700th Show!

Tony MartignettiHello and welcome to Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio, big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I'm your aptly named host and the podfather of your favorite hebdomadal podcast. It's July. It's Nonprofit Radio. You've got the live music, and that can only mean one thing. It's our 700th show and 14th anniversary jubilee. Woo! All

Claire Meyerhoffright. Amazing.

Tony MartignettiHere's our associate producer Kate with what's coming for show number 700.

Kate MartignettiHey, Tony. Your co-host is Claire Meyerhoff. And she's got Claire's quiz, Tony's Take Two Trivia Time. We've got much more live music from Scott Stein. Our contributors Gene Takagi and Amy Sample Ward are here, and our 2 sponsors will join in, Eric Tomalis from Virtuous and Jena Lynch from DonorBox. It's fun and music and celebration. And gratitude. We're sponsored by Virtuous. Virtuous gives you the nonprofit CRM, fundraising, volunteer, and marketing tools you need to create more responsive donor experiences and grow giving. virtuous.org. And by DonorBox. Outdated donation forms blocking your supporters' generosity? DonorBox. Fast, flexible, and friendly fundraising forms for your nonprofit. donorbox.org.

Tony MartignettiThank you very much, Kate. Claire Meyerhoff, welcome.

Claire MeyerhoffTony Martignetti, it is so nice to see you again, and I cannot believe that this is the 7th show and the 14th jubilee. Even the Queen didn't have 14 jubilees.

Tony MartignettiAbsolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Let me give you a proper introduction. Of course, our creative producer at Nonprofit Radio and president of the Planned Giving Agency. You've got decades of media experience, including WTOP in Wash, D.C. and Sirius. And of course, your company is the PG Agency, the Planned Giving Agency at pgagency.com. So good to see you, Claire.

Claire MeyerhoffSomething like that. Yeah, it's great to see— great to see you too. Can I tell you a little bit about the exciting things I've been doing?

Tony MartignettiYou can tell us about— absolutely— what's going on in life.

Claire MeyerhoffWell, for many years I attended this wonderful planned giving conference, one of my favorites in the whole country, the Carolinas Planned Giving Conference at Kanuga, which is just a cool conference because it's held at this camp and it's really casual and the best people attend. And this year I was elevated to the committee, so I helped plan programming. I did a lot of marketing, and I was really involved with the Carolinas Planned Giving Conference, and I'm doing so again next year. And it is just the best. If you want to learn more about it, it's carolinasplannedgivingconference.org.

Tony MartignettiNow, I live in, I live in North Carolina. That's included in the Carolinas, right?

Claire MeyerhoffAbsolutely, yes. You need to come.

Tony MartignettiOkay, is it— I don't know where Cayuga—

Claire MeyerhoffIt's in the mountains of North Carolina near Hendersonville, North Carolina, which is near Asheville, North Carolina.

Tony MartignettiNear Asheville. Okay.

Claire MeyerhoffIt's beautiful. It's just the most beautiful setting, so relaxing, and just a great place. If you love planned giving, then you should come to Canuga, Tony.

Tony MartignettiOkay, cool. Right here, right? Well, I wouldn't say my backyard, about a 5-hour drive, but, uh, close

Claire Meyerhoffenough.

Tony MartignettiThank you for sharing. And, um, I wanted to just remind folks, and maybe probably you too, or maybe not, maybe you remember that your first time on Nonprofit Radio was show number 2.

Claire MeyerhoffReally?

Tony MartignettiSingle-digit show. Show number 2, which was on July 23rd, 2010.

Claire MeyerhoffWhoa.

Tony MartignettiAnd you and I talked about storytelling and jargon.

Claire MeyerhoffYes.

Tony MartignettiAnd you gave me the fabulous idea for Jargon Jail.

Claire MeyerhoffJargon Jail. I love Jargon Jail.

Tony MartignettiWhich has survived these— whoa, these 14 years. Jargon Jail. Still putting, still putting, uh, scofflaw guests into Jargon Jail when, when it's required. When it's required. Yes. Gene is holding up his hands. Wrists, wrists, wrists scuffed.

Claire MeyerhoffAnd I think the first, uh, the first person to be confined— the first, uh, term to be confined to Jargon Jail was probably capacity building.

Tony MartignettiThat may have done it. That may very well have done it. Absolutely. Um, let's bring in, uh, let's bring our friend, uh, Scott Stein in. Scott from Brooklyn, New York, welcome.

Scott SteinHello. Hello, Tony. Thanks for having me.

Tony MartignettiAbsolutely. Always a pleasure to have you for the anniversary shows, Scott. Thank you. Uh, Scott Stein, pianist, songwriter— thank goodness songwriter, otherwise we wouldn't have any theme music, so grateful for that— uh, and music director. You'll find him at Scott Stein Music dot com and on Facebook, Twitter X, Instagram, and YouTube. He's Scott Stein Music.

Scott SteinYes.

Tony MartignettiYou've got some gigs coming up, a couple gigs coming up in August. I see at Scott Stein Music dot com.

Scott SteinYeah, I'll be doing. I'll be performing as part of a community concert series here in. Brooklyn called Operation Gig, which began during the pandemic. It began summer of 2000. It was a series of outdoor concerts to employ the many musicians who live in that neighborhood and around the neighborhood, and it was so popular that it's continued. So I'm excited because I'm gonna be teaming up with my old songwriter partner— excuse me, my old songwriting partner Mia Byrne, who has just moved back to New York after years on the West Coast. We were in a band called the Ramblers for many years and co-wrote a lot of their songs. So that's going to be real cool. She had a great record that just came out last year. And so probably to play some tunes off of there. And yeah, and then I mean, I work with a bunch of different artists as a sideman. So I've got a few here and there. And I'm going to be up at the— on the other end of what I do professionally, I'll be at the North American Jewish Choral Festival as a clinician this year because I'm also a choral conductor, because why do just one thing? And so it's going to be a busy summer. And just had a premiere of a work that I wrote about 2 weeks ago. So more in the formal composition world. So yeah, just lots of, lots of, lots of different stuff going on right

Tony Martignettinow. What does a choral clinician do?

Scott SteinAh, so for this particular festival, one of the things that they do is they group all of the attendees into what they call instant ensembles. So they create choirs, new choirs from all the people who are there. And so I'm gonna be conducting one of those 4 ensembles this year. And, uh, and then there's a big concert at the end of the festival and, uh, it's up in Tarrytown, so just outside the city.

Tony MartignettiYes. Westchester, Tarrytown.

Scott SteinMm-hmm.

Tony MartignettiAll right, cool.

Scott SteinYeah.

Tony MartignettiI'm glad you're with us, Scott. Thank you. And, uh, Scott, uh, you'll be doing 3 songs for us today.

Scott SteinYes.

Tony MartignettiIncluding, of course, the theme music, Cheap Red Wine.

Scott SteinOf course.

Tony MartignettiAmy Sample Ward, how are you?

Amy Sample WardI'm good. I can't— when you were saying, you know, Claire, uh, even remembering, or maybe you had this written down and you checked your notes, but I'll give you the credit of saying you remember because you remember everything, remembering, um, Episode 2, Claire's First Time. I was like, I believe the first time I was on was episode 100, right?

Tony MartignettiAbsolutely.

Amy Sample WardAnd

Tony Martignettiyes,

Amy Sample WardI don't remember anything about what I said. So, uh, okay,

Tony MartignettiI don't know what you said. I don't know what we talked about. It was probably at that time you were the social media contributor.

Amy Sample WardYes.

Tony MartignettiAnd then you kind of morphed to social media and technology, and now it's technology. Which, which is fine. It's like John Cougar, John Cougar Mellencamp, John Mellencamp. Exactly. So you're following in—

Amy Sample WardI'll take, I'll take this.

Tony MartignettiBrilliant musician footsteps. Yes.

Amy Sample WardWell, and I, you know, maybe we could pontificate here that that's a reflection of, of the sector and people over time feeling less hyperfocused and distracted only by social media and thinking more generally about their technology and digital communications, you know, together, because you and I have brought them strategic advice for so long that they are listening to us and they are taking it all in.

Tony MartignettiThis is why you're an author of multiple books, because you see the bigger— you see the bigger picture. I just said on the show and explained how your contribution morphed, but you see the bigger, you know, yeah, absolutely right. Because at the time, 2010, this was your first show. Yeah, absolutely right. Show number 100. It was July 13th, 2012.

Amy Sample WardOh,

Tony Martignettiand yeah, I mean, social media, Facebook, we were still pursuing Facebook likes. Like us on Facebook. Like us.

Amy Sample WardRight. And even donate to us on Facebook.

Tony MartignettiYes. Donation was new. So, and all the sparkly, shiny new objects that came along through over many years. And then I think we—

Amy Sample WardWe let them tarnish on the shelf. Yeah. And put them in their place.

Tony MartignettiPeople got smart and realized that the newest thing is not where they need to be every single time because there's going to be too many new things for us to pursue. And, and now it's artificial intelligence, largely. Right. Not, not completely, not entirely, of course, but artificial intelligence dominating the news. So,

Amy Sample Wardyes,

Tony Martignettimakes sense that you would be devoted to technology for us.

Amy Sample WardYeah, yeah. And I, you know, it's, it's funny the way things come, come back around, uh, the same or come back around differently, like a game of telephone, you know. Like, I think about those early so much of the time, especially in the context of, of nonprofit radio and thinking about fundraising and revenue supports for organizations and kind of strategy around sustainability, you know, trying to kind of get the idea out there that whatever you're investing in these other platforms isn't investing in yourself. You're, you're giving Facebook the content to make Facebook—

Tony MartignettiYeah.

Amy Sample WardYou know?

Tony MartignettiAnd now we, and now with AI, now we know what the, what the hell they do with it too. Now everything, everything you've given over, they sell it. They, yeah. Yeah. You, you are their, we've, we've talked about this. You are their product. You are their product. Your data is their commodity.

Amy Sample WardAnd now they can sell you their fancy AI tools back to you that they built off of all of your free content. And hopefully you keep putting content into that AI tool and keep, keep feeding that machine, you know. I'm sure Gene has lots of comments about this, but I feel like that's so much now of conversations that I'm in or places where I'm invited to, you know, people are saying, oh gosh, we have a lot of AI questions, could you come? And I feel like All that I do is, you know, slap it out of your hands and play a sad trombone. Like, this is not the party you think it is.

Tony MartignettiYeah.

Amy Sample WardLet's be really— we have to be really thoughtful. It's not that you can't use AI or shouldn't be having these conversations, but it's just like those early days where, oh, well, we could have a Facebook page. I guess we should have one. Oh, we could have a page on every social media platform there is. I guess we should do it. I guess we should do it shouldn't be your tech strategy, you know.

Tony MartignettiAll right.

Claire MeyerhoffI like that.

Tony MartignettiLet, let's bring Scott in. I'm sorry, let's bring Gene in. Gene Takagi, our legal contributor, principal of NEO, the Nonprofit and Exempt Organizations Law Group. He edits that wildly popular nonprofitlawblog.com and is a part-time lecturer at Columbia University. Welcome back, Gene. So good to see you.

Gene TakagiAwesome to be here and celebrate with you and with all the gang.

Tony MartignettiYes. And I'm glad we got you while you're on the road.

Gene TakagiYeah, in Boston today for some work stuff, going to DC tomorrow and eventually back to San Francisco. But yeah, nice to be on the East Coast. It's warm though.

Tony MartignettiYour East Coast run. Yes, it is. Yes, you've come to the East Coast in a warm time. If your, if your work ever brings you to North Carolina, of course, you need to let me know.

Gene TakagiI've never been, so I'd love to go someday.

Tony MartignettiOh my gosh, you got to come to the beach.

Gene TakagiAwesome.

Amy Sample WardWell, maybe for next year's Jubilee, you could host all of us, Tony.

Tony MartignettiOh, we were thinking about this. I was thinking about a studio gig for the 750th show, a beach, beach show. We could do— I'm sure Claire would come up with a beach theme for us.

Claire MeyerhoffTotally do that.

Tony MartignettiAll right. All right. We may be together for the 750th. We'll see. We'll see about that. Gene, what's been going on? What's, what's the stuff that folks are talking to you about?

Gene TakagiSo I've got a few things happening this summer that should be fun. I'm talking to the State Bar of Texas on— it's called the State of the Economy and How That Affects Nonprofits. But I kind of have a view on the economy being a lot of different things all at once. So it's strong, it's in transition, it's uncertain, it's uneven, and it's beyond what anybody's prepared for. So I have a lot to say about that, and that should be fun. I've never been to Austin before, so that'll be my first time in Austin this August. And then in September, I'm doing something for the Stanford Social Innovation Reviews Nonprofit Management Institute. I get to speak on one of my favorite subjects, and that's kind of on climate change and why that should be something every nonprofit should be thinking about.

Tony MartignettiStanford Social Innovation Review. I have a little funny story about that. Uh, the, the editor there is named Eric, uh, Eric Nee, N-E-E. And I saw— now this is the Stanford Social Innovation Review, SSIR, very prominent online, and I don't know if there's still print, but very prominent, uh, outlet For smart thinkers like Gene Takagi. And I saw Eric Nee, the editor of this prominent channel, in his bathrobe outside his house. I was— it was unbelievable. I was on a— I had visited my uncle who lives in Half Moon Bay, California, outside San Francisco. And I was on a shuttle, one of the shared shuttle rides to the airport, SFO. And so we make different stops, scheduled, people schedule stops. So the stops are all in neighborhoods at people's homes, pick them, you know, like a shared, that kind of shared ride, not at malls. And one of the homes we stopped at was right across the street from Eric Nee. Now, I don't know this, and I was sitting by the window, so I look out. And there's the guy coming out. He's picking up his— it was a weekend, picking up probably his Sunday paper. It was probably, let's say it was a Sunday, and he's in a bathrobe. And I'm thinking, that's Eric Nee from the Stanford Social Innovation Review. He's in his bathrobe and his slippers picking up his, what's the San Francisco Chronicle, let's say, right? Isn't that the San Francisco paper, Gene? Is that a—

Gene TakagiIt is.

Amy Sample WardOkay.

Tony MartignettiHe's picking up his Chronicle. It's laying out there, you know, at the side because the paperboy throws it at the It's a little community. Throws it at the end of his sidewalk. And sure enough, so I email him within 3 minutes because I'm so excited. And sometime along the way, he got back to me and said, yeah, that was me. That was me. Because I knew the address. I knew the street we were at. And he said, yeah, that's my house. Yeah, you were across the street from my house. So I have the inside. He has bony knees, I would have to say. And not because his last name is Knee. But he does have Boney K-N-E-E-S.

Amy Sample WardOh, it wouldn't be nonprofit radio without Tony telling a story where everyone doesn't know. You know, didn't have any idea the story was coming. Doesn't know what to do with the story once it's been offered. This is proper.

Tony MartignettiIt's germane, relevant, timely, topical.

Amy Sample WardYes, I hear you.

Tony MartignettiGene, thank you. Gene, I'm glad. I'm so glad you're with us. Glad to go down.

Gene TakagiI'm still stunned by all of this. But thank you, Tony.

Tony MartignettiAll right. Kate, Kate Martignetti, our associate producer. She's a graduate of the American Musical and Dramatic Academy and now attending Rowan University in Glassboro, New Jersey. Her first show was number— oh, oh, we'll get to Gene's. Her first show was number 645. So she's a— she's our newest. Newest addition to the family, which was on June 19th of last year. Good to see you, Kate. Every week.

Kate MartignettiGood to see you too.

Tony MartignettiOur associate.

Amy Sample WardBut maybe actually not the newest addition to the family. Already in the family predating nonprofit radio.

Claire MeyerhoffThe nonprofit radio family.

Tony MartignettiOf a nonprofit radio family. Be so specific.

Amy Sample WardBut the Martignetti family. Be so precise. You know, really since birth.

Tony MartignettiShe's been in the Martignetti family for 21 years. Yeah. 21. All right. All right. But any case, good to see you, Kate. We see each other every Thursday night. Kate and I put together the show for Monday release.

Kate MartignettiYeah, it's a lot of fun.

Tony MartignettiGene, I gave you a little bit of short shrift. I want to go back to you and just let folks know that you were also in a— your first show was also a single-digit You were, you were on your first show, was show number 7.

Gene TakagiI remember it well.

Tony MartignettiOn August, on August 27th, 2010. And we also had on that show the, the New York Times reporter Stephanie Strom, back when, back when big-time newspapers had nonprofit beats, which no longer haven't existed for a long, long time. But Stephanie was on and And that was your first show, number 7.

Gene TakagiThat was awesome. You came down to San Francisco to visit with me too.

Tony MartignettiI did. After, not long after. That was a different visit to San Francisco. Not the one where I saw Eric Knie's knees, but a different visit is when you and I, you and I got together with your associate, the woman who was the associate in your firm at the time.

Gene TakagiYeah, Emily Chan.

Tony MartignettiEmily, Emily Chan. That's right. You used to do the show, you would do the contributions together. Well, I'm grateful to each of you for, of course, being here for the 700th anniversary jubilee celebration, but also for the contributions you make routinely to Nonprofit Radio. I really am grateful. Thank you.

Amy Sample WardThanks for putting up with us for all these years, Tony.

Tony MartignettiI love doing it. I love it. It's a, it's an absolute labor of joy. Claire, you've got some, uh, you've got, uh, we've got Claire's quiz this week.

Claire MeyerhoffI, I have a quiz. I have worked up, uh, a number of questions that I think, uh, everybody can enjoy the questions and answers to. I have one rule. Uh, when I ask the question, anyone can raise their hand, and I will call on the person I want to call on because this is not a democracy. It is my question. Okay. So our very first question, uh, hearkens back to something the lovely Amy Sample Ward said earlier. On the October 18th, 2013 show, Amy Sample Ward discussed something that had plummeted. What was it? And Amy, you can— you're eligible to answer this question.

Tony MartignettiCan you say the date again, please?

Claire MeyerhoffIt wasn't her first show. It was, uh, 2013, October 18th, 2013. Amy Sample Ward discussed something that had plummeted. What was it? What did they offer up? Something that plummeted. We just

Amy Sample Wardkind of feel like the word plummeted is important to the answer, but it's giving me nothing. I have no memory of this show.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay. It was Facebook reach had plummeted.

Amy Sample WardAh.

Claire MeyerhoffSo see, back

Amy Sample Wardthen they changed the algorithm,

Claire Meyerhoffright? And Facebook reach plummeted, which really affected nonprofits. They were all like, oh

Amy Sample Wardyes,

Claire Meyerhoffwe had such great reach and now we don't.

Amy Sample WardSo that's when they introduced the Promoted posts and the pay to get your reach back up. Sure.

Tony MartignettiOh, all right. 2013. Wow.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay. Second question.

Tony MartignettiAll right.

Claire MeyerhoffEveryone can answer except—

Amy Sample Wardwe failed the first

Tony Martignettione.

Claire MeyerhoffFailed the first one.

Tony MartignettiRoll for one.

Claire MeyerhoffInteresting. So our second question, everyone can answer except Scott Stein. According to Scott Stein, he gets comparisons to this artist most often: Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Billy Joel, or Tiny Tim? Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Billy Joel, Tiny Tim. Who wants to answer? Gene?

Gene TakagiI'm gonna go with Billy Joel.

Claire MeyerhoffOh, you would be wrong. Oh, next.

Tony MartignettiThat was my guess.

Claire MeyerhoffNext. Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, or Tiny Tim?

Amy Sample WardIs Tiny Tim an artist?

Scott SteinOh, believe you me.

Claire MeyerhoffYeah, like Tiny Tim.

Scott SteinTiptoe Through the Tulips.

Gene TakagiI

Tony Martignettiwould say then if it's not, if it's not Billy Joel, I would say Elton John.

Claire MeyerhoffYes, that would be the correct answer that Scott Stein made. That's the comparison he gets most often out of those.

Scott SteinI would say Billy Joel's a pretty darn close second though, because those are the piano players most people know, I think.

Amy Sample WardYeah.

Gene TakagiElton John's not a New Yorker.

Scott SteinTechnically, neither am I. Just don't— oh, don't tell anybody.

Tony MartignettiYou're from Ohio, right, Scott?

Scott SteinI am, but I've been here 17 years, so

Claire Meyerhoffkind of a New Yorker.

Tony MartignettiNew York's not clubby that way. You have to be there 20 years to be considered from the place.

Scott SteinIt depends on who you ask. Brooklyn though, Brooklyn, you're either born in here or you're not a Brooklynite.

Claire MeyerhoffYeah.

Tony MartignettiThere you go. We got time for one more, Claire.

Claire MeyerhoffYeah, we got one more. This is a cute one. Okay. This 5-time guest has initials which are funny to a kindergartner. 5-time guest. A kindergartner would think this is funny, his initials.

Tony MartignettiThese are good, Claire.

Amy Sample WardCan you tell us the topic that they might be a guest on?

Claire MeyerhoffWell, he has written books. Uh, he has written a book about media and nonprofits with, um, a lovely woman I know from North Carolina co-wrote the book with him. He's been on the guest— he's been on the show 5 times. And his initials—it's the same one each. It's the it's it's it's the same initial.

Tony MartignettiPeter P. Panepento.

Claire MeyerhoffPeter Panepento.

Tony MartignettiPPP. PP.

Amy Sample WardI was trying to come up with somebody whose name was B U T or something, you know.

Claire MeyerhoffInitials are PP. He's gonna love that.

Scott SteinI'm not in kindergarten, but I think that's hilarious. That's hilarious.

Tony MartignettiThat's a good one. Oh, those are excellent, Claire. All right.

Claire MeyerhoffAll right. I got one.

Tony MartignettiSo what did we get? We got, we got, were we 1 for 3?

Claire MeyerhoffYou're 1 for 3.

Tony MartignettiYeah, because we, we didn't initially get, uh, the Scott Stein one. All right, 1 for 3. All right, Scott Stein, speaking of which, uh, Elton John, Billy Joel, eat your heart out. You are not part of Nonprofit Radio, and nor will either of you ever be. I'm not, I'm not, uh, speaking to either of those 2 artists. I don't take calls from either Billy Joel or Elton John, but I always take calls from Scott Stein.

Scott SteinWell, thank you.

Tony MartignettiWhat are you going to do for us this first one, Scott?

Scott SteinI'd like to do a new song, actually, and it's called Out of Order. And it's just about how sometimes life happens the way you plan it, but usually it doesn't. And you learn to kind of Take things as they come. This is my this is my fatherly wisdom now that now that I got two kids. This apartment feels a little smaller than it seems. No matter how I try, I just cannot keep it. The clutter's piling up on the kitchen table. I just smile and laugh it off as best as I'm able. 20 years ago, life was a rock and roll band. I knew I had the answer. I knew I had a plan. When the alarm is ringing, Sit where the kids are already up. Little voices, little feet, and coffee cups. Ain't it funny how life happens out of order? You trade your house of dreams for bricks and mortar. Take the here and now along with the now and then. I'm going to be honest with you. Those ice cream days will come back around again. The other day I gave an old friend a call, the one I always thought had it all. Guess you never know what's going down. Now he's moving To an apartment across town. Ain't it funny how life happens out of order? You trade your house of dreams for bricks and mortar. Take the here and now along with the now and then. Those ice cream days will come back around again. They always used to say, write what you know. But I get the feeling that that ship has sailed a long, long time ago. And if there ain't another one on the horizon, let it all fade. Let it all fade. Sometimes things Ain't it funny how life happens out of order? Some dreams lie over an imaginary border. But every day you turn, then you turn a little more, till your broken heart is bigger than it ever was before. Ain't it funny how life happens out of order? Treasure house of dreams for boots and mortar. Take the here and now along with the now and then. Those ice cream days will come back around again. Ain't it funny how life happens out of order? Treasure house of dreams for boots and mortar. Treasure house of dreams for boots and mortar. Ah, oh wow!

Claire MeyerhoffSo nice.

Tony MartignettiThank you, Scott.

Claire MeyerhoffBeautiful.

Scott SteinOh, thank you.

Claire MeyerhoffLove it.

Amy Sample WardScott, will you join every conference call I have and just play musical interludes? It would, it would make long days on Zoom so much more pleasant when, you know, every 20-ish minutes, let's just take a brief moment and let Scott play a song for us.

Scott SteinI thought you were gonna say like, have me be like the, uh, Like the hold music, you know, or something.

Amy Sample WardI mean, I'll take what I can get, but I really did mean just like be on Zoom and, you know, when there's a lull, you just play a song.

Claire MeyerhoffI think that's an offering. I'll write up a description for you.

Scott SteinThere you go. Cool. All right. That sounds good. That's a, that's a niche I am willing to own.

Amy Sample WardYeah.

Tony MartignettiKate, you got something for us?

Kate MartignettiYeah. So on each anniversary show, our sponsors get a few minutes to tell us about their company's products. Here is Eric Tomalis from Virtuous, prerecorded with Tony.

Tony MartignettiIt's a pleasure to have with us Eric Tomalis from Virtuous, uh, a Nonprofit Radio sponsor, which we are very, very grateful for. Eric is Chief Evangelist and Director of Business Development for Virtuous. Eric, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for the Virtuous sponsorship. So glad to have you on board.

Eric TomalisThank you so much for having me, Tony, and having us— allow us to support the work you've been doing. We're so excited for you on your 700th show. And what— how long you've been doing it? For 14 years?

Tony MartignettiYes. Thank you.

Eric TomalisIncredible. So good. So good.

Tony MartignettiThank you. Yeah, 2010, we started off when podcasting was small. It was small. Tell us, you know, listeners hear us week after week talking about Responsive fundraising that Virtuous is— that's a core to the business.

Eric TomalisYep.

Tony MartignettiFlesh it out for us. What's responsive fundraising?

Eric TomalisYou know, it's interesting. Responsive fundraising to us is our methodology that drives all of our technology and all the work that we do. And as you know, Tony, I joke about this a lot, is I'm a recovering fundraiser. I've been spending the last 20-some years on the front lines working with nonprofit organizations inside the organization. And one thing that I always— it drove me insane about was having all these disparate systems that never once talked to one another. So like we would run an event or a gala or whatever it might be, and our database team would download that report and then upload it into our CRM. And we have to hope and wish that it actually talks to one another and that it has good data and clean data and can write the right name and number and whatever it might be. And what Responsiv is, is kind of the modern approach to all things that we're used to right now. And I think through in my own household, Think of it like a Netflix model, right? Like inside one household, my wife and I, we have one Netflix account and I have my own persona underneath my Netflix and she has her own persona. And so when I finish Stranger Things, which I often do because I actually like that show, it's my— I'm on my 4th time watching it. Netflix listens to what I previously watched and will suggest another series based on those preferences. And my wife's not seeing hers, right? Or seeing mine. She's seeing her own. And so Our donors want that same experience. And when we start merging and melding our technology together to be able to be one, we have the ability to say, hey, someone just attended an event, let's take them down that donor journey. Or someone who just donated for the first time online, now they have a first-time new donor welcome series. Or if they just volunteered, the system can actually grow with it. So the main idea of responsive is having all of our technology talk to one another. But going through 4 basic premises of we want to listen, we want to connect, we want to suggest, and we want to learn. And that methodology informs all of the work that we do inside our technology. So the CRM, the online giving, the email marketing, the technology volunteer management, all of that talks to one another to help grow generosity for our nonprofit organizations.

Tony MartignettiSo let's flesh that out a little bit because listeners also hear us talk about The CRM, fundraising, volunteer management, the marketing tools, resources. How does responsive fundraising work its way into each of these? Or let's start with the CRM because I think that seems to be your lead.

Eric TomalisWell, and I think the CRM would be our home base, right? Yeah. And so all the different pieces around it would be the marketing and the automation and the signals. And all the different technologies that inherently go to the CRM and have a conversation there. So like I said, like this new donor welcome series, you know, someone makes a contribution online, $25, right? Right. So it automatically goes through the online giving portal, it tags onto the record. But now the CRM can actually talk to the marketing side of saying, hey, maybe we should take someone down and like wealth screen them. Maybe we should wealth screen them and be thanked appropriately by the right person inside our office. Yeah. Rather than our annual gift officer who's always going to say thank you to the $25 donors. Maybe this individual has huge income-producing assets. Maybe it's an ultra-high net worth individual that should be communicated to by our CEO. So now we're having a personal connection, an approach to be able to drive that generosity, and the right person's talking to the right individual.

Tony MartignettiHow about on the volunteer management side? What does that look like?

Eric TomalisSo the volunteer management side, there's a couple different areas that we operate because holistically, you know this, I come from the Boy Scouts. I think, you know, volunteerism is the beginning of generosity, right? Like it leads into our donor constituents and individuals. And so now our system has the ability to track the number of hours that folks are, you know, are volunteering for our organization. But we also have this mobilization application where we can actually register on our phones and we can actually go and volunteer. And so now you're utilizing automation to say, Yeah. If Tony volunteers, if any individual volunteers over 50 hours, it will notify our gift officer team. Or if they say, hey, maybe they volunteered 5 times, maybe they need to get a phone call from our volunteer manager to be able to say thank you, right? Like all those different things to be able to all talk to one another.

Tony MartignettiI appreciate your background in Boy Scouts. I'm a proud Eagle Scout.

Eric TomalisLikewise.

Tony MartignettiAll right. All right. You always say— I always say I am an Eagle Scout, not I was.

Eric TomalisYep, same.

Tony MartignettiAnd Eagle for life. All right, thank you, Eric. Thank you so much for the virtuous sponsorship. Eric Tomalis, hailing from Pittsburgh, PA. Thank you so much, Eric. Thanks for being with us.

Eric TomalisThank you, Tony. We appreciate it.

Tony MartignettiI am so grateful for that, for the virtuous sponsorship. And they do have a very comprehensive suite of products that are all interrelated, working together as As Eric described. Claire, let's play some more Claire's Quiz.

Claire MeyerhoffOh, I'm so glad you like my quiz. All right, here we go. I have a few questions that concern one of my favorite guests on your show, who is a personal friend of mine, who I consider a mentor and just an all-around fabulous guy, and his name is Doug White. So Doug White Has been on the show more than once. Tony, how many times has Doug White been on Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio? Anyone can answer, but why would they know? But Tony should know. Take a stab.

Amy Sample WardTony really wants to get this right. I can tell by his—

Tony Martignettiwell, yeah,

Amy Sample Wardhis look of concentration.

Tony MartignettiWho's Doug White? No, I know exactly who Doug White is.

Claire MeyerhoffNo, you're right.

Tony MartignettiAuthor, former Columbia University— is it 5? Is

Claire Meyerhoffit 5? 5. Okay, so we're staying on the Doug White theme. Doug White's book, Abusing Donor Intent: One Family's Epic Battle Against Which University? Tony?

Tony MartignettiI, I know. Columbia.

Claire MeyerhoffNo. Doug White's— Doug worked at Columbia.

Tony MartignettiRight, he was the professor.

Claire MeyerhoffOh, oh, on your show, one family's epic battle, right? And which university? It's against Princeton University. That's—

Tony MartignettiOh, Princeton. Damn.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay, which was the family that went back to Princeton University, said, give us back your money, our money? Was the family the Daniels family, the Robertson family, the Blackwell family, or the Partridge family?

Tony MartignettiI could have got that without the multiple choice. It was Robertson.

Claire MeyerhoffVery good. Very good. Okay.

Tony MartignettiPrinceton. That's right. It was Princeton. He worked at Columbia.

Claire MeyerhoffSo here is one more question, and I'll let everybody have a stab at answering.

Tony MartignettiAll right. Somebody else answer.

Claire MeyerhoffYeah. When this family, which was an A&P heir family, heir of the A&P fortune, the supermarket fortune, And they went again, they went up against Princeton University to get this, this massive gift that they had given a long time ago, get that back. Both sides racked up legal bills. What were the total legal bills, do you think? And Gene, maybe you have a thought on this. What were the total legal bills for both sides for this epic, epic battle? Gene, what do you think maybe were the total legal fees?

Amy Sample WardCumulative.

Claire MeyerhoffCumulative for both sides. Gene, what do you think it might be?

Gene TakagiI'm gonna say $18 million.

Claire MeyerhoffWhoa, you wouldn't even be close, Gene. It was over $80 million spent on just legal fees. I've got

Amy Sample Wardto

Claire Meyerhoffcharge more.

Tony MartignettiAnd Gene's in San Francisco, arguably the most expensive city in the world.

Amy Sample WardI know.

Tony MartignettiOr country, country at least. $80 million?

Claire Meyerhoff$80 million in legal fees.

Tony MartignettiWow, I didn't remember that.

Claire MeyerhoffPrinceton, they lost the case and they had to pay the legal fees for the Robertson family, and they paid them $40 million in legal fees, and they had spent more than that. Princeton.

Amy Sample WardGosh.

Claire MeyerhoffIsn't that something? So anyhow, all right, I have a couple more questions, and the only one who can't answer— well, actually, this is just for Tony. Tony, who introduced you to Scott Stein? Do you remember?

Tony MartignettiOh, uh, of course, the, uh, his former roommate from college. The lawyer.

Claire MeyerhoffHis initials are JB.

Tony MartignettiJB, right? JB. JB. Scott, I don't know. I forgot his name.

Claire MeyerhoffScott, I'll let you do the honor.

Scott SteinIt was Josh Becker.

Tony MartignettiJosh Becker.

Scott SteinSo you're real close. Actually, he was my roommate when I moved to New York. He wasn't my college roommate. Oh, but I wasn't too far out of college. So that's that. We'll give you that one.

Tony MartignettiAll right. Well, thank you. All right. Josh Becker, right? Because I

Scott SteinYeah.

Tony MartignettiHe had done some legal work for me around intellectual property. I was just trying to trade— not trademark, I was trying to copyright, I think, the blog at the time when blogging was more popular. And so I asked him, I was looking for some good music because I was stealing music from Fried— what was it called? Fried Green Onion? Booker T and the MGs. Fried green onions?

Scott SteinGreen onions. Yeah.

Tony MartignettiFried green onions or just green onions?

Scott SteinYeah.

Claire MeyerhoffGreen Onions by Booker T and the MGs.

Tony MartignettiGreen Onions by Booker T and the MGs.

Claire MeyerhoffThat was gonna be my next question to you, Tony. And I was— had a multiple choice. So I looked up other 1962 hits like the song Green Onions, and we had Roses Are Red by Bobby Vinton, The Locomotion by Little Eva, If I Had a Hammer by Peter, Paul, and Mary, 1962. Wow. She's Got You by Patsy Cline and Twisting the Night Away by Sam Cooke were all songs that were, that were very popular in 1962, the same, the same year as the inspiration song for Cheap Red Wine.

Tony MartignettiWell, yeah, right. It was our very first. That was— yes, I was stealing. I was stealing the song. And then initially we were stealing it. But then I did try to So I confess, initially we were stealing it, but then I did try to find who owns the copyright to the song, and it was very convoluted. There was an agency, and then they said, no, they don't have— it's not theirs. And I was trying to license the song from somebody, but it was a big mess. Well, I could never— I never found anybody. And maybe Josh Becker was even trying to help me. He might have even been trying to help me find the right— because I felt bad about being a thief of intellectual property. It's not a great thing to do. But it was the early days of podcasting. We can excuse it. It was— what do we call them? Youthful indiscretions. It was a youthful indiscretion. I was only 37. So I made that— I don't know, I'm not sure where it was, 2010, 2011, somewhere around there. So I think Josh may have been helping me, Scott, to find the right agency to pay, and we couldn't do it. And then he introduced me to you and Cheap Red Wine.

Scott SteinRight. He wrote to me and he said, do you have anything that sounds like this? And I said, well, I don't know if I got anything that quite sounds— if you know the tune, it isn't quite that. I was like, but I got this thing, it's kind of got the same beat, same tempo. Let's, you know, what the heck, here you go, let's see if you like it. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Tony MartignettiDo you remember the Fried Green Onions tune? Are you able to?

Scott SteinOh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony MartignettiGive us a few.

Scott SteinIt's in a million movies. Yeah, yeah.

Tony MartignettiThat's

Scott Steina really famous instrumental from the early '60s.

Tony MartignettiClaire, we guessed one of your— we get credit for guessing one of your next questions?

Claire MeyerhoffYou did really well. Would you like some more questions? Do we have time for a few more?

Tony MartignettiWe do, yes.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay. This one's about me. So, Tony, when this— this is just for Tony— when the show was in the development stage, Claire talked Tony out of including a certain feature. What was it? At the beginning, this was before we— when we were developing the, you know, the clock and the whole thing.

Tony MartignettiThis is when it was the Tony Martignetti Show, which lasted only one week, and you talked me out of that. Yes, I believe I wanted to do live News, weekly news roundup.

Claire MeyerhoffTony wanted a news feature in each show, but I said, Tony, no, you can't do news because you need each show to be more evergreen. And if you have news that's not evergreen, it's gonna sound really old later on. Whereas most of your shows, if you listen to them years later, unless you're talking about the pandemic or something like that, they're not dated. They're good shows. Okay, so what was—

Tony MartignettiWise counsel. Wise counsel from Claire Meyerhoff.

Claire MeyerhoffI'm a professional broadcaster.

Tony MartignettiSaved me from myself.

Claire MeyerhoffYes, that's why, why you brought me on board. So, okay, after this episode on August 2nd, 2013, Claire talked Tony out of doing a new regular feature that he'd been doing. What was the topic that soured Claire, Tony?

Tony MartignettiUh, uh, wine. Wine.

Claire MeyerhoffIt wasn't wine, but you're kind of close.

Tony MartignettiFermentation.

Claire MeyerhoffThe fermentation. Fermentation. That was it.

Tony MartignettiIt wasn't—

Claire MeyerhoffTony decided that he wanted to change up the show and said, I want to start bringing in people who have nothing to do with nonprofits, talk about different things. And so we had a few people on, and I was in studio for one of the bigger, you know, one of the anniversary shows. We were in Sam's studio, the one on the west side, and you had this fermentation guest. And I sat there going— and then I was like, hey, Tony, you know, I don't know if the listeners want to hear about— I think you should stick with the awesome stuff that people are coming to you for that you're an expert on, which is discussing nonprofit issues and topics. So

Tony Martignettionce again, not fermentation. Saved me from myself. Yeah, I thought, well, we'd bring in other topics because nonprofit professionals are multifaceted people and they have lives. And so I'll just try to anticipate what they would be interested in. And the first guest was fermentation. And then, and then I had this— I feel bad about this. I had Santa Claus lined up. Exactly, Claire. I had, I had a Santa Claus, like a Macy's

Amy Sample WardSanta Claus.

Claire MeyerhoffNo, no, the Santa Claus.

Tony MartignettiThis guy was more authentic than even Macy's. I saw him on I-95 because I used to drive between North Carolina and New Jersey, and he had like a sleigh on his van, was made up like a sleigh. It was painted like a sleigh. And I looked at the driver and it was Santa Claus. It was just as good as Ed Gwynn, who plays him on Miracle on 34th Street, the original, the classic one?

Claire MeyerhoffEd Gwynn is in there.

Tony MartignettiEd Gwynn, he looked just like it, the beard and everything. So I got the guy's number off the side of his sleigh van. And I booked him on Nonprofit Radio. And after Claire helped me save myself, save me from myself, With the fermentation guy whose name was Sandor.

Claire MeyerhoffYeah, Sandor.

Tony MartignettiHis name was Sandor Katz, but he used to call himself Sandor Kraut because sauerkraut is a fermented—

Amy Sample WardNo, we got it.

Tony MartignettiWe heard it. I didn't know.

Claire MeyerhoffBut so, so you, you called us.

Tony MartignettiI didn't know sauerkraut is fermented.

Claire MeyerhoffDid you call Santa Claus and unbook him?

Tony MartignettiI had to. Of course. I'm not gonna just blow off Santa Claus.

Claire MeyerhoffI Santa Claus had like a nonprofit angle like that, then you could have had him on the show because you should, you know, if, if Mr., Mr. Fermentation had had like a nonprofit angle, then I think that kind of thing would work.

Amy Sample WardBut no, this was somebody that just painted their van.

Tony MartignettiI had a, I had a fundamental misunderstanding of podcasting, which was everybody will subscribe to the niche podcast that interests them. If they're interested in fermentation, they'll find a fermentation podcast. If they're interested in Crocheting or needlepoint, you'll find the Needlepoint Podcast, etc. So I had a fundamental misunderstanding. Claire saved me. Thank you again. That was a good one. That's Fermentation Show.

Claire MeyerhoffI love that one.

Tony MartignettiSandor Kraut. Okay, we have to move on. We had Claire—

Claire MeyerhoffI have a few more.

Gene TakagiTony Martignetti Fermentation Radio with Cheap Red Wine. That's like awesome.

Scott SteinI was waiting for that reference. I didn't want to be the one to say it. I have to say real quick that, Tony, your story about how you met somebody on the side of the road off of I-95, that's not usually how that story ends, is he comes on a podcast. Just putting that out there. So consider yourself lucky.

Claire MeyerhoffThat's great, Scott.

Tony MartignettiSanta Claus could have been packing. I would have been in trouble. All right, Scott. Yes, very good, Gene. That's very good. Um, Scott, got another song for us?

Scott SteinSure. Uh, I did a record a couple of years ago, which, uh, you very kindly gave me a chance to talk about when it came out, uh, album called Uphill. And so I'm gonna do a song that was, uh, intended to be the second single, uh, off the record. And then, well, we had a newborn at home and so that sort of took over, but this would've been the second single had I had enough brain cells to actually To promote it properly. This is called A Little Longer. Outside are the trees and the grass where I played as a little kid. Outside are the yards and the bushes where a thousand baseballs are hid. Outside is the child that I was that I wish had known a little more than he did. And all I want to do Stay here a little longer with you. Outside there is progress being made. It's made of steel and glass. Outside there is change upon change. And things are changing too fast. And outside, those who aren't old enough to know are saying, this too shall pass. And all I want to do is stay here a little longer with you. Outside there are roads to be driven, stretching mile after mile. But outside those roads and those highways, you're gonna have to wait a little while. 'Cause outside are the noises and the promise, the compliments and the tears. Outside there is darkness, but for those moments that shine impossibly bright. Outside, inside me, and all I want to do is tell you about How you were always right. And all I wanted to do was stay here a little longer with you. Outside are the signs and the reminders of all the things you used to love. Outside are the moon and the stars and the heavy skies that hang above. Outside are the dreams and all the things that whoever helped me dream of. And all I want to do is stay here a little while.

Tony MartignettiThank you, Scott.

Claire MeyerhoffFabulous.

Tony MartignettiThank you.

Scott SteinThanks.

Tony MartignettiYou played a song, uh, last year From Uphill, you played, um, It's a Good Life.

Scott SteinI did. Yeah, I was— that one I remember. I was trying to come up with one that I hadn't done on the show yet from, from the— from that record. So there you go.

Tony MartignettiThank you. Thanks, Scott. Kate, you got something for us?

Kate MartignettiIt's time for Jena Lynch from our sponsor DonorBox to share how their products can help our listeners fundraising. Here's her prerecorded convo with Tony.

Tony MartignettiJena Lynch is the Education and Community Engagement Manager at DonorBox. Jena, welcome to the 700th Show, and thank you so much for DonorBox's sponsorship.

Jena LynchHey, Tony, congratulations first of all on the 700th show. That's amazing. And 14 years of nonprofit radio, we are so Honored and proud to be able to sponsor the Nonprofit Radio, and thanks for having me.

Tony MartignettiOh, it's a pleasure. We talk week after week about how DonorBox is a partner that helps you raise funds both online and on location. Why don't you flesh that out for listeners?

Jena LynchSure. Yeah. So at DonorBox, we help fundraisers who lack sufficient time. resources and technology to really achieve that growth and sustainability for greater impact, which is so many fundraisers, right? There are so many fundraisers out there that are wearing so many different hats and just don't have the resources. So, uh, that's what we aim to do. So unlike generic fundraising platforms, DonorBox is really a comprehensive suite of tools and services and resources, right? So it's not just the tech, it's services and it's educational resources. That really empower fundraisers with a custom solution to help acquire and retain, because that's the important part, retain the donors that they have while raising funds online and, as you said, on site. So, so far we've helped more than 80,000 organizations from all around the world raise over $2 billion in donations.

Tony MartignettiYeah, that 80,000 number, that's incredible. Congratulations to you for $80,000. It's remarkable. Um, let's talk about the services a little bit. Flesh that out, because the tech is the— I'm not saying the tech is the same, of course not. There are features that are specific to DonorBox and special, but say a little more about the service that, that's not so common.

Jena LynchSure. Yeah. So I'd say what truly— and I'm biased, right, because I'm the education and community engagement manager— but I think what really truly sets DonorBox apart Is our commitment to supporting the growth of our nonprofit users. So yes, you have this amazing tech and an amazing suite of tools that you can use through DonorBox, but you've got to have a sustainable plan and those best practices set behind that tech, right? So we really believe in the human touch. And so that's why we provide a range of resources to assist you. So first of all, I have to give a shout out to our customer success team. They are amazing and they are so dedicated to our nonprofits. Success. And you should see us behind the scenes when we see an organization raising $10,000 at their gala. We are actually truly celebrating in our team chat, like, whoa, look at them go, right? Um, so they're available 24/5 and even on the weekends, and their response time is like 15 minutes. It's amazing, right? So that's one thing is you always have a, a group of people who are there to support you. But then we also offer fundraising coaching through our premium package. So we have a few different packages through DonorBox. We have our standard free plan. We have pro plans for those organizations who are looking to scale their impact a little bit more with a more comprehensive suite of add-ons and analytics and all that good stuff. And then we have our premium package, which includes all of those goodies but also one-on-one fundraising coaching with our amazing fundraising coach Brittan. Um, so you get those one-on-one consulting sessions, which isn't usually cheap through individual, uh, consultants, right? Um, so you get someone who walks alongside you in your fundraising journey and helps you as you're aiming to grow. But we also host monthly free webinars, we post weekly articles on our nonprofit blog, and we produce weekly episodes of the Nonprofit Podcast. And our ethos here is we always give you a practical action to walk away with. We can talk about big concepts and things that feel important in the sector, but then we're going to pause and say, here are 3 things you can do right now to implement this in your organization. So again, we're here to walk alongside you in your fundraising journey and of course help you learn how the tech works behind it as well.

Tony MartignettiYou mentioned Brittan. Brittan Stockert was just on the show within the past month or so. Yes, absolutely. So, all right, Jena, thank you. Thanks so much for elucidating, going into a little more detail on DonorBox. And again, thank you for the, for the DonorBox sponsorship.

Jena LynchAgain, congratulations and thanks for having me.

Tony MartignettiThank you, Jena. Jena Lynch, Education and Community Engagement Manager at DonorBox. I am grateful to DonorBox as well for their sponsorship. Claire, let's do our final round of Claire's Quiz. Tony's Take Two trivia time.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay, well, I have, I have 2 final questions, and the first one Uh, is going to be a, uh, where it's just for you, Tony, and you're going to get 1 point for each one. And if you get 10, you win a prize. So it has to do with Amy Sample Ward because I love, I love them. So Tony, name at least 6 cities where you, you and Amy Sample Ward have recorded Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio at NTEN.

Tony MartignettiOh, six cities

Amy Sample Wardwhere it doesn't have to just be. It's just you and I have recorded.

Claire MeyerhoffYou and just and it doesn't the end type. You and

Amy Sample Wardit's been lots of places.

Tony MartignettiJust all right. Well, two two are Portland, so I get Portland and Portland.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay. Portland's

Tony Martignettiyeah.

Amy Sample WardYeah, but I'm they count as one, but I'm acknowledging your two.

Tony MartignettiOkay. The one outside Washington D.C. What would we call that? Is that Baltimore? The the the Inner Harbor? No, no, not Baltimore. The the big place outside Washington D.C. What What's that?

Amy Sample WardOh, um, the Greyhound.

Claire MeyerhoffGaylord.

Amy Sample WardGaylord. Yeah,

Tony Martignettiyeah, yeah, yeah. Gaylord. Okay.

Claire MeyerhoffPrince George's County, Maryland. So that's 2.

Tony MartignettiOkay.

Claire MeyerhoffUm, number 3, actually.

Tony MartignettiUh, uh, was it, uh, San Antonio? No, it was Austin. Austin.

Amy Sample WardAustin, Texas.

Tony MartignettiAustin. Because I think South by Southwest was coming right after us, or before us, before NTC. Mm-hmm. Um, now I'm in trouble. Uh, other places where NTC has—

Claire Meyerhoffyou and Amy have recorded? Doesn't have to be just—

Amy Sample Wardeven if it wasn't at the NTC.

Tony MartignettiOh well, oh, it was NTC, of course. New York City. Multiple shows. Multiple shows with Sam in the studio in New York City. And, um,

Amy Sample WardWhere was I last summer? I had to tune in from very far away.

Tony MartignettiSo we had to be together. You were in, you were in Hamburg.

Amy Sample WardClose. Correct country.

Tony MartignettiFrankfurt. Berlin.

Amy Sample WardAlmost Berlin.

Tony MartignettiBerlin. Okay.

Claire MeyerhoffSo we'll count cities where Amy has been.

Amy Sample WardOkay. Okay. There's— you missed D.C. Proper.

Claire MeyerhoffDC.

Amy Sample WardYou missed San Jose. You missed New Orleans. Denver.

Claire MeyerhoffOh,

Amy Sample WardTony Martignetti. Goodness.

Tony MartignettiI loved all those. That's right. New Orleans. DC. Oh, that's right. DC proper. The DC— was that the DC Hilton?

Amy Sample WardYeah, I think Hilton. Yeah.

Tony MartignettiYeah. Where they have the— where they have the National Correspondents Dinner every Yeah. You had staff, you had NTEN staff at like every street corner so that when we walked out of the hotel, they'd say, okay, walk another block. And then that next person would shepherd us. And now turn left. Okay. Now then, and then the next person would shepherd us one more block straight. You had somebody at every block. So to get us from the hotel to wherever, because we had, we had more, I think, or, or something.

Amy Sample WardYeah.

Tony MartignettiYes. And then I've got New Orleans, of course. I, I love that. I stayed an extra couple days and then Denver. Denver was just, Denver was just, uh, 2 last year, right? 2023.

Amy Sample WardYeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony MartignettiAll right,

Amy Sample Wardalready forgotten.

Claire MeyerhoffWe have time for one more question.

Tony MartignettiDon't be harsh,

Claire MeyerhoffTony. Do you want one or 2 more questions?

Tony MartignettiUm, where are we? We got— all right, do one more, do one more, one

Claire Meyerhoffmore. Okay,

Tony Martignettiand then Scott's on.

Claire MeyerhoffAll right. In 2020, this man started a podcast called The Virtual Campfire. What is his name?

Tony MartignettiI know it.

Claire MeyerhoffWhat is it?

Tony MartignettiTony Martignetti.

Claire MeyerhoffYes.

Tony MartignettiThere's another Tony Martignetti out there.

Claire MeyerhoffWith a podcast.

Tony MartignettiThankfully, with a podcast. He's been a guest. He was a guest on the show.

Claire MeyerhoffOkay. I didn't know that.

Tony MartignettiYeah, he was on, uh, 2— I'd say a year and a half, 2 years ago or so. Thankfully, I've had savvy social media managers through the years. So I've got all the— I've got Tony Martignetti.

Amy Sample WardYou've got the SEO on your name.

Tony MartignettiAll the good properties. I'm Tony Martignetti on Twitter X. I'm Tony Martignetti on Facebook. I've got all the good Gmail. I've got Tony at Tony Martignetti, or tonymartignetti@gmail.com. So thankfully, I'm grateful to all my social media managers through the years. Who claimed properties, so this guy is locked out. He's like like Tony Martinet. I think he's making a mistake on Twitter. He's like Tony Martinet won.

Claire MeyerhoffOh, take out the I. What's

Amy Sample Wardwhat's the virtual campfire about?

Tony MartignettiOh, he's a business coach. He's a business kind of a business and and personal coach. I think intertwined intertwined.

Amy Sample WardNo fermentation highlights or anything. Oh no, he didn't.

Tony MartignettiHe's not he's he's not that savvy. He's not that. But if he goes in that direction, he doesn't have Claire Meyerhoff to help to save him from himself. I feel bad that he doesn't have Claire Meyerhoff working with his podcast.

Claire MeyerhoffI'll save any Tony Martignetti podcaster out there.

Tony MartignettiOh, you can't. No, you have to be loyal to this one. All right. So on Twitter, he's like Tony Martignetti 1. Tony, who's gonna, who's gonna notice that difference? Beat Tony Martin at three or something that people are going to notice. Not don't hide the difference. You got to flaunt it. Otherwise, and I do get a lot of his tweets and a lot of his. I stopped. I stopped forwarding them. Okay, Scott. Everybody knows what you're going to do from your from your 2009 album Jukebox. You have to do cheap red wine for us.

Scott SteinA song about fermentation. The joke's already been done, but yeah, it's

Tony Martignetticalled a callback. No, that's that's legitimate callback.

Claire MeyerhoffNext year, what a fermentation song.

Scott SteinThis one's for I-95 Santa Claus. Babies just get my talking. Sooner or later I'll figure out just what you mean. You're singing romantic advice on a billboard, I'm looking for answers up on the TV screen. And we can't agree on nothing, we can't tell our ups from our downs. We're disappointed in each other, now tell me baby, ain't this love? You know, you used to find me charming, but I can't figure out how. And you said you thought I was handsome, but it doesn't matter now. So keep falling for my puns as long as your time will allow, 'cause I've got a revvy promises of bellagio bread, wine, and now. I'm Sam Liebowitz. You know, some girls, they just live in diamonds, and they won't talk to the kind of clothing that I wear. Well, I'm too poor to afford the good stuff, and you're too easily distracted to care. Well, I ain't got too many options, and so I'm gonna do the best that I can. But maybe you'll have some competition one day when I'm a wealthier man. You know you used to find me charming, but I can't figure out how. And you said you thought I was handsome, but it doesn't matter now. So keep falling for my punchlines as long as your time will allow. 'Cause all I've got are empty promises about a Giver wife. Whoa, ho, ho. Yeah, let's raise our glasses, take a drink to better days. The other people can kiss our asses, they don't like the things we say. And I ain't gonna curse the heavens, though I want flash strawberry tree signs, 'cause we're perfect for each other as long as we nobody else in mind. Nobody's waiting in line for just that cheap red wine. Yeah, you know you used to find me charming, but I can't figure out how. You said your beau was handsome, never mind, it don't matter now. You keep falling for my punches as long as your tongue will allow. Love on a dollar, empty promises about love, children, whatever. Gee, bro, I love that. Whoa! Yeah!

Tony MartignettiFantastic, Scott. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you, Josh Becker, for bringing Scott and me together. You'll find him at scottsteinmusic.com. Scott, thanks so much.

Scott SteinOf course, my pleasure.

Tony MartignettiIt's time for me to say thank you to everybody and farewell. I'm grateful. I am. I get misty here. I'm grateful for each of your contributions to the show. 700 shows strong, 14 years podcasting. We've been around a while and we're not going anywhere. A show a week, 14 years. Thank you. Thanks to each of you for what you've contributed to the show, which is helping nonprofits, small and mid-sized shops, the other 95%, right? we're all helping that part of the, the nonprofit community. So I thank you on their behalf and, and for myself. Thanks to each of you. Thanks so much.

Amy Sample WardThanks, Tony. Thanks for being such a champion for the sector. Congratulations.

Gene TakagiIt's always a pleasure.

Tony MartignettiThank you. Thanks, everybody. Kate, why don't you take us out?

Kate MartignettiIf you missed any part of this week's show,

Tony MartignettiI beseech you, find it at tonymartignetti.com.

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Scott SteinYeah!

Tony MartignettiThank you for that affirmation, Scotty. Be with us next week for Nonprofit Radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. Go out and be great.