropy day. Yes, this is non cop radio listen teo only by miscreants and general dealbreakers non-cash prayed eo my thanks this week to eugenia cologne and also laura goodwin and to the westchester county chapter v f p and their conference organizer, joe ferraro. Next week, interviewing and hiring cheryl nufer will be with me from peredo consulting with strategies to professionalize you’re interviewing. 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