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Nonprofit Radio for January 25, 2021: Peer-To-Peer For 2021

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David Hessekiel returns with a look at this year’s P2P prospects. But not before a survey of the P2P carnage that was 2020. There are distinct opportunities for 2021 and David shares the collective advice of thought leaders and practitioners. He’s the founder of Peer-to-Peer Professional Forum.



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Hello and welcome to tony-martignetti non profit radio big non profit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host of your favorite abdominal podcast. Oh, I’m glad you’re with me. I’d suffer the embarrassment of gastroesophageal reflux disease if you made me choke on the idea that you missed this week’s show. Peer to Peer for 2021. David Hess Akil returns with a look at this year’s P two p prospects, but not before a survey of the PDP carnage that was 2020. There are distinct opportunities for 2021 David shares the collective advice of thought leaders and practitioners. He’s the founder of Peer to Peer, Professional Forum and tony Steak, too. We’ve calmed down, were sponsored by turn to communications, PR and content for nonprofits. Your story is their mission. Turn hyphen two dot ceo and by dot drives prospect to donor simplified tony-dot-M.A.-slash-Pursuant demo and a free month. Here is peer to peer for 2021. It’s my pleasure to welcome back after several years. David Hesse Kiel. He is founder and president of Cause Marketing Forum Inc. Helping nonprofits enlist millions of people to raise billions of dollars through the peer to peer professional forum and partner with businesses to do well by doing good through engage for Good. Both organizations hold national conferences to provide access to practical information and inspiration To help nonprofits forge valuable connections. You’ll find them at peer to peer forum dot com and at Engage for good calm. David is at Dave cause welcome back to non profit radio, David.

[00:02:14.75] spk_0:
It’s great to be back, tony.

[00:02:16.77] spk_1:
It’s a genuine pleasure. Good to have you after after probably too many years. I’m sorry for that. But here we are now. So no, no more lamentations

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about no time like the present

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to talk about peer to peer. Um, first, just acquaint us with you’ve got You’ve got three organizations there. You got the Cause Marketing Forum. You got the peer to peer professional forum and you’ve got engaged for good way. Know what they’re doing generally, but drill down a little bit. Eso listeners understand what

[00:02:43.62] spk_0:
your marketing forum is really just the the holding company for all for these two endeavors a

[00:02:54.60] spk_1:
shell company. That’s where your that’s where you really tax money enough

[00:02:59.56] spk_0:
money to be dealing with the Cayman Islands and all of that. Alright, alright. It isn’t that interesting

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about that, Okay?

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Actually, originally, I started the company with the conference that was called Cause Marketing Forum, All about how businesses and nonprofits could work together. Over over the years, that area of interest morphed. And so the words cause marketing became a little dated. And so we changed to engage for good, because businesses are now looking more holistically at the whole field of how they can have values and do purpose driven work. Creating a better world while still being faithful to their bottom lines. And so that now involves not only consumer facing programs but programs designed to attract and retain and motivate employees activism on the national and international scale. And a lot more, um, peer to peer professional form. I’m a big name changer. I started that one back in 2000 and seven as the Run Walk Ride Fundraising Council because I think that many of your your listeners will be familiar with the term peer to peer fundraising. But way back in 2000 and six, when I was really pondering this, that didn’t exist. People never use that free we

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didn’t say Peter P a peer to peer. So run, walk, run, walk rides.

[00:05:11.44] spk_0:
So I tried to come up with the title that would telegraph what we were talking about. Um, and it took a number of years, but we picked up steam when peered appear became a a common phrase we re branded, and I learned something very interesting along the way. That is a lesson for us all. I learned we had a huge spike in the number of people who came to our conferences, listen to our stuff after we made that change. And I mean, it’s a great It was a great rebranding, but it wasn’t that great. And I was learning that certain people were being so literal that they were saying, Well, if I don’t have a run or walk or a ride, I’m not invited to the party.

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E can’t do a dance.

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Exactly where is really what we’re talking about? Is this amazing engine off fundraising and community development in which a non profit has its supporters get involved in some activity and then reach out to their networks to get support, as opposed to the traditional form in which most fundraising takes place where the non profit directly makes an ask in many different ways individual giving, legacy, giving all sorts of different campaigns here. They’re using that power of that network to get money from people who who they probably would never have talked to because they weren’t particularly interested. But those relationships create a lot of opportunity. And so a peer to peer professional forum We actually held our last conference the last week of February.

[00:06:22.04] spk_1:
Got it right in. We

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were so lucky. In fact, although the pandemic was mentioned in a couple of panels, we had no idea. Of course, tsunami that was approaching us.

[00:06:37.36] spk_1:
You were two weeks lucky or two or three weeks luckier than in 10, and had Thio canceled, canceled their conference and scrambling. Do what? Do what they could thio put online.

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I’d like to say that I was smart. I was just in that case, that was very, very 40. Yeah, way had 650 plus people that with largest conference we’ve ever had, and I speak with a lot of these people frequently, And if I had a dollar for every time somebody said to me, Oh, my gosh. The last business trip I took was to be with you in Austin. Yeah, I could retire. Yeah, well,

[00:07:14.76] spk_1:
you have to have 650 bucks. You live meagerly in Rye, New York. If you could retire on $650 a dollar from each one, I’ll give you $10 for each one. You still wouldn’t be able to retire. Six. Its’s a metaphor. It’s an aphorism. Yes, I understand. But you know, I take aphorisms literally. Unless I’m the one using them. And then Then what? You’re being silly. Where you taking me literally for? There’s no winning. There’s no way, because I do. Whatever the hell, it’s nice to post, and

[00:07:42.56] spk_0:
it’s nice to be king. So you’re the host. What do you

[00:07:55.74] spk_1:
say? I’m the host. I’m the king. Yeah, that’s good. I should use King King non profit radio. All right, so, so much a peer to peer is online that there was virtually no impact on the on peer to peer fundraising throughout. 2020 right? It was already online. I’m

[00:10:08.04] spk_0:
sorry you’ve low star game because that’s absolutely not true. Oh, my gosh. It was so a zay said once in a part of time, we were called the Run Walk Ride Fundraising Council, and in one sense, you are right, which is that off all forms of fundraising. The group, the area that perhaps has the deepest penetration of fundraising being conducted online, maybe peer to peer because people who are involved in these types of programs will reach out and use email and social media to collect all of those often smaller contributions. So there is a great penetration, but most of the activity has an analog sort of physical component in the real world, although the balance is changing. Walks, for example, mass gatherings of people, thousands of them every year. We started off in February going okay, It’s getting to be spring walk season. Let’s get going. We’re good luck this season and within a month, basically, this spring, the spring season was completely canceled and everybody was scrambling to create some sort of virtual experience so that they would be able to continue to do that fundraising and then within another couple of months, because we all thought we all hope that we all thought in the early days Well, all right, this is a pandemic. But how long could it last? So we were optimistic that fall programs would happen because these types of programs are very weighted towards the spring and the fall. In a lot of the country, it’s too hot or people are away on vacation, so they don’t do as much of this summer anyway, This the fall went away, and so there was a mad scramble to come up with alternatives to what they had traditionally done

[00:10:15.99] spk_1:
right. And you’ve got some recognition for folks that did that particularly. Well, just just give us some perspective about what? What, what these these cancelations in spring and fall meant to the community nation.

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So you know it’s been interesting were one of our best known pieces of research is the called the Top 30 Report. We do a study in which we look at it. The 30 largest programs we do, one actually in the US and we do another one in Canada, and over the first few years that I was involved with this field, we were doing very nicely. The collapse financial collapse happened in 2000 and 8, 2009, and we’ve actually had negative numbers for nearly every year since then. But when you group them all together, it’s usually a couple of percent. Maybe. And I was hoping that this coming year would be the year that we would actually finally have black ink and produce a report that said it was going to that it was positive on General. Well, nothing could be further than the truth, because nonprofits, uh, through no fault of their own, like all of us, in different aspects of our lives, you know, you promised People X they were used to doing X, and now all of a sudden X for 95% of the situations was impossible to do, and so they would create virtual. And anyway, we found out that I’m using a general term that is about a 50% drop off in the amount of money that they raised from these programs. It really like any average. It’s an average. So you had some that were in the 70 80% of recapturing what they had expected to raise, or at least how much they raised the previous year. You have some in the forties, you have some that were canceled and you have a very few very, very, very few situations where they’re actually were physical programs. I actually I mean, there are more than non, but I know of one in particular. Uh, and it was it. It’s been a devastating year.

[00:12:41.64] spk_1:
So you’ve got these three organizations that, um I don’t wanna really talk about them specifically, but name them that that you identified as having done particularly well in adapting. And then, you know, what can we learn from these in aggregate?

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Eso It’s It’s again like everybody else. We’ve also had to make major changes the way that we share information. We upped tremendously the frequency off distance learning that we were providing through our organization because everybody was hungry for information and was locked in and they couldn’t go out. Um, and we have had a tradition over in recent years, off every year late, naming one organization as the peer to peer fundraising organization of the year and sort of looking at the totality of what they do. Sometimes it’s for one program. Sometimes it’s for ah group of programs, and as we looked at last year, we decided that it would be more instructive to look at a few examples of programs. He was a program within a program or otherwise that did well and use them as learn herbal moment. So we picked out three, and each of them illustrates a different point.

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In the case of there’s the L S Association off its Greater Chicago chapter, and even though they had a spring event as part of the large Ailes walk Siri’s, each chapter was sort of left to fend somewhat for themselves, and they made a fast move, which was one of the things that helped some groups and being having having difficulty making a decision and telling people what was coming up. The pike was a big problem for a lot of groups. Um, they said, Okay, there is not going to be a large Chicago walk. What? We know that a whole bunch of you have signed up. About 150 groups have signed up as teams in this case, largely family teams, people who have somebody afflicted with that terrible disease of ales. We want you to create neighborhood walks, and we are sending every one of you a walk in a box kit. Oh, it’s amazing that, you know, it’s ah, big box full of of instructions and door hangers to put around their neighborhood, explaining that they were gonna be walking and asking people to give and all sorts of fun, uplifting type of stuff shirts, etcetera. And they were able to got about 125 groups to actually walk. They had even some more grandiose plans which were defeated by the by the pandemic and by some of the unrest that was happening at the exact time that they were supposed to have their their program. They were going to send, uh, emissaries out to the neighborhood, walks and provide them with with cupcakes and have super It’s a superhero themed walk Superheroes gonna visit there weren’t allowed to send people out. But by giving people something, really, by generating excitement, you look with all the stuff we’ve got. They were able to I think they raised about 75% of what their previous total had been. So a less was so taken with their approach and some of the many smart things that they did that they encouraged and taught many of their other chapters to adopt some of their techniques and it stood them in good stead. And they’re and they’re planning to continue that for next

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year. So innovation Is that what you were captured you about the

[00:17:39.54] spk_0:
yes, there was association that all all of these in some way, shape or form of innovation. In this case, the easiest shorthand to say is if you can’t bring the people you know Mohammed to the mountain, bring the mountain to Mohammed where we are, they created some of the excitement. People do walks, not because walks air so exciting. I mean, it’s not like you’re going to the, you know, if you if you’ve decided, you’re going to do it, you’re a runner and your you’ve set yourself a personal goal and you’re doing a marathon. There’s a whole big exciting thing, but walks are neat, but people want to be able to congregate. Of course, be a part of a team. Well, that wasn’t possible is here. So they helped create some of that spirit by sending it out. So that was their innovation.

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Bunch of a bunch of smaller communities. Instead of one big community of tens of thousands of people coming together, there were 100 25 communities that came together throughout throughout Greater Chicago.

[00:19:21.04] spk_0:
You’re absolutely right. Will be Dana Farber, and Dana Farber does a number of amazing programs. One of their programs is the Jimmy Fund. Dana Farber has this amazing New England charity called The Jimmy Fund. There is called the Jimmy Fund Walk. David Dana Farber is a cancer research center, and what is best known about that walk it’s they’re based in Boston is that follows the route of the Boston Marathon. So for years, that was sort of what they lead with the excitement that you were actually going to be able to do the route off the marathon and all of a sudden, impossible can do that. And I think that they’re example. They were also able to have a strong performance. But it taught them a lesson about the importance of changing your messaging to never lose sight of the mission and the stories of the people and the impact that the people who are walking have. And by shifting that model of messaging to their supporters, it stood them in very good stead. And then the third group that we

[00:19:28.00] spk_1:
wait before you move on. So what did they do in place of the walk? Uh,

[00:20:11.04] spk_0:
of it A. And an encouragement to go out and walk on your own. Okay. They also created online ways to get involved and to be a part of, ah, a group program. But this was just a really good lesson in how strategically changing your marketing message makes a huge difference. And sometimes we way. It’s easy to get caught up in sort of the sizzle. And this was going back to the steak, which is the reason why you’re doing this. Yes, it’s very cool to be on the marathon route when you’re doing this to help save kids and others. We’ve got cancer

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back to the why? Why?

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Why? You sound like Simon cynic. And then the third group that we’re going Thio. Yeah, well, I’m a big admirer to the third one is, uh, the Terry Fox Foundation, which I don’t I imagine that many of your most of your listeners Air American in Canada. The Terry Fox Foundation is very well known. Terry Fox was a young man. I think this was back in the eighties, perhaps where who had cancer and he lost one of his legs. It was amputated and he decided to fight cancer to raise money by running across Canada. Very, very dramatic. Um, and he passed away, and they created this Terry Fox Foundation, which holds numerous walks and runs all across Canada. Once again, they went from a group that does almost 1000 events. Ah, year to one that couldn’t hold any in person. And there’s is an example. We’re really honoring them for having the guts to complete what they had it planned. Terry Fox. An amazing organization. One of the largest peer to peer fundraisers in Canada, but also a very traditional organization. And frankly, and they have said to us not as digitized and in their approach to doing business as most other leading nonprofits were. And they had made a decision in the previous year to make a major pushing how they acted and in reaching out to their supporters via digital means and raising money digitally of doing all of that in a very new and much more modern way. And many organizations with all of the change that was coming down the pike as the pandemic swept through the industry, would have said, Oh my gosh, this is not the year to do a major all overhaul of all of our systems. And instead the Terry Fox folks said, You know what? Let’s stick to the course. Let’s do this They did. It was very successful and all the more helpful to have that digital communication and fundraising in a time when you can’t get together and they recruit about forgetting the exact number. But this sort of like seven of the $8 million that they would have raised, they raised a large percentage of the money that they would have raised

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a profile encourage for doing something audacious, right at a time when a lot of organizations might not have, but they saw the need. Yeah, great. And they seized it. Absolutely. So let’s zoom. Let’s look forward then. So, though Well, those three organizations gonna be honored right at the march. You gotta You gotta March conference coming up. The people could find find out about the conference where

[00:23:28.24] spk_0:
they will go to peer to peer forum dot com. And they will find out about this event that we’re holding Thea er Noon, Eastern time, March 1st, 2nd and 3rd with a great love or information on overview off the field as well as very this very specifics off. If you do walks or if you are a hospital or if you do cycling events, there are special breakout sessions for all of those and more.

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It’s time for tony steak, too. We’ve calmed down Well, maybe I should say I’ve calmed down to events, seemed to have turned down the national temperature or at least turn down my temperature. Maybe I’m extrapolating from myself for everybody. Maybe that’s unfair. Although I am the center of the universe, we know that non profit radio is here with me non profit radio and I are the center of the universe. So maybe I’m not being unfair, but so maybe it’s more what I’m feeling. These two, these two things these two events seem to have have calmed me, and maybe they have calmed the nation. Donald Trump silenced on Twitter and the inauguration. I’m getting fewer news alerts. I’m not looking at my phone as much. I don’t feel sort of, like, agitated on and compelled to investigate headlines like I did before those two events. Um, so again, like I’ve said three times already, uh, maybe it’s just me. So maybe this is a little therapy session. No, I don’t I don’t mean non profit radio would be therapy. If it is, I’m in a lot of trouble. I’m not getting my money’s worth. I I feel I feel a difference. I feel a difference in the in in Communist and increased Communists and decreased agitation. And maybe that’s the national temperature as well. I’m not sure, but I’m sharing with you what I’m feeling since those two things. And that is Tony’s Take two. Now let us return to peer to peer for 2021 with David Hezekiel. Let’s look forward then David has skill. What do you think 2021 is looking like you had some piece in Forbes that makes some predictions from powerhouse people in peer to peer. Lots of lots of, uh, liberation there. Powerhouses in peer to peer productivity and and and And what? Pastrami, pastrami and prodigious nous. So what do your engagement is one thing e talking about? I

[00:26:12.65] spk_0:
wish, tony that your listeners could see a visual right now because you can see that I’ve got a large crystal wall that I am looking into peering into because this is where I get most of my forecasts and predictions. But believe me,

[00:26:36.60] spk_1:
yeah, well, know that Forbes piece was based on lots of other people like non profit radio. I’m not I’m not the expert here. I’m just a bulletin board that you post things on my forehead. And then I put them out for our listeners Thio to pick up on.

[00:26:48.80] spk_0:
Yes, I didn’t put any of my predictions, but I will tell you that it was fascinating to dio to do this, so I don’t know what when this airs. Uh, but

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there the week of January 25th

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next week. Monday uh, I literally just stepped away from I work in the home office. I guess we all are sort of working in home offices now. And I just watched the inauguration. Yes, very touching. Ah, nde There was no, uh no messing around. No gilding the lily. There’s tough times ahead. And the, you know, vaccination program seems to be absolutely key to really being able to unleash the economic power off all sorts of activity. And this area is is no different because

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all the more actually Z originated has run, walk, ride. So you made very clear there is still an important in real life component to peer to peer fundraising.

[00:30:15.20] spk_0:
So when we get to the some of those prognostications in the past But we did a survey some months ago asking people what were they thinking was going to be the shape of their programs next year. The overwhelming majority were saying, Well, we’re hoping that we will have what what what have become the term has has become hybrid programs. They would like to have physical programs, but especially for the spring. I mean, you know, we’re coming up against the big traditionally many programs started in March in the warmer climes were very big in April and May, and the vaccination roll out is just not happening that fast. Eso uh there is the feeling that there may be the opportunity to not re constitute as okay, we’re gonna have 5000 people gathered together to do a major walk. But we may be able to say, Okay, well, certain of you, this will continue to be a virtual experience. But we also have an element of this where we’re perhaps organized much smaller experience, socially distant experience. Maybe you need to reach a certain level of fundraising and then you can come to a gathering that those combinations are called hybrids. And I think there’s going to be, ah, huge amount of that also because one of the thio, almost a person when I talked to speak people in this field to say the most maddening aspect of what’s going on is it’s so hard to plan because we just don’t know when the all clear will be sounded and we can go back to living is normal. So if you plan for ah hybrid with the realization that if things get better it could be more physical. And if things go to heck, it could be mawr or completely Virtual is the posture that most are taking. There’s some hope. One of the people that we interviewed was Jennifer Lee leads the peer to peer effort at the National and s Society, one of the major peer to peer fundraising America. And she is guardedly guardedly optimistic that in the fall there will be much more of a physical presence in these programs. Um, so that is one

[00:30:36.42] spk_1:
your hybrid and and hybrid, and I just built into that is, be flexible.

[00:32:39.94] spk_0:
Yes, The second thing that comes loud and clear is that virtual if your idea of virtual is just saying, well, we really can’t do anything, so just give that ain’t gonna cut it e mean there were certain that’s really just like asking for donation, which, of course, all of these groups do in spades. But if it’s a peer to peer program, it’s a very difficult thing to get a lot of people enthusiastic if there’s no there there. So a lot of investment needs to be made in making virtual, uh, in some way inspiring enabling groups to come together to have that feeling of community giving them props that bring the thing toe life such as we talked about with the L s associations. Example. Um, yeah. On then, we have a wonderful contributor who will be speaking at this This year’s conference. Nicole Dolan works for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. And she said one of the lessons she learned along the way and that they are working on very hard is you need to give people, uh, concrete things that they need to do. Give them assignments, sign up for this email, Come to this meeting, uh, post on social media. You know, be a part of what’s going on because your best supporters will react to that. And it’s much more fulfilling for them to actually get involved. Then if you just sort of give them a blanket. Okay, well, you know, go off and figure it out. That will not work. So are you.

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Are you, uh I’m having a deja vu moment right now. I’ve dreamed about you. Are you related? Do you have any? Yeah. Connection to Minnesota? No. Why? Well, I don’t know. Because of what I’m asking because of my deja vu experience. There was something related to Minnesota in in the dream that I had when you and I were talking. Uh, all right. I was hoping you could validate my dream, but all right, there was some There was some connection with Minnesota. And you in our conversation, maybe was just asking. I’ve been on the secretary. Alright. But I am. I am. It’s over now. It’s over now, so I don’t know where we’re headed. I can’t say, um the so I mean, the other advantage Thio keeping that virtual engagement is that you can you can bring in those folks that joined you in 2020 who could not have joined you in a real life event. So you don’t wanna You don’t want to just kind of, I guess, you know, move them to a strict campaign, you know, digital giving platform or or or channel, I should say, when their their initial engagement was around an event. So if you if you keep the hybrid and you stay flexible and you you work on engagement like you’re describing, um you can keep those people involved in a in an event fashion even though there may be hundreds of miles away from you.

[00:37:38.77] spk_0:
Yes, well, I think that the higher level, more sophisticated incarnation of this type of activity has always said that you work at segmenting. You don’t treat everybody as equal where all God’s Children and when you treat them all well. But your top 20% for example, of fundraisers. That’s where you know there’s sort of an 80 20 rule. They will raise the overwhelming majority of your funds, and you should be giving them a lot of attention. There’s a lot of people in the walk world, especially who come who show up where your T shirt to eat a banana, but actually don’t raise any money. And they feel like, Well, it’s a community activity and we wanna be involved were not fundraisers, Um similarly Paul Purty of the American Cancer Society, who is also speaking at our conference. He makes the point that he’s done a huge amount of experimentation and trying different virtual approaches, and one of their lessons is really think about this as an on boarding ramp for finding people who are passionate about your cause, and then you do the segmentation necessary to figure out how to keep them involved, perhaps in a virtual way, or whether they are good candidates for trying your physical event. When you can hold that well. Or maybe there will be a supportive of your charity, you know, completely different way. Maybe they could become great volunteers or maybe substantial individual givers. So this whole on boarding and shepherding, stewarding off, peer to peer and seeing it as an on ramp to building your funnel of of supporters is very important. And virtual will never go back to being sort of the very weak excuse of saying, Oh yes, we have a virtual program. But there was really no there there. It was just a way of saying, Well, if you live far away and you wanna be supportive of other people, you could say you’re a virtual walker. Now there are people, and interesting. We had a weapon or the other day featuring people from Good United who also worked with the American Cancer Society and had a wonderful speaker, Dan Thorpe, from there and what they They are using a whole mixture off using Facebook social media advertising to find people who would be interested in a geo particular geographic area at getting involved in a a squat challenge or a individualized walk or run challenge, et cetera, and using the Facebook milieu to get them involved in to get them fundraising. They had tremendous success with that. What they feel that most of those people will have to be will probably be kept involved by reaching out to them again through that social media connection they made. Two. It’s almost It’s a little strong to say this, but it’s almost like a bait and switch. If you try to say Okay, well, you’re a social media. Uh uh, you like to communicate this way. Now we want to take you off of social media and communicate with you via email and have you go to a physical event with a lot of other people, where you have not demonstrated that you necessarily want to do that

[00:37:51.42] spk_1:
radio meet people where they are. It not where you would like them to be and come meet you. Um, squat challenge makes my thighs tremble because I’ve been doing jump squats. It’s only my thighs. Don’t don’t get to accept, you know, just thighs trembling that stops there. Um uh, doing jump squats as part of my homework out.

[00:38:20.61] spk_0:
I’m impressed because I try to do Burpees Oh, my God.

[00:38:47.12] spk_1:
Things. Oh, and then do split, jump squats Those things are rough toward the end toward the end of a set. Oh, are a bunch of reps. I’m more like It’s more like standing on your toes instead of jumping like stand on your toe and squat squat So squat challenges I got a little this. I got a visceral queen. Visceral reaction when mentioned squat challenges

[00:38:48.28] spk_0:
trying not to use any untoward vocabulary again. I don’t want to scare you, tony.

[00:40:30.01] spk_1:
Well, you wouldn’t know my hyper sensitivities. Uh, if that was gonna be the case, we have to wrap up right now. It is a lot. I got more tony go from or much of issues. Time for our last break. Quote. There’s nothing as simple as dot drives. Our executive team meets once per week to sit down and go through our dot drives pipelines. It’s fun to watch them have a healthy dialogue and to see them get excited about their numbers rising toward their goals, you could feel this person’s excitement. You can feel her excitement at witnessing this dot drives has allowed us to take those key relationships and bring them to a deeper level. End quote. That’s Wendy Adams, director of donor engagement at Patrick Henry. Family Service is dot drives Prospect to donor Simplified. Get the free demo for listeners. There’s also a free month. You go to the listener landing page at we’ve got but loads more time for peer to peer for 2021 you got you got also your your thought Leaders in peer to peer had ideas and about not surprising. I mean, we hear this in a lot of a lot of realms. I certainly, uh um in foundation and even corporate fundraising as well. But collaborations be collaborative. Reach out, reach out across your community. Maybe it’s across the country. Be collaborative.

[00:40:43.41] spk_0:
Well, it s so funny that you mentioned that because I literally had a conversation yesterday with with one of the speakers for Thea upcoming conference. And what she was saying is that you know as much as there is, it’s

[00:40:46.61] spk_1:
not funny. David, this is all planned. There’s nothing funny about it. You got coming in. Think I didn’t. You know, You think I didn’t talk to the people you’ve spoken to in the past two weeks to find out about you? This is this. This doesn’t just come together. I’m a little I’m a little offended. I’m a little I’m disappointed. More than offended. Go ahead.

[00:42:18.70] spk_0:
Looking for the silver linings? One of the things that she had been particularly, uh, happy about Waas. That there was a lot of sharing. I mean, although many of us feel zoomed out of our minds, the fact that groups off people who knew each other but worked at different organizations were getting together We’re asking one another’s questions. Um, they were going to some some programming that we created in which there was a lot of sharing has really helped folks get through this very, very difficult, uh, period. So I think that there is collaboration, and for me, it’s such a delight to see, because when I started this group, there was such trepidation that if you went to a conference and you talked about how you held your event sarees, everybody would be taking notes about some sort of secret sauce that you might have and they do that. And then all of a sudden, all of these people who have been raising money for just throwing cancer were suddenly begun to become heart association people because because they did, they did X, y or Z, and

[00:42:21.14] spk_1:
his heart still still cancers ideas. And it’s all zero sum. And if you must be losing

[00:42:38.40] spk_0:
its so much, not zero sum if you’re doing it right, because people do have an affinity, unfortunately, often for your particular cause. And so, uh, this this spirit of collaboration has just been growing and growing and

[00:42:42.67] spk_1:
growing. Can you collaborate with if you’re If you’re in the in this peer to peer world who like who, Who could you be reaching out to?

[00:43:57.40] spk_0:
Well, I think that one thing to do, I think in any field that you’re in is to be looking at other programs, seeing if there’s aspects of what they do that you admire, um, and and being you know, it’s it’s it’s taking that important first step of reaching out to others to find out who they are. One of the things that’s been a wonderful part of what we’ve been able to build is a community. You know, sometimes even figuring out who that person is isn’t easy. When were physically together. Uh, we literally leave a lot of time for networking so people can talk to one another and can share, since we’re so even within our organizations often siloed. But we’re very siloed from other other folks. It’s why, when we produced this upcoming event, we’ve created a lot of opportunities for using breakout functionality to have small group discussions to have actually one on one discussions, because people are hungry for opportunities to talk one on another, and we don’t all need to be inventing the wheel in parallel. There’s a lot of things that we can help each other out with, Uh, that won’t take away from us, but will hopefully make you know. And these people are working towards goals of trying to fight disease, fight hunger. Of course, it is wonderful to see some of this Kumbaya spirit brought to life.

[00:45:15.59] spk_1:
Am I naive if I suggest that when we get back to in real life runs walk, run, run, walk, rides, whatever, whatever form it takes that a bunch of non profits in a community, we’re in a city could get together and host something together so that you know, if if my organization could probably only get 100 or 150 runners and walkers, whatever. But there’s another organization that could get 500 somebody else who could bring 75. And together we could get 2500 or 3000 or 5000 people Thio. And then we could have the synergy of working together with the local police to stop close the streets and they get the park permits, et cetera, and rent the banners that we need and the archways and the sound system. Is that Is that doable?

[00:48:22.57] spk_0:
Yeah, Well, actually, you you you raise a really interesting point and we’re seeing some of that activity already start in different ways. So, for example, in Maryland, there is the Almond Foundation, which is a cancer foundation actually started by the family of Doug Ulman, who is the used to be the head of Live Strong is now head of paella Tonia, which is a tremendous cycling fundraiser that happens in Columbus, Ohio, back in Maryland, the when the pandemic struck the Almond Foundation, which has had a long history of raising money in a number of interesting ways through peer to peer fundraising, decided to create an event, sort of the all of the institutional work that is necessary to create the online presence and the digital fundraising systems, etcetera. And then, uh, opened this to numerous Maryland based charities, and they could have their people plug into this program. And, uh, I don’t don’t totally quote me, but I’m remembering, right there was virtually no cost to the charities to participate, other than to defray the costs that Almond was taking on to create this platform for everybody. They gave a certain percentage back toe, and Ullman wasn’t competing with them to get supporters. So that’s one example. Another example and donor drive was very involved in setting that all up donor drive being a platform company that non profit use to raise funds. Another example. Event 3 60 is a, uh, a production company, primarily very involved with peer to peer fundraising, and they have created something they call the five by five K for good. They piloted this this fall in Denver, and what they did was there a lot of people who are avid runners who want to get out avid supporters of charity. And they created event where you could run over the 24 hour period. Five different five K’s So in Toto, if you did it, yeah, you could run a basically a marathon and they had a number of different charities. It was open to any charity, and again there was. It was sort of free to enter, and then there was a certain percentage that helped defray the cost. So that went on in in Denver this fall. Um, so there There are a number of those, uh, those efforts already underway, and it’s going to be interesting to see, you know, it’s collaboration is great. It usually takes some entity to take a bold first step and sort of create something that others can get involved

[00:48:33.05] spk_1:
with. That’s it. That’s the non profit. You just profiled the non profit radio listeners there, the bold ones you gotta be somebody’s gotta put a stake in the ground and say, Let’s Tze rally around this.

[00:48:44.45] spk_0:
Yeah, and it’s a wonderful way of sharing costs and sharing opportunities that any one might not be able to do by itself,

[00:48:53.81] spk_1:
right? Are you familiar with generosity? Siri’s? Yes. That

[00:48:56.95] spk_0:
was the other one. They actually I

[00:49:09.27] spk_1:
I used Thio. I used Thio. What’s it called? I didn’t I wasn’t their host. I was there. Uh, there M c. I was used to emcee the event. I probably am said I have a dozen in the New York Manhattan.

[00:49:13.60] spk_0:
Other people? Yes, I know them. And I I have not been in touch with them recently. I have a feeling that the pandemic sort of,

[00:49:29.95] spk_1:
uh I wonder because they were strictly e. I mean, they had a fundraising platform, but they were strictly real life events in exactly, also in Philadelphia. And they were trying to go beyond the Northeast. They’re just being just New York and Philadelphia. And

[00:49:34.97] spk_0:
they were attracting numerous numerous charities, uh, to be ableto

[00:49:39.81] spk_1:
Yeah, we have a dozen or so. Yeah, I introduced Steve Buscemi at one because he was really He’s from Brooklyn. So he was a visitor at one. We had somebody. The Brooklyn City Council? Uh, no. The Brooklyn, Brooklyn President, Borough President, President, President, book. That was a different event. Yeah, I did a couple of Manhattan a couple of Brooklyn, so I hope they’re still bound listeners. You could check out generosity Siri’s, because they were. They were looking to go nationwide on there. Pretty ambitious guys. David David, David Lind,

[00:50:11.47] spk_0:
L I N N.

[00:50:13.11] spk_1:
Lynn, David Lynn, right, David and Saul, David and Saul. So I was more in the background. David Lane, right? I hope they’re still doing well. But you could check out generosity. Siri’s Certainly if you’re in the New York or Philly area, because the I know they’ve done events there and I imagine they’re they’re smart and they’ll be coming back in 2021 2022. So

[00:50:31.53] spk_0:
I’m going to reach out to them

[00:50:47.36] spk_1:
generosity. Yeah, I will, too. All right, right. So there’s cause for optimism. Even though we don’t, you know, we got to stay flexible. We don’t know when that, uh, you know, when we’ll be ableto amass thousands of people together. But there are lots of opportunities to go beyond that. As as you describe

[00:51:54.86] spk_0:
20 was a very painful learning year on, you know, again looking for silver linings. Uh, lots of groups learned about things that they could do in less staff, because unfortunately, many groups had to lay off staff, um, quicker than they’ve ever been used to and stretching and using technology in ways that they talked about for a long time. But now that it was a necessity, Ah, lot of them have made some of those investments in technology that will stand them in good stead in the year to come. So I don’t think that this is gonna be a banner year, but I think that the learnings from 2020 will stand us in in better stead to do better in 2021 then hopefully come roaring back in 2022 Because I’ve been trying to figure out tony, you you gotta help me with this. There’s got to be smarter, much smarter guys than I who are figuring out right now and gals, okay, The economy is gonna come back. We’re gonna be able to travel again, et cetera. What are the depressed stocks? And I should be buying right now to make a killing the floodgates open.

[00:52:09.05] spk_1:
You’re asking the wrong guy. First of all, I don’t like guess to put me on the spot. That’s the first thing I’ll get past that. I’m willing to overlook it this time,

[00:52:16.72] spk_0:
but I’ll never do

[00:52:17.71] spk_1:
it. That’s why that’s why it’s been so many years since you’ve been back. I believe I remember distinctly. You did that six years ago. I remember the day I’m pretty sure was November 4th.

[00:52:26.26] spk_0:
It was probably your dream, but Okay,

[00:52:42.95] spk_1:
that was Minnesota. Now, that was strictly that was strictly a Minnesota thing. Yeah, but the other reason you’re aside from that, you know, if you look at my portfolio, you’d see you know, my my mantra is always buy high, sell low. So you don’t want stock advice from May?

[00:52:44.68] spk_0:
Well, I guess the two of us will be working stiffs for quite over because I’ve got a similar profile. But I do think

[00:52:54.03] spk_1:
I need some illicit income. That’s what I need. I need some of that came and came in high double money because I got I got too much of the income and not enough of the capital game.

[00:53:34.55] spk_0:
I think that when you know, as I said before, sort of like the all clearest sounded. There is going to be such a penned up demand to get together with other, has celebrate and to do the good work that people are so dedicated to that they have such an emotional connection with, uh that, you know, hopefully, maybe at the end of 2021 but certainly 2022 should be should should really benefit from that. And so this year, we’re going to be revealing at at our conferences we do every year. What the

[00:53:37.77] spk_1:
enough with Schilling of the conference. Now I’ll let you get away with it for, like, three times I said it. What was that? March?

[00:54:13.14] spk_0:
But we’re going thio and let Ugo available on our site. You don’t have to pay Teoh get it? What is the results of the 2020 study that we dio in terms of the top 30 programs? And that will be a very somber moment because it’s gonna be terrible. The numbers are awful, however, as any good sales person who’s ever had a sales commission plan knows. What you want to do is you want to join up when they’ve had a terrible year, because the next year that you’re working off of a much smaller base, and so any gains that you have are accelerated. So I’m hoping you

[00:54:19.41] spk_1:
go So apply that lesson to your stock market question. And now you’ve got your answer. There you go. I don’t know what to me. I don’t know what the answer is, but, you know, you get back to you, you have to take the next step on your own,

[00:54:30.48] spk_0:
will get together with David Lynn will find him, and he’ll tell us what you think

[00:54:34.80] spk_1:
of it On the microcosmic level. I mean, aren’t you dying? Thio have a dinner with friends

[00:54:39.01] spk_0:
again. Just answered a survey was sort of a fun survey talking about great, you know, kind of kooky things. And but what were the questions was what are you most looking forward to when this is over? And I said going out to dinner with friends?

[00:54:54.29] spk_1:
Yeah, absolutely. Hour and a half. No masks. Close table for four to

[00:55:00.60] spk_0:
food. Could be awful.

[00:55:04.94] spk_1:
Yeah, Yeah, we have to go to one of the remaining few remaining restaurants that that survived this thing. All right, Thank you very much. David. David has Shaquille. He’s got a bunch of shell companies one step ahead of the law trying. Tony, did I mention that

[00:55:18.62] spk_0:
the peer to peer forum is uh, march 1st through third.

[00:55:53.34] spk_1:
I’m not gonna say it now, So if you want, that’s a peer to peer forum dot com. If you want to do it on the business side, you’re more interested in partnering with businesses. Um, there’s engaged for good. They also have a conference engaged for good dot com and David is at Dave, not David. He goes by David. But I guess David David, David Cause must have been taken by some near do well considers himself important in the in the cause giving world. So he’s at Dave cause David has skill. Thank you very much. Real pleasure.

[00:55:56.14] spk_0:
Same here, tony. Anytime. Let’s not let five years go by until the next time.

[00:57:03.63] spk_1:
Well, you slipped up again this time by by putting me on the spot, which I said, I don’t like. So I will talk to you in 2028. Very good. Alright, David, Thank you. Next week, maybe it’s Kivi LaRue Miller. If not, she’ll be on soon. If you missed any part of this week’s show, I beseech you, find it at tony-martignetti dot com were sponsored by turn to communications, PR and content for nonprofits. Your story is their mission. Turn hyphen two dot c o and by dot drives Prospect to donor simplified tony-dot-M.A.-slash-Pursuant for a free demo and the free month Our creative producer is Prayer Meyerhoff shows social Media is by Susan Chavez Mark Silverman is our web guy, and this music is by Scots. Tony, Thank you for that information. Scotty. You with me next week for non profit radio. You better be big non profit ideas for the other 95% Go out and be great.

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Oppcoll hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host. Oh, i’m glad you’re with me. I’d be stricken with sclerosing carrot itis if i saw that you missed today’s show peer-to-peer thirty report the peer-to-peer thirty fund-raising report reveals quick growth outside traditional events, but lots of long standing high profile programs are continuing to decline. David hessekiel, president of the peer-to-peer professional forum, has the takeaways for your peer-to-peer fundraiser and successful giving days. What are the key components to make your giving day successful? How do you activate your community to make them super fundraisers? Which technologies are critical? Karen stein is vice president of communications and content at network for good that was recorded at the non-profit technology conference and t c just earlier this month on tony’s take two planned e-giving levels the playing field. Also, i got a ticket giveaway for rks see our affiliate listeners. We’re sponsored by opportunity, collaboration, the working meeting on poverty reduction that will ruin you for every other conference. I’m very glad that david hessekiel is here with me in the studio. He has twelve years. Working at the intersection of commerce and cause the co author of good works he owns and leads caused marketing forum, part of c m f is the peer-to-peer professional forum, serving leaders of athletic event fund-raising programs. Since two thousand seven, its annual ranking of america’s top thirty thon fund-raising programs has become an industry benchmark. They’re at peer-to-peer forum, dot com and he’s at dave cause on twitter, dave cause welcome hey, great to be here. It’s. A pleasure to have you from upstate westchester county. From rai. You come down. Thank you what’s this what’s this thirty roses peer-to-peer thirty report about i started looking at this field about a decade ago and was amazed that there were all of these major programs out there and nobody knew what was up, what was down, what were the biggest. So we decided we’d jump into the void and we would create an annual benchmarking program looking at all of the peer-to-peer fund-raising programs in america that we’re raising millions of dollars on dh and then rank them. And each year we’ve got people looking who’s up, who’s down, what’s going on. And what are the trends? What can? We learn from from those numbers. And what does the peer-to-peer professional forum? This is the group that we’ve developed that brings together people in peer-to-peer fund-raising peer-to-peer fund-raising being the activation of your supporters to activate their networks to give we originally called this group the run walk ride fund-raising because of that one is, um now, yeah, exactly what there’s a tremendous amount of money that’s still being raised that way. But the path forward is that people in this day and age want to do their own thing, and they want to be able to do it on their time, and they now have the technology that in ten minutes you can set up a fund-raising sight whether you want to give up your birthday, have a party or or do you run own run. So we’re advising folks in this field that they have to do the best job on their existing programs and start planning for the future but giving people right tools, okay, and your definition revolves around activating others, right? Activating this, activating the networks of your supporters. Ok, ok, eso lett’s jump into the report non-cash inal is doing best well, there’s. You know, we have a whole bunch of eight hundred pound gorillas in this field when you look at the biggest programs, even though there are a number of them that are in decline, you can’t just say, well, they’re not relevant any more. We’ve got there still raising hundred there’s. Exactly. Name a couple of the top three. Well, the top three would be relay for life of the american cancer society, the american heart walk from the american heart association and the march of dimes march for babies. Okay, two of those three were down last year. Heart walk was actually up. Relay for life is is truly the eight hundred pound gorilla in this field. The top thirty collectively raised one point six. Two billion dollars of that off that really for life raised three hundred thirty five million. In fact, it’s bigger than the next three combined. So it’s huge and the are Numbers show that the top 30 was down about two and a half percent, right, very much influenced by depressions in a few of these programs, especially relay for life, which was down forty five million dollars. Relay for life is who’s american. Cancer society okay, tremendous program involving millions of people. So a couple of huge programs down skews the excuse the the average overall and that’s. Why you’ve got a two and a half percent decline from twenty thirteen. Exactly. Okay, um, but then non-cash inal s o the reason that you’re no longer called run walk ride is because is this an amazing variety of programs that are out there, whether it’s, movember don’t see do you have a moustache? You’re going to grow on? And no, i’m not. But movember is state. Baldrick is the notebook. Movember is actually an organization called movember started in australia, right? Of course, that politics is shape they want so yeah, i want one ad. Once the outline, when ads, facial hair, the other one takes it off the head. Exactly. So november raises money for men’s health related causes, primarily prostate cancer and men’s mental health. And then st baldrick’s foundation, which is incredibly grassroots, raises money for children’s cancer research. And in that particular event, people get together and shave their heads. Yes, i’ve been invited to do some of those not to shave my head, but to give toe couple of strangers, you know, it’s amazing, we’ve got programs that air doing that we’ve got programs where folks are repelling off of buildings, we’ve got programs like charity water, where people are giving up their birthdays instead of giving, getting gifts, asking their network of friends to give and there creating wells throughout throughout africa, funded in large part by those types of programs. So it’s all over and it’s very, very exciting and people are looking for something different, and they can certainly find it in peer-to-peer fund-raising okay, and the numbers show that these nontraditional ones are are increasing, yeah, yeah there’s definitely increasing in number and they’re increasing in in in in dollars raised many of them from a much smaller base. But that’s that’s, the name of the game now is we’re probably never going to see another three hundred million dollar programme. We’re going to see hundreds of multi million dollar programs that that are tapping into the really ardent support off supporters of various causes now. So what does it take to inaugurate one of these? And we’re going to we’re going to have some time to talk about the the other three hundred. Pound gorilla that was organic, the ice bucket challenge we’ll get to that. But but if you want to start one consciously what? What are some things it takes? Well, i think that it’s let’s say that you wanted to create your own proprietary programming as opposed to the other door. We’ll talk about those two, those two doors. One is you create your own proprietary program. Best thing to do. I’m a big believer in crawl, walk, run, even though we may not be talking about those events and i’ve yet to see across all of it. Um, you want a pilot, these programs and see whether they resonate in a market, see whether they’re going to appeal to a demographic ah, that that you may not be capturing or go to your very core. A great example of this is the m s society. Emma society has a number of the biggest programs out there. Walk m s bike, m s but they created a few years ago, something called muck fest and muck fest is a takeoff on many of the obstacle runs. The mud runs that are out there, okay, created their own branded opportunity, and it’s muchmore going to a younger and millennial crowd than the folks who normally go to there to there events you want to identify where you could have an impact and not just be another metoo event because walks themselves tough to start now. Yeah, okay, andi, another have another tip for aside from the test market starts small pilot program. Well, the second thing it would be and this is really the low hanging food, especially for a many of your listeners that aren’t working at the biggest. Now a small and midsize. Exactly. You want to have a place on your site that gives permission and aid to groups that want that two people who want to raise money for you, but they may not want to go to your walk on the third saturday in september. They may want to do it right now. And so you want to have a page that says we want to support you in your efforts. If you want to dedicate your birthday, do this. If you want to have a party do that, if you want to create an athletic event, do this. If you want to go run a marathon, do that and it’s. Very easy. Easy for me to say, but relatively easy for you to set those up. Okay, so lots of options. Lots up right now there is another door that you suggested we just have a minute before break, so just explain that one briefly will come. But that’s really? What? I i just kind of let the cat out of the bag, but one door is you create something and you marketed that people will come to you to participate in shaving your head growing a mustache, doing a run. Cycling, which we should talk about in the second half is actually another big growth area that’s one and the traditional model. And the second model is to give people permission and aid in doing whatever it is that they want to do to raise money for you. Okay, all right, great tease, but what more needs to be said? Stay with us. 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I mean, i live the live listeners, i just can’t identify you by state and city and country today, affiliate affections always always lots of love out to all our affiliate listeners and kfc. Our listeners have a ticket giveaway for you very shortly in tony’s, take two and, of course, for our over ten thousand podcast listeners podcast pleasantries to each of you wherever you’re listening, whatever device at whatever time, we give a lot of options on non-profit radio they love the way you show the love, just like you’re suggesting lots of options. You don’t have to listen. Fridays, one to two eastern if you prefer not to, um, but we love the people who do. Okay? Yeah, we’re gonna get the cycling, but lots of lots of promise below the top thirty and these you were suggesting it already. You have said it. The smaller events. He’s, you know, a million are your three hundred thousand thirty thousand events. We’re goingto have lower levels, lots of promise below the ranked top thirty, tremendous. Amount, especially technology, has enabled even small non-profits to be able to offer their supporters an easy way to ask their friends for money on behalf of cause that their passion about through online fund-raising plush platforms, simple ones like crowd rise more complex ones that tie into your customer relationship management systems like blackbaud there is a whole spectrum of these of these programs out there, and they allow you to give your people options, and that is whether in what, whether it’s what they eat, what they raise money for, people want options now, and they want the ability to do things in their own time. Let’s, talk about cycling, big growth area it’s amazing, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s, testosterone driven in this in a sense, not on ly guys doing this, but there is a culture of somewhere, i guess somewhere forty something guys who were spending a lot of money on bikes and are looking for ways to ride and to get together with their pack and go out there and do one hundred miles and that is driving tremendous fund-raising in especially the regional programs back about nineteen eighty in massachusetts, billy stars started something called the pan mass challenge because his mom had died of cancer, he decided to raise money for the date. Dana farber, center up there started off with a couple of dozen folks they ran, did a ride across massachusetts. Now they have thousands of people who do this once a year event a tte, various lengths. But the biggest participation is the longer events. Last year they raised forty nine million dollars. That success using a regional charity as the platform using cycling as thie activity is one that is being copied in markets across america. In columbus, ohio, snusz six years ago they started something called piela tonia ah, exact same model getting people. They take over the columbus area. Last year they were up eleven percent to twenty one million dollars. A program that was on ly started in two thousand and nine they’re in the pacific northwest. Is the obliterated these air going on all over the place? Really, really big and then related to that. Ah, here in new york, memorial sloan kettering cancer center took a different approach. Ah, supporter of there some years ago created something called cycle for survival and actual. Indoor cycling off season of that, they do it endorse on it. Do it enjoy. Yeah, they do actually have a great partnership with equal knox. They have locations all across the country. Last nap now they were up over forty two percent. Last year. They raised twenty million dollars in a program that just runs a couple of weekends. That’s like genius. So you don’t worry about licensing and coordination with police departments? Know exactly, but well, it’s just that everything’s long is that the key is that you have to have a lot of bikes on their very fortunate that they’ve got a great partnership with equal knock. So they got all of these locations and they can market to the people who belonged to those clubs as well as other people from the community. Equinoxes a fitness center. I don’t know if they’re so yeah, i don’t know if they’re nationwide, but that zaveri high end, beautiful set of clubs. Now, i remember when these things when i was young, things have evolved a bit since then. Used to sponsor people say, sponsor me, you know you you played me like a dollar a mile for every mile i walk or something, you know, and you give him five or ten books, andi, usually the collection came at the end, you know, i walked the seven and a half miles, so you only seven dollars and fifty cents with these. We’ve come a long way since yes, there still are many probably hundreds of thousands of envelopes across america in which change and checks is being collected, but when you look at the penetration of online fund-raising overall in america, probably you’re a digital guy, so you probably use it a lot. There’s a lot of people who are not in in traditional, i’m going to write a check for twenty five bucks or fifty bucks. A lot of that is still checks, but when you look at this field, about eighty percent of the money being raised is online. It is absolutely the leader in terms of online integration now sort of sort of in the in the contrast, there’s a quote in the report that great granddaddy events are fading. Yeah, and we talked a little about that even though there’s still some promise of the numbers. It’s interesting to see that some of these more traditional events are not are declining, and there is there a variety of it is a trend, it is hard to maintain the those events that were started in a few decades ago, where it was much more common for people to say, yeah, i’m going to go with my company team, i’m going to go on a walk on a saturday, people are busy there, everybody’s got seems to have two, two people working in the family if their traditional couple ah, they don’t aren’t aren’t as willing to do that, so it takes even a lot more work to keep and maintain programs that are raising one hundred million dollars. And now that people have other options, that makes it all the tougher but a lot of the those programs, i’ve also suffered for very specifically komen, for instance, that we don’t mention co-branding they have a home in had exactly have two of the top program race for the cure, okay? And the three day walks and their challenge has really nothing to do with anything we’ve discussed today. Ah, few years ago, they got wrapped up in a controversy about their relationship with planned parenthood. Has twenty twelve and they were able in a you know, they really messed up. They were they got people on both sides of the abortion issue angry at them, which is, i think, unprecedented and that led to you. I mean, we’ve never seen a drop in revenue like we’ve seen over the last three years at komen ah, they i think are starting to stabilize, but so that’s really a very specific case relay for life, you know, challenging to keep program as big as that, and they also did a massive reorganization a couple of years, american cancer of the american cancer society and that sorry that really messed mess things up yet, on the other hand, some other programs that are in that mold ah, alzheimer’s, the alzheimer’s walk, thie, american heart association and the hard walk they’ve actually shown some increases, and there that’s another trend, something that’s really important? If you’re going to get into this field or if you’re in this field, you know it just don’t put up a sign say we’re having a walk, you really need to concentrate on the techniques that had got to turn people who show up. Into people who raise money, there’s a lot of organizations where you have wonderful volunteers who are staffing your event, who are helping to organize your event and their their goal in their own mind is we want to have a lot of people show up, and they really don’t like to push people on fund-raising you need to instill a culture that says this is a fundraising event, we’re doing this to fight the disease or the issue that we all feel so passionately about, and unless you fund-raising you’re, you’re not fully buying it to what we’re about. That kind of cultural change, for example, which has been taking place at alzheimer’s, for example, has led to tremendous growth. Also, not all fundraiser are created equal. Every event should be analyzing who their best fundraisers are and should be giving them some extra love just like you do your shout outs. Yeah, they’re big time there’s one which one is that that has special jerseys for the top fifty? Brandraise yes, the american american die a bit toward a cure has all sorts of different shirts, whether you’ve raised over a certain amount, whether you’re actually with your patient whose all sorts of different forms of incentives and recognition means so much to those people who are passionate about your issue. Okay? And that could be longevity too. You’ve participated in the past five without exception. Unbelievable example. And if folks want to see ah, write up of this whole report at peer-to-peer forum dot com we did a white paper on this. We give this case example of st baldrick’s. They have something called the knights of the bald table. Oh, yes. And if you have participated for seven years and in each of those years hit a fairly high bar fund-raising goal, then they induct you. They have a sword. Yeah, the local the local organization gets a package right with a script on induction script and and a sword to get a plastic sword. I’d never had the privilege to be at one of these. It sounds funny. They say the average induct e who probably has been doing this this long because they’ve had been touched in some way by childhood cancer and their family or somebody they know most of them are in tears by the end of it. It’s very, very touching. And it’s. The kind of thing that keeps people going and people they want. They will do a seventh year because they want to be a part of that. Absolutely. Knights of the bald table, nice to the ball tables. Outstanding. I’m goingto let st baldrick’s know that we’re talking about them a lot today. Shut out the same baldrick. Ice bucket challenge not in you’re not in your top thirty will explain why that is. So we try to be an aide to all the people who make a career out of doing peer-to-peer fund-raising and in order to to benchmark who’s doing what and how they’re moving up, we require that all the programs we measure are actually organized by a non profit organization and on our tended to be multiyear events to be ongoing. Okay, so the ice bucket challenge was started at the grass roots and then got assistance from and people from the press association and a less tv i got involved and helped propitiate it and move it forward, but it doesn’t fit into our rubric if it had. We only let me look at money raised the u s that program is true is raised about one hundred and fifteen million dollars. It would have been the number two program on our list. Yeah, tremendous, amazing phenomenon i had barbara newhouse, the ceo of l s on the show and if anyone wants to check back and if you miss that, it was the october third twenty fourteen show spent the hour with barber and there’s also a video of that we did it was a video as a google plus hangout. So this video of that on my youtube channel which israel r e a l tony martignetti some other swine had taken tony martignetti from youtube before i got there. I’ve since eliminated him, but i kept the everybody knows the channel. So i had a cousin no that’s that perpetuate a stereotype. I don’t know why i’m not touching that with a ten foot pole. Tony that’s, your your valley wick. I know i did it badly too, but i’m in the tribe, so i you know you can do. You could do it. Um all right. So that was it was it was purely organic. Came from an a l s patient? Yes. And beyond the hundred fifteen million. That was for the less that was for the national organization. But did they do something to two hundred twenty million globally? It is all the affiliates. And did you do it, tony? Did you dunk yourself? I did not idea. I did. My wife did. It was being done all around the all around the world. And of course. A huge number of celebrities, etcetera. So, yeah, it was it was amazing, and it is again an example off how you can yeah, gotta make leave the doors open for people to do their own thing we may never see in our lives see another one on the scale of the ice bucket challenge, but we’re going to see ah lot of programs that raise significant amounts of money that weren’t created in the offices of one of our non-profit organizations. They were started by a passionate and creative supporter. Yeah, what other? We got another got another takeaway. We still have a couple minutes together. Sure, something we haven’t talked about, you know? Absolutely. It sort of goes with without saying, especially since where many people are listening to this on a podcast. And i know you use social media so well that you have to be thinking about using social e-giving your supporters, the tools to do that, i use that a personal example. I remember back to few years ago, i turned fifty, and i decided that i would do one of the climbs. M s society does a climb up one of the rockefeller plaza. Building sixty six story really? I didn’t know that very thing climb up the compass side of yeah, sixty rock, not the side inside, i’m not on the stairs, but i was still having a puppet and it was passing some thirty year olds felt very, very good, but i put it up on facebook and howard sutton burghdoff e-giving a shout out to you. This is a fellow i grew up with went to elementary school with we both share the ignominious distinction of having been bored on ground hog’s day anyway, i didn’t realize that howard’s mother had m s and the very graciously out of the blue gave fifty dollars, to this if i hadn’t put it on facebook, i never in a million years would have thought to send him an email or a note or call him up and say, would you support so that’s a great example, the next generation? I mean that’s almost talking about social media almost feels old school because now it’s all about mobile. I mean, you were all walking around with smartphones, we’re accessing all sorts of information that way and the tools are getting their where that’s going. To be the entry point and the contact point we just have about thirty seconds left, you have an annual conference who’s who what’s the value who should go absolutely great place for folks who are leading substantial programs in peer-to-peer for fund-raising if you are not raising a million dollars or more let’s say you there’s tons of free resource is webinars on insights that you can gather at peer-to-peer forum dot com and we’d love to see you. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you, david. My pleasure he’s at dave cause on twitter twelve years working at the intersection of commerce and cause got tony’s take two and successful giving day’s coming up and you’re gonna hear some something consistent too, and my next guest do around the use of technology for those giving days. First opportunity collaboration it is the single most productive week i’ve spent all year that is from gretchen wallace, founder and president of global glass roots grass roots global grassroots in darfur hi haiti, rwanda, uganda and the us opportunity collaboration is a week long conference in hey stop in mexico, devoted to poverty reduction in all its different forms, lots of people working at the problem in different ways throughout the world i was there last year, i’m going again this year in october if your work is related to poverty anywhere in the world, check it out. Opportunity collaboration, dot net my video this week again from my laundry room, i’ll get out of the laundry room for next week, but back there this week explains how planned e-giving levels the playing field across all your donor’s. It is the great equalizer that empowers small and mid level donors, and that video is that tony martignetti dot com ksc our affiliate listeners in california i’ve got two tickets for you to the ksc our music video festival. It is at the vista theatre in los angeles on a mme april fourth and if you would like those two tickets, be the first one to tweet me. I listened to hashtag non-profit radio on chaos see our radio tweet that to me if you’re the first one to do it and i know you let you and casey are you listen to the show on tuesdays so there’s still time if you want to go to the ah music video festival. Hosted by chaos, tweet me be the first one. I was at and t c the non-profit technology conference earlier this month, and one of the very smart people that i spoke to was karen stein and here’s. My interview with her on successful giving days. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the non-profit technology conference twenty fifteen. Our hosts are intend the non-profit technology network. We’re in austin, texas, at the convention center. I guess now is karen stein. Karen is vice president for communications and content at network for good. And her workshop topic is the secret formula for successful giving days. Karen stein, welcome to the show. Thanks so much, tony it’s. Great to be here. It’s. A pleasure. Thank you very much. Thanks for taking time on a busy conference day. Yeah. It’s definitely exciting to be here at at the anti cia and see lots of old friends and make lots of new ones. So it’s zoho always in one of our favorite events. Excellent. This is my second year here doing interviews on dh believe this is your second my second year here. And, of course, network for good has been here for many, many years. So since around two thousand seven i think right for yeah, i believe so first ntcdinosaur long before amy sample ward was ceo, definitely definitely and i think it’s it’s growing into i think one of the premier non-profit events teo, be at it? I think so. I mean, that’s always what? You know, there are many conferences to go, teo if for both attendees and exhibitors, but this is when we definitely make a point to always, always be all right. I’ll see you again next year. Definitely make a date. All right, all right. We’ll set you up with an interview for twenty sixteen successful giving days. So now i think the biggest probably most popular, is giving tuesday what are some examples of other ones? Yeah, so different types of giving days, they could be based around the time of year they could be based around a region or an affinity group. So there are things like giving tuesday, of course, which is really the kickoff now for your in giving. And then you have things like give local america, which is focused more on regional giving and other kayman community foundation states have their own giving days. We actually helped maryland. Do e-giving day for their state and it wasn’t a maryland, yes, for their non profit organizations to the maryland non-profit association did e-giving day on dh then you have ah, non-profits who want to come together and do giving days around affinity groups so things like give out day, which was really kind of focused around issues affecting gay, lesbian, transgendered folks, and have those organizations come together not just to raise funds, but also to think about how to raise awareness and use those social networks as a zit means to get their message out. I had henry teams as a guest about a month ago or so roughly talking about the success of e-giving generally and how what a huge spike there was for twenty fourteen he certainly emphasizes the decentralisation of it and all the sharing tools that are available is that common across the successful e-giving days? Definitely, i think that the reason why e-giving days have become so popular is because online fund-raising has become so popular, and it really has decentralized and and decouple the idea of fund-raising and advocacy from just not just the organizations, but it’s really something that everyone khun d’oh! And to think about how you can couple that technology with the idea that we have these large social networks it’s really allowed that to take off in a very viral way, and we often talk about things going viral. This definitely has for sure, and i think it’s great on dh. So what are some other, you know, sort of common traits, important components of a successful e-giving yeah, well, the thing is that that makes giving dae so unique, and i guess so effective is that it’s really using that sense of urgency? And we know that a sense of urgency, especially in fund-raising campaigns can really motivate people to act when they otherwise would not. And so having that limited window of time really gets people excited and it’s very focused, you have a lot of energy kind of compressed in tow one day, twenty four hours, and it really gets people excited, and so i think, that’s one piece of it, right? I think it’s that urgency and to take that and then really empower people with a message and some fun sharing tools. So i think you hit the nail on the head there. Were thinking about how do you not just use social media as a promotion promotional tool, but to use it in creative ways with images, with videos with, you know, some kind of contests that could really encourage that excitement, right? Because that’s one thing that you definitely need forgiving day, you need something had to be fun, and you needed to be interesting, and you needed to be exciting because that’s really what is going to get people to pay attention to you and be motivated to share that with their friends and their family? And so we think that that’s really one of the things that’s, that’s really important, so it’s, that sense of urgency, the idea that you’re having fun but it’s also this idea of specificity, how do you become very specific about what you’re going to be raising funds for in that day? And we find that the most successful e-giving goal goal, it can’t really just be about general giving it needs to have something else to it. It needs to have something specific, so maybe that’s a specific program that you’re working on, maybe that’s ah specific goal that you’re working tour, but it needs to be something, you know, maybe you’re trying to open a new soup kitchen and that’s the particular thing that you’re built, you’re raising funds for its not just about your your cause it’s about that one particular thing, because having that tangible thing again helps you be more creative on and be very specific, and i think it gives people something to really grab onto you and share and understand exactly where their money is going. Okay, interesting the specificity. So do you find that organizations that are just more general say on giving tuesday? You help us out today, it’s giving tuesday, they’re not being a successful is the other right? I think that there is if you’re not specific, you’re not going to be as successful. And i think that it’s not enough to say it’s giving tuesday. So give it’s the same thing as if you were saying now, it’s time for our annual campaign so you should give to us that’s not compelling for a donor. And so i think that, you know, if you can get very specific about the cause that you’re raising funds for, maybe it’s a special, specific project. We see that that’s really makes a big difference because it also helps the non-profit get really clear about what their marketing materials are and what that message is, and it could help you stand out, especially on e-giving day we’re in so many people are actually putting out those fund-raising appeals having something unique can help you stand out above the rest. And so it’s really important for you to be specific about that ass because we know that that’s what donors are looking for, and that really does play into that idea of a e-giving day of really coming together to fund one particular thing that people care about, what should you be thinking about if you’re trying to decide whether e-giving day makes sense for your affinity group? Not let’s let’s put aside participating in something national, like give local o r e-giving tuesday, you’re trying to think about it for your own, like university, for instance, you know, how would you what do you need to think through? Yeah, i think that what you really need to think about a couple different things. I think you need this the internal staff to be able to do it it doesn’t have to be a large debt, but you do have to have someone dedicated to being the champion of that giving day for your organization, because it’s really just like any other campaign, you need to have a plan you need to have. Ah, you know, one who’s going to man those marketing channels, so you need to have somebody dedicated to that you need to really be able, teo leverage social media. I mean, you could do e-giving day without social media, but i think it’s a lot more difficult, so you need to have we’re already started thinking about how do you build that up for your organization to use that as a lever. So you need to have some type of social media presence and you need tohave ah, fairly decent following, and that could mean different things for different organizations. A larger organization is going have probably many more followers. A smaller organization may not have as many, but the followers they do have maybe just his passionate. So you need those people to amplify your message, and then you need a really easy way for people to activate, right? You’re sending out? Those messages through social media, how do you actually get those people to take action and make it very easy for them to do so in terms of donating online or with your call to action could be signing a petition most giving days are about giving funds and making a donation, but some organ it doesn’t have to be, but it doesn’t have to be at a lot of people use that as an opportunity to raise funds, but also to get people on their email lists he really expand their social network. So some of those different asks that you could give to your supporters are yes, we would love for you to support the mission with a mani very gift, but you can also support the mission by sharing this this message with your followers and help us expand that network, and that could be really powerful, especially as we see millennials take hold that’s one way where they really feel like they can make a big difference is being an advocate for that cause and that in some cases, especially for smaller organizations, can be a big win because they don’t necessarily have that built in. Base to communicate, tio way assumed that most people know what e-giving tuesday is, but give local america when i wanted to explain what that one is about because i don’t, i don’t think a cz widely known but it’s still very, very interesting. Yeah, it’s it’s it is, and i think it taps into this idea where so give local america is actually done through a lot of the local community foundations and it’s really all about giving local to your own local charity. So if you are living in austin and i think the us who actually austin is having an event this week called amplify austin and it’s all about giving back teo to those charities and those organizations in the austin community. So it’s really focused on making sure that your charitable donations are staying within the community and really getting people excited about what good is happening in their own backyard. So that’s really the premise of give local america’s toe leverage the networks and then the non-profits through the local community foundations and created giving dae that way. So it is a national day devoted to giving, but it’s, the action is actually happening. At the local level, can we talk some about technologies that you should be employing in your you’re now that you’ve decided to to embark on a given day? Definitely. So the great thing is that technology is really democratizing fund-raising and it allows that toe happen at many different levels by really anyone, and so what we would would recommend is that you have a really strong online giving presents it should also allow your donors to make a donation online very quickly, but it’s also about mobile because we know that a great majority of people are now reading messages on mobile email messages as well as the primary use of many social networks is actually coming through mobile. And so that experience needs to be very mobile friendly so people could quickly take action, get that done and feel good about giving that gift rather than it being a long drawn out process. So that’s really critical. The other thing that you need to think about with your online giving platform is, is there an option for people to raise funds on your behalf? So is there an option for someone to come in and not just make a donation, but actually amplify your fund-raising by becoming a fundraiser for you, so appear fund-raising functionality is also very important for that and then having cement a grated social sharing tools. So we talked a lot about this idea of social media and leveraging networks has really allowed these giving days to take off so that’s one things that non-profits really need to think about us, how are they going to then enable and empower those donors and those fundraisers to share their message with tools right on that page, right on their their facebook page on their web site, just making sure that they’re making it as easy as possible to find those ways to share that message? And so i think those were really the things that are critically important, there are many other things that you could do. I mean, having a great email marketing tool, of course, is one and all these things are typically what you would find for any successful campaign, but particularly the mobile in the social and the pier fund-raising are extremely critical, forgiving days because you need to be able to activate as many people as possible within a very limited amount of time. 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Oppcoll now i imagine there’s there’s lead time to this and, well, there’s obviously lead time that’s silly, but in terms of getting some early adopters, maybe, you know, you got some key people lined up way in advance so e-giving day about some of the ground working, yeah, so u need t be planning ahead, so we would say if you’re if you’re thinking about giving tuesday a new it’s only march, but you need to be thinking about that now we would say that ideally, you would have about three to six months lead time if you are thinking of of give local america, which is just in may so that’s not too far away, you still have time to plan that, but those far ahead as you can get you is going to be more you’re gonna have a more successful campaign and one of the things that you need to be thinking about when you’re planning that is being able to identify who are your most passionate supporters, whether those air people within your staff or your volunteer group, or maybe donorsearch one outside your organization, you need to be able to get those people on board. Orderly, get their input, make sure they’re aware of what’s happening and then equip them with the right messages in the right tools to be able teo really amplify that message for you. So that’s really important to think about what more are we looking for when we’re in these people that we’re going to recruit early on long before the early the early adopter? Yeah, i think what you need to think about our, you know, our what is their story? Why do they support you? And i think that’s a really compelling question to start asking those people because that story you can use yourself, tio really inspire other donors, but you need to understand what motivates them. Why do they give to the organization? Why do they care about your cause? I really understand that. I think what you’re also looking for frankly, are people that have large networks, you know, and influence. Yeah, i think i think he want at least two to three people on your, you know, group of supporters that can reach out to the media. Maybe they have connections. You know, your board members are actually great people to get involved in this process, because they are typically people that do have influence in your community or have connections, and that could be a great way to use them t get involved, get excited about what you’re doing and really, you know, kind of make give them something to feel proud about when they’re reaching out to their friends, family and colleagues about why your cause is so important. So those are some groups that you could look to you, but i think volunteers, board members, people that are recurring, geever, you know, we’re really talking a lot about recurring giving it networked for good, because we know that those people are the most loyal in the most passionate people. They’re committed to your organization, and often times they will want to do more for your organization. So that’s, another group that you can look teo excellent. You have excellent way of explaining this very concisely. Thank you, really. So it, sze voluble. Let’s think about trying to make the case in our organization if we believe it’s, right? And we’ve got the tools in place and we have staff that can support it wear confident we’ve got some people in our networks who will take it on right? But, uh, maybe the board is reluctant or the orjust my immediate boss is reluctant with ceo, how do we start to make they bring these people? Yeah, i think there’s a couple of things that you can do, i think you can point to the larger success of these giving days there’s a ton of examples out they’re both from the hyre ed space, but also from from non-profits in general, that are raising a lot of money this way, and so i think you can use that as a springboard for having this conversation at your organization. I think you have to be realistic. You have to think about what is the investment that you’re making in this giving day because you do need teo planning to have some marketing dollars to put behind it. What we would typically say is that you should plan to spend about ten percent of what you hope to raise and so i think it’s important to be really clear on what that goal is for your organization. But it could be a way for you to expand your audience and raise more funds. And so i think it’s ah, this investment that’s well spent. I think the other thing to think about is a network for good. We’ve seen that this type of fund-raising so far has been additive for organizations. A lot of people are concerned. Well, zishe is cannibalizing other giving it actually is very additive, and it could be another way to not only grow your day donations, but it could be a way to grow that donor base, which is a critically important for so many non-profits especially those small to midsize folks that are really looking to build their lists. And so i think, that’s another way, it’s a it’s an opportunity, really, for those people to meet several goals at once and i think that’s a great investment of dollars. How do you assuage the people who do say it’s just gonna cannibalize our annual giving? We’re just going to shift shift time of year that they give, yeah. I mean, what we’ve seen in the data is that that’s not actually the case. And so you know, we we do a lot of analysis on your in giving. And what we typically find is that we see about ten percent of our animal volume for the entire year. Come in at the last three days of the year and that’s been pretty constant. And so this year, we really interested to see what? How did this really big giving tuesday, if influence that. And so we saw that on giving tuesday. I think we are. Volume was about one hundred and forty eight percent. An increase over twenty thirteen on giving tuesday. I was like, okay, that’s that’s nice. But what happened later? Right? Because that’s really where more people are giving what we actually saw is that this past year in twenty fourteen, those last three days accounted for twelve percent of our annual bowling, and that volume actually went up those days got larger. So it’s really interesting. Now we can’t necessarily attribute that cause, but it was just interesting for us to see that happen because there was, you know, we were thinking like, well maybe that is shifting. I think what it is is starting to just accelerate the way that people are giving at the end of the year, but what we saw is that people are giving both in both cases, right? They may not big be giving large amounts on giving tuesday as they will on december thirty first, but what we do see is that the largest average donation comes in on december thirty first and the second largest comes in on giving tuesday on dso and and that’s a bigger gift than what happened at any other time of the year outside of december first. All right, uh, can we still have a few minutes left together? What? What more do you want share that i haven’t asked you about? Wow, that’s a great question. Well, i think that the thing that we would really encourage people to think about is just start thinking about it. I think it’s a great way for you to think about how to message organization in a new way if you haven’t tried it yet. It’s a great way to activate younger supporters if you’re kind of looking for a way to get new people in the door get younger donors involved it’s a good way to activate them, right? Because they really take to this because it incorporates a lot of the behaviours and the technology that they’re so comfortable with using. And so i think, that’s another thing to think about if you’re looking to tap into a new demographic, i think that giving days are way to do that, and there are so many great examples out there that you can kind of look, teo, to see how people are doing this and it’s really, you know about being creative and about, you know, thinking about maybe a new way to spend your cause to people that haven’t heard about it before. Are there other national ones besides e-giving tuesday give local america others that we could participated in before we start thinking about creating our own? Yeah, i mean, i think that the big too, you mentioned i think i believe there are there are other giving days, i don’t have it for some reason i’m drawn, drawing a blank on that, but i think, you know, the interesting thing is that we would really recommend that you participate. In one that has maybe a bigger following. First, because a lot of those organizations, especially the folks, that giving tuesday, have a set of resource, is for you to take advantage of. And that could be really powerful for folks that are just getting started. And not quite sure now. Or forget also provides a toolkit for folks that outlines exactly what you need to do and when. And so i think, it’s really important if you’re just starting out to try to go in on e-giving day, that’s already in existence, like one of these national days, or even a regional event before you think about maybe creating your own event, because i think you’ll learn a lot by doing that, you know, sharing tools or critical on dh there already set up. Exactly, you know. Want to reinvent the wheel your first time out. Don’t leave us with one one tip that you haven’t mentioned yet he’s going to think of something that just in the last minute, but yeah, definitely i wouldn’t say that on giving days, you know, just like any other day of the year, any other campaign it’s all about being very compelling and drawing in that emotion from the donor, so don’t leave that behind like we said, it’s not just about the giving day it’s, about what you’re empowering that donor to make possible. And so you really need to be able to think about tapping into emotion when your thing thinking about that fund raiser and thinking about that appeal letter or that social media post that you’re doing really leverage the powerful work that you’re doing and, you know, send that message out and draw all those emotions because that’s, what really is going to get people in the door? Thank you very much. Thank you so much, tony. My pleasure. Karen stein, vice president for communications and content at network for good. And you’re with tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the non-profit technology conference twenty fifteen. Thanks so much for being with us. Thanks. To everyone at ntc and and ten, the non-profit technology network, i felt very welcomed at ntc this year. If you like more detail on giving tuesday, i had the founder henry tim’s on this show, and that was the january sixteenth show from of this year just a couple months ago next week damn piela he’s, the guy in the ted viral video, which is the way we think about charity is dead wrong. Have you seen it? If you haven’t, then you certainly should. He’s, also founder and president of the charity defense counsel. If you missed any part of today’s show, find it on tony martignetti dot com. Where in the world else would you go for info? Our creative producer is claire meyerhoff. Sam liebowitz is the line producer shows social media is by susan chavez, susan chavez, dot com and this music is by scott stein of brooklyn’s yeah, see that that’s, right, scott? Yeah, you’re with me next week for non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent go out and be great. 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