Welcome to Tony Martignetti nonprofit Radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host and the pod father of your favorite abdominal podcast. It’s July, it’s nonprofit radio. You’ve got the live music and that can only be, it’s our 7/100 show and 14th anniversary jubilee. All right. Amazing. Here’s our associate producer, Kate with what’s coming for show number 700. Hey, Tony, your co-host is Claire Meyerhoff and she’s got Claire’s quiz. Tony’s take to trivia time. We’ve got much more live music from Scott Stein. Our contributors, Gene Taghi and Amy Sample Ward are here and our two sponsors will join in Eric Tamales from Virtuous and Jenna Lynch from Donor box. It’s fun and music and celebration and gratitude. We’re sponsored by virtuous, virtuous gives you the nonprofit CRM fundraising volunteer and marketing tools. You need to create more responsive donor experiences and grow, giving, virtuous.org and by donor box, outdated donation forms blocking your supporters, generosity, donor box. Fast, flexible and friendly fundraising forms for your nonprofit donor box.org. Thank you very much Kate Cla Meyerhoff. Welcome Tony Martignetti. It is so nice to see you again and I cannot believe that this is the seventh show and the 14th jubilee, even the queen didn’t have 14 jubilee. Thank you. Thank you. Let me give you a proper introduction. Of course, our creative producer at nonprofit Radio uh and president of the Planned Giving Agency. Uh You’ve got decades of media experience including WTO P in Wash DC and Sirius. And uh of course, your company is the PG Agency, the Planned Giving Agency at EG agency.com. So good to see you, Claire, something like that. Yeah, it’s great to see. Great to see you too. Can I tell you a little bit about the exciting things I’ve been doing? You can tell us about absolutely what’s going on in life. Well, for many years, I attended this wonderful Plan Giving conference, one of my favorites in the whole country, the Carolina’s Plan Giving conference at Kuga, which is just a cool conference because it’s held at this camp and it’s really casual and the best people attend. And this year I was elevated to the committee. So I helped plan programming. I did a lot of marketing and I was really involved with the Carolina Planned Giving Conference and I’m doing so again next year and it is just the best. If you want to learn more about it. It’s Carolina’s Land Giving conference.org. I live in, I live in North Carolina that’s included in the Carolinas. Right. Absolutely. Yes, you need to come. Ok. Is it I don’t know where Cayuga, it’s, it’s in the mountains of North Carolina, near Hendersonville, North Carolina, which is near Asheville. North as it’s beautiful. It’s just the most beautiful setting. So relaxing and just a great place. If you love planned getting, then you should come to Canoga Tony. Ok. Cool. Uh, right here. Right. Well, I wouldn’t say my backyard about a five hour drive, but, uh, close enough. Thank you for sharing. And, um, I wanted to, uh, just remind folks and, and may probably you too or maybe not. Maybe you remember that. Uh, your first time on nonprofit radio was show number two really single digit show. Show number two, which was on July 23rd, 2010. And you and I talked, you and I talked about storytelling and jargon and, and you gave me the fabulous idea for Jargon jail. Jargon jail. I love jargon jail, which has survived these whoa, these 14 years jargon jail. Still putting, still putting, uh, scofflaw guests into Jargon jail when, when it’s required when it’s required. Yes, GG is holding up his hands, wrist to wrist rit cuff. And I think the first, uh, the first, first person to be confined first, uh, term to be confined to Jargon jail was probably capacity building that may have done it, may very well, that may very well have done it. Absolutely. Um, let’s bring in, uh, let’s bring our friend, uh, Scott Stein in Scott from Brooklyn New York, welcome. Hello, Tony. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Always a pleasure to have you for the anniversary shows, Scott. Thank you. Uh, Scott Stein, pianist, songwriter, thank goodness, songwriter. Otherwise we wouldn’t have any theme music. So grateful for that. Uh, and music director, you’ll find him at Scott Stein music.com and on Facebook, Twitter X Instagram and youtube. He’s Scott Stein music. Yes. You’ve got some gigs coming up, uh, a couple of gigs coming up in August. I see. Um, at Scott Stein music.com. Yeah, I’ll be doing, um, I’ll be performing as part of a community concert series here in Brooklyn called Operation Gig, which, uh, began during the pandemic. It began summer of 2000. Um, it was a series of outdoor concerts to employ the many musicians who live in that neighborhood and around Neigh neighborhood and it was so popular that it’s continued. Uh, so I’m excited because I’m gonna be teaming up with my old songwriter part or, excuse me, my old songwriting partner, Mia Byrne who is, uh, just moved back to New York after years on the west coast. Uh, we were in a band called The Ramblers for many years and co-wrote a lot of their songs. So that’s gonna be real cool. Uh, she had a great record that just came out last year. Um, and so probably to play some tunes off of there. And, um, yeah, and then I, I mean, I, I work with a bunch of different artists as a side man. So, I’ve, I’ve got a few here and there and um I’m gonna be up at the uh on the other end of uh what I do professionally. I’ll be at the North American Jewish Choral Festival as a clinician this year because I’m also a choral conductor because why do just one thing? And uh so it’s gonna be a busy summer. Um And uh just had a premiere of a work that I wrote about two weeks ago. So, uh more in the formal composition world. So, uh yeah, just lots of, lots of, lots of different stuff going on right now. What does a coral clinician do? Ah, so for this particular festival, uh, one of the things that they do is they group all of the attendees into what they call instant ensembles. So they create choirs, new choirs from all the people who are there. And so I’m gonna be conducting one of those four ensembles this year. And, uh, and then there’s a big concert at the end of the festival and, uh, it’s up in Tarry Town. So just outside the city. Yes, Westchester Tarry Town. All right, cool. Yeah, I’m glad you’re with us, Scott. Thank you. And, uh, Scott, uh, you’ll be doing three songs for us today, including, of course, the theme music. Cheap Red Wine, of course. And sample Ward. How are you? I’m good. I can when you were saying, you know, Claire, uh even remembering or maybe you had this written down and you checked your notes, but I’ll give you the credit of saying you remember because you remember everything, remembering. Um Episode two, Claire’s first time I was like, I, I believe the first time I was on was episode 100 right? And I don’t remember anything about what I said. So, ok, I don’t know what you said. I don’t know what we talked about. It was probably at that time, you were the social media contributor and then you kind of morph to social media and technology and now it’s technology which is, which is fine. It’s like uh John Cougar, John Cougar Mellencamp, John Mellencamp. Exactly. So you’re following and I’ll take, I’ll take this brilliant musician, well, and I, you know, maybe we could pontificate here that that’s a reflection of, of the sector and people over time feeling less hyper focused and, and distracted only by social media and thinking more generally about their technology and, and digital communications, you know, together. Um because you and I have brought them strategic advice for so long that they are listening to us and they are taking it all in. This is why you’re an author of multiple books because you see the bigger you see the bigger picture I just sent you show and, and explain how your, your contribution morphed but you see the bigger, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Uh because at the time 2010, this was your first show was absolutely right. Show number 100 it was uh July 13th of 2012. And yeah, I mean, social media, Facebook, we were still, we were still pursuing Facebook likes like us on Facebook, like us and they donate to us on Facebook. Donation was new. So, uh and all the sparkly shiny new objects that came along through over many years. And then I think we uh we let them tarnish on the shelf and put them in their place. People got smart and realized that the newest thing is not where they need to be every single time because there’s gonna be too many new things for us to pursue. And uh and now it’s artificial intelligence, largely not, not completely, not entirely of course, but artificial intelligence dominating the news. So makes sense that you would be uh devoted to technology for us. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, it’s, it’s funny the way things come, come back around uh the same or come back around differently like a game of telephone. You know, like I think about those early so much of the time, especially in the context of, of nonprofit radio and thinking about fundraising and revenue supports for organizations and kind of strategy around sustainability, you know, trying to kind of get the idea out there that whatever you’re investing in these other platforms isn’t investing in yourself, you’re you’re giving Facebook, the content to make Facebook, you know, and now, and now with a, now we know what the, what the hell they do with it too. Everything, everything you’ve given over, uh, they sell it. They, yeah, you, you are there. We, we’ve talked about this, you are their product, you are their product. Your data is their commodity and now they can sell you their fancy A I tools back to you that they held off of all of your free content. And hopefully you keep putting content into that A I tool and keep, keep feeding that machine. You know, um I’m sure you have the comments about this, but I feel like that’s so much now of, of conversations that I’m in are places where I’m invited to. You know, people are saying, oh gosh, we have a lot of A I questions. Could you come? And I feel like all that I do is, you know, slap it out of your hands and play a sad trombone. Like this is not the party you think it is? Let’s be really, we have to be really thoughtful. It’s not that you can’t use A I or shouldn’t be having these conversations, but it’s just like those early days where, oh, we could have a Facebook page. I guess we should have 10, we could have a page on every social media platform there is, I guess we should do it. I guess we should do it shouldn’t be your tech strategy. You know, I like that. Let, let’s bring Scott in. I’m sorry, let’s bring Gene in Gene Takagi. Our legal contributor, Principal of Neo, the nonprofit and exempt organization’s law group. He edits that wildly popular nonprofit law blog.com and is a part time lecturer at Columbia University. Welcome back, Gene. So good to see you. Awesome to be here and celebrate with you and, and with all the gang. Yes. And I’m glad we got you while you’re on the road. Yeah, in Boston today. For, for, for some work stuff going to DC tomorrow. Um, and, uh, eventually back to San Francisco. But, uh, yeah, nice to be on the east coast. It’s warm though. Your east coast run. Yes, it is. Yes. You’ve, uh, you’ve come to the east coast in a, in a warm time. Um, if your, if your work ever brings you to North Carolina, of course, you need to let me know. I’ve never been, so I’d love to go someday. Oh, my gosh. You gotta come to the beach. Well, maybe for next year’s jubilee, you could host all of us, Tony. We were thinking about, I was thinking about a studio gig for the 750th show. Uh, a beach, a beach show we could do. I’m sure Claire would come up with a beach theme for us. We totally do that. All right. All right. We may be together for the 7/50 we’ll see, we’ll see about that gene. What’s been going on? What, what’s, uh, what’s the stuff that, uh, folks are talking to you about? Um, so I got a few things happening this summer that, that should be fun. I’m talking, um, to the State Bar of Texas, uh, uh, on, it’s called the state of the economy, um, and how that affects nonprofits, but I kind of have a view on the economy being a lot of different things all at once. Um So it’s strong, it’s in transition, it’s uh uncertain, it’s uneven and it’s beyond what anybody’s uh prepared for. So, um I have a lot to say about that. Um And that should be fine. I’ve never been to Austin before. So that will be my first time in Austin uh this uh August and then in September, I’m doing something for the Stanford Social Innovation Reviews Nonprofit Management Institute. I get to speak on one of my favorite subjects and that’s kind of on climate change and why that should be something every nonprofit should be thinking about Stanford Social Innovation Review. I have a little funny story about that. Uh The, the editor there is named Eric uh Eric Nee nee and I saw uh now this is a Stanford Social Innovation Review. S si r very prominent online and I don’t know if they’re still print but very prominent uh outlet uh for, for uh smart thinkers like Gene Takagi. Um And I saw Eric Nee, the editor of this prominent uh channel uh in his uh uh in his bathrobe outside his house. I was, it was unbelievable. I was on a, I, I had visited my uncle who lives in Half Moon Bay, California outside San Francisco. And uh I was on a shuttle, one of the shared shuttle rides to the airport sfo and so we make different stuff scheduled, uh people scheduled stops. So the stops are all in neighborhoods at people’s homes, pick them, you know, like a like in a shared that kind of shared ride, not at, at malls and one of the homes we stopped at was right across the street from Eric Knee. Now, I don’t know this and I was sitting by the window. So I look out and there and there’s the guy coming out, he’s picking up his, it was a weekend picking up probably his Sunday paper. It was probably, let’s say it was a Sunday and he’s in a bathrobe and I’m thinking that’s Eric Nee from the to he’s in his, he’s in his bathrobe and his slipper, he’s picking up his uh what’s the, what’s the, what’s the San Francisco Chronicle, let’s say right? Isn’t that the San Francisco paper gene? Is that a, it is OK. He’s picking up his chronicle. It’s laying out there, you know, not the side because the paper boy throws it at the, it’s a little community throws it at the end of his sidewalk and, and he, and sure enough. So I email him but like within three minutes because I’m so excited. Uh, and sometime, sometime along that he got back to me and said, yeah, that was me, that was me because I knew, I knew the address where I knew the street we were at. And he said, yeah, that’s my house. I, yeah, you were across the street from my house. So I have the inside, uh, he has bony knees. I would have to say or, and, and not because his name is, last name is Knee. But, uh, he does have bony, uh, knees. Oh, it wouldn’t be nonprofit radio without Tony telling a story where everyone doesn’t know you didn’t have any idea. The story was coming. Doesn’t know what to do with the story. Once it’s been offered, this is proper. It’s not profit radio, timely. Topical. I hear you. Gene. Thank you. I’m glad you’re Gene. I’m glad, I’m so glad you’re with us. Glad to go. I’m still stunned by all of this, but all right. Hey, Kate Martignetti, our associate producer. She’s a graduate of the American Musical and Dramatic Academy and now attending Rowan University in, uh, Glassboro, New Jersey. Her first show was number, 00, we’ll get to Jeans. Her first show was number 645. So she’s, uh, she’s our newest, newest addition to the family, which was on, uh, June 19th of, uh, last year. Good to see you Kate. Every week. Good to see you too. So, it may actually not the newest addition to the family already in the family. Predating nonprofit radio, the nonprofit radio, family of a non specific, but the Martignetti family, she’s been in the, she’s been in, in the Martinetti family for 21 years. 21. So. All right. All right. But, uh, any, any case, good to, good to see you, Kate. We, we see each other every, every Thursday night, Kate and I, uh, put to put together the show for uh Monday release. It’s all fun. Uh Gina, I gave you a little bit of short shrift. I, I wanna go back to you and, uh, just let folks know that you were also in, uh, your first show was also a single digit. You were, you were on your first show was show number seven. I remember it well, on August on August 27th of 2010. And we also had on that show, the, um, the New York Times reporter, Stephanie Strom back when, back when big time newspapers had nonprofit beats, which no longer haven’t existed for a long, long time. But Stephanie was on and, uh, um, and that was your first show number seven. It was awesome. He came down to San Francisco to, to visit with me too. I did after not long after, uh, that was a different visit to San Francisco. Not the one where I saw, uh, Eric Knee’s Knees but a different visit is when, uh, you and I, uh, you and I got together with, uh, your, your associate, the woman who was the associate in your firm at the time. Emily Chan, Emily, Emily Chan. That’s right. You used to do the show. Uh, you would do the contributions together. Well, I’m grateful to each of you for, for, uh, of course, being here for the 7/100 anniversary jubilee celebration. Uh But also for the contributions you make uh routinely the nonprofit radio. I really am. I really am grateful. Um Thank you. Thanks for putting up with us for all these years, Tony. I love it. I love it. It’s, it’s an absolute labor of joy, Claire. You’ve got some, uh you’ve got, uh we’ve got Claire’s quiz this week. I, I have a quiz. I have worked up uh a number of questions that I think uh everybody can enjoy the questions and answers to. I have one rule. Uh When I ask the question, anyone can raise their hand and I will call on the person I want to call on because this is not a democracy. It is my question. Just so our very first question uh Harkens back to something. The lovely Amy Semple Ward said earlier on the October 18th 2013 show, Amys Ward discussed something that had plummeted. What was it? And Amy, you can, you’re eligible to answer this question. Could you say the date again, please? It wasn’t her first show. It was, uh, 2013, October 18th, 2013. Any simple word discussed something that had plummeted. What was it? What did they offer up? Something that plummeted? Mm. We just feel like the word plummeted is important to the answer, but it’s giving me nothing. I have no memory of this show. Ok. It was Facebook Reach had plummeted. Ah, so see, back then they changed the algorithm, right? And, and Facebook reach plummeted which really affected nonprofits. They were all like, oh yes, we had such great reach and no, we don’t. That’s when they introduced the, the promoted posts and the pay to get your reach back up. Oh, all right. 2013. Wow. OK. Second question. Everyone can answer the first one, the first one for one. So our second question everyone can answer except Scott Stein. According to Scott Stein, he gets comparisons to this artist most often Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Billy Joel or Tiny Tim Bruce Springsteen, Elton John. Billy Joel. Tiny Tim. Who wants to answer Gene? I’m gonna go with Billy Joel. Oh, you would be wrong. Oh, next, that was my guess. Next Bruce Springsteen, Elton John are tiny. Tim is tiny, Tim, an artist. Oh, believe you me. Like I need to hip toe through the tulips. I would say that if it’s not if it’s not Billy Joel, uh I would say Elton John. Yes, that would be the correct answer. That Scott Steiner, that’s the comparison he gets most often out of those. I would say Billy Joel is a pretty darn close second though because there’s new piano players. Most people know. I think Elton John’s not a New Yorker. Technically neither am I, I just don’t, oh, don’t tell anybody. You, you’re from, you’re from Ohio, right? Scott. I am. But I’ve been here 17 years. So, you know, kind of a New Yorker. Yeah, New York is not, uh, New York is not, uh, clubby. That way you have to be there 20 years to, to be considered, uh, from the place. It depends on who you ask. Brooklyn though. Brooklyn. You, you’re either born in here or, or you’re not a Brooklynite. Yeah. There you got, we got time for one more. Claire. Yeah, we got one more. This is a cute one. Ok. This five time guest has initials which are funny to a kindergartener. Five time guest. A kindergartner would think this is funny. His initials. These are good Claire. Can you tell us the topic that they might be a guest on? Well, he has written books, uh, he has written a book about media and nonprofits with, um, a lovely woman. I know from North Carolina co-wrote the book with him. He’s been on the guest. He’s not been on the show five times and his initials. It’s the same one each it’s the, it’s, it’s, it’s the same initial Peter P Panopo. Oh, Peter Pan Pan PP PPP. I was trying to come up with somebody that name with but, or something, you know, I think you gonna love that. I’m, I’m not in, I’m not in kindergarten but I think that’s hilarious. That’s a good 10, those are excellent. Claire. All right. All right. I got one. We got, we got, we got, well, we won for three. You one for three. Yeah, because we, we didn’t initially get the Scott Stein one. All right. One for three. All right, Scott Stein. Speaking of which, uh, Elton John, Billy Joel, eat your heart out. You’re not part of nonprofit radio. Uh, nor will either of you ever be. I, I’m not, I’m not speaking to either of those two artists. Uh, I don’t take calls from either Billy Joel or Elton John. Uh, but I always take calls from Scott Stein. Thank you. What are you gonna do for us? This first one, Scott. Um, I’d like to do a new song actually. Um, and it’s called, uh, it’s called Out of Order and, um, it’s just about how sometimes life happens the way you plan it, but usually it doesn’t and you learn to kinda take things as they come. This is my, this is my fatherly wisdom now that now that I got two kids, this public feels a little smaller than at sea, no matter how I try, I just cannot keep it clear. The clutters piling up on the kitchen. Oh, I just smile and laugh it off as best as I’m able. 20 years ago. I was a, I knew I had the answer. I knew I had a plan. The alarm is set where the kids are, um, little voices. A little and car funny happened. You trade your house of dreams for bricks and more. The herein long his ice cream days will come back around again. You’re the d I friend of call. And I always thought I’d had it all. Guess in what’s going down now, he’s moving to an apartment across town and I trade your house and here in long and they had this ice cream days come back around. Always used to say right, what you know, but I get the feeling that that should a long, long time ago and if horizon very often let it off, sometimes things are in and out of order. Some dreams lie over an imaginary. Yeah. But every day you turn, then you turn a little till your broken heart is bigger than any girl was before. Tree house. Tree here is and side screen treasure house here in the what? You know him? The come back around again. 00, wow, so nice. Thank you, Scott. Thank you. Love it. Scott. Will you join every conference call I have and just play musical interludes. It would, it would make long days on Zoom. So much more pleasant when you know, every 20 ish minutes take a brief moment and let Scott play a song for us. I thought you were gonna say like, have me be like the uh like the hold music, you know, or something. I mean, I’ll take what I can get, but I really did mean just like be on Zoom and you know, when there’s a lull, you just play a song. I think that’s an offering. I’ll write up a description for you. Cool. All right. That sounds good. That’s a, that’s a niche. I am willing to own. Hey, you got something for us. Yeah. So on each anniversary show, our sponsors get a few minutes to tell us about their company’s products. Here is Eric Tamales from Virtuous, pre-recorded with Tony. It’s a pleasure to have with us, Eric Tamales from virtuous uh a nonprofit radio sponsor which we are very, very grateful for Eric is Chief Evangelist and Director of Business Development for virtuous Eric. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for the virtuous sponsorship. So glad to have you on the on board. Thank you so much for having me, Tony and having us allow us to support the work you’ve been doing. We’re so excited for you on your 7th 100 show. And what, how long have you been doing it for 14 years? Thank you credible. So good. So good. Yeah, 2010, we started off, uh, when podcasting was small, it was small. Um Tell us, you know, listeners hear us week after week talking about uh, responsive fundraising that, that virtuous is, is, is, that’s a core to the, to the business, flush it out for us. What’s responsive fundraising? You know, it, it’s interesting. It’s, uh, responsive fundraising to, to us is our methodology that drives all of our technology and all the work that we do. Um And as you know, Tony, I’m a, I I joke about this a lot is a, I’m a recovering fundraiser. I’ve been spending the last 20 some years on the front lines working with nonprofit organizations inside the organization. And one thing that I always, it drove me insane about was having all these desolate systems that never once talked to one another. So like we would have run an event or a gala or whatever it might be and our database team would download that report and then upload it into our CRM and we have to hope and we wish that it actually talks to one another and that it has good data and clean data and can break the right name and number and whatever it might be. And what responsive is, is kind of the modern approach to all things that we’re used to that right now. And I think through in my own household, think of it like a Netflix model, right? Like inside one household, my wife and I, we have one Netflix account and I have my own persona underneath my Netflix and she has her own persona. And so when I finish stranger things, which I often do because I actually like that show. It’s my, I’m on my fourth time watching it. Netflix listens to what I previously watched and will suggest another series based on those preferences and my wife’s not seeing hers, right, seeing mine, she’s seeing her own. And so our donors want that same experience. And when we start merging it, melding our technology together to be able to be one, we have the ability to say, hey, someone just attended an event, let’s take them down that donor journey or someone who just donated for the first time online. Now they have a first time new donor welcome series or if they just volunteered, the system can actually grow with it. So the main idea, responsive is having all of our technology talk to one and but going through four basic premises of we want to listen, we want to connect, we want to suggest and we want to learn and that methodology informs all of the work that we do inside our technology. So the CRM, the online giving the email, marketing, the technology volunteer management, all of that talks to one another to help grow generosity for our nonprofit organizations. So let’s flush that out a little bit because listeners also hear us talk about uh the CRM fundraising, volunteer management, the marketing tools, resources. Um ho how does responsive fundraising work its way into, in, into each of the, or let’s start with the CRM? Because I think that’s, that seems to be the uh your lead. Well, and I, I think the CRM is, would be our home base, right? And so all the different pieces around it would be the marketing and the automation and the signals and all the different technologies that inherently go to the CRM and have a conversation there. So uh like I said, like this new donor welcome series, you know, someone makes a contribution online $25 right. Right. So it automatically goes through the online giving portal, it tags onto the record. But now the CRM and actually talk to the marketing side of saying, hey, maybe we should take someone down and like, well screen them, maybe we should well screen them and be thanked appropriately by the right person inside our office rather than our annual gift officer who’s always gonna say thank you to the $25 donors. Maybe this individual has huge income producing assets, maybe it’s an ultra high net worth individual that should be communicated to by our CEO. So now we’re having a personal connection at a pro an approach to be able to drive that generosity and the right person is talking to the right individual. How about on the volunteer management side? What what does that look like, so the volunteer management side, there’s a couple of different areas that we, we have, we operate because holistically, you know, this, I, I come from the boy scouts, I think, you know, volunteerism is the beginning of generosity, right? Like it leads into our donor and constituents and individuals. And so now our system has the ability to track the number of hours that folks are, you know, are, are volunteering for our organization. But we also have this mobilization do application where we can actually register on our phones and we can actually go and volunteer. And so now you’re utilizing automation to say if Tony volunteer, if any individual volunteers over 50 hours, it will notify our gift officer team. Or if they say, hey, maybe they volunteered five times, maybe they need to get a phone call from our volunteer manager to be able to say thank you, right? Like all those different things to be able to all talk to one another. I, I appreciate your uh background in boy scouts. I’m, I’m a proud eagle scout. All right. All right. You always say, I always say I am an eagle scout, not I was Eagle for life. All right. Thank you, Eric. Thank you so much for the virtuous sponsorship, Eric Tamales hailing from uh Pittsburgh P A. Thank you so much, Eric. Thanks for being with us. Thank you, Tony. We appreciate it. I am so grateful for that uh for the virtuous sponsorship and they do have a very comprehensive suite of products that are all inter uh interrelated working together as uh as Eric described Claire. Let’s play some more Claire’s quiz. Oh, I’m so glad you like my quiz. All right, here we go. I have a few questions that concerned one of my favorite guests on your show who is a personal friend of mine, who I consider a mentor and just an all around fabulous guy and his name is Doug White. So Doug White has been on the show more than once. Tony, how many times has Doug White been on Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio? Anyone can answer but why would they know? But Tony should know, I guess dad Tony really wants to get this right. I can tell by his look of concentration to who, who’s Doug White? No, I know exactly who Doug White is. Former Columbia University. Is it 55 five? Ok. So we’re staying on the Doug White theme. Doug White’s book, Abusing Donor intent. One family’s epic battle against which university Tony? I, I know Columbia. No, Doug Whites. Doug worked in Colombia. He was the professor. And on your show, one family’s epic battle against which university it’s against Princeton University. That’s Princeton. OK. Which was the family that went back to Princeton University said give us back your money. Our money was the family, the Daniels family, the Robertson family, the Blackwell family or the Partridge family. I could have got that without the multiple choice. It was Robertson. Very good, very good. Princeton. That’s right. It was Princeton. He worked at Columbia. So here is one more question and I’ll let everybody have a stab at answer. Somebody else answered when this family, which was a, um, a MP Eric family heir of the A MP fortune, the supermarket fortune. And they went, again, they went up against Princeton University to get this, this massive gift that they had given a long time ago. Get that back. Both sides racked up legal bills. What were the total legal bills do you think? And Gene, maybe you have a thought on this. What was the total legal bills for both sides for this epic epic battle? Gene? What do you think? Maybe were the total legal fees in cumulative for both sides? Gene? What do you think it might be? I’m gonna say 18 million who you wouldn’t even be close? Gene? It was over $80 million spent on just legal fees. I’ve got charge more in San Francisco, the arguably the most expensive city, the world country, country, at least 8, 80 80 million million in legal fees because Princeton, they lost the case and they had to pay the legal fees for the Robertson family and they paid them $40 million in legal fees and they had spent more than that. Princeton. Gosh, isn’t that something? So, anyhow, all right, I have a couple more questions and the only one who can answer. Well, actually this is just for Tony. Tony who introduced you to Scott Stein. Do you remember? Uh, of course, the, uh, his former roommate from college, the lawyer, uh, his initials are JB JB. Right. JB JB J, Scott. I don’t know. I forgot his name. I’ll let you do the honor. It was Josh Becker. Josh Becker. So, you’re real close. He, actually, he was my roommate when I moved to New York. He wasn’t my college roommate, but I wasn’t too far out of college. So that’s that we’ll give you that one. All right. Well, thank you. All right, Josh Beckett. Right? Because I, he had done some legal work for me around intellectual property. I was just trying to trade or not trademark. I was trying to copyright. I think the blog at the time when blogging was, was uh more popular. Um, and so I asked him that guy was looking for some good music because I was stealing music from, um, um, fried. Was it called Fried Green Onion? The Booker T and the MGS fried green onions, fried green onions or just green green onions by Booker T and the MGS Green Onions by Booker T. That was gonna be my next question to you, Tony. And I was, had a multiple choice. So I looked up other 1962 hits like the song Green Onions and we had roses are Red by Bobby Vinton. The Locomotion by Little Eva. If I had a Hammer by Peter Paul and Mary 1962. Wow. She’s Got You by Patsy Cline and Twisting The Night Away by Sam Cooke were all songs that were, that were very popular in 1962. The same, the same year as the inspiration song for Cheap Red one. Well, yeah, it right. It was our very first. That was, yes, I was stealing. I was stealing the song. Uh and then we initially, we were stealing it, but then I did try to, so I confess initially we were stealing it, but then I did try to find who owns the, the copyright to the song and it was very convoluted. There was an agency and then they said, no, they don’t have, it’s not theirs and I was trying to license the song from somebody, but it was, it was a big mess. Well, I could never, I never found anybody. Um And maybe Josh Becker was even trying to help me. He might have even been trying to help me find the the right because I felt bad about being a thief of intellectual property. It’s not, it’s not a great thing to do. Um But it was the early days of podcasting, we can excuse it. It was what, what do, what do, what do we call them youthful indiscretions? It was a youthful indiscretion. I, I was only 37. Um So I made that, I, I don’t know for sure where it was 2020 2010, 2011, somewhere around there. Um, so I think Josh may have been helping me Scott to find the right agency to pay and we couldn’t do it. Uh, and then he introduced me to you and right, he, he wrote to me and he said, do you have anything that sounds like this? And I said, well, I don’t know if I got anything that quite sounds, if you know the tune, it, it, it isn’t quite that I was like, but I got this thing. It’s kind of got the same beat, same tempo. Let’s you know what, what the heck. Here, here you go. You see if you like it. And uh the rest as they say is history. Do you remember the fried green onions uh tune? Are you able to? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Give us a few. It’s uh it’s uh right. It’s in a million movies. I really, really famous instrument from the early sixties. So Claire, we guessed one of your, oh, we get credit for guessing one of your next question. Next question. You did really? Well, give you some more questions. Do we have time for a few more? Um We do. Yes. OK. Uh This one’s about me. So uh Tony, when this, this is just for Tony, when the show was in the development stage, Claire talked Tony out of including a certain feature. What was it at the beginning? This was before we look, when we were, when we were developing the, um, you know, the clock and the, and the whole thing, this is when it was the Tony Martignetti show, which, which lasted only one week. And you talked to me out of that. Uh, yes, I believe I wanted to do live, uh, news, weekly news. Roundup. Cody wanted a news, wanted a news feature in each show, but I said, Tony, no, you can’t do news because you need each show to be more evergreen. And if you have that’s not evergreen, it’s gonna sound really old later on. Whereas most of your shows, if you listen to them years later, unless you’re talking about the pandemic or something like that, they’re not dated, they’re, they’re good shows. Ok. So what was, why is, why is Counsel from, from Claire Meyerhoff? I’m, I’m a professional. Save me, save me from myself. Yes, that’s why, why you brought me on board. So, ok, after this episode on August 2nd 2013, Claire talked Tony out of doing a new regular feature that he’d been doing. What was the topic that soured Claire, Tony? Uh uh wine, wine, it wasn’t wine, but you’re kind of close the fermentation that it wasn’t. Tony decided that he wanted to, to change up the show and said, I, I want to start bringing in people have nothing to do with nonprofits, talk about different things. And so we had a few people on and I was in studio for one of the bigger, you know, one of the anniversary shows we were in Sam’s studio, the one on the west side. And you had this fermentation guest and I sat there going and then I was like, hey, Tony, you know, I don’t know if the listeners want to hear about. I think you should stick with the awesome stuff that people are coming to you for that. You’re an expert on which is discussing nonprofit issues and topics. So once again, fermentation, save me from myself. Yeah, I thought, well, we’d bring in other topics because nonprofit professionals are multifaceted people and they have lives. And so I’ll just try to anticipate what they would be interested in. And the first guest was fermentation. And then, uh and then I, I had this, I feel bad about this. I had Santa Claus lined up. Exactly Claire. I had, I had a Santa Claus like a Macy’s Santa Claus. Santa Claus. This guy was more authentic than even Macy’s. I, I saw him on I 95 because I used to drive between North Carolina and New Jersey and he had like a sleigh on his van was made up like a sleigh. It was painted like a sleigh and I looked at the driver and it was Santa Claus and it was just as good as um Ed Gwynn who plays him on uh Miracle on 34th Street, the, the, the, the original, the classic one and Gwen Gwen, he looked just like the beer and everything. So I got the guy’s number off the side of his Slay Slay band and II I booked him on nonprofit radio. And after Claire helped me save myself, save me from myself with the fermentation guy whose name was Sandor Sandor. His, his name was Sandor Katz, but he used to call himself Sandor Kraut because sauerkraut is a f we heard it. I didn’t know. But so, so you, you called us, did you call Santa Claus and unbook him? I had to, of course, I’m not gonna just blow off Santa Claus. Santa Claus had like a nonprofit angle like that. Then you could have had him on the show because you should, you know, if, if Mr Mr Fermentation had had like a nonprofit angle, then I think that kind of thing would work. But this was somebody that just painted their van. I had a, I had a fundamental misunderstanding of podcasting, which was everybody will subscribe to the niche podcast that interests them. If they’re interested in fermentation, they’ll find a fermentation podcast. If they’re interested in crocheting or Needlepoint, you’ll find the Needlepoint podcast, uh et cetera. So I had a fundamental misunderstanding Claire saved me. Thank you again. That was a good one. That’s a fermentation show. I love that one. Sandor Kraut. OK. We have to move on. We, we had um Pony Pony Martin. Any fermentation radio with cheap. That’s awesome. I was waiting for that reference. I didn’t want to be the one to say it. I have to say real quick that Tony um your story about how you met somebody on the side of the road off an I 95. That’s not usually how that story ends as he comes on a podcast just putting that out there. So, consider yourself lucky. That’s great. Scott. Santa Claus could have been packing. I would have been in trouble. All right, Scott. Yes. Uh, very good gene. That’s very good. Um, Scott got another song for us. Sure. Uh, I did a record a couple of years ago which, uh, you very kindly gave me a chance to talk about when it came out an album called Uphill. And so I’m gonna do a song that was, uh, intended to be the second single, uh, off the record and then, well, we had a newborn at home and so that sort of took over, but this would have been the second single had I had enough brain cells to actually, uh, to promote it properly. Uh This is called a little longer outside of the trees. The grass where I played as a little side of the yard, the bushes, 1000 baseballs outside is the child that I was that I wish a little more than he did and stay here a little longer with you. Outside, there is progress. It’s made of steel. Outside, there is change upon change and things are changing too fast. And outside those who aren’t old enough to know for seeking this to shell and stay here a little longer with you outside. But outside those roads and those highways. Oh, wow. Because outside are the noise and the pros, the complications of life outside there is darkness but for those moments shining. Possibly. No, sir. Tell you about how you were always ready. Stay here a little longer with outside are the signs and the reminders of all things you used to love outside stars and the heavy skies, the day and outside of the dreams and all ever had and stay here a little longer with you. Thank you, Scott. Thank you. You played a song uh last year from Uphill you played. Um It’s, it’s a good life. I did. Yeah, I was that one. I remember I was trying to come up with one that I hadn’t done on the show yet from, from the, from that record. So there you go. Thank you. Thanks Scott Kate. You got something for us. It’s time for Jenna Lynch from our sponsor Donor Box to share how their products can help our listeners. Fundraising. Here’s her pre-recorded convo with Tony Jenna Lynch is the education and community engagement manager at donor box. Jenna. Welcome to the 7/100 show. And thank you so much for Donor Box’s sponsorship. Hey, Tony, congratulations. First of all, on the 7th 100 show. That’s amazing. And 14 years of nonprofit radio, we are so honored and proud to be able to sponsor the nonprofit radio and thanks for having me. Oh, it’s a pleasure. Um We talk week after week about how uh Donor Box is a partner that helps you raise funds both online and on location. Why don’t you flush that out for listeners? Sure. Yeah. So at Donor Box, we help fundraisers who lack sufficient time, resources and technology to really achieve that growth and sustainability for greater impact, which is so many fundraisers, right? There are so many fundraisers out there that are wearing so many different hats and just don’t have the resources. So uh that’s what we aim to do. So like generic fundraising platforms. Donor Box is really a comprehensive suite of tools and services and resources, right? So it’s not just the tech, it’s services and its educational resources that really empower fundraisers with a custom solution to help acquire and retain because that’s the important part, retain the donors that they have while raising funds online. And as you said on site. So uh so far, we’ve helped more than 80,000 organizations from all around the world raise over $2 billion in donations. Yeah, that 80,000 number. That’s incredible. But congratulations to you for 80,000. It’s remarkable. Um Let’s talk about the services a little bit flush that out because the tech is the I I’m not saying the tech is the same. Of course not. There are features that are specific to donor box and special, but say a little more about the service that that’s not so common. Sure. Yeah. So I’d say what truly and I’m biased, right? Because I’m the education and community engagement manager. But I think what really truly sets donor box apart is our commitment to supporting the growth of our nonprofit users. So yes, you have this amazing tech and an amazing suite of tools that you can use through donor box. But you’ve got to have a sustainable plan and those best practices set behind that tech, right? So we really believe in the human touch. And so that’s why we provide a range of resources to assist you. So, first of all, I have to give a shout out to our customer success team. They are amazing and they are so dedicated to our nonprofit success and you should see us behind the scenes when we see an organization raising $10,000 at the Gala, we are actually truly celebrating in our team chat, like, whoa, look at them, go, right. Um So they’re available 24 5 and even on the weekends and their response time is like 15 minutes. It’s amazing, right? So that’s one thing is you always have a, a group of people who are there to support you. But then we also offer fundraising coaching through our premium package. So we have a few different packages through donor box. We have our standard free plan and we have pro plans for those organizations who are looking to scale their impact. A little bit more with a more comprehensive suite of add ons and analytics and all that good stuff. And then we have our premium package which includes all those goodies, but also one on one fundraising coaching with our amazing fundraising coach Britain. Um So you get those one on one consulting sessions which isn’t usually cheap through individual uh consultants, right? Um So you get someone who walks alongside you in your fundraising journey and helps you as you’re aiming to grow. But we also host monthly free webinars. We post weekly articles in our nonprofit blog and we produce weekly episodes of the nonprofit podcast and our ethos here is we always give you a practical action to walk away with. We can talk about big concepts and things that feel important in the sector. But then we’re gonna pause and say here are three things you can do right now to implement this in your organization. So again, we’re here to walk alongside you in your fundraising journey and of course, help you learn how the tech works behind it as well. You mentioned Britain Britain Stocker was just on the show well, within the past month or so. Yes, Absolutely. So, all right, Jenna. Thank you. Thanks so much for uh elucidating. Go into a little more detail on uh on Donor Box. And again, thank you for the for the donor box sponsorship. Again. Congratulations and thanks for having me. Thank you, Jenna Jenna Lynch Education and community Engagement manager at Donor Box. I am grateful to uh Donor Box as well for their sponsorship. Claire. Let’s do our final round of Claire’s quiz. Tony take two trivia time. Ok. Well, I have, I have two final questions and um the first one is going to be a uh where it’s just for you, Tony and you’re gonna get one point for each one and if you get 10, you win a prize. So it has to do with Amy Sample Ward because I love, I love them. So Tony name it list at least six cities where you, you and Amy Sample Ward have recorded Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio at N 10 06 cities. It doesn’t have to just be, it’s just you and I have recorded, it’s been lots of places just, well, 22 are Portland. So I get Portland and Portland. Yeah. Yeah, but they count as one, but I’m acknowledging you two. Um, the one outside Washington DC. What would we call that? Is that Baltimore? The, the uh, the inner harbor. Uh No, no, not Baltimore. The um the big place outside Washington DC. Uh What, what’s that? Um, the gaylord. Gaylord. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the gay Lord George is Maryland. So that’s two. Number three actually. Uh, uh, was it, uh, San Antonio? No, it was Austin, Austin, Austin, Texas. Austin, because I think south by Southwest was coming right after us or before us before NTC. Mhm. Um, now I’m in trouble, uh, other places where NTC has you and Amy have recorded doesn’t have to be just, even if it wasn’t at the NT C. Oh, well. Oh, it was NTC. Of course, New York City, multiple, multiple shows with, uh, Sam in the studio in New York City. And, um, where was I last summer? I had to tune in from very far away. So we had to be together. You were in, uh, you were in Hamburg, close, correct country, Frankfurt, Berlin, almost Berlin, Berlin. Ok. So we’ll count cities where Amy has been. Ok. Ok. There’s, you missed DC proper DC. You missed San Jose. You miss New Orleans, you miss Denver, Tony Martin that I loved all those. That’s right. New Orleans DC. Oh, that’s right DC. Proper. The DC. Was that the DC Hilton, Hilton? Yeah. Yeah. Where they have the, uh, where they have the national correspondents dinner every night. You had staff, you had n 10 staff at, like every street corner. So that when we walked out of the hotel, they’d say, ok, walk out of the block and then that next person would shepherd us and now turn left. Ok. Now then, and then the next person would shepherd us one more block straight. You had somebody at every block. So to get us from the hotel to wherever, because we had, we had more, I think. Or, or something. Yes. And then I got New Orleans, of course. Uh, I love that. I stayed an extra couple of days and then Denver. Denver was just Denver just uh, two last year. Right? 2020. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Already forgotten. We have time for one more question. Don’t be harsh. Tony, do you want one or two more questions? Um Where are we? We got? All right. Do one more. Do one more. OK. And then Scott’s on. All right, in 2020 this man started a podcast called The Virtual Campfire. What is his name? I know it. What is it? Tony Martignetti? Yes. There’s another Tony Martignetti out there. Thankfully with a podcast, he’s been a guest. He was a guest on the show. Yeah, he was on uh two, I’d say a year and a half, two years ago or so. Thankfully, I’ve had savvy social media managers through the years. So I’ve got all the, I’ve got Tony Martignetti. You’ve got the seo on your name. All the good properties. I’m Tony Martignetti on Twitter X. I’m Tony Martignetti on Facebook. I’ve got all the good Gmail. I’ve got Tony Tony Martignetti, uh or Tony Martignetti at Gmail. Um I so thankfully I’m grateful to all my social media managers through the years who claimed uh properties. So this guy is locked out. He’s like, like Tony Martinet, I think he’s making a mistake on Twitter. He’s like, Tony Martinet won out the eye. Like, what’s, what’s the virtual campfire about? Oh, he’s a business coach. He’s a business kind of a business and, and personal coach, I think intertwined, intertwined, no fermentation highlights or anything. No, he, he’s not, he’s, he’s not that Savvy. He’s not that or if he goes in that direction, he doesn’t have Claire Meyerhoff to help to save him from himself. I still, because he doesn’t have Claire Meyerhoff working with his podcast. I’ll save any Tony Martignetti podcast out there. Oh, you can’t. No, you have to be loyal to this one. All right. Um So on Twitter, he’s like Tony Ma rt Igne tt one, Tony, who’s gonna, who’s gonna notice that difference beat Tony Martin at three or something that people are gonna notice that don’t, don’t hide the difference. You gotta flaunt it otherwise. And I do get a lot of his tweets and a lot of his, I, I stopped, I stopped forwarding them. OK, Scott. Everybody knows what you’re gonna do from your, from your 2009 album. A jukebox. You have to do Cheap Red Wine for us. A song about fermentation. The joke’s already been done, but it’s called a Callback. Let’s call back next year. What a fermentation song. This one’s for I 95 Santa Claus. The baby is just gave my target. Sooner or later I’ll figure out as to what you need. You’re singing romantic advice from a billboard. I’m looking for hands them on the TV screen and we nothing tailor up from down. We other baby at this use if I’m a charming, but I can’t figure out how and you said you thought I was handsome but it doesn’t matter now. So as long as you can, I got ready promises of the now you know, some girls that just live in diamonds and they won’t talk of the kind of clothing that I wear belong to B for the good stuff and go to, we try to do it the opposite. Do the best that I can. You have some competition and I’m a wealthier man you use if I’m a charming, but I can’t figure out how now the then from a your time promises now is a days the other be can kiss our ass have last of three signs because we’re perfect for each other. As long as we nobody else in my use if I’m a charming, but I can’t figure out how never mind it don’t matter. Now you keep falling from A P. It’s on your time. The promise. Oh. Mhm. Fantastic Scott. Thank you. Thank you and thank you Josh Becker for bringing Scott and Me together. You’ll find him at Scott. Stein music.com Scott. Thanks so much. My pleasure. It’s time for me to say thank you to everybody and farewell. I’m grateful I am. I get Misty here. I’m grateful for each of your contributions to the show. 700 shows strong. 1414 years podcasting. We’ve been around a while and uh we’re not going anywhere. So a week, 14 years, thank you. Thanks to each of you for what you’ve uh contributed to the show, which is helping nonprofits small and small and mid size shops, the other 95% right? We’re all helping that part of the, the nonprofit community. So I thank you on their behalf and, and for myself. Thanks to each of you. Thanks so much. Thanks Tony. Thanks for being such a champion for the sector. It’s always a pleasure. Thank you. Thanks everybody, Kate. Why don’t you take us out if you missed any part of this week’s show? I beseech you find it at Tony martignetti.com. We’re sponsored by virtuous, virtuous, gives you the nonprofit CRM fundraising volunteer and marketing tools. You need to create more responsive donor experiences and go giving, virtuous.org and by donor box, outdated donation forms blocking your supporters, generosity, donor box, fast, flexible and friendly fundraising forms for your nonprofit donor. Box.org. Our creative producer is Claire Martin. I’m an associate producer, Kate Marinetti. The show so is in Chavez Marksman, our web guide. This is Glorious live music by Scott Stein. Thank you for that affirmation. Scotty be with us next week for nonprofit radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the 95% go and be great.