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Nonprofit Radio for November 2, 2020: Boards And Asking Styles

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Brian Saber: Boards And Asking Styles

Brian Saber returns with his new book, “Boards And Asking Styles.” Your board’s Rainmakers, Go-Getters, Kindred Spirits and Mission Controllers all need to work with each other, your CEO and your staff. Brian shepherds you through how to make that happen. He’s president of Asking Matters.

 

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[00:02:12.84] spk_1:
Hello and welcome to tony-martignetti non profit radio. Big non profit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host is non profit radio your favorite abdominal podcast? I certainly hope so. You know there are seven days in a head, Ahmad, Of course, that’s the noun form. I’m so proud of myself. When I discover a new word that I have to open with this on. I want to thank Miriam Webster for sending it to me that I can discover it and be so proud. Oh, I’m glad you’re with me. Id Bear the pain of leishmaniasis If you bit me with the idea that you missed today’s show boards and asking styles, Ryan Saber returns with his new book, That’s It. That’s the title boards and asking styles. Very straightforward. No fluff in the title reserved all the fluff for the book. We explore how the asking matters work that he pioneered will help strengthen your board responsive by turn to communications, PR and content for nonprofits, your story is their mission. Turn hyphen two dot c o and by dot drives, raise more money changed more lives. Tony dot m a slash dot for a free demo and a free month non tony steak to a November webinar. I’m very pleased to welcome Brian Saber back to non profit radio. He’s president of asking matters home to the asking styles which help people understand and embrace their unique strengths. As fundraisers, he’s spent his entire career asking for money for nonprofits. I’m gonna telethon, Caller. I made your gift officer and executive director and now as a consultant. His first book was asking Styles Revolutionize your fundraising. His latest book We’re Here to Talk About Today is boards and asking styles. A roadmap to success. Asking matters is that asking matters calm and he’s at Brian Saber. Brian. Welcome back to the show. Congratulations on the new book.

[00:02:21.54] spk_0:
Thank you, tony. Thanks for having me back. I’m glad to see that Cove. It has indulged your wit at all.

[00:02:28.16] spk_1:
Thank you for recognizing that I haven’t undoubtable wit. I’m, uh I’m floored by that s oh, what a way to launch. Tony is wit. Uh, it’s not dull. It’s definitely not dull. No,

[00:02:40.64] spk_0:
it is not. We can use all of it that we could get these days.

[00:03:24.74] spk_1:
Yeah, we could use even even my just barely a Ndlela wit. Thank you. Uh, no, you gotta have fun. It’s my show, you know, whatever the hell I want to do, I mean, I just, you know, we’re gonna We’re gonna learn. But if we’re not gonna have fun, I’m not gonna bother personally personal. So lets you Mm. Let’s start out with the asking styles. We gotta lay the groundwork for the for. The handful of listeners don’t know aren’t well acquainted with the asking styles. Let’s lay that framework for folks. Then we’ll see how it helps your board. What’s his asking styles thing? Great.

[00:04:30.64] spk_0:
So the asking styles were developed a decade ago. Now by my co founder, Andre kills dead and myself. We develop them because everywhere we looked in the field, we saw people who said I’m not a fundraiser. I’m not this. I’m not that in particular. We saw it with the boards. Most board members have come onto boards. Will say I’ll do anything but fundraise. I’m not a fundraiser. I hate fundraising. I can’t ask my friends for money and so forth. And we knew how critical boards were to fundraising and that the type of fundraising. We were talking about the more significant gifts that come from developing relationships one on one, that that fundraising was all based on personality and relationship. It was much more art than science, and we had to help people understand where they fit in it so they could be comfortable. So we went about figuring out what makes someone’s asking style. We felt two characteristics. How one interacts and how one thinks were most important, how one acts on the extrovert introvert spectrum, how one thinks on the analytic, intuitive spectrum, and based on that there would be four basic styles and that you fall into one quadrant or another, but with a little bit of another style that no one felt cleanly in one box. There were some people who were uber this or uber that so such analytic introverts, the type of people who sit behind a computer writing code all day and such intuitive extroverts that, you know, creative just floating all over the place. You could never pin him down with massive ideas, but that most of us were somewhere in between had a little bit of this and that and we wanted people understand that. So we created this rubric for the field for the field of non profit to help everyone feel more comfortable and understand how to fundraise more successfully. How to tell their story in their own way from their own strengths. Not to worry about an elevator pitch, not to worry about reciting lots of outcomes measurements if they want to speak from the heart and a different, passionate, visionary way not to worry about that piece of what really sold them was outcomes and goals and plans that they had to speak in the language that was authentic to them. And that would be compelling, uh, to the donor, Teoh, a prospect or a current donor. So that’s that’s what we developed and meeting

[00:06:25.34] spk_1:
meeting board members. I realize this is not only for board members, but that’s our conversation today, and that’s you’re saying that’s where you found it. Most relevant, and then where they where they are, what worked with what you are type of person that you are in the quadrant will identify the quadrants and versus trying to make you something that you’re not, makes you uncomfortable

[00:06:29.20] spk_0:
right, and we started with boards than spent a number of years, much more focused on staff, developing a lot of materials in depth courses in a membership in such a brother. I bought Andreae now seven years ago, which is hard to believe. So I

[00:06:44.65] spk_1:
was going to say Now this started with you and Andrea Kill Stead, who’s been on the show. And then what? You pushed her out. You took her expertise on, then pushed her out for a nominal buyout.

[00:09:47.96] spk_0:
I broke her kneecaps and said, That’s it. Off you go. Um, you know, Andre is a She is a huge go get her. She’s a big ideas person and she has brought a tremendous amount of the field. But it was at her instigation because she said, You know what, Brian? I like really building these things. I have these big ideas. They’re running. It’s not really me, and I can see where you because my secondaries mission controller and I could do this plan full stuff where you would be better at running it and and and Andrea is significantly older than I am. I don’t think she would be bothered by my saying that. So she within a different point in her life and she said, Let’s let’s do this So I took it over. And as you may know, she went on to then build capital campaign, uh, toolkit with Amy Eisenstein. That’s been another great thing in the field. Yeah, so I took it over in, uh, 2013 and have spent the last seven years really developing the styles. Everything from the iconography you see now Thio the application of the styles in many ways, and I’ve got done trainings across the country and lots of conferences that are mostly for staff. And interestingly, I’m now circling back to board. And I’m doing a lot of board work, a lot of board trainings. And out of that came this idea that my second book should really be focused on board. When I started, it was pre now with this and and the the additional complications of being the board member and of running a non profit in many ways, they asking styles or even more important, because boards have to be at their best. In order for the organizations to survive, everyone has to be at the table. Helping to build resource is and everyone has to work together in a collegial way that create some synergy and makes everyone feel like they’re part of a team. And it’s hard to get to know board members anyway, when all you do is meet every two months for two hours and maybe you’re in a committee or two and that those meet once in a while. Now it’s all by zoom. Everyone’s overwhelmed zoomed out, and yet it’s more important than ever for people who feel their team and you have new board members I’ve seen. I’ve been delighted to see a number of announcements lately of organizations that have brought on new board members during this time, which is, you can imagine is challenging. You think of a board member coming thio their first board meeting, sitting in a room and getting to meet and experience other people and see how things really work. And now it’s all by zoom, which is much harder in a very different dynamic. So so, understanding the styles and how everyone interacts is even more important for on boarding a new board member. Look, you work, you get

[00:09:50.28] spk_1:
to recruit when we talk about recruitment to exactly but so Let Tze identify the styles. So you have things to spectrum. You got the analytic, intuitive spectrum, and you have the extrovert introvert spectrum. So if you know, put the extrovert introvert on the vertical and the analytic intuitive on the horizontal, you get four quadrants. So what are those? What are those for?

[00:10:14.26] spk_0:
Eso top left. You get the analytic extroverts. The rainmaker always goal oriented. Uh, driven, competitive. Keep their eye on the prize. Knows they’re succeeding based on the numbers, right? Did I reach this goal? Did I bring this money? Gets to to raise as much money. Then you have the intuitive extrovert top, right? The go getter, big vision thinker. Lots of energy brings people along with their enthusiasm on always sees the opportunities. So is bringing that big passion and excitement about the future. Anything’s possible. Then you have your intuitive introvert, your kindred spirit. Feelings oriented. I am primarily kindred spirit were our hearts on our sleeves. Everything is personal for us. No matter how hard we try to make it otherwise. And because we have that, uh, sense of sensitivity, we are sensitive to others. We tend to be very accommodating. We want other people to be heard and feel good and such. Also good skills for fundraising, different from the core rainmaker skills. And not to say a kindred spirit can’t be goal oriented. And a rainmaker can’t be compassionate and attentive on then mission controller. The analytic introvert bottom left. The Eagle Scout who always gets the job done. Very methodical, systematic plan ful and best at sitting back and listening and absorbing what’s happening. Great listener and observer, which, as we know, is so key to fundraising. So those the styles and they all complement each other and work well together can sometimes frustrate each other. But, um, but those are the styles,

[00:12:01.78] spk_1:
okay? And we each way each most likely have ah, primary and a secondary correct. So you’re you are kindred spirit and mission controller.

[00:12:13.21] spk_0:
Yeah, I am pure introvert. They which surprises people since I do so much public speaking and training. So people who know about the acting profession of lots of actors actually are shy or introverted, and you get in front of an audience and you do your thing.

[00:13:37.94] spk_1:
It’s time for a break. Turn to communications. They help you build relationships with journalists because of a relationship built by turn to the New York community. Trust got to features in The Wall Street Journal. That’s what happens when you have the existing relationship. And then when you want to be heard, the newspapers, the outlets, they take your calls. But you gotta have the relationship set up ahead of time. That’s what turn to is gonna help you do build those relationships. They specialize in working with nonprofits. One of the partners, Peter Pan A. Pento, was an editor at The Chronicle of Philanthropy. The right turn hyphen two dot c o. Now back to boards and asking styles. Perfect example of that. Aside from Brian Saber, uh, I’m seeing a lot of interviews with Sasha Baron Cohen because he has a Borat sequel out, and he has said, I’ve read it in online and I saw an interview with him. Eso he said a couple times. He’s primarily a shy, shy guy, but you know, he has characters who are obviously grandstanding. No, it alls, you know, it’s off, but s Oh, absolutely, And I and you people can go to asking matters dot com and you could find out which one of these you are right. You right. You could just do three minute little three minute quiz or so right?

[00:14:03.18] spk_0:
Exactly. Thank you. Yeah. You want it to be true. False questions. True. False? Yes. No, you know.

[00:14:10.12] spk_1:
And you The site admonishes us. Don’t spend a lot of time e I already did it. I didn’t just do it last night knowing we’re gonna prepare. I already know that. I’m, uh I’m primarily a kindred spirit as well. By birth. I’m a kindred spirit by birth but a go getter by practice and

[00:14:28.55] spk_0:
teach your primarily kindred spirits secondarily. Go getter.

[00:14:31.79] spk_1:
Yeah, secondary. Go get e No. Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:34.64] spk_0:
Pure, pure. Intuitive is what it’s saying. Massive, intuitive. Yeah, a lot of gut on the idea. Not a lot of planning percent. That’s a problem. A problem you got a plan ful person to about right? Yeah,

[00:14:49.44] spk_1:
I know. Now we need all four. But that’s why that’s why I’m not on any boards. Just do it. We’ll look back in six months.

[00:14:57.59] spk_0:
I’m not on any boards either. As a matter of fact, it seems it feels like a busman’s holiday to me. And I’m going when they’re gonna want me to fundraise. Andi. I’m not a big process person. Like go getters are much more into process. So Andre and I, over the years had to figure this out because she was pure process. Idi ated out loud, you know, lots of ideas. She could sit for hours and my eyes would plays over like I can be very cut to the chase. The Mission Control. Okay, let’s just do it. Let’s just lay it out. Let’s just get to the details and do it. And we finally realized that our meetings could only be a certain length of time. And I say all that because that been a challenge for me, with boards and any groups at all where I’m sitting there and I’m a little impatient, like Okay, let’s I just want to move to the next thing. I don’t want everyone talking and processing. I’m happy to go with someone else’s idea. Let’s just move it along. Three.

[00:15:52.31] spk_1:
Our brainstorm session is such a three hour brainstorm session is such a bore?

[00:15:57.24] spk_0:
E identified something in the 1st 10 minutes way Had something in the 1st 10 minutes. What? What did you say? Say it again the idea seemed pretty good to me exactly three

[00:16:11.09] spk_1:
hours ago. We could’ve had lunch and dinner by now.

[00:16:13.21] spk_0:
Exactly. Caught a good movie and come back just for the conclusion. First

[00:16:27.74] spk_1:
it sounded pretty good to me. Oh, right. Exactly. Contrary. Thio Brainstorming ideation session. All right, so, um all right, so let’s apply this to the board. So, as you had said, it helps if we know who is what. What is who on the board. What do we have? Do we have a imbalance of rainmakers and no process people to back them up, you know? Right. So we need tohave way. Need to have a balance,

[00:19:11.44] spk_0:
right? I mean, think of any planning session. Let’s let’s say you’ve got right now. There’s so many issues nonprofits, air facing. So let’s say it’s an issue of Well, what programming do we go forward with knowing that the current conditions are going to probably last into next summer? Okay, let’s make that assumption is aboard. Here we are. What are we going to do? Is an organization so the rainmaker is going to say Okay, well, what’s the goal? Right? What’s the goal of all of this? What outcomes. Do we want what we want to? Um, you know, we want to maintain We want Thio, serve our clients as well as we can. We want to stay fiscally responsible that then you have the go getter. Who’s saying the visionary who saying, Well, this could be the opportunity to pivot right opportunities, not problems, solutions, not problems. Let’s think out of the box. This could be the chance. We were looking for the kindred spirit. The very heart oriented person is saying, Well, we can’t forget the clients. We can’t forget the staff, you know, we need to you know, it’s really important that we come through for everyone, whether it makes the most financial sense or long term sense or not. And the Mission Control is saying Okay, great. I agree that we have that goal. I agree. You know, we could be something different. I agree. We have to care about people. But how are we going to get it done? It has to be realistic. And you can see where If you have an entire board of one or the other, you’re you can’t get the work done, right? Right. You need someone to check what you’re doing. We all need checks and balances and we need different voices. So once you look at the style so that you can see where if you’re going to do strategic planning, you need to have the four styles around the table to come out with a strong plan. Otherwise, you’re gonna have a plan that’s missing either the goal and outcomes or the big picture or the heart or the structure. And then and then you’ve got to fund. Then you’ve gotta work your way back into it Too late. Okay, way made a plan. But now Wow. Turns out we don’t know how toe executed because we didn’t have any mission controllers in the group or, you know, we didn’t think big enough. We went right into the weeds because we didn’t have our visionary in the group and so forth. So

[00:19:39.34] spk_1:
let’s talk about recruitment. If we’re, uh we’re gonna bring folks onto the board. Uh, you want this to be one of the factors I mean, there, there, obviously, you know, we need accountants. Maybe, you know, whatever. Whatever skill sets, you have gaps. And of course, those those really are predominant in your board selection. But you’d love for folks to find out what these potential board members asking styles are. Yes. So send them toe asking matters dot com as your recruiting them.

[00:19:44.29] spk_0:
Yeah, right. Wait three

[00:19:46.87] spk_1:
minutes. They print the report. Okay,

[00:20:13.04] spk_0:
Sorry. We don’t want you any go getters by you know, the reality for almost every night fucking is. We don’t get to pick and choose that much when we’re looking for board members. So some organizations really can. Others, at the very least, though, can say, Okay, we’re looking at our board, and we really seem to be missing kindred spirits. That’s bad. So lets

[00:20:15.89] spk_1:
you gotta have your You gotta have your kindred spirits. That’s

[00:20:18.26] spk_0:
bad. Absolutely. Eso eso when we go out, let’s keep that in mind, right, Because we might have more candidates and way might have more candidates, and we could put on in any one point. We might be bringing people on in classes, and we might want this first class to include another kindred spirit or two, and we might put off other people for a year. So it’s another factor. It’s not just a factor in who to choose, but how to understand who you’re choose, right? How to understand maybe what they’re saying and where they’re coming from. And to be ableto envision how that person would interact on the board, given that person style and the style of the board to get a sense of whether the person fits in or how the person would fit in. So it it not only helps you choose but helps you understand what you’re

[00:21:20.83] spk_1:
and you may not have. As you said, you may not have the luxury of selecting from half a dozen, you know, potential board members. So at least the one person that is before you know what his or her style is. And, as you said, how they’ll how they’ll work with the rest of the board. Right? Okay, okay. And and this applies for the for the CEO to write mean CEO board chair relationship. Don’t we want to know where those were? Those two folks stand

[00:21:40.34] spk_0:
right? I mean, you’re not going to choose one based on their style, but based on their style that they’re going to have different strengths and challenges and in their in their roles as the two leaders and in terms of how they work together. Because you, if you’ve gotto generally, the CEO is reporting to the board share most regularly. If the relationships going well, they’re meeting regularly. The chair is, in a way, guiding the CEO. The CEO is guiding the chair, Um, and so if you’ve got a chair, who’s a go getter and you have a CEO who’s a mission controller, especially when you have people who are diagonal to each other on the grid? Okay, who are you might call them polar opposites. There could be a challenge working together. One wants all this detail, the others flying by the seat of their pants. Ones, you know, very sensitive to criticism. The others just throwing it out there, vice.

[00:22:50.24] spk_1:
Because because if there if there, uh, diagonal diagonal to each other, then you’ve got You’ve got an intuitive extrovert. Uh, no. An intuitive introvert working with an analytical extrovert,

[00:23:15.24] spk_0:
right? I know. As a kindred spirit, intuitive introvert, that rainmakers, thes analytic extroverts can challenge me. I can get a little anxious because they’re very assertive. And for may I read assertive sometimes to personally, they’re not doing anything wrong, right? They’re just they’re being themselves. They’re bringing certain traits to the table, and I’m reading them a certain ways of kindred spirits. So now if I know, uh, this is why we might be having that challenge. We could talk it through and and at least understand each other better, like in any relationship. Um, in any personal friend relationship, any relationship, understanding the other person helps you depersonalize what’s happening.

[00:25:34.41] spk_1:
It’s time for a break. Tony is take two. I’ve got a webinar coming up It is. Start your plan. Giving in 2021. It’s a quick shot is gonna be just 50 minutes in and out. We’re gonna talk about what plan giving is how to identify your best prospects, where to start your plan giving program, how to market and promote your new program. And then I’m gonna leave plenty of time to answer your questions, which actually is my favorite and arguably the most important thing. Getting your questions answered. So there’s plenty of time for that. That’s it. Join me. It’s Thursday, November 19th, three o’clock Eastern time, which means two o’clock central, which means one o’clock mountain, which means noontime Pacific. No discrimination here by time zone. I do not discriminate against time zones. Everybody’s everybody’s. Everybody’s got a time. That’s the way it is. So, uh, quick shot. How to start your plan? Giving or start your plan giving start your plan to giving in 2021. You sign up for the webinar at planned giving accelerator dot com slash webinar. I hope you’ll be with me. That is, tony is take two. We’ve got plenty of more time for boards and asking styles You have, ah, formula. I don’t want to scare. People were math, math phobic, but very simple formula. You say teamwork plus camaraderie equals synergy. Yes, what’s behind that involved? There’s no there’s no regression analysis. You don’t have to know absolutely sine or cosine or tangent or or anything

[00:25:34.89] spk_0:
like that. Absolutely nothing. I was thinking. I was trying to think through as I was developing this book, what I wanted to say and why. And I came up with that, that that having the best board a board that really is on fire, if you will to me involved, uh, involves two things or is dependent on two things one teamwork, the ability teamwork is respecting everyone being able to hear other voices, uh, respecting decisions that come out of committee and so forth, respecting everyone sitting around the table and having an equal voice and things like that. That’s teamwork. And, um uh, Michael Davidson who? I do a lot of work with his quote in the book. He’s

[00:26:25.70] spk_1:
He’s been on the show

[00:26:26.81] spk_0:
e adore Michael and I’ve learned so much about governance from him over the last two decades. I’ve known him actually about almost 20 years because we met at Hudson Guilt. He was doing work for them, and I was working for them. Uh, and he talks about teamwork a lot because he’s a rower, as you know, and you have to be a strong team, you’re not gonna get anywhere.

[00:26:52.84] spk_1:
His company logo is is a right right,

[00:27:25.04] spk_0:
the board coach and it’s rowing and he talks about so he talks about teamwork. He talks about how you can do your job. If you don’t know what it is, you won’t do it. If you don’t think everyone else is doing it right, you have to be a team. It’s one of the reasons why I think everyone has to fundraise on the board because that’s what makes the strongest fundraising team. Not having a fundraising committee and saying over those five people are responsible for all the fundraising board is going to dio, so teamwork is very important and camaraderie. You also have to like each other not to be friends, but to you need to find it worth being in someone else’s company. And even if someone is very different from U. S. O. U. And that comes from getting to know people, not Onley sitting around the board table. But in a more familial way, it’s That’s the reason why some of these social engagements just before, after a board meeting, having board members go out to dinner together. All of that is really important. That’s why they do it in the corporate world, right? That’s why there are all these team building events. They build camaraderie, not just on the camaraderie helps the team work. But

[00:28:08.93] spk_1:
I don’t have Thio build the comrade. I don’t have to walk across hot coals barefoot

[00:29:29.74] spk_0:
E No, I wouldn’t do that either way. Okay? Yeah, No way could just have dinner together. We can have dinner together at one organization. I I had. I had board members in rotating groups of 4 to 6 go to dinner after a board meeting. So there were six board meetings during the year and twice a year each board member went out with a different group of people. So everyone got to have dinner with everyone during the year and such. It helped, Um, so when so looking at the asking styles, you can understand better how to work as a team. And you can also understand what, what types of activities would help build camaraderie? Because we’re all not going to like the same things. I, as a kindred spirit, don’t want to go to a big party with the whole board. I’d much rather go to a small dinner or just have a one on one coffee, right? If I could do that with a few board members, over time, I’m golden. I build that relationship if you send me Thio. The board president’s house to schmooze with all the other board members doesn’t work as well for me. Given my style, it doesn’t mean you don’t do it, but just a ZX with training and other things, you have to have a variety of activities to appeal to everyone. Just like you have to let people have a variety of stories to tell their own stories because everyone’s gonna go to tell the different ones. So eso building camaraderie, um, you do have to proactively work it. It part of that it overlaps both is making sure everyone has a voice right that everyone feels they are part of this group, that they’re integral to it, that people hear them see them. And so it goes back and forth, the teamwork and the Senate and the camaraderie. And that’s what gives you the synergy. So that’s how I came up with that concept. Okay? Yes. Okay.

[00:30:38.54] spk_1:
You you talk about Well, actually, before we talk about some process for meetings like making sure voices get heard, you have some concrete ideas. How about a story? Can you, uh, can you share something? In the 20 years of asking styles where you’ve seen a team, whether board or not, I mean, board would be ideal improve their outcomes because they became asking styles aware they became they were red pilled and finally e saw the saw the wisdom of asking styles.

[00:32:40.04] spk_0:
Wow, we’re going there. You? Mm. Well, I constantly hear stories. There’s someone on the website I often hear from from executive director slash CEOs who have these ah ha moments about their board chairs for sure who have these Ah ha moment about their boards, Whose then see the challenge, why their board is so challenged in some way and can address that. Who? Who realized g. I’m providing staff often say I’ve given the board all this information. I don’t know what why they why they keep asking the truth of matter is have they read it all? And if they’ve read it, have they interpreted it all and stuff? And the truth that matter is that we’re not necessarily giving every board member the information they need. So I constantly hear these ah ha moments from staff who say, Now I know what this board member needs. If I’m going to engage this board member effectively in fundraising, this is what I have to give this board member. I’m giving them the wrong information. So I hear that a lot that that has really helped. I did some work with Esperanza Academy, which is a private 100% tuition free and privately funded girl school north of Boston. Um, it might be in Lowell. I’m trying to remember where they are now. On. I worked with their head of development and then did a training herself and said it was extraordinary how how the asking styles moved her board ahead. There was a fundraising in terms of working with each other. It just took it, took them to, Ah, a whole new level. And I think I’ve always felt the beauty of the styles is that she point before you don’t have to know any big logarithms. There’s no jargon or anything. It’s very simply put, e don’t use fund these words and and all of this stuff e talk very plainly about it in the styles are very plain. I don’t try to make this scene like, uh, you know, like the you know, what is it? The theory of relativity, The theory of relativity.

[00:33:20.95] spk_1:
That’s where you get into cosign on C can’t

[00:33:23.16] spk_0:
exactly or pie or whatever Very straight

[00:33:27.13] spk_1:
first, unjust non jargon.

[00:33:29.54] spk_0:
Yeah. And so yes, so tons of ah ha moments. Um uh, respecting people to work with each other differently, working harder to make sure all voices are heard. Um uh,

[00:33:43.66] spk_1:
let’s pick up on that. Voices are heard. You have some. As I was saying, you have some concrete ideas about board meetings, making sure some folks you gotta check with them in advance, etcetera. So what? Her voices get heard at board meetings,

[00:34:04.24] spk_0:
Right? Well, I, for one, virtually never talk in a large group as a kindred spirit of mission controllers Air similar. I don’t often give my opinion in front of a large group. I don’t often ask a question. I don’t take up a lot of time in a group like that. Um, so I might have a very valid and important point that the group needs to hear that the chair wants everyone to hear. And I’m simply not going to express it in the group. And you see the people I trigger. I train all the time. You have guests all the time. You know which guests you have thio work harder, thio, or give the or wait longer to allow them to pull their thoughts together. That’s happening around the board table. And it’s happening even more so now with the video that with Zoom because everyone does tend to talk over each other. It’s hard to know when to stop. It’s harder than it was in person. Looking around the room where you feel it, you feel who’s going to talk next, Right here. You’re not sure. And then two or three people blurt out at the same time. So someone like me is going to be even less likely to participate because that blurting out and talking over someone is more awkward for me. Yeah, so

[00:35:20.44] spk_1:
you get into that rhythm where everybody stops on, then you beats and everybody talks. Everybody stops to more beats everybody, you go ahead. So then they all go ahead to beats later, right? Yeah.

[00:35:31.89] spk_0:
Dance, right. It’s a and I’m not going to do that dance. Necessarily. A lot of people won’t. So So if

[00:35:42.34] spk_1:
I promise that I won’t be, uh, talking over you, I’m just being a smart ass.

[00:35:46.35] spk_0:
Me to s o a chair. A smart chair who really wants everyone’s voice heard and taken into account needs to either reach out to those board members in advance and solicit their opinion or specifically call on them, make time for them right When I train, I look around that room and we’ll actually in advance of training. I will ask the CEO or whoever engaged me. Who should I be watching out for in one way or another who’s going to talk too much? And I’ve got to make sure that person doesn’t monopolize, are training who’s not going to talk because And regardless of what I’m told in advance, I see who’s not participating and I make sure everyone’s participating. It’s not that they don’t want to, or that they don’t have anything to say. It’s just that this is a tough venue for them. Be in a room with 25 other people and all the noise and people talking over each other. So you either have to solicited in advance or solicited in the room or solicited afterwards or send out a questionnaire, asked people by email to tell you in advance, you have to make sure that everyone’s voice is heard,

[00:37:12.83] spk_1:
and that’s a part of teamwork and camaraderie to ZX respect. Yes, yeah, that you’ve become aware. Now you’re red pilled. You know, some people are not gonna speak at the meeting or being very. It’s gonna be uncomfortable for them to do it. You have to make allowance for that. And that s so that builds up your That builds up teamwork and camaraderie. People feel respected there, literally being heard

[00:37:51.73] spk_0:
right now. Some people just, you know, talk a lot and don’t mean to cut anyone else off and want to hear the voice. And then there’s some people who just want to hear their own voice. And actually, one of the pieces of board membership is it’s not for everyone. You have to believe in teamwork. You have to believe that the team comes first. I’m not saying that the styles in any way can identify who would want to be on a team or not, because it’s much more complicated than that. But but there are challenges to group work, and those challenges impact certain styles more than others,

[00:38:12.92] spk_1:
Right? So yeah. All right, let’s talk about fundraising. How does this out of the styles impact board? Fundraising? Yes.

[00:40:53.41] spk_0:
So that we’re working on the whole decade, obviously. Uh, yes. Since they asking style started from a fundraising bend. It’s a very critical ways. The first one which we talked about earlier which is the number one way, is in terms of the story that each board member is going to tell. What is a board member going to stay in the in the most? In the simplest format, you run into someone, and the person said, Well, tell me about X y Z organization. What is it? You is a board member going to say to try to excite that person? What’s your story that is going to be impacted by your style? Whether, as we talked about it, whether it’s very goal on, strategy oriented, visionary oriented, hard oriented plan oriented? Okay, then you have Well, how is each of you going to go about this process of identifying and cultivating and maybe asking for money? And I say, maybe asking because the most important roles Board member, the most important role of board member can have in fundraising in my mind is the identifying, cultivating, thanking, recognizing piece everything but the ask. When it comes to the ask, some board members will ask on their own or with other board members. But in most organizations, you could bring the executive director and head of fundraising or someone else, to sit there in the room with you and actually say, tony, would you consider a gift of $10,000 for X y Z? Um, it’s all the other work that’s so important Thio for board members to help with. And that’s where style really matters. How are you going about going to go about cultivating as a board member? What’s comfortable for you? You have to take into account to some extent what what works for the donor? We don’t know. We usually don’t know the donor style, but if we don’t ask board members to do things they’re comfortable with, they’re going to be reticent about doing them. And they may not do them well, right? Well, I don’t want I don’t want to send my board members out out to slaughter, basically, by sending them out to do things they won’t do well and it doesn’t serve the organization well, so eso I will would think through if I have ah, big special event. My extroverted board members ago ended be better ambassadors of those events than the introverts who don’t tend to go up to people they don’t know and engage them in such. They’re going to be better at one on one effort. Uhh. Some people are going to be better at communication written communication, writing lovely emails with lots of great information in them. Some are going to be better at picking up the phone and having a quick chat on dhe. People will partner in different ways based on their styles.

[00:41:41.91] spk_1:
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[00:43:06.10] spk_0:
So if I would like, um uh, I have a donor in mind and I bring something. The table is the CEO or the chief fundraiser, a za kindred spirit. I may look around to see who compliments me on the board, right? Or if I’m let’s say I someone has a relationship, OK, Soo is a go getter, and Sue has a relationship to this donor, so I want to go with Sue? Well, I’m a kindred spirit and Susan go getter and whoa! It turns out that our donor is a mission controller. So now how am I going to engage? So what is the best role for Sue? Is the go getter to play? And what might we have to watch out for? Right? How would we wanna make sure Sue doesn’t trip over herself? A za go getter going with me to see a mission controller? So it gives me a road map as the staff member, or certainly is the board members to how I could be effective, what my challenges might be. Even in the initial contact, we talked about this all the time of asking matters that from kindred spirits and mission controllers are much less likely to just pick up the phone and call someone out of the blue, even if it’s just calling to make an appointment. I don’t I never liked the phone, and I feel lucky that most of my career has been in the age of email. I will almost always email first if I know. I don’t know. Well, and I know the donor just wants me to call It is different, but most of the time we don’t know who. Uh, we don’t We don’t know people that well and I’m going to I’m going to write first by email. And if I know a board members that way, I’m not gonna push my board member to pick up the phone. I’m going to say, Do what’s comfortable for you If it’s comfortable to send an email, Do that. If you know the person well enough to send a text and the text. If calling and trying to catch that person is what works for you do that, so I help the asking styles help bring fundraising to the board member in a way that’s palatable.

[00:44:01.99] spk_1:
Got some ideas about you. Caption it. Under keeping board members committed, exposing board members to program Share your ideas there.

[00:44:57.99] spk_0:
Most board members do not experience or or view programming often enough. Board members come to organization excited by what you’re doing. They have a lot of passion. Yeah, I’m on the board now. I’m so committed. I love what you do and then end up spending almost all their time in board meetings that are mostly about procedure and budget and can be very dry the most organizations today or bringing program staff for program participants to board meetings on a regular basis. I hope everyone listening today is doing that, and so board members get some exposure the 10 or 15 minutes every two months. But that’s minimal. Board members have to C programming ideally, in person right now. That’s really hard. Maybe through zoom through video, maybe through a Q and A with various program directors and such. And again, the asking styles will impact what type of interaction will keep board members committed. So if I want to keep my mission controller board member committed, I need to keep focusing on the plans and making sure the board that board member feels good that we’re going about our work in a very methodical, systematic, well thought out way. That’s what and to share all the information about plans because the Michigan that that is the material that the Mission controller board member can absorb and appreciate. I’m not gonna do that for the go getter. The go getter isn’t gonna look at those plans, right? The go getter is gonna wanna have a telephone call with the program director with a or Or meet lots of participants and engage those participants and maybe participate in programs, whereas some people might feel it a little awkward to do that, the go getter will jump right in. So for my go get a board member, I might do that for my rainmaker. You know, a ZX. You can see the same themes keep coming up with this idea of strategy, vision, heart and plan strategy, vision hardened plan. So you got it. You have to bring that to each board member and then bring that into the It’s the meeting.

[00:46:43.30] spk_1:
I would rather you say the heart first. Uh, that’s the kindred spirits. I’ll fix it in post production. I’ll move.

[00:46:55.26] spk_0:
You do that. You do that. The only way I can always keep everything straight is to always go go clockwise. Yeah, no matter what I do, I’m always saying Rainmaker, go Gator. Kindred spirit, Mission Control and using my hands to remind me now that everything is vision is Elektronik. I’ve actually the vision. The image is reversed on the screen. And now that ever you could see my hands, I’ve had to learn like yoga, teachers and others. Yes, you gotta be. Oh, right. Yeah, exactly. So it’s a new skill I’ve learned the last seven months

[00:47:23.99] spk_1:
you’ve got. You’ve got the benefit of no video here. Yeah,

[00:47:26.58] spk_0:
exactly. Like my hands doing anything.

[00:47:34.08] spk_1:
Audio podcast. Yes. Mm. Alright, What else? What else do you wanna? You wanna talk about that? We haven’t talked about around asking styles in the board

[00:47:39.82] spk_0:
asking styles. And

[00:47:41.33] spk_1:
you wrote a whole book, for God’s sake.

[00:47:42.97] spk_0:
Yeah, I can imagine

[00:47:43.91] spk_1:
more. There’s more than what I asked you what

[00:47:48.45] spk_0:
it is, though, you know, though, I don’t want to scare people off either. And as you know, tony, it’s not a big book, and it’s purposely not a big look. It’s actually only 16,000 words. If people know anything about books, it’s only 100 pages because there are lots of beautiful full color photos and graphs and things like that. It’s a book you can read in a two sitting,

[00:48:06.04] spk_1:
which I appreciate. I like all the photos, something the pictures I sometimes have authors on. I’ll say, you know, there’s no pictures or there’s not enough

[00:48:13.77] spk_0:
well in my books. The only book in full color. I want to say that cause I’m really proud of it. It costs a lot more to make it, but, uh, but the styles Aaron color right? The graphics are so so. It’s actually very pleasurable book. And the reason for that It’s really important for every board member to read it right.

[00:48:29.73] spk_1:
Easy read. Do it over a weekend easily. You could do it in a day if you had to, but yes, so we hope

[00:48:52.16] spk_0:
to say, you know, today we covered a lot of the major points in it, about about recruiting, camaraderie, teamwork, telling her story, leadership and such. Those are the major piece in the book. The one thing I’ll say is that you’re pushing the book, I guess, is that it has a bunch of exercises and questions to ask yourself is Well, and the important thing is not is not to believe that G if I if I’m going to address the challenges on my board, it’s got to be some big project I need to bring in a consultant or boy, this is gonna be a lot of hard work. There are lots of small steps you can take.

[00:49:15.92] spk_1:
Yes, you finished the book with the next steps?

[00:50:03.86] spk_0:
Yes and yes. And all along the way there are some exercises the next time you have zoomed called do a breakout room and just ask. People spend five minutes saying, Okay, my style is this. What does that mean for how I work with you or something? You’re going to build teamwork and camaraderie. And so I want people to take away that that make improvements toe how your board operates, which is so vital to how your organization gets through this and thrives in the future. Uh, does not have to be a big, overwhelming project through the asking styles and lots of other means. You can take small steps and get there. The

[00:50:08.46] spk_1:
book is a pleasure. It’s a pleasurable pleasure to read. It’s an easy read. You want to know your style. You goto asking matters dot com. Do the three minute survey. Send your board members as a little fun exercise chat about it. That’s you know, that could be a next step, but

[00:50:18.71] spk_0:
absolutely that

[00:50:24.46] spk_1:
a whole chapter of next steps and, like you said questions throughout. Okay, Brian Saber, Thank you very much. Uh, have you. Actually, Absolutely. So the book. Get the book. There is more depth. There is more depth in those 16,000 words than than a lackluster host can cover with, even with an exemplary guest. Eso. The book is boards and asking styles. A roadmap to success matters that asking matters dot com and Brian is at Brian Saber and Brian. Thank you again. Real pleasure. Thank

[00:50:52.97] spk_0:
you. Don’t have a great day. Good luck to everyone.

[00:51:31.56] spk_1:
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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host, you know i’m glad you’re with me if you weren’t, i’d developed ingi vel hyperplasia if it came to my attention that you had missed today’s show vivid video ideas for producing and repurpose ing that video that you make each year come from merrily mary carlin and rossman akello of riverside digital and gloria ramon from brooklyn legal services corporation, eh? And a board that brings in the bucks never stanley from blackbaud once you lose the fear of talking about fund-raising with your board and how is it that board service is like an infants life that was recorded at be pecan last october on tony’s take two between the guests. Take care of yourself in spring and summer. The time is now. I’m very happy to welcome right now to the studio we have in the studio. Rossman akello he’s principle and executive producer for riverside digital productions. Also in the studio is gloria ramon. She is director of development and communications for brooklyn legal services corporation, eh? Brooklyn a provides legal assistance to low income, individuals and community groups in brooklyn, new york. Gloria leads brooklyn a’s development, marketing and communications there a beak, a dot, org’s and on the phone is mary carlin. She is vice president of business development for riverside digital. They have been in video production for fifteen years with clients that include god’s, love, we deliver and brooklyn, eh? Ross and mary are married and they met doing a play together. They’re both former actors and stage directors, and you’ll find them at rivers aside. Digital dot com, ross and gloria and mary welcome. Thanks, tony. Thanks for having us on today. It’s a pleasure. I’m glad everybody’s together talk about vivid video. Um, mary, i feel bad for you because you’re on the phone so let’s, start with you because you couldn’t you couldn’t be in the studio with with your husband. Video is is really critical for storytelling, isn’t it? In twenty fourteen? Absolutely, when you look a thie popularity of viral videos, stories that people share with each other on a daily basis on the effectiveness of that type of communication, it’s just i think it’s so important for non-profits two to understand that they can share their story that way and that it’s really going to reach so many more people and it’s a very cost effective way to do it. We’re also even now seeing email with video embedded not just a link through, but but actually embedded in prison. And, you know, it’s video is just like the primary source of sharing fun stories, and they’re been a variety of ways that have been developed to do it. You’re right, and ross were talking about mostly event video today? Sure way do aa lot of gala video, gallon honoree video for not for profit organization. So, you know, at all these gallas they have these tribute videos, they honor various people who have contributed and they’ve, you know, you’ve people have contributed either monetarily or through probono work and way get a snapshot of those people’s biographies, but we also talk about the effect ah, that they’ve had on the organization a zoho ll the mission of the order position, okay? And we even could go could go ah, broader than just the gala or the event honoree type video could be covering an event like a run or walk race? Sure, we’ve we’ve done those as well, we’ve we’ve covered we’ve covered events like the gods love race to deliver where we’ve interviewed people who are participating in the race. We’ve we’ve sent cameras into the race itself to get the real experience of participating in the race, and we again we get opportunities to talk about talk to people on the ground who are part of the organization, who support the organization and get their reactions to whites such a pleasure to be part of it. I love your deep bass voice. Thank you. Thank you that’s like alec. Alec baldwin. I’ve been told. Okay. All right, if you if you want. I wasn’t thinking him, but okay. Sounds good. I was thinking like an orson welles kind of, uh yeah. Buy-in voice not appearance. You look much better than orson, even when your son was living. Thank you, citizen kane. Orson welles. Exactly. That’s right, gloria, how is brooklyn? A using video? Well, we’ve primarily used the video’s for our annual partnership awards benefits. Ross just said we area re honor three individuals for their commitment to pro bono work, community service and that’s. How we’ve used the videos to tell their story. But also the story of brooklyn legal services and how they meshed together. And is this video shown at your annual gala? Yes, we what. We’ve shown the video at the event. And then we usually send the video out after the event to people who have an intended posted on our website posted on our youtube and facebook page. So now it’s, sort of wanting to take it to the next level. Ross, we can we can use these videos for a different purpose to it. They want to be limited to the the night of the gala. We show it and then it goes, it goes in storage, you know, that’s, that’s, that’s, always thean tentoni, it’s always the intent that, you know, not only we talking about the individual being honored that evening, but we always like to tie it back to the mission the boots on the ground work because of the contribution, whether it is again monetarily or it was it’s probono where courts just advocacy work that’s being done by this individual through volunteerism, we always want to bring it back to the core mission of the organization, and therefore you can repurpose that video beyond the night. That’s really the most important thing we all know that the funds were scarce in and the not for profit world. And so i’ve seen i’ve seen gala videos that are strictly biography videos of the individual that have no shelf life beyond the night. Yeah, they don’t care. They don’t tie back to the mission. They don’t tie back to the mission. I know it’s a biopic it’s a biopic and you know what it is? It makes the individual feel good and yes, they get honored that particularly, but it has no life beyond that. We want to be able to have the organization cable today, the piece a zoho whole or in part and repurpose it on their website through a viral marketing campaign. Social media however, they best want to use it on dh how do we plan? I mean, that s so we’re going to do that. This has to be planned for before we start shooting. Absolutely it’s it’s you don’t think that kord yeah, i was just going to say, like, the process that ross and i have had in the past three years now that i’ve been working with him is just that we sort of plan out, you know, once we determined who our honorees are, the conversation then is sort of what story do we want to tell and freaking out? The best way to tell that story identifying potential? You know, clients that we can have in the video other supporters, of course staff members on brother non-profit organizations that we work with. So it’s really, you know building that story. Oh, other non-profits even a cz well, okay, so so the point is you need to plan production. What purpose do you have? Do you have in mind what purposes you have in mind for this? So that when you’re when you’re in production, you’re going to satisfy your goals it right? And it always comes it all comes down to drilling down to what is that course story? What is the what is the emotional impact? What is the work that the organization is doing? And how does this person either fit into that directly or help facilitate the that? That how does it serve the mission? Okay, mary, when when we are looking for a video production company to work with, what should we be thinking about? Well, you know, i think that first you should be thinking about the the quality of their work. He’s got to go on and look at aa number of sites websites and make sure that the quality of their work is just really current and clean on how well do they tell the story of the particular organization? Um, that is covered in the video, and it is it is the audio. Good. Is the video good? You know, very simple ways of looking at it and going okay, yeah, this is aunt. Does it impact you emotionally? Doesn’t motivate you to get involved. Oppcoll with this organization. What about checking references? It’s appropriate to ask for? Ah, producers references? Absolutely. Yes. I mean, after you checked the website and liked the work that you’ve seen, you should get recommendations. You should speak to people and say, okay, how were they to work with that? They stay on budget. Did they deliver on time? Do they hit each one of their deadlines on the day of the event? Were they there for you to support you, to make sure that the video played correctly, you know, these kinds of things, so that they that thie non-profit staff member felt completely supported during the process and confident that the video was going to tell the story that they wanted to communicate to their clients and their excellent thank you, there’s. Like, half a dozen very good questions to ask. Ask a reference that you just you just rattled off. Thank you. We’re gonna go out for a couple of moments. And when we come back, we’re all going to keep talking. Ross and gloria and mary and i, about vivid video. Hang in. There co-branding dick, dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding. You’re listening to the talking, alternate network, waiting to get into thinking. Good, do you need a business plan that can guide your company’s growth seven and seven will help bring the changes you need. Wear small business consultants and we pay attention to the details. You may miss. 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Gloria, my pronouncing your last name, right. Okay, good. Thank you, altum. Let’s. See, ross, you’re the executive producer at riverside digital. What? What ideas have you got for for the production now that we know what our purposes are. Well, we’ve hired the right person. You know, our long term purposes for the video. What are some things that you think we need to keep in mind for production? Right, it’s always. Good idea. Tio, have a strategy session with your client and someone like gloria always has such great ideas about, you know how you want the peace to look. Do you want it to look clean? Do you want it to look what i mean by clean is, you know, oftentimes we shoot with that sort of mac mac commercial. Look, with the with the clean white background but the or do you want to have a more organic feel? More environmental field? You want it to be, you know, buy-in people’s offices he wanted to be, you know. Wanted to be outside, you talk about how you want the look and feel of the video to be that’s one one question to contemplate, let me stop you there and turn to gloria. How do you how do you answer questions like that? Well, you know what? When, when? Someone when ross and mary asked, what do you want the look and feel to be, like that’s a pretty that’s a pretty open ended question i often like, i don’t know, yeah, but part of it also depends on who you’re honoring and sort of how you want to tell her story, like, for example, when our last community honoree he was, you know, fabrice fabrice, community activist so we wanted to shoot him in the neighborhood, you know, walking around with his, you know, local residents and just getting that feel of him in the community. Whereas when, when we are attorney honoree, we sort of focus that maurin his home, and so it was just, you know, different sort of creative background elements so it’s, really, who are you honoring what’s the focus and the concept of the video and then sort of take it from there. But what i do appreciate that it is it is, you know, a back and forth, like, sometimes we have ideas and ross’s like, no, that doesn’t make any sense, so it is sort of a back and forth so nice about it right now. E i think you would be yeah, and so that’s what? You would have to have your counting on that. I mean, you exactly want a creative person who says yes, yeah, that doesn’t really fit with what, on dh here’s, why that doesn’t fit with what we just talked about exactly because, you know, you know, i’m not thinking creatively on a day to day basis, you know? So when we have to start having those conversations, i appreciate sort of the gold, you know, the back and forth and sort of think about it this way and have you thought about this way? And i’m like, yeah, yeah? Or you are thinking very creatively about marketing and communications and development. Fund-raising but not about video story tell exactly, which is why we need a producer we need an expert, yeah, yeah, i know. And when we are, you know, talking about a particular honoree, we want to sort of set up the you get really good spokespeople for that honoree and craft questions that are pretty much the same for each of of the spokes people so we can get we compose that same question to multiple people and get different responses and put those responses side by side to see how different people have the take on that particular issue with the honoree. So, yeah, that’s, that’s one thing we craft the questions often times together and or we sort of refined them together. Okay? What story? You got married? Sorry. Please. Oh, no. Right. That’s way. Just want to help a person like gloria, you know, shaped the story that they want to tell. Okay? And in regarding of spokespeople, i mean, you really you wantto you want to find spokespeople that are energised that have a lot of a lot of things, good things to say. You want them to be good on camera. I mean, sometimes we, you know, it takes a lot of editing, so people don’t make a great presentation. Exactly. So you want to, you know, i would say, you know, talk to your talk to your own reeks that’s usually where the spokes people come from and say, look, we really want someone who’s going to sort of stand up for you and sort of have a strong voice. Gloria, have people usually been forthcoming with the honorees, been forthcoming with suggestions, but completely they usually know who’s in there in a circle who talks about them well, and those are the people that we want. And what i find is that when when, you know, when you’re asking someone to talk about, you know, their friend or or colleague there, they’re excited about that. And it is true about choosing the right questions because someone could talk forever or sort of go on about anecdotal stories. But you want to get key points, but it’s it’s so far, it’s been fairly easy finding the right people. Okay, okay, russ, what else? What else should we be thinking? Let’s? See, i would say, well, i mean, you want to. Well, on a technical note, i mean, mary is sort of brothers before, but you want to on the wants of the video is complete. You want teo and you’re ready to show it. You wantto have sort of technical overheard you want have at least one technical rehearsal going into the presentation because this is generally these air live events. And so you want, teo, make sure that, you know, you have redundancy and the way you can play the the video that is to dvd and it’s on a digital file, and you want, if you can, we’d like to go the day before the event and play the video on the actual equipment that’s going to be used on that night, you know, one of these, you know, when he surprises and you know what? We’ve had surprises. Yeah, but you basically a tech rehearsal, you want to have a technology just want to know that that thing is going to play, you don’t want it, tio have a blank screen. When when it’s showtime. Okay, it’s just so surprising, tony, all the money that goes into a benefit on dh, the flowers and the meal and drinks, and then not to have the a z tech staff, they’re revealing your material beforehand is, you know, it’s absolutely crucial to have that done that work that you put into the video it’s going to show and the videos going to be seen exactly the way you intended it to be. Russell russell, who did teo? Some problems that you’ve seen the past mary’s there are is there a exactly actually rushing to that? Okay, is there a bad story that yeah, i mean, we’ve we’ve at a gala of a few years ago, they just could not get the video to play, i couldn’t get it to play at all and so oh, and i had actually gone the day before, and i saw it play on the on the equipment, but they switched it out last minute off the equipment they switched the equipment, anime and so it’s i mean, really, i mean, i’m once i deliver it, i i should be done, but i always like to make sure i’d like to be in the room at the time and trouble shoot help figure it out, but yeah, you know, a t end of the day, they did get it to work one minute before went up, but, you know, it was a nail biter, okay? Okay, tech rehearsals. Decker, husky and i would also say to to plan ahead on the other platforms you want to use the video so, you know, my what i do is sort of, you know, let ross know that i want to be able to put on youtube or post on facebook because he’ll have to go through the process of compressing the video so we can use it on different platforms, so always remember think ahead like, yes, it’s for the night of but where else do i want the studio to go? What other technical issues become arise? Arise uh, mary, what is a b roll on? Dh what’s its role? Oh, sure. Well, this is b roll is shots of the area, perhaps where a building is, maybe it’s, maybe you’re going to be shooting in a playground. You’re interviewing somebody in the playground, but then you would take shots of children playing in the playground it’s a sort of execution, a sense of the setting of the environment where the organization is making an impact, for example, and it’s usually shot there’s, not any audio, but so that then you can take voiceover. Perhaps an interview is running long, but they’re an important points in the interview instead of focusing. On that person’s face, but all time you can go to the dear old, you can go to the setting that interview because speaking about and you can show different shots, and it really gives much more visual interest to the piece because that’s, another thing that we see often in the’s er honoree tributes is that they’re too many talking heads and low people, maybe making good points. It gets a little boring visually just to see people speaking all the time. So it’s great teo, you know, encouraging the production team to go out and get some b roll, because then it will just make the video that much more interesting. Visually on dh photos there’s a photo archive that could be good. Good b roll material. Also, photos are great and you and you could do a lot with photos now. I mean, in the age of photo shop, i mean, you can take part of the image and highlight a part of the image and you can do a lot creatively inside a photo. So all those photos that are, you know, sitting, you know, in an archive somewhere or in a file cabinet those need to be repurposed and brought out to help help help tell the story. I mean, it definitely adds a personal note. Two stories, you’re nodding a lot. Yeah, and i was just going to say two and even other videos in twenty eleven my first year working with ross, we post some humus lee honored sergeant shriver, and i feel that’s like of fantastic video, of course, because who he is as a person, but we were able to use some of the video from forgetting the, i think seven poverty, thank you, a lot of his personal photos, so it just it just made the video that much more dynamic and a clip of sort of, you know, a little bit of one of the speeches he gave about poverty, and it was, you know, the night of, you know, it really moved the room, and so exactly you want you want the video to be more dynamic, and i would say to what? They would get a lot of b roll, because then it allows you to repurpose the video later on, because when you’re getting a lot of shots, whether it’s, you’re the neighborhood you’re working in. Or the you know, the youth program that you worked with. Get a lot of that, because then we could recut it later. Ross could recut it later, and, you know, use it for other purposes. Let’s. Just remind us who sergeant shriver was sergeant shriver. Wealth in the legal world, he was a founding member of sort of legal legal services corporation and he’s. Been way was instrumental, very instrumental in shaping legal services in all over the country, was tapped to be to start the war on poverty and to the johnson administration, yes, and that’s. Sort of. Out of those johnson programs came legal services corporation and brooklyn legal services. Sort of. Ah. Organization that came out of that right and because i know you’re serving your e-giving legal assistance, low income not only people, but also but organization organization. Yes, we also provide legal legal services to non-profit organizations engaged in community development work. Ross, how are we going to do all this in how many minutes? This is sounding like a thirty five minutes, forty minutes winning documentary, but it can’t be the night of the gala does not allow for a forty minute documentary on individual no, he needs to be really tight. I would say no more than five minutes. Somewhere between three to five seems to be a sweet spot where people can engage. You can tell a good story in that amount of time, and people you want to leave them wanting more. You don’t want them saying, you know, when i’m going to get my next drink or order? Yeah, so they want they want a nice a short and sweet and impactful. You really wanted teo leave. You want to have to start, start strong and strong and have an emotional impact. What advice do you have turned a little bit to the to the to the event thie event coverage, not showing but the run walk ride gloria, is this brooklyn a involved in have events like that or we don’t do any runs, it walks, we do we the past couple years, we film the actual program itself. So ross has done that way do cover that we do cover events, we covered the night of just so we all the speakers are covered, and you have a fear archives, and you, khun, for people who couldn’t make it that given night, we post that online and ok, we generally shoot that with two to three cameras. So there’s some variety in the visual. Okay, okay, uh, what else? What else around anything different that we would be doing for something that is going to be an outdoor run, walk, ride, race? Something like that? Well, i mean, you know, there are so many we’ve covered races where we’ve thrown guy’s on roller blades with steady cameras on steadicam, saand and video cameras now there’s so many great wearable cameras, you know, we we will put those people out in the race, he’ll actually do the race, or they’ll ride along in a bike to capture the footage to get that get that sense of, you know, this is what the event is. This is how how people engage on the actual walk and running component of the race. And then you wanna have more of a more traditional cameras to record the experience after the race before the race get get people, you know, interviews and that sort of coverage where these wearable cameras warned they’re amazing how you can mount these. I mean, these these cameras, you can mount them on the surf board if you want. So you can imagine you can wear them on your chest on a hat you could wear the money a wrist there are and the images spectaculars, um and the whole idea. Pardon me till he’s no upleaf is capturing the energy and enthusiasm of the participants in the event so that you can bend, cut, ah, highlight reel and use it as a terrific recruitment volunteer recruitment and part participant video. You can cut something short that can be shared on social media platforms saying, hey, look at a great time at this event last year come on and join me this year. Sign up for my team and let’s walk together yeah, it’s a great way to engage you know, the young young people and it says that this is definitely the place to be. We’ve actually covered races and repurposed the footage. Not only is a end of year wrap up video, but use that as a commercial, we’ve used the the actual footage, the b roll footage from the event used it in a commercial to promote god’s love we deliver. You could see that on our website, actually, which is a riverside digital dot com? Absolutely, gloria, how have you repurposed some of the honoree videos or the end or the gala videos that gala coverage that you’ve done well so far, we’ve repurposed, um, to do like a sort of organizational wide about brooklyn legal services video, so we’ve used some content for that, but we are actually at the stage now with ross having discussions about now that we have this powerful leo videos, what to do next with it? And so really for me, it’s thinking about our larger communication strategy again, sort of how i want teo expand our reach, i engage people s o looking at all this content that we have and see what we can do more, you know, to do more with it. Very nice position to be. And to have that video portfolio teo, turn to wey have to leave it there. Rossman, akello and mary carlin are with riverside digital productions. You’ll find them at riverside digital dot com gloria ramon, director. Development of communications for brooklyn legal. I kind of garbled brooklyn, brooklyn legal services corporation a and they are at b k a dot org’s. Mary ross. Gloria. Thank you so much. Thanks, tony. This has been great. It’s been a real pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Pleasure. I want to remind you that spring and summer are are here, summer’s coming spring is here. And i think that now is the time for you to be thinking about your summer plans. Or maybe even fall plans. You work in a e-giving profession and that’s what we’re all about. And you’re giving day in and day out. And probably not just eight hours a day, but ten hours, maybe. Maybe. Mohr some days, weekends. Weekend work. Not so uncommon in non-profits you’ve got to take time for yourself and summer and fall or good times to do that, a lot of people, obviously we take vacations, but planet now start looking ahead now so that when summer is when it’s labor day, you’re not looking back saying, where the hell did summer go and how come i didn’t take time off? So please, if you’re going to give to others, as you do and you get joy from doing it, you’re going to give i believe you’ve got to take and that is taking time for yourself. So plan now and rejuvenate later and that’s tony’s take two for friday, the fourth of april fourteenth show of the year. Very glad now, tio introduce a piece from be become the blackboard conference in october of last year with divers stanley from blackbaud this is a board that brings in the bucks. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of bb khan, twenty thirteen, where outside washington d c at the gaylord convention center in national harbor, maryland. I’m with debbie stanley. She is manager of the customer service team at blackbaud, and her session topic at bebe khan is building a board that brings in the bucks. I love the alliteration, as listeners will no doubt be stanley, welcome. Thank you, and i’m sorry to correct you, tony, but its manager of customers success when i was just service, you said service, and while we’re all about service, my team is about success. Esther and i wrote down success too, and i still read service alright, i’ll get another shot at the end, okay? I’ll get it straight, but its success right here. So you did? I know. Okay, well, that’s really not much of a reassurance because it just means i can’t read. I know that i wasn’t listening, i just can’t read. Um, yes, this is a big problem fund-raising boards on dh lack of fund-raising among boards, maybe the entire board or maybe some individual board members i’ve had guests on. We’ve talked about this, not that tony martignetti non-profit radio is going to change it, but why is this a perennial topic? Well, tony and that was one of the reasons i wanted to be very clear about the difference between service and success. Board members feel like they’re serving your organization by giving their time giving their talents but being a successful boardmember is giving of your treasures e-giving money helping raise money, you know, we’ve been raised in our society. You don’t talk about what the top three at the dinner table politics, religion, money? Well, the bottom line is companies aren’t afraid to talk about the return on investment, they’re not afraid to talk about what type of money they need. I mean, they put a price tag right there, but we is non-profits are ashamed to tell our board members i expect you to raise money. Why is that? I think that the the comment that was made in several of our sessions today was fear we’re afraid they’ll leave. We’re afraid that if we make that a requirement, they won’t join us in our very important work. So it’s fear and i hate that i hate that, but that’s true. So there are lessons that we can learn from the corporate side absolutely out being unabashed, talking about money? Absolutely, absolutely. And i think there’s a lesson to be learned a cz non-profit professionals and non-profit leaders get the fear out of the room. It has no place at the board table. Your constituents, the people that you serve every day are scared enough. They’re scared of going hungry. They are scared of losing their homes. They’re scared of their children, going without education, that’s something to be afraid of. Don’t be afraid of telling your family, your board of directors that you’ve got a problem, that you need their help. And that is why they are there. The number one reason for your board is to raise money and to make sure that you are financially sound. So we’ve got to get the fear out of the room and it’s just it’s, basically just going, swallowing hard and making they ask and telling them what you need. Okay, well, how are we going to get started with this way? Want to put our fear aside what we do while tony, i think that like any good problem, it’s admitting we have a problem, it’s saying, we know that that problem is out there. I mentioned today in my session that i would love to see organizations like a f p board source. Other trade organizations that served this, this very important sector of our business bringing this conversation out there and, you know, the only thing that’ll that will hurt us is not having the conversation of listening to each other, saying, hey, how are you solving that problem? It’s been hurting us, it’s, and it continues to hurt us because we’re not getting to any resolutions, and i think it’s got to be a conversation that comes out of the hallways of the non-profit andr labbate squarely into the board rooms of every non-profit not just these guys, you know what, the top level that can’t afford to make those give or get requirements it’s got to come down into our small to midsize non-profits where board service is considered a privilege at every level, you know, it’s, a it’s, a paradigm shift if you’ve got no not know what part of the country you’re from, but here and certainly this is true. If you want to serve on the board of some of the top tier non-profits they have no problem asking you to write a check for twenty five thousand dollars a year, a year exactly. And if you don’t give that money or you don’t get that money in some way you’re not on the board, but you’re going to make sure you give her get that because you want to be on the board. It is a place of honor. We’ve got to dio a paradigm shift where there is a place of honor for anybody that serves on a non-profit board, i’d love to see a f p boards source try to get some activity congress where you get a tax deduction for board service or something along those lines where we could really make systemic changes in the way that we run the third sector, where being on the board is an important valued piece of our society. Now seo’s executive directors can give their board members these feelings right with the right kind of leadership in the right kind of message is absolutely and the way they treat the board meetings and, um, engage with board members. I mean, you could do this on individual level, even without the congressional absolute about the tax advantage, absolutely we can do that, absolutely, that needs to be done. It has to be done, it’s not being done, and part of the problem with that is the ceo and the executive director’s are not being so supported by board presidents and bored leadership of mandating yes, fund-raising is a function of this board. So your executive director confide that battle all they want, teo. But if the board isn’t going to self govern, they’re not going to get very far in a meeting we had yesterday out of the forty, fifty people in the room on ly about eight of them had a board e-giving requirement and the number one reason why they didn’t was they’re bored wouldn’t enforce it, so you’re you’re e t kayman lee do as much as they can dio and then their hands get tied if they can’t be supported by the efforts of the board dafs how do we start to change the mind of the other thirty eight, thirty years in the room? I really think that it starts with educating the public on what it means to be on a non-profit board ah, the fund-raising requirements in the need i love the talk, the ted talk, the ted talk that all the non-profits latto damp alatas, ted talk because it’s so important to understand that there isn’t just in general operations and restricted dollars, but it costs money to run a business, any business and non-profit is a business, you know, you talk about the executive director’s, you know, encouraging their board members to be a fund-raising board we’re we’re we want to force them to do that, but we don’t want to pay them anything, you know, we want that to be a volunteer effort because our it’s just it’s, it’s, it’s whacked, it’s whacked thinking so we have tio start educating our public on what boards service on a non-profit is really about we need thio increase visibility for volunteerism s o it just it’s education, okay, education, but, well, let’s talk about how the, how the edges sarrantonio can start doing this when we need some some concrete steps. But why? Why do you wantto make sure listeners know that you can find that dahna video that debbie is talking about by just googling dan pelada, it’s, two l’s and two piece and the name of that video is the way we think about charities is dead wrong. When we did a show on that, you’ll find jean takagi. And i commented over over two shows up one each month. He’s, on once a month about how we got to these steps, thiss stage and how. The plot of vision could be executed. You’ll find that with me and gene takagi. Okay, so, debbie, what are we going to do? I mean, what is the executive director seo gonna do? Concrete steps. How do we start? Toe make the board members feel what you’re talking about. One of that in our in our session today. What? We talked about it it’s like birthing a baby, you know, start recruitment. It does. It does. And if you see it in the in the same terms, they’re fresh there knew you. You made him from scratch. I love that line. S o build him up. Right. So the first thing is, you know, you want that baby to be able to hold up their head and look you in the eye and say, i know what this is all about. I get the mission, i can articulate your mission. I looked around that room and i said, how many of you non-profit professionals today, ken, recite the mission of the organization? I had to tell you, tony, i was a little taken aback that not very many people raised their hands. We have to be able to articulate that mission in a very simple, short sweet sentence, and we is non-profit professionals have to be able to do it, and our board has to be able to do it. We talk a lot about the elevator speech, the two minutes if you’ve got something and say, hey, i heard about that board, what is it you want to make sure they’ve got that down pat? So i think that’s number one, make sure they can hold their head up high and they can look you in the eye and say what that organization is all about. The second is about building the body. Now that you’ve come raise your head, you want to make sure that they can sit up straight and that’s the heart, make sure that they’re giving first of all, we’ve got time telling the treasures, bottom line, they have to give you money, they had to give money. There are very few corporations or grantspace foundations, that well funded organization that does not have one hundred percent board giving, you know? And yeah, that doesn’t mean you have to give twenty five thousand dollars like you have. To for the new york symphony, give a gift that is meaningful to you. You know, if if i go and ask my mother for a loan, i better make sure that i really don’t have a thousand dollars sitting in my bank account when i go and ask my mother for a two hundred dollar loan that’s just not right, and we’re serving this because we want to do the right things, do the right thing, invest in the non-profit so making sure that heart is right and then it’s what you do give your board things to do, give them riel task, you know fund-raising is not just about the ask it’s not just sitting next to somebody asking them for money are asking them to contribute in the room ways. There are other things that board members could do around fund-raising that i’m not soliciting. Exactly host a party at your house. Um, introduce the organization to new people absolutely acquire new donors, absolutely go through a list of donors and make connections for them. There’s any variety of things that a non-profit boardmember can do, they can write a letter to their congressmen, do some advocacy. Help get a grant by writing letters of support, there’s any of a number of ways, things that that organizations can’t even on the stewardship side thanking donors, maybe have, ah, call bank of of trust is actually, one of the suggestions we made this morning was exactly that. So there was a reason calls to make you’re saying, thank you, i know it. Don’t you love that? Yeah. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Oppcoll have you ever considered consulting a road map when you feel you need help getting to your destination when the normal path seems blocked? A little help can come in handy when choosing an alternate route. Your natal chart is a map of your potentials. It addresses relationships, finance, business, health and, above all, creativity. Current planetary cycles can either support or challenge your objectives. I’m montgomery taylor. 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We’ve got to take some responsibility, too. I’d say we’ve got to train them, we’ve got to help them. We’ve got to, you know, create an environment where fund-raising is easy, okay, you mentioned a couple of very important things, training and support who should be doing this, training the executive director, thie staff of the non-profit, together with the board chair, together with other members of the board and it really it’s about your non-profit. Yeah, there’s. No one size fits all, but it is creating a culture where fund-raising is the primary. I’m stopping myself because i hate to say primary because and for specifically, right after i said different strokes for different folks, you gotta look at your non-profit and decide how you’re going to execute it, but the bottom line is you have to execute a plan where fund-raising is a critical part of that plan, and so it can be everything from an annual training session where you bring in outside counsel. I’m a big believer in bringing outside counsel they here from a different set of ears, then that voice they hear every day when they hear that voice once a year, you can get some points across. She can’t another ways sometimes that can say things about what you’re saying points across, they can say things that insiders can’t say. Well, you know, the insider can say it, but they don’t hear and then they’re right in some ways you can’t say it it’s like that elephant, the room everybody knows that person right there needs to be off the board, but it takes a consultant to come in and say, leave no before somebody here is that so you had training creating a culture of environ unenviable mints of fund-raising have good board materials, good board recruiting, good board training. So it’s very clearly spelled out that this is what we expect you to do. I hear a different advice on this around the the the expectations of boardmember ship at the recruitment stage what’s your advice around whether there should be a document that signed that i understand i’ve read all these expectations, and i intend to live up to them versace laying it out, but maybe not being as formal as as a signed document. You have a sense of that always the signed document, never, ever, ever not a signed document. So you could say, i have an opinion, okay? And and my reason is this when you sign any type of car or when you enter into any kind of contract there’s a signature involved and you are entering into a contractual agreement with a non-profit that says i’m coming, i’m taking a space on the board. I am going to adhere to my duty of care as late forth by the attorney general, whatever governing body governs this non-profit in exchange, you’re going to provide me training here to provide me opportunities to serve and i’m going to do this in exchange for this partnership that we’re entering into for the next two years. So you actually like to see it laid out in the form of a contract? Well, you promised it, maybe not illegally, yeah, yeah, i’m not. I am an attorney, but i’m not using it that way. Now you’re not legally enforceable agreement in terms of, i promise to do this and you, the charity or promising to do that, absolutely a memorandum of understanding. Okay, yeah, what about the another area that you mentioned support with training, there has to be ongoing support. How should the charity be supporting its boards? Fund-raising i think that at every first off, i’m a big believer in fen development committee’s, as part of your board structure, and then they kind of oversee all of the fund-raising activities at the board level and beyond. But i think that thie support from the non-profit is ongoing and systematic at every board meeting. There’s a report there’s request there’s follow-up your development officers very involved with the board giving program ah there’s annual training on fund-raising activities, maybe quarterly training on different trends going on, it is an integrated part of your board meeting in your board culture. Okay, so actually, an agenda item. Oh, yes. Oh, yes, yes, i showcase today. Ah, couple of items that i would always include in your board package is part of your fund-raising reporter you’re dealt development report and one of those is you’ve got your annual campaign. You’ve got your events and how much they raise. Well, your board giving program should be reported on his well, it doesn’t have to be a dollar amount, but your goal is for one hundred percent of your board to give every month put it in there. Is it sixty percent? Is it seventy percent? Is that thirty percent and make them look at it every month and it’s like you’re going to know you gave? I’m going to know i gave there look around the table and they’re wondering who didn’t give. All right, what we’re going, what we’re gonna do with the with difficult cases it’s, easy to say, get them off the board, but that’s often very difficult right now, you can’t just i, you know, it’s, just we go back to the analogy of birthing a baby. You can’t give your kids back, but boardmember zehr are some ways that you can encourage them to seek service other way other way other way, first of all, big proponent of of term limits. So if you’ve got a two year term or a three year term, scattered terms, then you know you’ve got this problem. Herson, you’re only going to have them for a short amount of time. That’s one that is easily executed, easily implemented. The second we talked about signed or not signed agreements, you’ve got a signed agreement. I’m going to do this, you’re going to do that, and if you don’t here’s the agreement. That’s. The easiest way to make sure that you’re bored or all doing there are behaving themselves. They’re behaving in the manner in which you expect, and as we’ve said, this has to come from leadership. The board chair has to embrace this in order for it to be a part of the culture of the board. Absolutely, yes, the board has to embrace it, and they all have to agree that this is behavior in which they’re going to hold themselves accountable. What else would you like to say about getting bored that brings in the bucks? I i’m honored to speak to this topic, first of all, because i feel so passionately about it, and i do believe that we’re seeing improvement. It’s not there yet, but it will get there. And it’s continuing the conversation. We have already gone a long way in the last couple of years of getting away from the diatribe. We’re not going to pay our people. We’ve gotten to a place where we are professionalizing the non-profit sector and i am thrilled to be part of those conversations and i am honored as i said, to continue with these dialogues and i think that’s just what we have to do. We have to keep talking about it. We have tio continuing. Continue with the education, treat the non-profit sector as a person professional business and they will act more professionally. It’s, just like your kids. Tell him what you expect and hold him accountable. Debbie elliot. Sorry, debbie stanley. This time i messed up her name. First time s geever topic. Uh, title that’s. Terrible that’s. Okay, you may be memorable. I’m sorry. Debbie stanley is manager of the customer success team. Blackbaud, thank you so much for being a guest. 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