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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent it’s friday, march first. Oh, i very much hope that you were with me last week. It would cause me mortal pain to hear that you had missed donor-centric j love is the ceo of bloomerang we talked about holding on to the donors, you’ve got because it’s much cheaper here, cheaper and easier to keep a donor than to replace one. Jay had strategies to help you and maria’s sites maria simple, our prospect research contributor and the prospect finder kept up her reputation as doi n of dirt cheap and free sites she reviewed donorsearch and list select this week. Press pause juliet fundez, a consultant to fortune one hundred companies on a motivational business speaker. She wants you to make time in your life for white space. You’ll be less stressed, more creative, sleep better and be more productive. Your relationships will flourish. She has a kid’s version too she’s, the daughter of candid cameras, allen funt and we’ll enjoy a white space together. I hope she’s gonna let me do that with her and divine devices desktops, laptops, tablets and handhelds scott koegler has tips for picking the right device to fit your monthly budget, your budget, whether it’s monthly or annual, your work style and your personality. He’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, and he’s, our monthly tech contributor that’s, an archive feature from august seventeenth of last year that means it’s old but it’s good and worth rehearing between the guests on tony’s take two, i contribute to the non-profit the fund-raising for non-profits blawg, and i’ll share what i’m doing over there. My pleasure right now to welcome juliette fund for more than ten years, she has worked with organizations to flow the norms of business for the better she’s, a nationally recognized expert in coping with the age of overload in which we all live and work as a busy corporate speaker and consultant, business owner, wife and mother, she practices on a daily basis. The white space concept that she will share with us generally actually prefer to have hypocrites on the show who who have advice for others but don’t use it themselves. So juliet, we’ll see what happens you’ve already heard you’ve already hurt her, chuckling. I love it with us. From los angeles, i’m pleased to welcome juliette fund. How are you, julia? My pleasure. Thank you for for a sharing time with us and your expertise? Um, what’s the problem, juliette, that white space is supposed to be helping us with it’s, the daily overload and the way that we all sit down to our work in the beginnings of the day. And we have grand aspirations for doing a lot of things. And then we end up segueing into reactivity through the entire day. Because there is this task assault for most people, where they sit down at their desk or their laptop or wherever they work. And suddenly the world floods in and the rails are ideas about what would have been good. What would have been a nice way to spend the day and then there’s all sorts of other tangential problems that occur because of that overload. And that task assault problems that ding us in the areas of productivity and engagement and creativity. Then the friends, he kind of takes place and continues at home in our brains. Where were you with our families with sleeping while we’re trying to have what we used. To call a weekend and so we have a hard time separating from it, and the problems that it provides in the work week are only then amplified by the way that it makes us stressing guilty about the way that we can do what we want to do when we were with our loved ones. So it’s, really, when we do white space work, we always tag back and forth. Although most of our businesses around business there’s really a lot of personal applications well and what are some of the impacts of this task overload? Well, people are just plain stressed to begin with, they’re not as engaged. They don’t feel good about their day at the end of it because they have an accomplish what they hoped, and we see creativity scores going down actually, for the last eighteen years, that’s not only task overload causing it, but both adults and children are you seeing creativity scores go down and down and down and that’s a bad pairing with what we see on the business sign, which is that fifteen hundred ceo that ibm just creativity is the most important leadership competency of our future that’s on one side on the other side, our ideas, they’re just withering in front of this constant motion and constant dizziness. We just can’t have ideas in that environment. I hate that feeling you mentioned once or twice at the end of a day, or even even just the end of an hour where it’s it’s not i didn’t do what i had hoped to do in that hour or that day, right? Well, we can’t seem to regain control in a business environment. A lot of it has to do with what i call the four horsemen of the apocalypse, which is email power point travel in calendar who’s the basic elements what did you what did you call it? The four horsemen of what the corporal corporal apocalypse we call corp aka lips. Okay, but incorporate or in a non-profit er, if you’re a solo printer, wherever you are, usually your meeting calendar in some form another, even if those meetings or just conference calls or and your email and they need to be producing decks of some kind and the perfection around those decks and travel or calendar management, those consolidated areas tend to be the biggest pain. Points. But there’s also a lot below them. You didn’t mention texting. Should we have four horsemen of five horsemen? Actually, should we have, like, a dozen horses, really be its own horseman? I tend to focus on email because if we really had to find one bad guy for most of us in terms of time ravaging, it would be the power point deck. You know that thing? That thing just eats at me. I miss transparencies and little little find markers that we used to write with on the those big, bulky, noisy overhead projectors. Yeah, i missed a little. Those little transparency, those little acid tate sheets. I’m talking king. I mean, i miss just going into somebody’s office and saying, i got an idea. Can i bounce it off you for five minutes now, people say, come back to me with the deck and then people go off twenty seven versions and take all week and see, i think in some way are verbal skills are after seeing because they keep going back to let me write a deck. Let me write a deck it’s also getting in the way of just being able to say let me scope this out for you. And then, if it’s worthwhile, let me spend half of my work was riding it. I also miss those overhead projectors. Because i was one of the few kids in high school who knew how to change the bulb. Specially made me very well. Yes, thank you. So, do you recognize that so quickly? We’ll have been together for a few minutes. Yeah, maybe very popular among the faculty att the high school. So we’re going to we want to press pause. I know. That’s, your phrase. Press pause. Are we scheduling this time what’s our logistics for preparing for whitespace. Okay, so the first thing we have to do is understand what white spaces. So what white faces is either an improvisational or a scheduled period of time or thought that we do whatever we want with that we reserve for the area for which we have no plans. It is that flexible, fluid, open thinking time and pausing time that we used to have more of. And then once we have it, there’s quite a lot of ways that we can implement it, that the most important thing is to lace. Our days through with these small pauses. So, for instance, we have executives who will take. I just got off the phone yesterday, hearing about someone who blocks two to four hours of thinking time each day on their schedule. Well, that must be a very low level person who has nothing to do, right? Well, no, it’s, not and that’s what’s. So funny. Sure. Have you no, nothing, no ability to plan their days. And the higher up the chain you go, the more the luxury item of time to think is something that we have discretionary choice but that’s. Quite a grand white. Yeah, too, right? Yeah. That’s. Quite grand. Um, white space can be taken in little sips like a glass of water you keep on your desk and you just take little sips through the course of the day is breathe and paws. We’ll be in and longer periods where you grab a half an hour an hour that’s on your calendar and defended and premeditated. And during that time, you sit back and really just let the mind go as it will. They’re one of wonderful things about it. It’s really nimble and once people have the word white space and they added to the lexicon of their life then they find ways to you that maybe aren’t even what i would prescribe it’s just reminding them over and over that space is not the enemy and that word itself being in your language reminds you that space is not the enemy, so this can be improvised or planned improvisation doing an improvisational, he sounds like fun, like you could just say, i don’t have anything to do for a couple of minutes. I’m goingto what would you say? I’m gonna have a white space? Or do we want special? There’ll never be anybody who ever meet at their place of work and says, i don’t have anything to do for a couple of minutes unfortunately mean that, well, a call mike that canceled or somebody might be running late and you find yourself in it happens, yeah, that’s that’s true, we call that forced white face when your system to reboot or someone’s later, you’re upleaf unfortunately, because of our handheld devices usually weaken gobble that time right back-up the second we have an elevator ride or waiting for a dentist or any moment. Of unaccounted time. The cellphone and smartphone will allow us to immediately insert technology fix into that cause the white space, even in those times, needs to be a choice and needs to be purpose. Okay? Yeah. And moments of forced white space when you’re when the world makes you wait when the world makes you stop, that is a beautiful place to just abstain on purpose from filling mindlessly with the next little thing. You could be checking off your list. Yes, right, right. Even when it’s not on your list, you check. Checking now. Having this list, mirage that we’re just going to keep checking things off. And then one day we’re gonna open our list in-kind flank. You know it? Never. It never is going to happen, right? Never is. I’m sorry to be the purveyor of bad news, but no that’s, not that’s. Not coming any time soon. It’s list it’s a relationship emotionally that we have with the list of the constant work in progress that that’s more important in terms of grabbing white space. But i can give you if you like a few simple applications of where white people live. Yes, we’re going. To take a break. First, though, juliette. Okay, andi, when we come back, of course you’ll stay with us and hope everyone else does, too, will have a little live listen in love, and we’re going to try. We’re going to try a white space, we’re going to do, ah, a short, white space. 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I love wasilla that is the hometown, or at least to the town where sarah palin was was mayor and then she became governor. That’s wasilla. So, if, if you know sarah, give her our regards, but if you don’t, we know wasilla live, listener, love all those places, and juliet fund, have a little. I have a little love for you, a little guest love. If you hold on one second, we’re goingto, hopefully, this is gonna work standby. Yeah, i might call you when i first moved in. This is just one funny story. Uh, i have a drugstore and a woman ran in. She was absolutely beside us off. Her husband had reached for the wrong box on the medicine cabinet and taken poison by mistake. That’s a funny story. He was home on the floor like kicking, you know, when turning blue and everything. It was a real emergency. She needed an anti dote desperately and was a very tough situation. And it turns out the druggist was allen funt. That is that is woody allen on the jack paar show from december nineteen sixty two. Well, woody allen was on candid camera a couple times. He was one of them. He did it sketch about dictating a letter to his secretary. He was dictating a love letter to one of the greatest candid camera bits of all time. Oh, excellent. Before his before, he was widely so widely known and recognized. Yes, when he was really cool. Hoexter figuring it out. Excellent. I found that clip and i would hope you have some fun with it dahna great let’s. Say, all right, so what’s, our next step leading up, tio, we’re going to do maybe a twenty second white white space to get. Well, it seems like getting the grammar right and helping you there is probably gonna work. It takes some white space or we have some white space has its way. If we were to have some white face on the show, i would first need to give you a little tiny primer of what it is and what it is not. And then we could do some time. Dwight. Space, if you like. Okay, i thought. We’d do it for, like, twenty seconds or so. Great. Okay, no way would have won. I’m sorry. We would have won twenty seven it’s. Ok. Well, that and that’s. Wonderful. Because one of the things that i said about white faces, people just go with it where they want. So if you want to take a white space that’s just fine with me, the butt white spaces, not meditation. And this is one of the most important things, especially with a mindful audience to explain, because if we say let’s, do twenty seconds of white space in a few minutes, we people will not know what to do with their brain during that period of time because it’s, a foreign thing and what they’ll think they’re doing is meditating. And i need to just give you the primer of the difference. So meditation is about taking your mind and disciplining it to return over and over to a single point of focus, whether it’s breath or a guided thought or something along your candle. Now, the the analogy i use is that meditation is like taking your dog for a walk on a leash and you keep saying hell hell hell, you’re pulling it back to this concentrated point of focus. White space is like taking your dog for a walk and you take the leech off and you hit him on the button. You say go white space is about freedom of thought, improvisation of thought, and it has no parameters of what the mind is supposed to be doing. In fact, that’s how we ebb and flow around and end up a creative places is that we’re not on a driven reasoning agenda in which the mind thinks differently than when it has this freedom. So if we were going to do twenty seconds of white space, what we would ask everybody to do it, stop multi tasking for a minute, which they’re probably doing stop that, put all that stuff down, put both feet on the floor and take things out of your hands and just we would weaken time twenty seconds and just let them see how it feels. Let your mind go, okay? And i’m goingto participate, so i’m going to ask sam. Sam is not gonna get away space because he has the time to twenty seconds. Otherwise i’ll be looking to stop. Watching i want my mind won’t be frito race. And andi, i like the analogy of being hit on the butt too, with the newspaper. Okay, you know, before you do it’s great that you said the word race because just so you know, in your early stages of discovering whitespace, whatyou will mostly experience is just the blender of your mind. You know, you stopped the blender and all the stuff that keeps going rahr. So you just be probably thinking about what you have to do next and that’s pretty typical, but just see if there could be a little freedom or exploration and they’re not guided just free. Okay? All right. So sam is going to top janis. Janis will tap me on the knee when twenty seconds are up. And listeners, i hope you’re taking this to heart where we’re going toe. We’re gonna have a white space. Alright on, don’t we? Can i keep my eyes open? You can’t do anything right? It doesn’t matter because we’re not meditating. Okay, okay, why don’t we start sam? All right, that is our twenty second white space that we just shared its okay to share await space, right way. That goal is for individual team or organizational used so you can be on a person, a person level or larger and, you know, it’s funny as we’re having white space, what was occurring to me was if i could tell a little personal thing, i have three little kids and their little so i don’t go out much in the evenings, and i’m starting to do this new thing, which is wednesday night is mommy’s night, and mommy goes out and see it’s, i’ll go out of seven and see later, go to bed with daddy and it’s, a very new thing. When you’re very, uh, into your little kids, we tend to say, i tend to be home every night for bedtime. No, i was i this wednesday was just my third wednesday, and i sat there in the cargo have no idea what to do with myself. I am free, and i have no clue which direction i stephen drive and so the analogy that often people have a little white space and they just they sit in the car. Just i have no clue where they will go with it. And what i find them believed that the more we take it, the more there will be clarity in terms of what it should feel like. But that little twenty seconds is all it takes in between a meeting getting out of a car, finishing a tough emotion. Just those pauses. Mine was can i share mine? Okay, yeah. I went back to meeting someone. Who’s been a friend for years on dh. When we first met on the a train here in here in the city, i was on that. I don’t know why i was thinking of subway. And then i went to this meeting to meeting this dear friend alice who’s been on the show. Um and she’s been on and she’s been a friend for years. I don’t know. For some reason, i went back to that meeting her on the a train. And in addition to the pleasure of white space, the creativity benefit. I believe that when we left the mind, go in the nooks and crannies that it feels like maybe you start thinking about the subway and then you start thinking about alice, and then you remember that alice loved apple pie, and then you remember that apple pie has a double crust and you think, oh, my gosh, i’ve been trying to invent things for our computers skin that were inventing and it’s a double cross that’s the analogy that being and then suddenly you’re in the ah ha moment on that’s you can’t know where it’s going to lead and that’s part of the benefit on beautiful creativity that we’re lacking that were that were definitely hurting in and, you know, we’re hurting in a lot of organisational whitespace aspects to i don’t know how many of your listeners go to a place where lots of other people go during the day, but even the silliness of scheduling meetings from three to four and then the meeting that follows it from four to five in a different location, you have to be on star trek to go from that thing together. I don’t know how you do that, so that ten transitional minutes of white space in between two meetings allows an infinite amount of thought and rest and break to occur that that then leads to so many other wonderful things, so they’re khun b time centric white space, mind centric white space it’s, very nimble let’s talk a little bit about well and let me remind listeners i’m with juliet fund and she’s, a consultant to fortune one hundred companies and motivational business speaker as well as consultant, and you’ll find her at juliet j u l e t front a few anti dot com let’s talk a little bit about white space with kids your time with kids what’s what’s your message there. Well, it’s important to know that there’s a pretty strong separation in terms of when we’re doing whitespace for business. We don’t talk about whitespace for kids, but i have a personal passion about the fact that most children these days are busier than any fortune five hundred ceos, so and they’re incredibly starved for white space. They are incredibly starved for this improvisational creative time where we i’m saying, we don’t know exactly how old you are. Forty six we used to go out in the backyard and we just make stuff up for hours and and we made dragons and dinosaurs and demons out of nothing and in our minds, and that happened because of the vacuum of planned activity. They don’t have that now they go from thing to thing, to flute, to spanish soccer toe homework to karate to dinner to grip, and they’re always on their little mission. So it is a huge passion of mine to help families reclaim that unstructured time. Help adults figure out how to model in front of children that every second is not supposed to be a moment of activity and productivity and construct ihe vitti to just have some moments where there’s just open this, um, even the weekend for average families. You know, a lot of times the dad wakes up, and as soon as his eyes are open, his brain is flooded with the home version of his things to do list he’s got to do the gutters, he’s gotta do that duct tape. That piece of the whole he’s got theirs got all that and the woman is organizing in garage, failing and multitasking and going to birthdays and retirement party that we weak blood our weekends just as much as we blood our business day, and we don’t have enough family time where? We look at each other and just say when we feel like doing it’s like nothing, we feel like doing something spontaneous, i think there’s great interpersonal thing that we’re taking for that, um, how do we say no to the kids who want to be going from soccer’s flute, teo tennis? Well, there’s, two types of kids there’s kids that want teo and the kids that are being pushed to and in our, you know, very strange, obsessive progress these days from kindergarten to college, people are obsessed with their kids being forward, moving and the best of everything, and you know, they’re they’re working on their little resumes when they’re at the happy turtle preschool, making sure that they’re going to be in harvard someday. So, first of all, there’s a lot of mind changing that needs to happen in terms of letting kids be kids in my personal opinion and not necessarily cramming their brain full of so much learning so early, so they want to give them the force. Two kids, a lot of kids are doing a lot of activity simply because some adult thinks that it would be good eventually on their resume or just to make them quote unquote well rounded or smart or advance or impressive or something, those kids are very easy to remove activities from because they’re the ones going. Please, please, please, i don’t want to go to piano, please, please, please, i don’t want to learn japanese, they’re already saying, stop. Um, the kids who do have a great zest for life and they want a lot has to be disciplined the same way that we latto cookies and we say no to a screen time and we say no to a lot of heart things that they want at a certain time, and sometimes a glut of activity is not healthy in the same way that he died of all sugar is not healthy. How did growing up a cz the daughter of a celebrity inform your your work now? That’s such a fascinating question, you know i’m against on a baseline level, i’ve always been used to being in front of people on some level, so the early chops just becoming someone who was comfortable stepping up on stage and proffering opinions and performing and all that just came pretty easily to me. Um, i think it also let me get into the space of a lot of people’s heads because growing up on a diet of candid camera was, on one subtle level, all about the human condition, candid cameras, very funny, but in my particular case, i was growing up with an amateur anthropologist who wanted nothing more than to just keep looking at people. And what do people do and what do people think? And it became a part of my wiring to always be enquiring and studying, and i think this particular celebrity, with his particular expertise, ended up having a daughter who then was just constantly fascinated with people and that that’s good for a consultant and a speaker and a person who’s coming up with thoughts that might help other people, because if you create that all on your own dad without really, really paying attention to people, you can get very far off course. What else do you want to share about your work that that i haven’t asked you, juliette? Well, i think that we can’t we’re talking about the people that are probably in your lerner the listener population very, very committed to the mission doing the work for sure heart were talking before about them working at eleven o’clock at night, working after work is over, and this this profile e-giving loving non-profit professional is so classic, and unfortunately, it does tend to be a profile that lends itself strongly to skipping white one because it simply consolidating the jobs of many people and doing a second job, if you will, after the job, but also because when you lied from your heart, it’s, easy to make your own self care last and just keep giving and giving and giving. And so with those kind of folks, i’m always really focusing on boundaries where the lines after which e-giving mohr is actually not giving more. Where is it actually taking away from your levels of presence and enthusiasm and excellence to the people that you’re giving to and that’s a very delicate balance for if i understand the focus correctly in your audience, it’s a very delicate balance. Now i think you understand very well. Yeah, um summarized for us what? You’ve alluded to a lot of this, but what is it that really just makes you wake up in the morning that you love about? The work you’re doing well, what makes you wake up in the morning if my kids what i love about the work that i’m doing, actually, physically, literally, what makes me wake up in the morning is my kids. But what i love about the work that i’m doing is that it is a you said something with an antidote and oh, it was the woody allen clip about an antidote. It is such an antidote to this heavy we wait problem that is laying on top of so many people were almost forgetting, like some group memory, that we’re losing the probability that the the possibility that the day can include sips of pausing and daydreaming and thinking and recuperation, and we’re kind of co creating this reality where that’s not even possible. So what i love about white space is the opposite and it’s the anti message, and i think people are really hungry for it and it’s fun to talk to them about it because they light up instantly and they say, oh, my gosh, my organization could have a little more of that old fashioned thinking time we could do so much and it’s it’s, i get to be in a role where i am giving them permission very exciting. Give them permission to go back to something that they find so intuitive and that they need so badly. Julia funt is a comm insult in’t and motivational speaker and you’ll find her at juliet fund that calm juliette, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. Thanks so much. Tony was really fun. It’s been a pleasure. Thank you. I want to send live listener love. We got more domestic and foreign live listener love waterford, ireland, hong kong cheung ching, china, shanghai, china teo teo to the chinese knee. How? Seoul, korea. Young son, korea i say yo haserot to denver, colorado, new bern, north carolina in brooklyn, new york, what’s going on. I love live listener love right now we go away for a brief moment, and when we come back, it’s tony’s, take two and then divine devices with scott koegler stay with me co-branding think tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding. You’re listening to the talking alternate network, get anything? Thing. Good. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications? 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How about some more live listener love before we go into this clip from from scott koegler what pocket wisconsin i love the w w wa baka wisconsin, new york new york finally calling would new jersey hello hello, kobe, japan in izawa, japan, tokyo, japan welcome konnichi wa and here’s the clip from scott koegler from last august divine devices we had a listener joined since the last live listener love. And so before i bring scott in, i want to say hello to serbia. Hello, serbia. Scott koegler how are you? I’m good. Tony, how you doing? Great. You’re not survey, are you? Uh, serbia? No. No, i don’t think so. No, we have taken a wrong turn. We travelling to south carolina today, so but i think when you’re in the carolina, you’re in south carolina. Scott koegler, of course, our regular tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news, which you will find that end p tech news dot com and this months we’re talking about devices. Scott there’s tablets, there’s, laptops, desktops, handhelds. How do we figure out what the heck is good for us? Yeah. Kinda never extend, isn’t it? I used to be a pretty straight decision between desktops and laptops and that’s for real work. Those air still kind of the main options. But today, you know, you get, uh, tablets. And bones everywhere from three and a half inches, ten point, one inches long sighs and pretty much they’ll do all the same thing. But also pretty much all that same thing is, is usually less then, you know, real work, another one generally don’t have keyboards and those kind of things. So what kind of segment into those two categories? First, before you portable before you, scott. Before you do that, i want to point out, we know that you are the tech contributor, because you don’t just say screen size up to ten inches, you say up to ten point one, that extra tenth of an inch makes a difference. We’ve got to be precise. This is technology was the record, demands precision, and scott is the man who delivers it. Okay, i’m sorry, but it’s in a in a in interruption. Go ahead. So, again, in the form of unity passes on the kind of work you need to do obviously gonna be sitting in the office you can use either left up there and that that decision, general, i have to call back. Scott scott scott, stop for a minute. I’ll tell you what, you’re cutting out kind of badly. Give us a call back on the same number, but eight. One, eight, three, right? You know the number, but yours eighty one, eighty three. Okay. And while scott is calling back, i’ve got some more live listener love. Hopefully, he he taps quickly on those on the phone. Who else you got? Pittsburgh. Oh, i mentioned pittsburgh, germany. Okay. Um, new york city, new york, new york. Excellent. Finally, somebody from new york. How come nobody from new jersey? Where is my mother? My mother and father are not listening to this show right now unless they’re in lutherville, timonium, maryland. But i don’t think that’s them. I believe my mother and father are not listening. And ah, and this week is there my mom’s birthday and their anniversary? And i’m going out there and they’re not listening to the show. You believe that? I mean, i may not go. I mean, go school. We got scott back. Excellent. Scott, i don’t hear him. We have scott in the system. Scott o dial tone that never sounds good. Do i have to start and punishing my mother again? There he is. There he is. Okay. I’d rather talk to scott than admonish my mother. I’ll do that over the weekend. Okay, you’re going to break down our devices for us into two categories. I believe right. Let’s start with just desktop laptop as one category. And having said that, both of those generally well, i think, almost always have keyboards and keyboard is really key to the kind of things that people generally call work in an office or longfield but, you know, involves writing text using the keyboard for american trees and things like that and those air really much more suited to that kind of work than our, uh, tablets and cell phones and those kind of things. So, uh, the soft virtual keyboards that appear on tablets and phones were pretty well. But if you really need to get a lot done, you’re better off just having a keyboard under your hands. Uh, just, you know, more accurate. Better. Sure, sure. So it really depends on what you’re what you’re you’re functions are what you were like. What? Your goals are for the hardware, right? Exactly. Exactly. So let’s, just talk about the difference in key and, uh, laptops and desktops. One of the key difference of differences. There is the price. So the best tops are generally less expensive than laptops for a similar amount of power just because miniaturization that it is required to make a laptop cost extra money. Okay, i was wonder why the bigger one is less generally. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, because, you know, they don’t care about the size. They’re just, you know, stuff all that stuff in there and stick it on the floor. So, uh, so that’s kind of one way to do that. So if you’ve got b b funds and you don’t need the larger screen that’s also available generally with a desktop, then you might want to opt for laptop because obviously it’s it’s portable and you can take it with you if you’re not always working at your desk. You khun move it. Otherwise other places taken home, take it on a on a scent or something like that. So there’s a difference there, of course. Sure, what else? Well, what about software availability? Well, software is always a key and a lot of software, especially non-profit kind of things are going to run on generally, windows happened windows operating systems, so that may even exclude using a mad uh, you need to really check your your software course. If you’re using a cloud based application, then you, khun pretty much use any kind of operating system doesn’t matter whether it’s windows or or mac or even kind of linux operating system. Very you make a very good point about what what platforms are supported by fund by applications that are important to you, there’s one that i using planned giving that does not support the apple os. So i have to have a programme called parallels on my apple computer to run windows just for that one program, but it is essential, right? Right, see that sometimes will dictate what you’ve done. And of course, once you’ve done that, not only have you spent more of your apple computer, but you spent more for the parallels, right? Exactly. So now you you know, you really enough there. So you really need to decide what’s most important to you, okay? And i i kind of touched on one of the reasons for getting a laptop, and that is the portability. And so now we start to talk about okay? What kind of jobs are you going to use that require portability? Uh, one that i think i said was that’s going to an event? Laptop is good if you’re going to have a table inside here. But if you’re going to be wandering around the event and you want to interact with people, take pictures uh, maybe do email sign ups for your newsletters. Those kind of things, uh, a tablet is probably the perfect device for that kind of thing. A smartphone, probably a little bit less than perfect, although you can certainly do those things. But again, you get smaller keyboard, you know much a little bit more difficult to use quickly. Okay? And there’s so many tablets out there. Besides, the ipad is the google nexus and the microsoft surface. Samsung has one, i think the galaxy i mean there’s so many. Tablets? Yeah, there’s a huge variety. In fact, while apples still dominates with the ipad, i just survey that the android operating system, which is what’s, used in pretty much every tablet except apple and the new windows tablet. Uh, so android is outselling apple. I’m a poor unit basis, so it just kind of the interesting. Yeah, so it doesn’t say if any better or worse generally means it’s less expensive, the devices, they’re less expensive. Okay, um, but at the same time, i’ve heard from a lot of people that it’s the application that counts, you know, if you can get to the internet and you can access the functions that you need, it really doesn’t matter. So look at your budget, see what it is that you need those the system that you’re looking at support the function you need and within your budget. Then go ahead and buy it, you know, they pretty much all work okay and the features on not necessarily just sticking with tablets, but just across all of them. I was looking i was when i was researching our segment on dh i actually do research. I know it doesn’t sound like it, but actually do research for the show and prepare the show. I found something the iphone headphones, you know, the white headphones that you get, and they have a little tiny panel on them built into the built into the wire and there’s there’s tend, i found a site that there are an article had ten different things that you could do with that little with that little panel like you, khun, if you tap the middle of it two times that’s to pick up a phone call, for instance, or, like, tap it once and that’ll put a put a phone call through to voicemail when you’re getting if you’re getting a call while you’re listening, and if you skip a song, you do a triple tap or what? It’s incredible just on this tiny little skinny panel the features on that are available, right, there’s? One more hidden one if you stand on your head and you stick it dunaj it’ll actually call your mother, okay? I don’t really appreciate sarcasm on this show. This’s i play things pretty straight. Pretty close to the vest. Now. Watch, watch. You know, sarcasm is a very dangerous thing. Uh but you know that point there’s there are many features on many systems, computers and even software, and the rule of thumb is eighty twenty, just like, you know, eighty, twenty rules where, uh, eighty percent of the people used twenty percent of the function. Yeah, just like you have an iphone, right? I do have that i do, and you’d never do those things. No, i didn’t know that i could ignore it. Incoming call buy-in long pressing the center button twice, so you know, i just i just usually hang up on it, but you know, you can do that. Yes, i’ve noticed, okay, what, we’re going to take a break. So when you were little chuckle mode here we’ll take a break, but i want to send more live listener love it’s it’s pouring in san angelo, texas, san diego, california, rockville center, new york. Welcome, welcome, welcome. We’re talking to scott koegler, the regular regular tech contributor about divine devices were going to keep talking about that subject. Maybe not with scott koegler might hang up on him after this break. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. 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And and how much do you want them to learn? How much extra time do you want have put in on finding out things that they may never use? Uh, there’s a big difference between buying a computer to operate your business and one for your personal life. I generally try to minimize the expense and the feature set of business computers because typically i you know, i’ve been unemployed. I need them to do three things for maybe five, generally, not twenty. And if i find buying something for myself on much more liberal in terms of the kinds of features and even the amount of money that i don’t want to spend interesting that’s an important distinction. Yeah, you don’t want to be thinking about you don’t want to be making that crossover. Yeah, this is this’s for other people to be using to be efficient in your business. Yep, exactly. And also, in terms of employees, abilities there, maybe training costs, but actually be hard costs not only in time, but but if, if the saw if the hardware is very different, i mean, you could end up having to pay somebody like the network it all together and then to train employees to operate the network and then as well as operate the devices exactly you want to make. It is standardized, as you can within the organization, so that one person could get up and walk in, walk to another computer and do the same job and not have to relearn. You know where the tabs on where the keyboard that’s, one of the things that happens between pieces and max, although it’s it’s less it’s less of an issue anymore. But, you know, the key and the maki kind of get confusing. Sometimes your people that try to make that transition, even though the actual applications may run exactly think yeah, yeah, i see that because my my office computing, his apple and all my clients use windows. And i do a lot of work in my client’s offices. Eso well, i’m and i have special challenges anyway, but talk about that’s a different show. Okay, there are you have some ideas for sites where we can find reviews. I love reading user reviews. I love that that the web enables that. Well, there’s two things that i would recommend one is just seen at dot com, which is not really user reviews, but they are there. I’m not going to say that professionally generated reviews, they’re actually automatically generated reviews, so they’re standardized. How they do that automatically is a whole other topic. Argast i used i used that scene. That site, those air not well, there you are, right. I knew they weren’t user reviews, but there isn’t a live person writing these things. Generally, not somebody looks at, um uh, really? Uh, yeah, they are actually generated by automated system. Okay, they pull your pretty well, um, i’m not sure right now they do a good job, but the other is just, uh, just do a search online for a review of this type in review. And then in the name of the product that you’re looking for. And, of course, the good part. About that is that you will get a just a huge list of possible reviews. The bad part is that most of them will be completely blow this schnoll and badly written so you never really know, you know, right now does like amazon dot com and you could you could go to amazon and read reviews, but not necessarily buy the product from amazon. Do that. Do you know if they do, you have to be legitimate user to review a product on amazon. Do you know you have to? You have to register on amazon, but you don’t actually have to have purchased the product. Okay, so that kind of, you know, in-kind negates some of the reliability hoexter tenses suggest that the credibility is not as high as it. What to be? Okay, right. Okay. But there are lots of consider. Well, there’s consumer reports. Yes. Yes. There are some, uh, some reliable reporting, you know, agencies, they used to be quite a quite a few more. In fact, i used to do computer and software reviews when i was doing, you know, muchmore freelance writing. Um, but, uh, those reviews have have gone away in favor. Of user reviews, you know, personally, i don’t think they’re coy’s reliable is my own my own wonderful ladies. Yeah, well, i can tell you and there’s probably a reason you’re not in that business any longer. Exactly. Yeah. All right. But now, you know, consumer reports, i subscribe to them for a year. I think i think it’s thirty dollars for a year and you can access all their online. Not not to the written subscription, but for the online. I mean, i go to them when i’m going to spend, i don’t know, like more than a couple hundred dollars on something. I go to consumer reports. Sure, their objective. They don’t have advertising. They don’t take advertising dollars. Yeah, so all right. Wait just another minute. A half or so before break before we wrap up. Scott, what else do you want? What else did i i keep you from saying i think, really the most important issue is, you know, people always asked, you know, help me buy a computer and i pretty much always start out with what’s your budget. Because it’s pretty easy to start looking and then, you know, feature creep sets them. And know what’s another fifty dollars here, what’s another hundred years there. And all of a sudden, you know that six hundred dollars desktop computer that i would actually do a wonderful job for you terms into a you know, fifteen hundred dollar laptop with, you know who knows what kinds of extra features agree. Okay, same thing is renovating. Same thing is renovating your bathroom. Your kitchen? Yes. Yes, exactly. Don’t you don’t need the stainless steel pulls on the kitchen drawers when? When grass will do just fine. Right? Alright. Hi, grayce. Okay. Excellent. Scott. Good time today. Thank you very much. Thanks for being on. Scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find it n p tech news. Dot com. Thanks very much, scott figure and my thanks, of course. Also to juliet fund guest earlier. Um, let’s. See, next week, diane lansing. Principle of lansing associates. She’s she’s. Not going to talk about integrating your marketing and communications and using analytics to measure your short and long term outcomes. Also, maria simple returns seems like she was just here. That was the really a simple show, but she’s, the prospect finder and our prospect research contributor not the host of the show frequent contributor and we’re going to talk with i’ll talk with her about recommendations for upcoming conferences live listener love, we got one left mexico city, mexico hola, welcome mexico! 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