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No. Durney welcome tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host tony martignetti welcome to the show today little shout to ah, larry bloom, who just left the studio. If you have never listened to the divorce our with larry bloom, you should he proceeds this show every week, and if you want to see pictures of larry brew bloom, you can go to the facebook page for my show. Actually, larry is too humble to have pictures of his own eyes that his own facebook page to have his own ah pictures up. But you could see pictures of larry on this show’s facebook page and give the address for that later on. She’ll shout teo! Larry bloom last week it was i’m looking, i’m looking feature savvy strategies for your search. We had our job seeker and resident recruiter paula marks helping the job seeker leonora leonora, who is going to come back on the show, helping her make the move from for-profit to non-profit career. And then after that, it was how to cripple your career in five easy steps you’ll remember that was my pre recorded interview with robert sharpe from the national conference on philanthropic planning we were all about career last week this week, pass the cup to corporations, techniques to develop your corporate sponsorship strategy and build relationships so you can ask for corporate sponsorship support with credibility and confidence. My guest is going to be john hicks. John is the president and ceo of j c geever and after john joins us, then we’re going to talk about fund accounting software. Our tech expert scott koegler, editor of non-profit technology news, returns to the show, and he has product reviews for this backoffice necessity. Those of you who are in the know know, recognize is that proper accounting is critical to keeping your board, the irs and others who may be looking over your shoulder. 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Dahna welcome back to the show, i’m tony martignetti, the host of tony martignetti non-profit radio we’re talking now about corporate sponsorships past the cup to corporations. My guest is john hicks he’s, the president and ceo of j c geever you’ll find jason geever at j c geever dot com and geever spelled g e e v e r. The company was founded in nineteen seventy five and provides cost effective and creative guidance and support designed to help non-profit institutions assess and master fund-raising challenges, the firm provides consulting, management and training services all in support of organizations of every size. Again, the web addresses jacey geever dot com john hicks is president and ceo of the firm, and i’m very glad that his work brings him back to the show. John, welcome back. Thank you. Pleasure to have you back. We’re talking about corporate sponsorships, but before we get into the sponsorships let’s talk about corporation fund-raising generally sort of broad view had his corporation fund-raising breakdown well, corporate philanthropy generally falls into two categories. There’s is the general corporate giving programs that you’ll come across and that’s basically were a corporation sets aside money and a budget. And they give it away, and then you have corporate foundations were, or corporation may incorporate its own separate foundation, and they give money through that foundation. So there’s, usually a couple of channels of funding you can access, and we’re talking about the former today, the more the sponsorship type. Oh, absolutely wartime, my sponsorship. We’re talking about corporate contributions budgets, and when a non-profit is, well, actually, you’re first let me remind people that we’re live today and let me give the number to call if you’d like to call in and talk to. John asked a question for him. Our number is eight, seven seven for eight xero, for one, two, zero, eight, seven, seven for eight xero for one to xero sorry about that interruption, john. A non-profit looking to get some sponsorship dollars. What do they really offer the corporation? Have they figure that out? I think the any non-profit that’s, doing a good job of securing corporate sponsorships is first and foremost thinking about where the non-profit has visibility, where has reach of what good it does in the community, these air, all three aspects, if you will, of corporate sponsorship that you have to think like a corporate e-giving officers thinking, okay, if i’m a corporate giving officer, first of all, i have to justify our contributions to our shareholders, so one way i can do that pretty easily is to say that we’re investing dollars with charities that have reached two constituencies where maybe we want to enhance or increase our visibility, and the answer brand could very well be local ahs wells national can be local, it can be national eso first of organizations need to think entrepreneurially about this, they also have to think about doing good. I mean corporations, by and large one investor dollars where the dollars were goingto a complice, some good for end user. So you’re thinking about who are the end users and how are they benefitting from our work and therefore the corporation can have an association with our good results. And then i think the other thing that charity needs to think about is what other kinds of opportunities they may have to involve the corporation in tony, if i had to pick one hot topic for everyone to think about is, how can you involve corporate employees as volunteers? This’s something you’re seeing across the board in corporate philanthropy, companies are looking for opportunities to get their employees involved with charities. So the organization really needs to be thinking about how the employees can get involved in the event that that they’re asking for the sponsorship of somehow what could be an event. You can create a something pretty simple where you could have employees come in and mentor kids get involved with families. I mean, some some charities, like habitat for humanity, they have a great belt in mechanism because you can re employees and then build house houses or things like that. Ah, some charities have to think a little more out of the box, if you will. You know, how might we bring employees in, for example, for a day and have them work with our constituents it’s given the employees of valuable experience but it’s also really great for your constituents, showing that there are people who really care and in just a minute we have left you’re seeing more companies focus on this, a zoo condition of sponsorship. Well, it’s it’s increased over the years. I think it was a few years back, mckenzie and company did a survey of the corporate sector in the us, and they found that companies that had volunteer employees volunteer programs had a hyre hyre ants retention rate in companies that didn’t so it’s certainly something that’s really coming to vote in the last two years in corporate america, we’re going to take a break, and my guest is john hicks, president ceo of j c geever we’re talking past the cup to corporations all about sponsorships, corporate sponsorship, we’re live today calling number is eight seven seven for eight xero for one to xero please stay with us co-branding dick dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding you’re listening to the talking alternate network get in! Nothing. Cubine hi, i’m new york state senator joe a dabo. I will be hosting a Job fair on friday, november 12 at aqueduct racetrack in queens, contending into three p m, we will have over one hundred companies looking for qualified workers. They’re all to be lectures on job strategies and networking. Come and bring plenty of resumes and join me on friday, november twelve at aqueduct racetrack for a Job fair. Intending empty 3 pm. For more information, please call pete in my district office at seven one eight seven three eight one one one one, bonem. I really need to take better care of myself. If only i had someone to help me with my lifestyle. I feel like giving up. Is this you mind over matter, health and fitness can help. If you’re expecting an epiphany, chances are it’s not happening. Mind over matter, health and fitness can help you get back on track or start a new life and fitness. Join joshua margolis, fitness expert two one two eight sixty five nine to nine xero. Or visit w w w died mind over matter. N y c dot com are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com way. Look forward to serving you. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Welcome back to tony martignetti non-profit radio with john hicks. We’re talking about corporate sponsorships, and during that break, we we gotta call. So let’s, uh, let’s. Start with that call. We have. Abigail, are you there? Abigail? Yes. Thanks for joining us. Where you calling from and what’s your organization like i’m calling from indiana. And i have a small non-profit dance company. And i’m developing a program to try to bring workshops, dance workshops into world schools, and i i want it to be free to the school. I want to fully fund it and offer it to the school systems as an after school program. My question is ahead. White research, the appropriate corporations to target both nationally and locally. I think both arts and education are hot topic and especially toe bring it to rural areas. But i’m just not sure where to start in terms of finding the appropriate corporations. Yes, sir. John. How does abigail find the right places to approach? Well, i’m gonna go with two. Resource is, for starters, abigail, you can simply use the foundation directory online, which you can probably get toe a cooperating collection, which is a public library. In your community that would have access to the foundation center’s database as part of that data base, they have information, i believe it’s on fifty five hundred corporate giving programs. And you can even research those corporate programs by types of products that they produce, where they have operations. So you can think about the communities where you want to take your program and find companies that have a geographic interest. So that’s one area or one type of reason should also be able to search by arts and education. John, you can search by arts and education. This’s what we have to remember when it comes to research is that a lot of companies have very diverse interests. So you might have a company that is really excited about partnering with a dance program. That’s going into rural in the in the end is that correct on dh? They may have an interest in getting their logo on their visibility out there. So for example, it could be you could go toe. Aah! Major utilities company. I mean, for example, here in the metropolitan area in the york city, you’ll see dance companies that have sponsorship for community. Programming for places like con ed, a son and verizon they’re not necessarily in the business of the arts, but they certainly reach a lot of consumers. So using the foundation directory online is a great place to start because the information’s already there it’s segment that and you’ll have a library in whose trained to help you. So go to the foundation center website, foundation center dot org’s, and from there you can find a cooperating collection near you that has access to that database, and you can use it at that library free of charge. And you said there was a second resource. Also, there is a second resource, and you confined this and a lot of public library’s, not everyone, so you’ll have to look around for it. But there’s there’s, a database that’s called corporate affiliations who who owns whom, and this is where you can literally put in zip codes where you’re doing business, and it will show you companies and subsidiaries the companies that are located in those communities. One way i use this, for example, is, if i’m say interested in going toe a bank and i want to get a bank to do a sponsorship with a client organization. I go into that database and i simply want to find out where do they have branch offices. And you can put in zip codes and find out where they have the branch offices. So a couple of good database tools for you to use. Okay, abigail, does that help you out? Yes. That’s. Very helpful. Thank you very much. Very welcome. Thanks for calling. Okay, thank you. Bye bye. And, john, while we were answering abigail’s questioned you alluded to something that i think is a distinction may be that we want to make. I asked you, you know, can you specifically search for arts and education? But this is not like corporate foundation philanthropy where there’s a specific there could be more specific targeted purposes, probably around the company’s interests. Then there are around. Then we’re going to find around sponsorship activities. Is that right? The foundation’s going team or the corporate foundation e-giving more focused than the the corporate sponsorship philanthropy typically that’s the case. Tony it’s. A safe assumption. Okay, thank you. What types of events or or don’t even have to be events, but what types of programs? Things might non-profits find that are viable for for sponsorship opportunities. Well, you mentioned the first well, the first one you mentioned, which is his events, and you’ll see that a number of non-profits use special events is an opportunity for sponsorship and that’s a great gately activity. Why? Because first of all, you’re guaranteed to bring people together where the company’s gonna have some visibility. It’s a great social event, it’s a great way to network and have give corporate employees a hands on flavor of the institution, so special events are always, you know, probably top of mind for most charities, but certainly volunteer activities. You know, if you can have ah, get a company to sponsor a day at your charity where they bring in an employee team and maybe they’re going to help you spruce up your your your space or, you know, do some hands on work with kids and families that’s a great way of introducing yourself to a corporation, and you’re giving them some value as well and terrific visibility and terrific absolute kind of value that they’re looking for. How do you know how much to ask for and there’s a bit? Of an art to that, um, with most corporations, if you think about the company is being i think of of cos tony’s is being basically three layers at the bottom layer, you have sales and service, and these are field representatives and employees who are goingto have high touch in the community, and a lot of times those employees are given an opportunity to make small contributions to a charity. It might be a few hundred dollars. It might be a thousand or two thousand dollars. Typically, this is where you’re selling someone a table or tickets one event. The next layer up would be the supervisor’s for sales and service might be vice president level folks inside a company and they may have sign off on contributions. May be up to a level of five to ten thousand, and then if you go one level above that the office dafs of the ceo, executive, vice president plus and then you could get in the much larger contributions it’s a little bit like a board game. Versatile. It depends. Were can you access the company? I mean, you know, where is your contact? Wth the court if the ceo of the company is your next door neighbor. You can go borrow a cup of sugar and answer twenty five thousand dollars, i suppose. But ah, latto shoretz with people living in scarsdale or greenwich, i’m not family with other wealthy. Well, san francisco, you know certain neighbourhoods in san francisco, and i’m sure there are lots of neighborhoods like that in the midwest. I’mjust not personally acquainted with them, but you have to be living in one of those places to have a neighbor like that. Well, they have a neighbor, but she may have access to yoon seo’s. We all come from somewhere. So yeah, that’s the way i look at it, but but realistically, a lot of charity start with a small contribution that’s a gateway gift, as i call it, and that can then lead to larger opportunities down the road. Because you mentioned earlier that using the directory that you recommended for our caller, that you’ll look maybe to see where the local where the where the national bank has local offices, so the local branch office might be the person’s only only point of contact by necessity there, starting at that point, banks are pretty easy, because you can go into a branch and you can talk to a branch manager and that’s a great place to start the contribution. You can also look at retailers. Um, you take any of your major retailers, and if they have a presence in the local community, you can talk to a store manager a lot of times. Tony, when we’re using a directory like director of corporate affiliations, it’s where you may have this mysterious widget factory on the outskirts of your town, and you’re wondering while g, what do they do? And they don’t get very much money, but if you get a director of corporate affiliations and you look up that company, you might find out hey there, subsidiary of dupont and all of sudden there’s a big parent company there that can make a much larger contribution even if you don’t have an access suppose you don’t know anybody inside that widget company or inside the bank, even at the local branch level, you know, i presume you still should give it a shot, right? Absolutely. I mean, you know, it’s like wing gretzky said you missed one hundred percent of the shots. You don’t take i think the question is, who do you who do you contact and best companies have someone who’s in charge of community affairs or public relations, and these are good people to start with because they’re thinking about visibility, and they’re thinking about touch with the community and that’s what they’re there for. So think of it is you’re bringing them an opportunity, and when you’re talking to them, you want your you’re asking mt to be appropriate with what it is you can offer them in return. Typically you want teo have an ask amount that is appropriate, given your relationship. This is why a good strategy is having several opportunities walking in and saying we can do this for a thousand dollars what we could do this for twenty five thousand very similar to individual fund-raising right? If if you’re asked, you typically ask for at different levels for different opportunities that you know, appeal to an individual donor sze obviously it’s parallel for for this kind of sponsorship philanthropy, exactly, you’re going to present them with a menu, and maybe you helped him select what would be the most appropriate place for them to start i’m with john hicks he’s, the president and ceo of j c geever, which you’ll find at j c geever dot com. We’re talking about corporate sponsorship on tony martignetti non-profit radio, the number to call if you’d like to call into John is 8:7 74 eight xero for one to zero john after this relationship has been has gotten far enough along and the company has said yes what should the non-profit be expecting from this relationship well there’s going to be expectations in both directions i mean you certainly are within your right isn’t non-profit have expectations beyond the cheque in terms of the company is going to be supportive of your work and maybe they can help provide you with visibility but of course they’re going to have expectations of you and this is where you find of saying with any kind of a contribution before you cashed the check always read the letter make sure that you’re going to be able to meet their conditions and meet their expectations when it comes to visibility you know what sort of things are typical that you see and it’s typically they wantto they wantto have approval in press releases they will want it specified or want to specify how their logo should be displayed. You know, things like that are pretty straightforward. Are there some things that you might have to think twice about? Sure, i’ve seen corporations you know, come in and say, for example, they may want access to a mailing list where they may are exactly are they? You know, they may want to have an opportunity to speak at an event and, you know, does this’s why? As in my experience, certain charities i’ve worked with as they raise more, more money from corporations began to do things like developed gift acceptance policies. What kind of companies will we accept contributions from water, the conditions of acceptance? So in the beginning, you’re probably playing a little more by year, but once you become a popular charity, you need to really think about, you know, number one, how do you want that corporate in premature placed on the work that you d’oh? And also you have to be mindful that you may be balancing a lot of different relationships and you want to make sure that you’re meeting the needs of all of your donors? If you promise something, the one that you’re not promising to something, someone else can create problems, or there needs to be a very good reason why it was. It was sponsorship at a different level or something like that, right? And you draw another very interesting parallel between this type of fund-raising and individual fund-raising, and that is the gift acceptance policy. I’ve said. I’m not familiar with it on the corporate sponsorship side, but it makes perfect sense if you’re going to make this a routine activity. What what other types of, um, parameters, maybe even approval levels should be in the the, uh, the acceptance policy approval levels. I mean, some some charities, you know, fundamentally have regulations were its own board of directors have to sign off on a corporate sponsorship at a certain level. I’ve seen that. And after the fact let’s say it is an event because that sounds like that’s the most, most common the event has happened, everyone seems very happy. How do you appropriately to say thank you to the to the to the company? Well, you know, beyond simply saying thank you, which you’d be surprised a lot of us kind of forget to do that in the very risky in the heat of the battle. Altum i think it’s a question of ongoing communication yet treat, treat the corporate sponsors a stakeholder, you know, once they put money on the table and there’s mean, they’re there to support the work that you do, so make him part of it. It means that you may want to visit with them a couple of times over the course of the year following and just keep them in the loop as you would with any other dahna as you would with an individual and yeah, you don’t wantto treat the people as, i guess, sort of, you know, just cogsa at the corporation mean, treat the treat the people who we’re at your event and who approved your sponsorship like people, as you would with individuals, what would you do so you can invite them to events? May be that the company’s not sponsoring your your messages, you want to keep them close? Absolutely let’s turn a little bit. Tio corporate foundation philanthropy. Last time you were on the show was it was july thirtieth for anybody wants toe. Look back to that. We talked a lot about private foundation giving, um, aren’t there sort of parallels, but also maybe some contrasts between corporate foundation philanthropy and private foundation philanthropy and really, in just a minute and a half, we have left. You want to close that loop a little bit? Sure, corporate foundations will operate very much the same way as a private foundation, you’ll still have to send the proposal. The proposal will end up being voted on by a board where it’s different is they’ll, you know, it’s not gonna surprise your corporate foundation is usually interested or has and the mission statement work that’s very aligned with the core mission of the creating corporations. So if you get a pharmaceutical foundation, they’re going to be supporting health care. So it’s for seoul making sure that you know you have the right kind of program that matches up with their interests. Some have the corporate foundation will want some visibility, even though it’s a separate entity from from a corporation. Is that right? Yeah, but by and large, it’s goingto work just about the same way as a private foundation. All right, thank you, john. And again, john was on july thirtieth and talked a lot about private foundation philanthropy, and we have to leave it there. My guest has been john hicks, president ceo of j c geever. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio. After this break, we’ll be joined by the show’s tech expert scott koegler, editor at non-profit technology news, and we’re going to be talking about fund-raising software. Stay with me. E-giving didn’t think dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding. You’re listening to the talking alternative network waiting to get in. E-giving cubine are you feeling overwhelmed and the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. 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They’re all to be lectures on job strategies and networking. So come and bring plenty of resumes and join me on friday, november twelfth, at aqueduct racetrack for a Job fair, contending enter 3 pm. For more information, please call pete in my district office at seven one eight seven three eight one one one one bonem. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Welcome back to tony martignetti non-profit radio, where we’re always talking big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent in a moment, i’ll be joined by our tech expert, scott koegler want to take a few moments for tony’s? Take two this week. 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Um, i’m doing podcast interviews for this show on the eighteenth on the nineteenth, i’m hosting a workshop from eleven to one pg and so me planned giving and social media and i can get you twenty percent off the whole conference both days because your listener to this show again, go to my blogged, or go to the facebook page for the show and you get information on that twenty percent discount the facebook pages at facebook dot com forward slash tony martignetti non-profit radio and that is tony’s take two for friday, november fifth. I’m joined now by our tech guru expert scott koegler scott’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find it and p tech news, dot com there’s also a link to that site on the show’s facebook page, because scott is a regular contributor and very welcome, very glad to have having back. Scott, welcome back. Well, thanks, tony. Good to be here. Thank you for joining us. And this week we’re talking about fundez accounting software. What? What is fund-raising scott? Good. Good question. I have fund accounting is something it’s very specific to non-profits mostly because non-profits generally have to account for some of the some of their money in terms of the funds or the designated accounting categories. So if they, uh, if a donor or a particular the event is is organized to put together a fun to handle the particular need, those going a little buckets before big buckets, i guess. And all those individual buckets need to be accounted for in terms of right income. That’s been earned on dh expenses. Disbursements that have been made at that fund level, right? And you know, if those are designated funds that were given by a particular contributor, that contributor probably wants some kind of accounting to say, okay, i gave you i gave you this amount of money, what did you do with it? Where did they go? Yes, what i gave you one hundred thousand dollars are for fifty thousand dollars in perpetuity or first set number of years and exactly is your point is they want to see the management of that money and it’s benefit to the people that your organization supports, right? So we need to be able to account for this for all these different funds as donors designate them, and you’re your review eyes the review out now or it’s coming out soon. Wait, just posting it today on newsletter goes out on tuesday, but the reviewers up online so, folks one look at that that’s n p tech news dot com alright on dh how timely we are. We’re getting a quick little pre announcement, but from the editor of non-profit technology news, the information goes up full and live later today. And scott, your review breaks down the different software packages, which we’ll get. To you very shortly by their appropriateness for small medium on dh, larger organizations. How do you how do you define those? Or do you are? Do you let people decide on their own which category they fit in? It’s a fluid categorization, if you will. Most of the way that we define them is by talking with the vendors of the software so they know what their capabilities are, what the sizes of their databases can handle and to some extent it’s the price. It also. Okay. Let’s, let’s. Jump in and talk about some of the features of these let’s. Start with the ones for smaller organizations. What’s the what’s. The first one you’d like to talk about. Well, the first one on our list is fundez easy accounting. And you may you may remember from our previous discussion that we talked about donorsearch management fundez he was one of the companies that also provides fund-raising software on. So the two probably work well together, i presume, right? They kind of funnel all of the information into the similar accounting package. Okay, that just for listeners, that show was on september seventeenth. Scott was on previously talking about fund-raising management software. Go ahead, scout. So tell us about the accounting function of fundez easy, right? The this is general accounting as well. A specific accounting for fund management. So, you know, the right up says that it has a an intuitive interface. You know, you would hope at this point that pretty much all of the applications that we use anymore have intuited grantspace the fact that our reviewer look at this and said, yeah, this is one of those is probably significant. This is relatively low price that starts for single user around seven hundred dollars, in addition to the fund specific functions, and also includes accounts payable receivables and general ledger. Okay, so there’s those general accounting functions correct? Is that typical? Do the i’m sorry, did they did they all or most of them include the general accounting functions as well as the fund accounting or not right in general, to be redundant, they used. They include general led to do yes. Okay, i wasn’t sure that was just for fun, deasy. Or generally, all of them. Okay, generally do because the buckets that these funds were put into our general ledger accounting categories, so if our listeners are familiar with general ledger accounting, you know, there’s there’s one thing it’s accounts payable there’s money received and then there’s money allocated for a particular song in this case. Okay, so these thes air able to import and export information from and two other applications, uh, one of the nice things about this. And i think this is fairly fairly generic to most of these again, the purpose is that your funders want to know what happened with the money. S o it’s one thing to look into the fund and say, okay, well, we have a hundred thousand dollars in their fund. The next question is, well, what’s it being used for in here this fundez easy accounting a cz. Well, some of the others have a function called drill down and that’s kind of ah kind of a ticking word for i click on the number and it shows me more detail about okay. Scott scott is acquainted with show he was worked very hard to avoid jorgen jail at that moment cause he defined this drill down function for us, so no need to invoke jargon jail. I know the listeners we’re thinking of it, but no need. The keys are still in my pocket. You know, you’re no need. Yes. Okay, well, sentences of generally short, you’d have been out, but but you avoided it all cost let’s go to another one for small organizations and i’m sure they share a lot of these functions. A cz you’ve mentioned what’s. Another one for small non-profits. Well, the next one i have on my list here, simon. See why am a not for profit accounting software? See? See why m a right. So it sounds like c y a, but it’s not does. It probably does some of the cover your ass ski. Eso is that this’s not cover. You’re asking accounting you would hope so. It actually it does. It does handle fund accounting as well. Simon is one of those companies has been around for quite a number of years in the general accounting and also in vertical environments where they address, you know specific in-kind company okay and again so i don’t confuse the listeners. It’s simon see y m a. I was being a funny boy with c y es. But ask you, by the way, i don’t know. If people know that, but that’s the american standard code for information interchange no, i didn’t know that it’s common knowledge, but i don’t want to put myself in jargon jail okay, enough let’s talk about cyma what not-for-profits accounting software, please it’s specifically have some of the same functionality as as do all of these in terms of fund accounting, what you’ll find is the ability to designate a fund, add funds to it, allocate funds out to specific purposes such as payroll, for instance, you may wanna dedicate designate ten percent of a fund to payroll where, as you know, it doesn’t cover the entire table, but it helps you may want to designate a portion of the fund for purchase of a new photocopier or to the phone bill, something like that so pretty much all of these alliance to do that? Yes, and that is important because there, because when people are given gift and there’s often an administrative costs, which is what, exactly what you’re describing, their administrative costs around administering that gift or that program, and they look and non-profits look for portions of donations to offset the cost of or portions of a cost of the administrative overhead and that’s exactly what you’re talking about. Right? Right, exactly. Half assed again. Do some of these others provide for a function called inter fund transfers on it is. He does what? You what it sounds like it does. It allows you to transfer funds from from one fund to another. This one is a little bit more expensive at twelve hundred dollars for the nonce for-profit accounting software and that that’s the general ledger side. And it also allows you to add additional modules for around six hundred dollars apiece, depending on the module. So those would be a payroll accounts payable. So we begin to see a difference here between fundez. Easy. For instance, an assignment in that fundez easy contains additional modules that are extra costs. With simon. Yes, scott. One of the times you were on, i think it was two times ago way talked about software as a service eyes a cloud computing. Is that the’s that type of packages or these software that you install locally? These are pretty much all locally installed applications. Okay, it’s, uh, accounting software is one of those that most organizations feel proprietary about. They want to keep it within the four walls well, okay, but we did talk about security, um, safeguards that can be made around that cloud computing. But i guess this is just so sensitive that companies don’t bother toe make it that way. You know, that’s one of those things that every company evaluates for themselves. My personal opinion is that security of cloud environments and sass environments is is just fine, but my opinion is not always good enough for the city. So, uh, trend is that about about twenty percent of corporations now you some form of cloud or sas services, but that’s still twenty percent that’s pretty far from everybody and not in this accounting arena. I’m with scott koegler he’s, the editor at non-profit technology news he’s, our regular tech contributor. We’re going to take a break, and when we come back, we’ll look at some packages in this arena for midsize organizations. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio stay with us. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, i’m new york state senator joe a dabo. I will be hosting a Job fair on friday, november 12 and aqueduct racetrack in queens, contending into three p m, we will have over one hundred companies looking for qualified workers. They’re all to be lectured on jobs, try to jeez and networking. 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Welcome back to the show i’m with our tech contributor expert scott koegler, the editor at non-profit technology news. Scott um, why don’t we talk some about some of the packages that are intended for slightly larger organization? Sort of mid size? I know quickbooks has as an entry here, right? Quickbooks is obviously an accounting application, and they have one version that they’ve put out, which is called intel into its quickbooks premier non-profit for two thousand eleven it’s obviously a couple of months ahead of time, but it incorporates a lot of the features, but probably many of our listeners are accustomed to and quickbooks being the premiere version it’s got latto interchange has the advanced functionality. It can produce financial statements, sales and sales tax reports and all those available on screen as well as to print, of course. Um, it’s it’s, inexpensive frankly it’s four hundred dollars, which is very well, well, twice for quickbooks premiere of any kind of quickbooks premiere, i believe, for general purposes is right around there for five hundred dollars. Um, but for for people that are used to using quickbooks, this is a natural migration for them to use it. To the non-profit okay, the interface it looks the same is identical. It has just the additional funds accounting portions, you know, give it a way we haven’t talked much about reporting. You alluded to it that reports are important, especially for the donor, but also maybe for auditors come tax time. What’s what’s the robustness of the reporting with this with this with into its quickbooks premiere well into its quickbooks reporting is one of the most flexible than i’ve ever seen and it’s really accessible to people who are not accountants. That’s been one of into its strength is ability, tio provided i don’t know something. I don’t know exactly how many reports they have pre built into the system, but i’m guessing that it’s probably a hundred or so every one of those could be modified and saved as a new report. So it’s really easy to generate reports they’re specific to your needs. Pacific two requests anybody on staff? Yes, directors, donors, whatever and how about support another another where we haven’t talked about yet? What typically is the level of support that user gets? Is itjust online, or is there a call call center? How? Does this generally work support? It varies from one provider to the next to go come anything to female support to online support in person and one of the things you’ll find that differentiates these applications from very small, very large. I’m just going to skip down to some of the larger ones just for reference here koegler mountain, open zsystems and blackbaud are some of the better known applications in non-profit world, and those generally have either onsite training and support or telephone support. So what you’re paying for that their annual support can sometimes amount to nearly as much as the cost of the application, so but the application is twelve hundred dollars twelve hundred dollars for years, probably more than what it really would cost, but probably five to six hundred dollars a year for personal support. But in some cases, you’re getting on sight, you said, right? Right, and those there generally more in terms of installation of training rather than day today question. Okay, but certainly support is something listeners wantto consider when they’re deciding which package is right for them because based on their expertise or lack of in accounting, absolutely you definitely want to have something it’s easy to use and familiar and that’s one of the things that the lower priced applications do provide. Okay, all right, so the quickbooks sounds like something that could be very good for people who are familiar with quickbooks. What’s another one for small and sorry midsize organizations for mid size will see we’ve got the open systems which this’s the open systems traverse and f p i guess an s p s we’re not for-profit i think you’re right now. This one, this one integrates with microsoft office, which makes a really nice you could export into excel directly. Scott, have you gotto have you got an office assistant who’s hungry there or he needs to go out, and i wish i could get way. Just have a minute and a half left. So he or she will be out very soon. Okay, go ahead. Tell us about open system’s. Broken systems. A little bit more expensive. Goes it around two thousand dollars. But it does include quite a few portions to a general ledger accounts payable and payroll dahna peril and it’s. Okay, right. So an organization that has a good sized staff particularly that needs paid her all that that works well for that kind of organization and what’s the numbers on the open systems travers and f p how much does that cost to get in? That starts in two thousand dollars and that’s for single user license. Okay, we’ll play zoho into a multi user. Which, again, for a larger organization, you definitely want to be able to add additional seats. Yeah, and it sounds like all or most of these are scalable. You’ve said a few times, right? Generally, the initial price is for a single user, and additional users are additional cost. Ok, let’s, go. We have to leave it there. And this fund accounting software round up. Thank you very much for joining us. We’ll have you back. Of course. Thanks a lot, tony. Have a great day. My pleasure. Thank you. That’s. Scott koegler are non-profit sorry. R are a software and technology contributor and expert. And he’s. The editor of non-profit technology news, which is at n p tech news. Dot com you want? Thanks, scott. Of course. And also want to thank john hicks, president ceo of j c geever for joining me today. Next week we’re going to talk about board fund-raising fire up your board fund-raising we will be joined by author and authority gail perry and gale is going to reveal proven techniques to motivate your board to step up to a very critical responsibility of theirs. 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