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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host i love this time of year, the holiday time between thanksgiving and christmas. For me just a lovely time to be in new york city it’s vibrant people are apologetic and forgiving and friendly that’s ah, great time this this whole month of december love it and i’m glad you’re with me. I’d be forced to bear the pain of e s n a filic, asafa jj itis if i had to swallow the knowledge that you missed today’s show corporate sponsorship coup gail bauer, president of bauer and company consulting, shares savvy strategies for bagging high performing sponsorships and bored unity or descent should shut up be part of your board meetings. Jean takagi are legal contributor and principal of the non-profit and exempt organizations law group neo returns to weigh the pros and cons of descent on your board and speaking with a single voice between the guests on tony’s take two fund-raising day and jack nicholson. We’re sponsored by generosity, siri’s hosting multi charity five k runs and walks i’m very glad that gail bauer is in the studio from philadelphia she’s, the author of how to jump start your sponsorship strategy in tough times. She’s, a consultant, coach, writer and speaker with more than twenty five years experience in marketing and leading some of the country’s most important events, festivals and sponsorships, you’ll find her at gail bauer dot com her sponsorship blawg is sponsorship strategist dot com. And on twitter she’s at gail bauer b o w e r welcome gail bauer. Thank you. Thanks, tony according to be here. Thank you for inviting me. It’s a pleasure to have you you would like us to be tossing out the the gold silver bronze a platinum, i presume. Also platinum. All these levels of sponsorship, these air not meaningful, not meaningful. Yes, they cause the nonprofit organization to give away value and leave a lot of money on the table and a whole lot of other problems. No good. Ok, we’re going. We’re going to dive into that right. So that’s, the that’s, the old model correct and the newer model were calling high performing sponsorships. Sure at high performing organizations, right? So organise a sponsorship as a marketing driven activity for corporations. Has been around for ever non-profit organizations have been a little slow to move in that direction, and there have been a lot of changes and a lot of aa lot of reasons why that’s a good strategy on dh? Slowly there non-profit sectors moving in that direction. Okay, should we start with what value we’re bringing to a relationship? Identifying that, or should we start with who we want to partner with and see what their needs are? Where should we start this? I think the best place for anyone to start thinking about sponsorship is really understanding what the value is that they have to offer. Okay, so that’s that’s, the first place we start looking there and inside. So we’re looking inside now is the board involved in this process way offer. Sometimes the board members are but usually it’s more the staff. The board usually has more tangential roles in sponsorship development. Okay, opening doors, making introductions. Ok, so the networking part of it correctly the friendraising and bringing people to the organization. How do we start to identify what the value is that weaken? Bring to this sponsorship relationship that we’re gonna be going after? Well, an organization needs to do a little bit of soul searching, they need to understand more about their brand, they need to understand, especially about their audiences and who they who they reach, who they interact with, and how and factor in how important their mission ist so those three things the they’re strategy, their brand, their brand strategy there, their mission? Because i don’t want them to do something that’s outside of their mission, and especially their audiences and how they can allow a corporation to connect with those audiences. So those three things to find the value we identify these were putting these in a written package that’s going to be a part of our sponsorship pitch that that’s a good play, it doesn’t have to be that formal, but certainly being able to articulate that value, being able to articulate why a sponsor would want to be connected to that audience needs to be something verbally said it, it’s woven into any written materials as well. All right, so this is the special stuff that we bring to a relationship because we don’t want to just be going hat in hand and asking for whatever twenty five thousand dollars or million dollars, whatever it is, without recognizing, without having the company recognized that we bring enormous value to correct the organization should feel very strong and bold about what they what it is that they have to offer two responses to a sponsor they don’t want yet definitely do not want to feel like a dickens character, you know? Yeah, you’re right. You bring something very special and let’s talk a little more about the people that you reach in your organization that a cz one part of what you identified, the people you reach in and how you reach them, going to say, well, more about the sure most organizations have a lot of different audiences that they work with, serve, interact with, and it can range from the constituents that they actually serve. Two, you know, very high end, very high end but high, highly affluent donors. Eso understanding more about the demographics and the psych. A graphics of all these audiences will then help us point a direction to the kinds of corporations that want toe engage with and interact with these with these audiences. Okay, break that down for me. How does it how does knowing that help you identify where you’re where your efforts should be? Should be leading? Okay, so corporations sell their products and services to particular audiences. They know a lot about their customers or their clients. If it’s a beat, obese or service company, so they’re trying to reach a particular audience segments and many non-profit organizations serve these same segments. So for example, a major donor group, a segment of bay jer donors who are affluent, highly educated, perhaps, you know, skewing a little older. Forty five plus might be a very attractive demographic for, say, a financial services company to reach. Okay. That’s, the alignment, the correct your retirement. Okay, yeah. So we then have to do a lot of research to try to find companies that are consistent and with an aligned with what it is we’re bringing in our package. Correct. How do we do that? So that’s like a pretty big task. It’s a pretty big test. But once you know what you’re looking for it it can go pretty quickly. So you you have to understand a lot about how different industries work. How does the banking field work? How does ah, consumer product company work. What? What is it that they’re looking for? But if you always stay focused on what a for-profit company ultimately ultimately wants is they’re trying to sell something. So the way that they do that the pathway to doing that might take him in a different direction. But they always want to sell. So knowing that can help move your can help you focus your research. All right, if you got i’m interested in like, a good client story, you can share an interesting sort of alignment. Even if it’s not a charity where you help somebody, aline recognize what? What kind of company they should be aligned with and help bring something to fruition. Sure. So i earlier this year in early twenty fourteen i love stories. That’s. Why? Yeah, no that’s. Great. So earlier this year i worked with a home builder association. Actually. And they have ah, a significant anniversary. They have many different events. They produce a home show. They produced various activities and events for the consumer population for where they’re homebuilder. Members could be part of on dh. So one of the things that they did was to partner with a bank because obviously banks sell mortgages, and they’re also trying to reach people that are buying homes. So they collaborated with with a bank, and this was actually a bank that had turned them down for a sponsorship. And we went through this process, help them to find a strategy and build their skills, and especially build their confidence because they had a lot more to offer than they were really recognizing. And they landed a very healthy five figure sponsorship to your deal. Very, very healthy. Five figure of sponsorship for this event. For the next two years. They were so excited. I love that they were turned down and then they went back there, go back the next year, way we went back to two months later, two months because i went, i took them through this training program and coach them through it. And they were a little nauseous. But they they went in and said what i told them to say and they did it. It was go out of the company. How did they persuade the company to give them a meeting? Months after the company had decided it’s not a fit. The board chair actually knew the bank president very well. So that was the end. But what i coach them on is going back and talking to them about their business objectives and really focusing on how they could help them fulfill those business objectives. Whereas before they were doing the gold silver bronze approach, so did they get feedback like it’s. Hard to believe this is the same organization that came to us two months ago that we turned down because they get anything that i don’t think they got that say, although maybe the bank people were thinking that but they were really excited about the possibilities and about the partnership moving forward. Outstanding that’s. A very, very good it’s that’s a great cake store because they got turned down and then they worked with you. And then they got approved. Yes, it was a great i had tears in my eyes when she reported back when it was really awful. And you were in the background. You were coaching? Yes, coaching in the background. Okay. Excellent. All right. We’ll go out a little early for a break. We come back. We got a lot more to talk about. Regarding corporate sponsorship. Coup with gail bauer from philadelphia and we’ve got lots of live listener, love, love it, stay with us, you’re tuned to non-profit radio. Tony martignetti also hosts a podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy. Fund-raising fundamentals is a quick ten minute burst of fund-raising insights, published once a month. Tony’s guests are expert in crowdfunding, mobile giving event fund-raising direct mail and donor cultivation. Really, all the fund-raising issues that make you wonder, am i doing this right? Is there a better way there is? Find the fund-raising fundamentals archive it. Tony martignetti dot com that’s marketmesuite n e t t i remember there’s, a g before the end, thousands of listeners have subscribed on itunes. You can also learn maura, the chronicle website, philanthropy dot com fund-raising fundamentals the better way. Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Got lots of live listener love philadelphia p a we got a couple of people from philadelphia and no one is probably gil’s partner shot out. Teo to barry barry brentwood. We hope that barry be better. Be one of those two were presuming you are. Brentwood, california. Blandon, pennsylvania, near philadelphia, georgetown, texas. Honolulu, hawaii, bayonne, new jersey live listener love to all of you my my grandmother used to live in bayonne, right on the newark bay. Like thirty west thirty first street, i think, right last street, right on the newark bay, new bern, north carolina chevy chase, maryland, oakland, california live listener love it will go abroad very shortly. Skill bauer, part of what you’re offering to accompany could very well be opportunities for their employees. Right, like, maybe volunteering. I’m thinking. Volunteering? Yes. Okay. Yeah. There are all kinds of opportunities for volunteers. Of course. The nonprofit organization has tohave a strong volunteer program put together, which can be, you know, challenging, sometimes for smaller organization. But the corporate side can they love having opportunities for volunteerism? And it could be a great way to expand, expand what an organization is doing. Yeah, and that goes to the point that you don’t want to create something that you don’t have or isn’t consistent with your mission. Correct? Just to achieve a sponsorship. Correct? Because that that sometimes takes you away. You know what way off track? Yes, but it’s tempting it is tempting because you’re being offered money. Well, creating a volunteer program. Well, we don’t really work with, you know, most of our work is all done with professionals. You know, maybe they’re counselors, you know, credentials or something. You know, we don’t have a volunteer opportunities, but maybe we could create it for this lucrative five figure sponsorship. Right? That’s. Bad that’s. Bad thinking. Well, it’s it’s, when you’re working on sponsorship, you always have to be thinking into the future. And sometimes a sponsorship opportunity can come along. That actually can propel something that you do want to move forward too. So if having a robust volunteer program is something that you wanna have happen and you can expedite it more quickly through a sponsorship poke, then yes, that’s. Great. And sometimes it can be a surprise. I worked on the new orleans jazz and heritage festival for many years and the year after katrina sin oko sorry, excuse me, shell oil came in as a sponsor on day one of the things that they did was to provide a very large pool of volunteers, which was really invaluable because if you remember, after katrina, half the population of new orleans left, we could not have produced the festival without without that volunteer staff, and it was terrific, so volunteerism can be really important for an organization what’s we’ve identified what it is we’re bringing, and we’ve identified companies that are properly aligned similarly aligned, who should we approach let’s, say let’s say so let’s start with a large company, but you know your ah midsize, maybe organization, and they’ve got an office in or, you know, some kind of retail outlet or something in your community. You start at the local level, or do you go to the national office? You, if you’re an organization that is regionally or locally based, then you wantto work with the regional or local decision makers. So if they have a retail branch, for example, of a bank branch or it’s a retail. Organization. A retail company, you can get to know the branch manager or the you know, the general manager of the store. But the decision’s probably not going to be made there, though, that that person, depending on the company, could be an influencer of the person who’s making the decision, the decision’s going to be really made out of the marketing or communications or public relations office generally, depending depending on what the opportunity is. For example, if a new organization had an opportunity that was more environmental, they were an environmental organization. It could be made out of the csr office, the corporate social responsibility office. Or if the organization has some kind of a diversity initiative, then it could come out of the chief diversity office. Okay, adversity. Office of interesting. I was only thinking of marketing. I was thinking marketing budgets that’s where this would all be, but not necessarily right. Yeah, it’s usually marketing. But one of the things on a more sophisticated way of working a high performing way of working in corporate sponsorship is to really help an organization leverage sponsorship opportunity across multiple departments within the company. So if we have any corporate listeners listening, tuning in that’s that would be a tip that i would have for them to have to involve as many departments into your sponsorship opportunity is possible because that way you’re getting more value out of that investment and driving mohr business outcomes, not just marketing. This is on the non-profit side, you want to be looking, then at possibilities for maybe diversity volunteer opportunities, which should be hr hr. What else? Corporate public relations if there’s an environmental theme, corporate social responsibility, there could be sales initiatives there. If you had a media partner, they’re trying to drive sales and they’re trying to drive circulation and they’re looking at there could be a content opportunity. There could be an opportunities to bring there the writers or the radio personalities tto life s so there are all different kinds of, you know, all different kinds of channels, so that the idea is for the nonprofit organization to think really broadly and very creatively about all these ways to tie in. Excellent. I love it. Well, now we’ve identified who were going to and and where we should be starting who should? Who should make the initial inquiry? I guess if there’s a relationship like a boardmember, then they should make the first inquiry that yeah, that if you have a really somebody got relations, yes, that would be a good one, but to make the macon introduction or go, you know, go to lunch together, but see it’s, usually the development director, chief development officer, or sometimes there’s a corporate person on the staff of the nonprofit organization so that’s usually the person, if it’s a very small organization than sometimes it’s the executive director. But you want to make sure that the person i had this is another point of having high performing organizations selling sponsorship is you want to make sure that the person has both sales skills and marketing skills. Set your you’re actually in business development when you’re on the corporate sponsorship frontier. All right, why don’t you distinguish the two between sales and marketing? Yes, well, marketing is attracting people to you, and sales is actually selling going in closer yes, selling enclosing something. Yeah, and with corporate sponsorship, the type of selling that you’re doing is more of a consul. Tate of process. You’re building a relationship. You are, you know. Challenging the organization or the company and really helping to drive their business goals. So there’s a lot of relationship building and trust building that has to happen. This does not have to be around events, right? Event sponsorship. No, i mean, it works very well for sponsorship marketing. The hallmark of corporate sponsorship is that it’s experiential. So so that there’s a face to face interaction, that’s involved with it. But there are many ways that programs could be tied into it or other marketing initiatives or other kinds of opportunities within an organization and could very well then be longer term. Correct. I think you had said in the example you were talking about the building association, um, wasn’t that the homebuilders association one that a couple of year because there are a couple of sponsors that was a two year sponsorship for their home show, right? But it could there could be annual sponsorships that happened for organizations as well. Oh, so the event was a part of that? Correct. So it could be an event and just not stop with the event, but it continue, like could be leading up to and could be after, right? The that particular case, they sponsored boat two years of home show that that’s what that’s what? I just think that a lot of times the constraint is on ly around events were hosting an event, we need sponsors, right? And you want people to think broader than that? Correct ideo because you’re otherwise you’re missing opportunities you when you’re starting sponsorship, it takes a lot of propulsion to get your sponsorship program moving, so you want to focus on your best opportunity? You don’t want to waste time on a smaller opportunity, so you want to put more eggs in the baskets that are going to drive the best results and then and then keep building up these other opportunities. So if you only have one significant event and it seems to have a lot of potential, i would focusedbuyer rather than dispersing my energies across other opportunities. So for example, i’m working with an environmental organization in philadelphia right now, they’ve got one new event to other events that they’ve been building and building, and there are undoubtedly others opportunities for sponsors within their organizations, but we have been just been focusing on those that that new event in the other two events that they’re trying to really build. All right, you’re back in the meeting now, first meeting introductory meeting a lot of listening, i presume a lot of listening eighty to eighty percent of your time should be about listening twenty percent of your time should be talking. All right, what what kinds of questions are we asking so that we get answers and have things to listen to? Yeah, so that there are three things that you want to be doing when you go into a sponsorship opportunity like this and into this kind of discussion number one you want to build trust, and we build trust by having that other person and that company’s best interests at heart, especially that person, because that person is going to be making the decision. And so you want to be building a relationship and one part of this twenty percent of your time, you’re doing three things. You’re enthusiastically conveying information about your organization and about this opportunity, and you’re asking really good questions which i will get into in a second. You’re asking really good questions that are going to help you uncover the business objectives. Of the sponsor and at the same time build that trust and build the relationship. So you want to ask more questions about what their business objectives are? What are they trying to accomplish in there? Marketing plans for twenty, fifteen and beyond? You know, if you’ve done your research, you may have found just the perfect hot button that is something that they could focus on. So for example, maybe there’s a new product launch or there’s a merger that’s about to happen when either of those two kinds of situations and many others happened there tend to be more marketing dollars available, so you want to find the one, you know, the key priorities that the business has coming up, all right? And in the other twenty percent while you’re talking, you’re making an initial pitch, but, you know, trying to close this is just an introductory meeting, but but you’re trying to explain the alignment between your organization and there’s, correct? Yes, and you’re you’re enthusiastic leak, you know, conveying information about what that sponsorship opportunity is and to, you know, to sort of have corroborated what you’re thinking is the right approach for them. Yeah, so and then you’re asking questions, and as they’re talking, you’re listening and listening internally to think, yeah, i’m right on this, this this this event is, you know, this priority that they’re having is exactly what i should be focused on. All right, now you go back, you had your first meeting and let’s say, you know, there’s, some interest, okay? Basically, the the tenor of it is let’s keep talking, you go back, and now you’re obviously putting together everything that you heard and weaving that into what you’re trying to get out of this correct. And so if you’ve left that first meeting and there’s equal enthusiasm and they, you know, you feel like you’ve gotten all the information that you need, then you would go back and you would develop a proposal for them, and you would give them lots of different suggestions, you know, several different options and let them choose how they might be involved with your organisation. And so in the proposal, then you had outlined the different ways that they could be involved different opportunities that you’ve defined in the process of developing your sponsorship strategy for your organization. Now, if we’re not allowed to call these gold silver bronze? How are we explaining what’s available and what it would cost? Ah, well, in the proposal, you’re outlining what? You know what the value is, what the benefits are for each of the different options, and no, you don’t want to call it gold, silver, bronze, but you want to make sure that each of these different opportunities number one drives some business goal of the other theirs, and that integrates the company into something of the organizations, whether it’s a program or event let’s just taken event for now. S o, if you wantto weave it into the event in a meaningful way so that the the sponsor is really contributing something valuable to the event. So, for example, a long time ago, i worked with gibson guitar as a sponsor of one of the events that i was involved with fender, i prefer fundez yeah, fender was involved offenders involved too, but they weren’t you know, not not this year. Yes, gibson was involved, and so an idea that we had we didn’t have time to execute it, but one of the ideas that we brought to them was, wouldn’t it? Be great. Gibson has a lot of endorses and so we thought would be really great if we had an area where there endorses who are also playing on the festival’s could sign autographs. So you want to bring something that’s really meaningful to the event? Not just, you know, slap logo’s on things. Was that for the new orleans jazz and heritage festival? Yes, it was. With all right. Now we have presented the proposal, and it has happened with the client that you worked with in the home building association. Now we get a no way. We thought, you know, there might be something there, but we don’t see it any longer. Well, that can happen. So you have to go through a lot of you know, you have to go through a lot of prospects at the door. Might still be open door. Might still be alright. Let’s, continue with this prospect. Yeah, definitely need a pipeline. Right? You need to close a hundred percent, but let’s, continue with this one. Um we’d like to know what? What is it that didn’t doesn’t appeal, right. Exactly. So when you get that far along it’s, you know when you’re to the point where you’re writing a proposal. There’s probably pretty good interest, but if there’s not interest, suddenly yes, that that’s a great approach. You want to find out more about what what went wrong or why they’re not interested, or perhaps there’s a question? Or maybe they don’t understand something, but usually the response people get is that they wantto learn more about the they want to explore the costs more. They will come back and say, well, we don’t have this, we don’t have fifty thousand dollars in our budget. We’d rather do forty thousand dollars where we only have twenty thousand dollars or something, but still encouraging exactly. We can offer you less exactly for lower dollar direct, right? So that that’s what you do is just negotiate. How do we come up with these numbers that were going toe put two different alternatives that we’re offering is it’s strictly based on what our needs are if you just did. But based on what your needs are, then you really wouldn’t run a prophet in in having corporate sponsorship. S o there’s pricing sponsorship is one of the trickiest things to discuss because it’s one part art. One. Part science there, about two minutes left. Yeah, so it’s, based on it’s, based on the value that the sponsorship is delivering to the to the organisms that tough to pin down. Yeah, so there is some quantitative value. And then there are some qualitative intangibles that are factored in and that’s. Part of the strategy that you would develop is toe also developed the pricing strategy as well. Maybe other organizations could be helpful to you who have who’ve, or is there not really going to be willing to share so much about their details of their sponsorship? Sometimes other organizations air charging so little that that’s, not helpful. So don’t follow other people off the cliffs, correct? Let me finish with what it is that you love about the work that you’re doing twenty five, thirty years in in sponsorship work. Yeah, i’ve done every side of sponsorship development work, i’ve helped sponsors secure deals, i’ve sold sponsorship, and now it just brings me really great joy to see organisations you know suddenly have a paradigm shift and then be able to go out there and boldly, boldly go where they’ve not gone before and generate more revenue and really propel their organizations forward. And it just i really just gets so touched and so excited when somebody gets what i’m saying and they’re able tto to move their organization forward in that way. It’s it’s really thrilling your passion is clear. Gil bauer, you’ll find her at gail bauer dot com her sponsorship blawg is sponsorship strategist dot com and you can follow her on twitter at gail bauer. Thanks so much for being guests. Thank you. My pleasure. Thanks. Next up is jean takagi on board unity or descent? First generosity siri’s they host five k runs and walks small and midsize non-profits can’t get enough runners. Tau host their own event. You’re going to have twenty five people thirty you can’t host an event like that generosity. Siri’s brings the small and midsize charity community together so there can be a fun and valuable fund-raising run walk in new york city where i am seed their event. Just last month, there were twelve charities raised over a hundred fifty thousand dollars. They hosted one in philadelphia, nine charities raised over seventy five thousand dollars. They offer, you know, fund-raising portals and dashboards and social media tools and, ah, charity support team that you actually talk to. But all of that is to just bring small and midsize shops together tau host valuable fund-raising run, walk the events coming up in new jersey and also miami, florida. Dave lynn is the ceo. Please tell him that you’re from non-profit radio, you know, i like to talk to pick up the phone and talk to people seven one eight, five o six, nine triple seven if you prefer generosity siri’s dot com my video this week highlights to fund-raising day videos and also a jack nicholson movie on how aloma shared ideas about upgrading donors and marcy brenholz and i talked about thanking donors so that they’ll stay with you you after year and keep on giving. I played both of those on the show not too long ago, but i also want to share the fact that there is video of those two interviews from fund-raising day and the jack nicholson movie that i recommend is from nineteen seventy four it’s an excellent murder mystery, and this probably gives it away. It co stars faye dunaway and if you want to know what that movie is that i’m recommending, you have to watch the video. The video is that tony martignetti dot com that is tony’s take two for friday, fifth of december forty seventh show of this year. December already jean takagi, you’re out there, right? I am. Honey, i know you are. You’re the managing attorney of neo, the non-profit and exempt organizations law group in san francisco. That’s still true, right? Absolutely. And fire yourself. All right. And you also still edit the popular non-profit low block dot com and on twitter, you’re at g tak gt a k right. All correct. Okay. Just like the check. Double check the biographical information every every once in a while. And plus, being an attorney, i don’t like to ask questions that i don’t know the answer to, so i knew that was all correct. All right, gene, we’re talking about unity and dissent on your board this arose from, although we’re not going to nit pick the details of this, but this arose from a university of virginia proposal that that board members silence their descent and there was a little bit shocking for some people to read in the paper when they read about ebba talking about so sad, discouraging or actually prohibiting dissenting board members from publicly expressing their view. And that was just a proposed policy that somehow got released to the public, and some people were very, very upset about it thinking of it, a censorship on dh that caused them once, you know, the public was made aware of it. There was all sorts of articles in the washington post and other newspapers about it, and they rescinded that part of the proposal, but they kind of added a more common governance thought after about well, you can talk about your descent publicly, we won’t. We won’t chill that from happening, but once a decision is reached by the board. The board members each have a responsibility to ensure that the board’s actions and decisions are successfully implemented. So they really downgraded their initial thought. But it was a a source of a lot of controversy at the time. And i think it’s a really interesting subject. Yeah, i love that. Some dissenter released to the public, the non dissenting policy and that there that’s interesting at virginia. I just this is just a small detail, but they call their board the board of visitors. I thought that was interesting. Hey, i i i do it. Well, i don’t know what the historical artifact of that is, but it is their governing body. Yes. This’ll all go back to the days of this is from thomas jefferson, i think is the founder of via university that’s what a little bit ironic and some people’s mind about, right? You know, quenching public dissent? Yeah, this statesmen who spoke out of, um and they’re doing just the opposite. But askew said it turns out they’re not doing it, that that part of the proposal was was killed. There is, in fact, value in diversity and dissent. On aboard, right? Yeah, absolutely way need tohave open discussion then, in a lot of governance, experts will say having a culture that encourages open dissent is actually one of the most important indicators of bored effectiveness, the opposite being, you know, usually a culture of group think and rubber stamping one person’s decision and all just sort of reinforcing, you know, the first point of view that comes up rather than actively debating and thinking about, you know, critically thinking about what would be the best decision of the board amongst all of the possibilities. So so every board vote should not be one hundred percent in unanimous. In fact, it’s you’re saying it’s a good sign if there’s there is disagreement. Yeah, but, you know, from from time to time and that’s, you know, a pet peeve of mine and many other lawyers that work with non-profit boards to see by-laws that say board actions will only be taking taken if there is a unanimous vote in favor of aboard actions. That’s part of it really just chills, you know, the board from discussing, you know, individual boardmember from discussing their dissenting opinions. That’s part of some by-laws of some organizations, that has to be a one hundred percent vote. Yeah, i, um i got is an uncommon to find consensus. A required vote. Teo get bored. Action. Well, but consensus could be an easy majority or two thirds or something, but but you see it often that it’s one hundred percent unanimous requirement. Yeah. It’s not uncommon. I wouldn’t. I would i would say, you know, it’s, not the majority of by-laws permit that, but certainly i’ve seen several, uh, that that require one hundred percent consensus vote in order to take aboard action. And that is to promote their culture. What they feel like is a culture of unity. Mmm. All right, there are ways of dealing with the descent in a in a board discussion on dh valuing the honesty and the openness and the diversity if you just if you just manage and facilitate the conversation yeah, you know, you’re absolutely right. And i think it takes a really skilled chair of the board or whoever is the presiding officer at the board meetings to really encourage that. That dissent without letting it, you know, devolved into infighting and ah, and, uh, a culture where nobody wants to be there. And everybody is apprehensive about showing up at the next board meeting because there is that culture of stress and tension and disagreement. So it is a bit of a balancing act, and i think it actually like many, many things take some exercise in some effort. Teo, create that culture of open dissent where, you know, people can descent. This takes place in families too, doesn’t it, tony, especially in italian cultures, open dissent and at the dinner table, but always mine afterwards. Yeah, i went after the thanksgiving dinner at my cousin’s house. When, when i was walking down the sidewalk in getting into the car to drive home, i realized how quiet it was. I felt like i had been in a springsteen concert for, like, four hours. And then i was back at home and my ears were almost ringing. Yes. So there’s a healthy descent at least among my cacophonous family. Yeah, for sure. And my part of the family. And i have ah, through marriage, some italian family as well. Yes, it is this healthy dissenting atmosphere, but it’s very vibrant it’s encouraging of discussion. Um, and at the end of the day, they can move forward. So, you know, creating that culture is not necessarily the easiest thing, especially for non-profit board, who may not meet so often like the way family gets to meet andi, everything gets remedy, you know, the next time they have dinner. But when you meet, like once every other month or once every quarter ah, and that’s, the only time you see these people, you may be a little hesitant about, you know, starting a fight by by presenting a dissenting views. So i think it takes practice. And, you know, one way you might practise is and there’s some dangerous to this as well. But in short, formal, just say creating a doubles advocate for a particular issues, you know, and particular issue, maybe where the board all seas, the thing you know, in the same light and would all vote unanimously in favor of it. Maybe at that time assigning one person to just raise issues and take the other part and encouraging discussion to see what happens. And you may end up with still the same opinion, but aboard that’s learned to discuss things a little bit more. Vigorously and critically look att issues and way ah ah, conflicting viewpoints, there’s a policy governance model from interestingly, from a married couple, the carvers that has some very good ideas for howto manage this whole process and maintain good governance. Yeah, and they’re they’re aspects of the carver policy governance model that i really like, and it is a model that encourages discussion, even passionate disagreement, i think they say to rip represent the diversity on the board, hopefully the diversity in all kinds of ways, on the board, with different perspectives in different ways of looking at things. But i think part of the model says is once you’ve made a vote, you know whether it’s a unanimous vote or if it’s a five for a slim majority vote and that’s enough to take board action, the ceo and the staff have got to treat it the same way. It’s a board decision in favor of going a certain direction and that’s what needs to be implemented. And so the carver model goes on to say, you know, if a boardmember descent, you know, with that, well, you should absolutely record that descent. So in a five, four vote, you’ll record those who have presented their dissenting opinions, not necessarily by name. However, if they don’t want their name to be to be entered into there, if they’re minutes or public, they may feel that that might, um, chill feature board discussion if they’re not in the majority. So, you know, it could just indicate that there was a five four vote and anybody who wants to be on record as dissenting should have their name recorded otherwise, maybe not, but if if if you do disagree with it and you want to go out and publicly say it, we don’t chill that process, you let them say that, but they’ve got to balance that with a duty of confidentiality, so they have to make sure that they’re not releasing confidential information out there. They have to be careful of not chilling board participation in future discussions. So if they go, you know, john smith disagreed with me, and he came up with all sorts of terrible arguments in favor of that. Well, that’s not going to be a healthy way to descend, you know, naming out individual board members who disagreed with you and, you know, taking down their argument without the chance for them to present the other side. And then i think what’s important about the carver model. The balance is that if a boardmember disagrees, they should go on to say, on the record, whoever they’re speaking out to in the public, that the process used by the board with proper so they disagreed, but they were in the minority. But the process used was proper to get all those things out there and that hopefully we’ll create a good culture of open dissent and ability to express dissenting views in public without harming the organization. All right, there was a lot in there that this is getting into the details. Very interesting of good governance, right? I mean, a lot of times we talk about good governance and it stops with well, you should have a conflict of interest policy. You have a whistle blower policy document retention. But this is getting into the process of board meetings that created good governance and proper oversight. Yeah, and you know, onboarding typically take actions and board meeting. So how boardmember ings air run? How their chairs, what type of discussions you choose toe have. Board meetings when in the meeting do you take your, you know, place your most important discussions? Maybe it shouldn’t be approving the board minutes right at the front where everybody, you know has the energy to vigorously discuss important issues. Maybe that gets put in the back. So prioritizing what you’re goingto, you know, discussed at the board meetings and creating that culture of open descent and possibly allowing everybody toe argue different points beforehand, circulating that in the board agenda and sort of meeting prep materials would be a very good and healthy way to get bored to be able to discuss the most important things to the organization because boards are ultimately in charge of the organization. You mentioned the agenda, and this ah, this carver policy governance model, which, by the way, you’ll find it. Carver governance dot com has something to say about the agenda who should be creating the board agenda because that could that could be a source of of dissension also is what belongs on our agenda for the month or whatever. For the for the meeting. Yeah, that’s, that’s absolutely true. I don’t actually, i’m not familiar with how, how carver’s model treats who will create the what’s? What typically done is is bored chairs. After conferring with the executive, the executive director’s, ceo of the organization developed the agenda. But i think knowing what i do about policy governance, it is openly encourage other board members to chime in as the chair developed the agenda to figure out what topics are most important to the organization and figuring out at that point how to proceed with finalizing the agenda and the meeting materials beforehand on dh that’s, very consistent with what carver recommends in there in there model, which is that the board developed its agenda. Not that the ceo create the agenda for the board. Yeah, you know, that’s, uh, i don’t wantto go too far off, but that’s sort of the problem with when the board acts by written consent because whoever drafts that that consent and circulates it is possibly planted just one point of view and argued only one side of it. And that can be very persuasive. And nobody has had a chance to look at the other side. So developing an agenda with only one point of view can make things look very, very one sided in developing organisation that just rubber stamp the chair’s decisions. Okay, we’re going to go out for a break for a few minutes. You mentioned a consent agenda for the break you’re in, george, in jail for that, and we come back. I’ll offer you a quick, a quick parole stay with us. 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Duitz i’ve got more live listener to love to send out ottawa on ontario, canada, ottawa, the capital city of canada welcome live listener love to ottawa in china we’ve got coming! Ni hao my first guest, gail bauer, did some work in china for the great wall foundation. I believe it is. I know she did work with a couple of clients in china. We’ve got hanoi, vietnam, we’ve got turkey, germany and seoul, south korea on yo haserot turkey and germany. I’m sorry, we can’t see your cities your mask, but we know that your country is represented live listener love to you and naturally podcast pleasantries, everybody listening in the time shift wherever the heck you maybe arjun takagi the you didn’t actually say the phrase consent agenda. I put that together for you and locked you up in george in jail, but you said consent and you were referring to agenda, so i’ll give you half a break. So could we explain what consent agenda is sure, andi, you know, i didn’t realize that i did not say that i thought i was accused and i was guilty, okay? But i don’t think we’re a consent agenda. Is basically a group of routine, typically procedural, self explanatory, noncontroversial decisions that the board has to make, like approving the minutes of the last meeting, approving committee actions that were very non controversial and it’s done all in one action. So rather than going through them one by one and having a lot of discussion about each one if they don’t deserve that discussion, it’s just something that should have been read before the meeting. It’s all presented on the consent agenda, one person moved to adopt it, it gets seconded, approved and then it’s done and you don’t have to spend, you know, half to your board meeting talking about thes routine on controversial board actions that everybody should have read before hand and instead of, you know, having them read it at at the meeting and wasting everybody’s time. Thank you very much. Probation granted a parole parole granted program when how do we know when a boardmember has gone too far? You suggested that its fine for board members to speaking descent as long as they’re they’re not speaking on behalf of the board and they and they say that, but when does a boardmember go? Too far. Yeah. I wish i had one easy answer to that. And i think i mentioned before, you know, balancing against being a balancing that openness against the duty of confidentiality. So not giving away any confidential information and also not harming any individual on the board or sabotaging, if you will, the board action that ultimately was taken by majority vote, even though you were dissenting on it. So if you try to unwind and unwrap it, that that’s probably not acting in the best interest of the organization could harm the organization and their four year breaching your fiduciary duties. But exactly when when you cross the line is not always clear. For example. And if you thought the board had approved an unlawful action both well, that’s going to be you do need to speak out. And at worst case, you need to bring it to the attention of ah, the authorities in much more common cases. Maybe it’s something if you if you feel very strongly about that, you send a private letter out each boardmember and ceo. And if somebody asks you about it, you just say you disagreed with it vigorously. But the process used again was proper, and a majority voted the other way. And if you really can’t live with that decision, think about resigning from the board, okay, the private letter to the individual boardmember is that’s an interesting approach, but that’s discreet but still could be very firm, right? And i think it allows you to state your argument in a way that you can get all your points across the way you might not be able to do at a board meeting when you know everybody’s interrupting each other and there’s this vigorous discussion amongst, you know, five, ten, fifteen, twenty people all trying to chime in in a short amount of time. Would you be asking if you felt that strongly about something for the board to reconsider its decision and have the discussion again at another board meeting? If it’s the type of decision that can be reconsidered, maybe it’s something that’s going to be ah, strategic ah plan for the future and not a contract that has already been signed on dh where you can’t back out of it. If it’s something that far off enough that the board decision can be reversed in the organization can change course without any harm, and then yes, i think the board can reconsider it if if they didn’t get a chance to hear your arguments, perhaps because the board meeting pets short didn’t give a chance give you the opportunity to put out all your points that you thought were very important, sending it in a board letter, at least to the chair of the board. But but possibly toe all board members and and the executive might might be the right thing to do. Do you see money? Occasions? And we just have about a minute and a half left where an outside facilitator could be valuable for for these these kinds of difficult discussions in board meetings. Yeah, you know, i think when when the board starts to disagree each other and creates this culture, not only have open dissent but of open, uh, hostility, yeah, so just where they can’t stand each other anymore, i think you really need to get a facilitator to help figure out the process and howto get boardmember to understand their different viewpoints. You also have tio select board members very carefully not only fruit for their diversity and skills and backgrounds, but also for their ability. Tio operate in a culture that that encourages dissent on where they they’re not afraid to speak out, even if they may not be in the majority view point. That’s, that’s really important in our democracy and certainly in aboard as well my voice just went up like a high school girl like you often voice cracked like a fourteen year old, and i do that all the time. No, but it is very important. That’s a very, very interesting point two to bring in the recruitment process the not only the skill that you might be seeking real estate attorney, whatever, but fitting into the culture of the organization and the culture of the board. I i think that could even be a valid statement for the organisation when it when it, you know, thinks about all of the valleys that it wants to to promote is encouraging dissenting views as a core governance or organizational values sametz okay, jean, we’re gonna leave it there. I want to thank you very much. You will find jeans, blawg at non-profit law blogged dot com and on twitter, you’ll find him at g. Tack again, jean, thanks so much. Thank you tell you, have a happy holiday, thank you very much, you two we’ll talk next month thanks next week, amy sample ward returns you know her she’s, our monthly social media contributor and the ceo of and ten non-profit technology network. She’s. Always excellent. 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I was a guest at a meeting of Executive Women in Nonprofits, part of the New York Society of Association Executives. I interviewed Maria Cuomo Cole, chair of HELP USA, talking about relationships that have helped her professionally.
Then we broadened to a group discussion.
Brave executive women opened themselves to the 30 in attendance revealing how all kinds of relationships helped them get where they are. The stories moved me to tears.
At that moment, I felt I was invisibly witnessing women talking when there isn’t a man in the room. In fact, there were two of us. The other was silent and, as facilitator, I was not.
Of course, I can never be a live witness to women talking when there isn’t a man in the room. But that was how I felt.
Thankfully, it was captured in HD video which you can play below.
Members of Executive Women in Nonprofits, I thank you for inviting me. My special thanks to leader Holly Koenig.
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Tony’s Guests:Maria Cuomo Cole: Relationships
Maria Cuomo Cole, philanthropist and board chair of HELP USA, shares the professional value of all her relationships (including her mom!) and how they’ve helped her and HELP USA succeed. We talked at the June meeting of Executive Women in Nonprofits, part of the NY Society of Association Executives (NYSAE).
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Durney hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host it’s friday, july nineteen oh, i hope you’re with me last week why i didn’t do it dermatitis if it came to my attention that you had missed measuring the network non-profit with beth cantor she’s, co author of the network non-profit and measuring the network’s non-profit and she talked to me a tte fund-raising day last month about wide engagement and measuring your multi-channel outcomes and goodbye google alerts maria simple, our prospect research contributor and the prospect finder had free alternatives in case google alerts disappear this week. Mario cuomo, cole on relationships miss cole, a philanthropist and board chair of help yusa shares the professional value of all of her relationships, including her mom and how they’ve helped her and help yusa succeed. We talked at the june meeting of executive women in non-profits, which is a part of the new york society of association executives and tumbler tactics. Amy sample ward, our social media contributor, co author of social change, anytime everywhere and ceo of inten, explains the value of tumbler how to decide whether you should be in tumbler, blogging and how to get started between the guests on tony’s, take two there’s a myth going around planned e-giving that we’ve got planned e-giving covered, and i think a lot of non-profits actually don’t have it covered talk about that. My pleasure. Now, to introduce my interview with maria cuomo cole, i do want you to know that the second half of this interview so after the break, there’s a part of the discussion because we at the meeting, we opened up the conversation to a broad discussion. Part of discussion is kind of quiet, little low. I know about it already. You don’t have to tweet or email everything i know, but a couple of women said some very poignant things about relationships in their lives, and i wanted to include it. It’s, not silent, but if you have had headsets or earbuds, you may wanna use those in the second half of this maria cuomo cool interview. Here you go, everyone welcome. We’re at a meeting of the executive women in non-profits a shared interest group of the new york society of association executives. You will find them at n y. U s a net dahna that was the obligatory video in trim for this will be on youtube in a couple of weeks, and you’ll all get the link from holly and very shortly, it’ll also beyond my pad podcast on a non-profit radio you’re talking about relationships today and first i’m goingto have a chat with maria, and then after that, we’re going to open it up and have you share some stories about relationships that have been important to you personally or professionally and how those have helped you professionally. Lots of different kinds of relationships, whether their peers, people working for you people work. You work for mentor mentee, lots of different possibilities. I’m very pleased to introduce my voice. Just crack. Did you hear that? Pleased to like a sixteen bad alex. Like a sixteen year old, my voice is cracked. Very pleased to introduce maria cuomo. Cole she’s, the chair of the board of help yusa, a leading developer of housing for those suffering homelessness and low income she blocks for the huffington post she’s, a film producer and a philanthropist. We’re gonna learn more about all of her work. Maria cuomo, call. Welcome. Thank you it’s a real pleasure to have you. Why don’t you start telling us a little about maura about help us? We’ll help you say, uh, well, our mission is to create opportunities through housing and services to help stabilize families and crises and individuals and crises who are not living independently. Andare are long term mission is to help those individuals sustain housing stability. And we do that through a very innovative a real estate model of permanent housing with support services on site, child care services, employment, mental health counseling, etcetera. Is there also something transitional before people are bottle? Actually, yes. The model was actually created in the nineteen eighties. Find my brother andrew, um, during the koch administration as a family transitional homeless model and that that model has grown in new york. We have over two hundred colleagues today providing transitional homeless services and thie help model was named a congressional model in nineteen, eighty seven and b has become part of each administrations working with homeless populations across the country. Actually, our permanent housing model is a more sophisticated application, basically another another financial model that has enabled us to provide a long term permanent housing for the same populations um, including a lot of veterans latto very is a no that’s. Homelessness is a yeah fine problem. That’s unfortunately true. One and four homeless men is a veteran that’s been the case? Actually, for many years some say that the number is closer now to one point three one out of three. There are sixty one thousand homeless veterans each night, sleeping on the streets in america, which is just devastating for women as well. And for women, well, for female vets is a growing population that have that are largely underserved. Um and it’s, a population that help yusa has tailored programmes to accommodate there has been improvement. The va has quickly improved and expanded their services for women and for young for young veterans returning the Numbers were as high as 1 hundred twenty one even hyre two hundred thousand homeless veterans just three years ago. So so things are improving, but a great deal of work needs to be done quickly to accommodate our returning veterans. You have some interesting revenue sources, including comfort foods. I saw a chocolate. You, my brandraise sample. Try and focus for the morning. But no way try everything. Yes, we’ve been able to use our help, yusa, artwork and the brand for some social enterprises, we’re very fortunate to be one of the nineteen eighties non-profits in new york that benefited so generously by, uh, keep bearing such a remarkable talent artist philanthropist in his own right said such a generous spirit, the organization can’t achieve this kind of success and prominence on its own so let’s move and talk a little about relationships how have generally relationships been important? To help us is growth and to your, you know, your professional ball so well, i mean, relations abroad, a broad question, but i mean the very model, uh, of help usa, the innovative model is really one of public private sector partnership, and the model on lee only works because we have the interests of serving special needs constituency using private resources and public a public resource opportunity. So local governments, state government, federal government, private banking communities, for-profit uh, businesses and individuals, all i have to really partner work together in order, tio, create a bill, help residents and provide services long term on dh for you personally, relationships, whether they’re let’s. Let’s, start with. Since there were talking about the organization, level your relationships with peers that other organisations, whether for-profit or non-profit, well, our community. I’m partial. I think that the new york city non-profit community as a whole is really, really the most robust, professional, sophisticated and collaborative in the country. Ground experience. Um, and i think we really set a standard here for communities around. Give a shout out for new york city, new york city. Relationships, collaboration. And now in our in our space of developing housing and services for special needs populations, uh, provider community has has been extremely collaborative through the years. In fact, when my my brother andrew was hud secretary, we were required in new york city to work as a consortium application for funding toe hood. So, you know, the mayor’s office communities, state and providers had to work cooperatively at designing assessment and and proposing strategies for support so there’s no greater exercise than to bring two hundred plus organisations into, uh, into one collaborative application process. Andi, i think the community works very well in maximizing core strengths, individual agencies to work with populations that they have the head home to the expertise to serve. Uh, i know our agency and many others try hyre very, very hard not to recreate the wheel. You know ourselves if we are providing services in the bronx for children. And the children’s aid society, for example, is a very prominent agency, of course in new york city for youth services. We’ve turned to them to ask them to help with, you know, with complimentary services for our homeless youth after school. And in many in many such examples, we’ve been able to better serve our populations on dh there could be challenges to in in for exam, for instance, bringing together two hundred organizations or even just partnering oneto one there has to be compromised and saying little about overcoming some of those challenge that’s true that’s true, i mean, i think that our experience has has been that when there is a need that another organization can serve and we’re providing, we’re providing whether it’s, the constituency, the population, the resource of our buildings, for example, we have beautiful community spaces and, you know, retail space that a lot of non-profits need to deliberative services so that’s ah, point of partnership and and, uh, coop cooperative collaboration, um, so we we really haven’t encountered i can’t say that we really encountered problems in that regard, it’s such a rich community in new york of service providers that we have been able to find partnerships to serve our families, our single homeless individuals, veterans, children and really enhance our overall delivery. 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I hope your thing close attention because new york is not a unfriendly place should come. You should come. You should visit. You should collaborate. Way all know this here in the room. So i’m speaking to those who are watching from outside new york were not unfriendly here we welcome you. We want to work with you. We want to collaborate. Let’s, move to the personal side, i think dahna all of us benefit from personal mentor mentee relationships, maybe with peers. Other colleagues say little about how that’s helped your professional. Well, this is my twentieth year with help u s a all right, a measurable amount of time. Two decades. And i could say, you know, some of the relationships that we’ve developed through the years with private businesses with other non-profits have really helped our model flourish, you know? I can i can say kapin partnerships with unrelated businesses to specifically what we do with bloomingdale’s the retailer, we’ve had a very close partnership with them for now. Over fifteen years, serving children have been volunteermatch entering youth program. That’s got to mean that you have a good relationship with the ceo there or someone at the high level. And then you and the children from the ceo’s leadership, of course, is always essential and establishing the value of voluntarism within a company, certainly and cooperative spirit it’s gotta trick your spirit has to trickle down, but, you know, they have a fantastic executive team that really cares very much about giving back to the communities and our partnership that started in new york with volunteer mentoring after school mentoring for at risk youth has grown teo all of their forty stores across the country, really expanding our model and our service delivery. You have some specific advice for the relationship between the ceo or chair and the volunteer board of trustees within the organization to help us, you know, here, too, we’ve been blessed with tremendous, tremendous board leadership through the years, um, individuals who bring different sorts of talents and acumen to help us do what we do, which is a fairly sophisticated, complex collection of services. So whether the individuals have business acumen, real estate, finance, thie arts, education, health um it’s, a very mixed group and there’s always that challenge there’s always that challenge. Of finding the right trusty who has the skills that you’re lacking and we know there were plenty of attorneys, there are plenty of sepa is but finding that right, one who works well with the mission believes in the mission and is going to be a value to the board. Yes, that’s true, that is true. Our board members tend to be tend to be long timers, too. I can’t think i can’t think of more than one or two cases where board members have actually had to leave for different reasons moving, you know, changes, work or environment, but it’s a very, very committed team, and we work hard building those relationships and really keeping our board very engaged. We need their service, we need there their contributions. So we tried to make careful matches of program, area and growth area where they can, you know, really make a difference and participate, contribute and and that’s critical to find out what they want to contribute to what programs interest them so that they are used in the best of the best are definitely yes, i’d say that’s true, absolutely. On the sort of on the more personal side of know your mom has been and important mentor for you say, say something about that, my mother, my mother jokes that she works for me, and i joke that i worked for her. I think it goes both ways. Sometimes i see we actually have been running her one two, one youth mentoring program since nineteen ninety four. She had started it in the early eighties, she’s truly a national pioneer and the mentoring movement, and, uh and believes in it passionately and developed an excellent model that is still used today. Um, she started it in the early eighties in new york state schools to lower the dropout rate and focused on foster care aged out. You and we’ve been able to maintain and nurture and grow that model since nineteen ninety four into mentoring yusa, which is delivering services in eleven markets around the country and really thrives on partnership because, of course, it’s, a volunteer mentoring program, we work closely with the corporate community and community organizations. The model is expert in training mentors, so very good at the engagement piece of bringing a volunteer in working. With them improving their skills and then managing and, uh, providing support for that volunteer. Want one it’s very special mentoring partnership. What would you, uh, would you say you’ve learned most important you’ve learned from your mom? Oh my gosh, she is remarkable still today at i won’t sit well, she loves being a tea, so i can say that she absolutely loves being eighty and celebrated it now she’s more than eighty and she is just a dynamo. She contributes to the program significantly, strategically, operationally still, and i’ve learned everything about how to well, i’ve learned everything really about what voluntarism means from her she’s always prized that word that term, we don’t use it much in our non-profits space, i think to an extent it becomes the notion of volunteering just becomes part of what you do, right? And we were working with volunteer constituents. We don’t often value their contribution of giving personal time and making that commitment, which really is a very special special make perhaps the most special sort of contribution, and she values and prize is it reminds me to respect it and honor it all the time. How did you learn? That that ethic growing up, she was always doing it, and she always no matter what you know her period of life. Wass but, you know, as a young age, she had us out you no selling daffodils for american cancer society, and this spring, i mean, i had no idea what even wasit was so young, you know, we sort of just followed her along, like her ducklings and all her various activities, whether it was, you know, school, church, american cancer society, other you no other formidable non-profit efforts always service oriented, and then, of course, in her work with my father, their mission was service, of course, that their lives have been dedicated to public service. And how can we pay this forward to the next generation of non-profit ceos? You know, i think that you i think for every non-profits ceo on dh through the staff line and the board lines, you know, again, i think that people, especially here in our community, i think people really, um, value and respect what they’re doing, they’re making a clear choice, making a clear choice to work in a non-profit environment, everybody knows that most likely you’re going to make more money in the private sector. So you’re you’re making a choice, you’re making a sacrifice and i believe that’s because you’re a person of mission and and, you know that passion it’s what allows you to do the best work? And and how can we be good role models for the for the next-gen coming, the next generation, i think, is to, you know, it’s summertime, we all have this valuable prized interns it’s, you know, include them, include them in the work, really mentor them the mentoring, uh, mentorship we can all provide now at this point in our careers is really very, very important and valuable. Um, and i think we could do that with our co workers with our young leaders is to just, you know, really be their share with them and support them and there’s often a lot that we can learn from those were mentor from the mission, yes, we need to stay sharp, yeah, in things that they’re much better versed in. Yeah, and that doesn’t only mean social media and technology, but we’re going to talk about that in the bigger discussion miree anything you want to leave, leave. Viewers listeners with around the value of of of a relationship on gets its report lies as supposed the relationship with are your viewers, our listeners today, that non-profit initiatives work because of public support, that it’s it’s, not just the small universe that we design and interact with, but it is the greater community, and that we need the support. We need the interest of the greater community. Teo, please follow us. Watch us think about how you can contribute and be apart of the work. Thank you very much. Thank you for sharing your expertise and your experience. Fremery in-kind. I’d like to open up tio to a real group discussion. Who wants to share a story of a mentor? That was that was important to you. Excellent. Yeah, linda. Miree treyz i don’t want to put you on the spot to single someone out, because then that’s. Not fair. But i’m sure women all know who you’re. They all know who you’re talking about. Oh, there you go. Your strategy. No. Yeah. Hyre wells was the share. Ah, a story from someone who was important to your influential to you. Maybe not. A formal may not have been a formal mentor. Mentee, please. Thanks, michelle. Hyre it sounds like randy was always there for you, either formally or informally, right on the record or off the record. Yeah. Beautiful. Thank you. Thanks, michelle. How about others? Anybody on the left side of the room? One somebody who was important. Police wonder what about a special project? Four. Introduce yourself, please. I want the special projects report issue i want with outside consultant had been a corporate person for a very long time. This this particular opportunity was really fairly new for me, and he was really great at a kind of coaching me counseling me on a lot of some of the things that we needed to do some of the things you expect because it was very successful, whether there would be what panels or or other things that you would be invited, too, because i was a person who worked on the project and he was just very generous with his thoughts about what was going to happen next, what to expect and something sounding board to kind of know how to respond sometimes wasn’t a formal mentor, like lots of programs with someone somewhere else is mental, but it’s just sort of up a relationship that you kind of developed with somebody because you seem to have some sort of kinship and they’re just going to be generals with heimans thoughts just trying to help you go in the right direction and help successful and that’s really important. So whether it’s an organization like this or whether it’s i’m something should happen to work outside, those people kind of help you shape your life. What do you make a really excellent point about us having to be open to these kinds of relationships? You just never know who the next person is going to be. That khun, you know, help in a small way, helping a really long term, valuable way the way wanda and michelle are talking about. We just have to be open to these. And they’re not as you said, wanted. Not always formal. Not always. This person is assigned to you a lot of times, right? People just come into our lives, and i think we need to be open tio to the possibilities. Uh, you know, holly, please. Good morning, falik connick, vice president, accounting company. Listening to maria talked about her mom and i heard a top about her mom before. It reminds me when i grow up. Grew up in the early sixties. I know it stays. When all my friends mom’s home, you know, and she was having and i was having dinner with my baby sitter, my mom was always working. I wasn’t a very well child. I had a lot of healthy hands. I always thought that when i got older, my life would be a little limited with what i could do with my career. And my mom used to always say to me, holly, when somebody tells you that you can’t do something, you just keep keep going at it and you just keep going at it on my mom today, next week, could you usedto work continues to try heimans you’re so crap, because i’ve been where i have been for twenty five, you’re like the rest of you being in the non-profit morning in-kind mama’s variety has nothing that i haven’t been able to in all my years and so on. My mentor holly. Thank you, it’s. Very touching, thanks very much. Stephen colbert. I don’t know if any of you saw this brooke broke character, which i don’t know if it’s impressive probably is unprecedented broke his his character on is on the show for the first four minutes. I think it was two days ago wednesday to pay tribute to his mom, who just died. I do. That was so touching. You know, he is the guy. I mean, i’ve seen him live and he, you know, it’s very rarely breaks character, but i hear him to see him do that. That was special in itself. And then just the words no r hyre very special tribute. So, thanks a lot. Thanks for sharing my thanks to everybody at that shared interest group of se e the executive women in non-profits there was a very, very lovely and times touching meeting. A lot of the women shared some very poignant stories, and i appreciate that it was it was really lovely to be there. And so my thanks to you, everyone there i gotta live listener love before we take this break. Tons of people in new york, freeport, new york, new york, new york, hicksville, new york’s a long island two out of three long island newport, north carolina. I’m going to be there soon. Reston, virginia and oregon lake oswego. I wonder if it’s amy live listener love to everybody, though. Is that those that’s everybody? In the u s but continuing in north america reinardy mexico. Welcome, live, listen, love to you and going further south. Campiness, brazil. Welcome. Lots of visitors in asia will get to them. Right now. We go away for a couple seconds when we come back. Tony’s, take two, and then amy sample ward on tumbler tactics. Stay with me e-giving thinking, shooting, getting, thinking things, you’re listening to the talking, alternate network waiting to get in. E-giving good. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? 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Latto if you have big ideas and an average budget tune. Tony martin. Any non-profit radio we dio i’m jonah helper, nari team in co founders of next-gen charity dahna welcome back that gentleman whose voice you heard say you’re listening to talking alternative broadcasting he’s from australia and i just met him about a half an hour ago. He was in studio he’s, now a buddhist monk. I don’t know what his name is now, but at the time that he that recording he was his name was giorgio rivetti. I don’t know. I don’t know what he uses now, it’s sam says he still uses george over petty so he’s but he’s but he’s provoc rah george, your petty a buddhist monk um, more live listener love, asia gotta hit asia hard. Lots of listeners in seoul, south korea, thank you very much. And also in sioux on korea live listener love to everyone in korea on your haserot fuck uac of japan in chino, maya, japan and tokyo welcome live listener love, konichiwa, it’s, time for tony’s take two there’s this myth going around non-profits i’ve heard it for many years as someone who does planned e-giving consulting and that is that if you have someone in your organization who has planned giving in their title, then you’ve got planned, giving covered it’s taken care of and what that full short when that title is shared with some other title like i’ve seen director of annual giving and planned e-giving i’ve seen director of major gifts and planned e-giving i’ve seen foundation and planned giving fund-raising, and the problem becomes that any of those things or others that plan giving might be paired with in one person’s job responsibilities job spec is that everything will take priority over planned e-giving because anything that you pair it with will have more immediate deadlines that’s especially true in annual giving any e-giving sometimes has weekly production goals and certainly monthly, but anything you pair it with, it’ll have more immediate deadlines, and it’ll be more immediate cash to the organization because planned e-giving is cash to the charity at the donor’s death, in most cases, a couple of exceptions, but most it’s at the donor’s death. So the other thing that the plan giving his paired with is always going to take precedence and it’s going to get a lot more time than the proportional representation it has in the title. So if it’s half the title, it’ll probably get about five percent of the time if it’s a third of the title, i have seen it paired with two other things once it’ll probably get two percent of the time. So just because you have planned giving in someone’s title, you don’t have plan giving covered for your non-profit that’s not on my block at tony martignetti dot com this week, it will be, but it’s not, i wanted to just raise it irrespective of it not being on the block and that is tony’s take two for friday, nineteenth of july twenty ninth show of the year. I’m having a hard time believing it’s nineteenth of july amy sample ward is with me you know her high i love so having a hard time believing it’s the nineteen no kidding, but you’re not supposed to talk yet. I didn’t give you the proper introduction. Oh my gosh, yeah, i blew it! She’s, the ceo at non-profit technology network and ten her most recent co authored book is social change anytime everywhere about online multi-channel engagement, her blog’s that amy sample, ward dot or ge? And on twitter she’s at amy r s ward. Welcome amy sample aboard hello, we’re talking about tumbler today, but you’re out and you’re out in oregon in the portland area. I am. I think that live listener out in oregon was not me. It must be someone else related. Lake, we go. Oh, it is oswego, not a wego. Okay, oswego. Thank you. You’ve corrected me in the past about pronouncing oregon, which i have now. It’s ah, weak a sweet go. Thank you. But you are in portland proper. Is that true? Yes. Panepento office eyes right downtown. Okay. The city of roses i found yes, sophie of roses. Even have a rose festival and a rose garden. Yes, i don’t. You have a research rose garden upon a mountain? I think i read. So you’re the city of roses in in the beaver state. Excellent. Exactly. Okay, we’re talking about tumbler this month. Yeah, you know, way whenever we talk about specific social media channels or how to use the social tools, i feel like you and i always get back, teo, at least a couple of minutes talking about staffing. And i thought that was so appropriate after your take two today. Because whether it’s fund-raising or you know any of the other kind of tools and communications that we’ve talked about on the show before, just because someone has a title does not mean that is the only person that could do that work or that is responsible for that work. So, you know, today talking about tumbler think it gets categorized into ah, blawg, you know, because it kind of functions and that that’s the way the content operates, but that doesn’t mean that just because you have a staff person who normally puts content onto your website that they’re the person that’s now going to be managing if you have a tumbler account, you know, it has to be based on what we need outside the organization is who’s reading that content? Where is the content coming from? On dh, how do you deliver that? Not whose title inside of the organization is tumbler manager, you know? Yeah, i see tumbler often called a microblogging site, and i don’t really think that does it justice it’s it’s so much more than what what people think of is blogging. So i think the first thought when you see that description is not going to be as rich’s tumbler really is. Yeah, that’s a great point, i mean the description of it as a micro blogging is trying to be objective about how the content works because it does like a block have, you know, each post going chronologically, and you can put your content in their etcetera and it’s, you know, a static kind of place, but i’ve finally seen over the last few months, people really recognizing that tumbler is a social platform, not necessarily like a social network in the way that you think of facebook, for example, but the purpose of it is social. When allison and i were doing research on the kinds of user demographics of all different major social platforms, when we were putting the book together, one thing that surprised us too see written down is the number but didn’t surprise us from the qualitative experience side is that the majority of tumblers content is re blogged, meaning i posted something on my tumbler and you liked it and you, you know, re posted it onto your tumblr like a re pending on pinterest, yeah, so if we’re retweet into him, has to be a social platform if all the content is getting shared around and the purpose, you know. Of having your tumbler is kind of like, um, it’s a little bit if you want to think about it, like pinteresque, where you’re there and engaging and checking out other people’s content because you’re kind of curating your space, you know? And and that means you’re going to pull from all different users because you’re creating this one, you know, tumbler account that that’s all on your topic or whatever you do, you want to say so? It’s definitely social and i think that’s why organizations, they’re starting to realize it may have a role in their content plan and their community engagement plan because it isn’t just one more place for their randomly posting content. You know, there are people really engaged there, okay? And it’s also visual there’s a big visual content, which reminds me of pinterest and a little bit of facebook, facebook is pretty visual, too heimans has that beyond you know what? What you’d think of if you hear microblogging has this visual aspect, yeah, exactly. And so there’s there’s so many visual type platforms now that are gaining tons of popularity, we saw that huge spike in adoption for a pinterest but now we’re also seen instagram and vine and then instagrams video because of vine, so these this focus on pictures or really short videos and wanting to engage, you know, around a visual piece of content less so that the traditional kind of a block post where your you’ve written out some tacks on and i think what’s great about tumbler, is that it is such a hybrid, you know, it isn’t like pinterest where it is just going to be photos all over the place, and just by the functionality of the tool, the text is often kind of hidden or rolled up, you know, you have to click on it to see what the caption may have been or what the comments were it’s really trying to be photo first or a blogger where it’s obviously text first, so tumbler kind of merges them together where the photos are really prominent or video or whatever you’ve posted there, but it doesn’t hide whatever text you do include also sort of like twitter it’s it’s pretty quick moving too? Yeah, for sure i mean both from the user sample, you know it’s pretty easy, tio, if you have the app. On your phone or you’re doing it from the web, you know, just post that quick photo. It integrates with lots of platforms so people could be auto posting to tumbler every time they, you know, save content somewhere else. But as faras the digesting of that content inside the followers of your tumbler, i mean, tumbler just has really high numbers as faras people, you know, total engaged users, active users, users, they log in regularly, but also people, you know, using the mobile site, checking at multiple times a day to follow along. So it is fast moving, i think because people keep checking it. And so then people want to keep adding to it all the time. We have just about a minute before we go away for a couple minutes. Let’s talk a little about the engagement around conversations to and what non-profits should be could be looking for around their issues. Yeah, i think it’s tumbler is an interesting channel and we can talk more about this after the break. You? But i think there’s there’s two riel opportunities one is toe kind of, you know, own own account. Creating the count. Make it very clearly, your organization’s account and manage it. The other avenue to go is to support your community members or a superfan or ah, long time volunteer or even donor-centric area, because it’s their personal passion and just supporting them. Managing that account, whether that sending them, you know, content or news, they’re great photos or pointing people their way, you know, using it as a as a spotlight. So and then you’re just kind of sending stuff their way, but you’re not directly managing it. So i think there’s two, two ofthe avenues to go. Okay, we’re gonna take that break, and when we come back, of course, i mean, now keep talking about tumbler tactics and stay with us. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. 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Yes, i was at their meeting last night, and amanda mccormick spoke about tumbler, so i got a i got sort of a last minute education from amanda mccormick was very smart about tumbler, and you’ll find amanda at jelly bean boom dot com jelly bean boom dot com. I want to give her a shout because she helped educate me for today’s segment. Um, okay, so we have this different ways you were suggesting of managing or of joining conversations, but i think isn’t that really the interest that non-profits would have if they’re not in tumbler, is to find conversations that are about their issues? Oh, definitely and i think, you know, some organizations have found that when they tried tio jump into temblor, see who may be out there already talking about their topic or, you know, be a passionate person in that cause area they found again because tumbler is such a sharing re posting culture that there were people where they maybe had a post that was really passionate or had a striking image. But then when you scroll down to their next one it’s on a totally different topic on, so it wasn’t as, you know, it wasn’t like there were tumbler accounts being managed by individuals where the whole focus of it was that cause area, because again, if you’re looking for individuals, well, individuals have more than one interest and it’s the same as if you were to, you know, look through a facebook, but you’re going to see people post him out all different things they care about. So if you do want to go find those conversations that already happening it’s important to remember that you may not be finding a specific tumbler post that is reflective of an entire tumbler account being focused on that issue, you know, and trying to away where tio jump in, or who may be just posted it because it was provocative versus who’s really passionate about that topic. Now, to help with this, the tumbler does have hashtags. Yeah. So if you find hashtags related to your the conversations that impact your issues, you could you could pass those along. You couldn’t pass along the individual posts? Yes, exactly. Okay, but not necessarily the entire person. Although you might, you know, it’s it’s hard to tell. In fact, there was someone at the meeting yesterday who expressed concern about exactly what you’re talking about, that ah lot of the conversation, a lot of people in a conversation around her issue, which was, um e-giving a transportation alternative to prevent gender based attacks at night. You know, those people like you said they’re multidemensional there people, and they weren’t always talking about things. That the organization was comfortable referring its its supporters too. Okay, so just, you know, an example. Of what you’re saying now for charities to get started, there are there are templates like themed templates sort of like wordpress has yeah, exactly i would like to say a little more than you can jump in, you know, i think what a lot of the social platforms have have shown people is that we’ve we continue to get further and further away from the super designed and mohr into the simple. So a lot of tumblr account that you will find whether it’s an actual organization, you know, that has has created that channel or an individual’s simpler is the way to go, you know, having a very clear or maybe funny or provocative or what have you title and sub header on the account, but the design doesn’t need to have this, you know, beautiful kind of gray scale background photo with all of these other, you know, buttons and labels it’s meant to be focused on the content, so just having a very clean, simple design so that the content and those especially if it is photos or videos, they really just pop out and the question just flooded my mind, okay? The so you can you khun brand it, but it doesn’t have to be it doesn’t to be super branded and super elegant is it’s more about the content? If someone if a charity wants to get involved and start a tumbler account and make that for a, how much should they expect to be participating? How maney posts or or re re posts? Should they be doing in a day? Let’s say, orlando, i’m not necessarily today like maybe in a week or something like that? Yeah, i mean, i think that magic number question is the same, you know, with any with setting up a facebook page or sending up a twitter account, you know you’re gonna have to test out and find what that magic number is for your organization and for your community. The important piece isn’t necessarily how frequently but it’s that it is constant, you know, like it is every weekday if you’re going to commit to one today or you know it is every month it’s regular so that people don’t come and see that you posted ten things all on friday, the nineteenth and then you don’t post anything and tell august first, you know it. Isn’t that there’s a look? There’s nineteen great post here, whatever, but that it’s a regular so that your logging in you’re saying what’s going on on dh, just like twitter, it can’t just be you posting when it’s such a social platform, you need to be searching using hashtags or, you know, looking for different users and finding those posts that are great and reese posting them. So just like on twitter, you know those accounts that are always just pushing things out? Well, there’s not a lot of engagement there, but when you start retweeting other people and replying to other people, you know, you create more of a loop for engagement, sharing, participating, engaging all the things we’ve talked about on all the different platforms we’ve talked about, all right? We’re going to get their sample ward, thank you very much. 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