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Nonprofit Radio for August 17, 2012: Grow Grassroots & Devine Devices

Big Nonprofit Ideas for the Other 95%

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Michael O'Brien
Michael O’Brien: Grow Grassroots

Michael O’Brien, founder and principal of mob advocacy, knows how to bring people to your cause with grassroots advocacy. How do you activate people? What are grass tops and how do you engage them? Where can you go to meet potential coalition partners? What’s the value added for your work?

 
 

Scott Koegler
Scott Koegler: Devine Devices

Desktops, laptops, tablets and handhelds. Scott Koegler has tips for picking the right device to fit your budget, work style and personality. He’s the editor of Nonprofit Technology News and our monthly tech contributor.

 
 


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No. Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent it’s august seventeenth. Oh, how i wish and i hope that you were with me last week i couldn’t stand knowing that you had missed last week’s show working with your small organization board what’s special about working with small shop boards, we talked about setting expectations, recruiting, training fund-raising and assessing your boards capabilities. My guests from fund-raising day twenty twelve were terry billy from the hudson river museum, wendy no adele from yonkers partners and education, and lisa rob, executive director of the new york state council on the arts. Also see the smart cr m system, constituent relationship management. You’ve got constituents, employees, donors, volunteers, clients and vendors. How do you manage your relationships with them? What’s the impact on your prospect management maria simple, the prospect finder and our regular prospect research contributor, had lots of ideas last week, as she always does this week grow grassroots. Michael o’brien, founder and principal of mob advocacy, knows how to bring people to your cause with grassroots advocacy. How do you activate people who are the grass tops and how do? You engage them, and where do you go to meet potential coalition partners, what’s, the value added for your work. All of that, with michael o’brien. Also divine devices, desktops, laptops, tablets, handhelds. Scott koegler has tips for picking the right device to fit your budget, work, style and personality. He’s, the editor of non-profit technology news in our regular monthly tech contributor. Between the guests on tony’s take to help me out and get a free book. My book. I’d appreciate your help with a three minute survey, and i’ll say more about that on tony’s, take two. Use the hashtag non-profit radio on twitter to join the conversation with us there. As always, we take a break, and then when we return, it’s grow grass roots with michael o’brien, stay with me. You didn’t think that shooting getting dink, dink, dink, dink, you’re listening to the talking alternative network waiting to get in. Dahna good joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city in pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller emotional freedom, and greg brayden will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve, save the dates. Judith orloff, october eighteenth and greg brady in november ninth and tenth. For early bird tickets, visit metaphysical center of newjersey dot order, or h a n j dot net. Hi, i’m donna, and i’m done were certified mediators, and i am a family and couples licensed therapists and author of please don’t buy me ice cream are show new beginnings is about helping you and your family recover financially and emotionally and start the beginning of your life. We’ll answer your questions on divorce, family, court, co, parenting, personal development, new relationships, blending families and more. Dahna and i will bring you to a place of empowerment and belief that even though marriages may end, families are forever. Join us every monday, starting september tenth at ten a m on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio where else you’re going to hear those kinds of ideas? Nowhere. Michael o’brien is my guest. He is the founder and principal of mob advocacy, a multi state government relations firm that focuses on helping small businesses and non-profits manage legislative and regulatory processes, he has over ten years of experience managing state and local government relations and political programmes. Michael has launched many national grassroots advocacy campaigns that have impacted legislation and policy at both the state and federal levels. Michael brian, welcome to the show. Thank you. Good afternoon, it’s. A good afternoon to you. I’m glad you’re with us. Well, let’s, let’s define grassroots advocacy. So we know everybody’s starting in the same place. Sure. I define grassroots advocacy as engaging regular people that the typical constituent in order to impact public policy or public opinion. Okay, go ahead. Is there more, uh, just to say that it varies from what’s considered direct lobbying, which is ah lot more heavily regulated and requires, uh, registration process with either the state federal or local government. Right. Okay. But it goes it. Could be that, but we’re going. We’re going to talk about the doing it. The grassroots with the with the average joe, the average right and the average jane. Also, jane is welcome to participate as well. Um all right. How does this, uh, grassroots advocacy? How can it help? Small charities? I think there’s three ways that, uh, grassroot dad? Because he helped out small charities. One, uh, i think grassroots advocacy is often essential to organizational missions. Uh, it’s. Hard to think of. Ah, oven issue out there. That’s not impacted by local, state or federal legislation or regulatory process. Uh, so it’s important for your organization to be involved. Second, it’s. A great way to engage volunteers and donors. Small amount profits are asking people to give money. Um, you know, off all the time, you know, four, five times a year in order to be successful. That has to be part of the process. But it is important to provide some different different ways for volunteers to get involved in different ways for them to have an impact other than giving money. And this is a great way to be okay. And this actually i know. You have another way, but this actually could lead to someone becoming a donor so they might come to your cause and sign a petition or do things that we’re going to talk about and then become a donor down the road absolutely small, small, just like small donors become big donors, small advocates become big donors and, you know, those top advocate said that organization’s looking for ok and even you know, that could become small donors because then small donors have become big donors, has become big donor it’s all part of a spectrum? Absolutely. Then big donors could continue to become grassroots advocates, but they wouldn’t go back to being small donors way. Hope not. No, no, that wouldn’t happen. Okay, and then what’s the other. What else is this important? The third way. It’s. A great way to find new supporters. Er, you know, for for volunteers, donors even those on the on the, uh whose responsibilities include fund-raising it’s sometimes hard to ask somebody who’s brand new to an organization to get money but it’s easy to say. Hey, can you spare five minutes in and send an email to your to your legislator? Can you spare five minutes and signed this petition it’s an easy ask. And once you get those people involved in your organization, you know, they have some kind of interest because they they took that step and got involved. And so it’s a good way to increase your your your database and gives opportunities to call the-whiny-donor further, i love that easy, easy entry point and then also can help new entrance introduce your cause to their friends as well, who who may very well be sympathetic. Absolutely cool. Okay, um, and so you’ve seen this make make a real change. I mean, this really can impact policy and funding in things. I mean, absolutely, i don’t i can’t think of a of a major advocacy campaign that that i’ve been involved with that didn’t have grassroots as as a key part of that, uh, lawmakers, they listened the lobbyists all day long, and they know there’s a bent out there, but when it when it hits home, when their constituents are calling in or sending emails saying, hey, you know, take a look at this that’s that’s when it really hits home, when when it’s people voting for them. Back home have an interest in it. Lawmakers take, uh, take a much closer look at the issue. They do ok, i’ve always you know, i’ve always wondered because i fill out petitions sometimes or send emails and make phone calls, and i just wondered if it really is making a difference. Sometimes you don’t get the feedback from the organization, which i maybe we’ll talk about, but that’s a downside, but but i just always wonder, you know, but you’re saying, yes, people good. What makers do? Listen, yeah, okay, okay, we have just a little less than a minute before before first break. So why don’t we just, um but you just introduce us to the idea of the way social media has helped create these grassroots campaigns to make sure that could be a whole show it and i know what you’re going, you’re going to squeeze it into thirty seconds, and then we’re gonna come back and talk about it more after a break. Ok, the internet. It has completely changed grassroot dad, because just by making making it easier one for organizations to reach their advocates and spread their message, but, uh, you know, making it far easier and cheaper for those advocates to reach out to there to there legislature, especially those in washington. I mean, if you’re in california, used to be a long distance call, uh, you have to go through the switchboard, you know, with the internet, it it’s an email on your getting directly, oftentimes, to stafford, take, who takes care of that issue. Okay, that was well said on, we have live listener love going out to california, a one e looks like a wani california live listener love going out there. Right now, we take a break, and when we return, michael brian stays with us. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. 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No problem. All right, that was one more time. California, indiana, north carolina. Alright, let’s, continue online. I’m sure there are sites that can help charities create a grassroots campaign. Yeah. There’s. A number of different sites. Uh, both free and, uh, pay sites that okay. That help you grow and manage your grassroots campaign. Uh, let’s. Let’s. Name sametz. Talk about some free ones. Sure. Justin. Detail some great, some good free ones. Uh, there’s a a new company. Fairly new company called pot woobox, which is a a great job with federal legislator. Popped like alternative father. Right? Pio pio. Gop video right now, if you go to pot. Woobox p ot vox there’ll be marijuana legalization advocacy pot box you can you can actually find information about marijuana legalization on pop fox is well, you can. All right. Also smoke a bone box. I’m sure okay, uh, pop fox. Yes, but it is a kind of a new grassroots tool. It measures public opinion. But how many letters going in for and against an issue it free for organizations and individuals, too, to sign up and to help kind of broadcast their message to other potential supporters. Uh, and just recently, the democratic caucus in the house and the senate announced that they’re giving the sentiment feet from pop box tto help, uh, help keep there, uh, caucus informed on public opinion on different issues. Okay. So just as an example of how, how much of an impact this makes you know when when lawmakers air using that direct public opinion data, you know, you know, every letter count, just like every vote counts in elections. Every letter counts in a grassroots campaign. What else you got? That’s free. Uh, bill track fifty and some light foundation and thomas help look at legislation that organizations might be interested. In okay. Agreement that was built. Track foundation and its satellite bill. Track fifty. Bill, check fifty. Pardon me, bill. Track fifty. Fifty dot com. Yes, the sunlight foundation. Some light foundation. Okay, again. And congress dot org’s, congress dot org’s. Oh, interesting. Are they affiliated with with our united states congress it’s affiliated with cq roll call? Actually, what is that? Congressional quarterly. Real congressional quarterly. What? You’re watching? We have jargon jail in tony martignetti non-profit radio, and i will throw you in there. Especially is somebody who’s. Ah, troublemaker. Sorry about that. That that’s, uh, that’s just the name that’s. How i’ve known that this is cq on then thomas dot lock, dot gov and those air great tools to research federal and state legislation. So you can have an idea of what issues you want to take? Uh, take action on. And then, um, i don’t know what of a good free state local advocacy piece, but i know there that there are some in development, so hopefully and they in the coming months, we might have a good one coming. Okay, i’ll tell you why our audience is small and midsize charity. So we’re going to stick with the free sites. And if people want to find the pay sites, i’m sure they can do that. We’re going to stick with talking about the free ones. So let’s, stay online for a little while. What? I mean, you could you could build your own cause site, right? I mean, it’s it’s virtually cost less to put up a website. Correct? Uh, okay. And what should you be doing on that website when you put up your yurt grassroots cause site of the top things you know, make sure your issue is defined in ways that the everyday voter or everyday legislature legislator can understand. Uh, people want to think that our elected officials know a lot about every issue. Uh, that’s just simply not true. They don’t have the time, uh, or the capacity to know everything about your issue. So keep the language simple. Umm, you know, make sure it’s in terms that that an everyday person can understand. Ok, i try to use my grandmother tests. You know, my grandmother can understand it that i’m doing the right thing. Okay? I’m going to stay away from that. I like grandmothers. I don’t have mine with me, but i’m just going to let that go. Listeners may be disappointed, but you can come up with your own retort to michael’s. Grandfather, grandmother, test on why it’s a grandmother test? Not a grandfather test. Okay, what else? What? We should be capturing emails. I’m sure. Right. What else should be doing on this site? Yes, a way for people to sign up for your information. Uh, and, you know, a simple email collection or ah, form where they can add in additional information so you can match them, uh, with their legislator, uh, is important depending on the size of your advocacy campaign. Uh, e mails could be fine. You know, you might want that additional form information. It doesn’t take that much longer for somebody that fill it out. I don’t think it’s a huge deterrent out there, okay. And, you know, third, uh, you know, provide opportunities for your supporters to spread the word. You know what? Twitter with linked in with facebook, you know, just having the send this to three of your friends, you know, using using social media and and that, uh, you know, social media to help grow your your grassroots campaign, those are the three essential pieces, okay? And i see i see that often when i’m asked to sign something on dh then i do it, then i get something back it’s usually from move on dot or ge i get something back saying thank you. Now, please share this and they have buttons to share it on twitter, sharing on facebook, et cetera. Right then, then, validation process and, uh, you know, i know a lot of fund-raising cos there now, you know, kind of using that validation process as well, you know? But, you know, the validation process really helps grow your grassroots process, the validation process being what? Thank you that i’m referring to the they having tony send is sending no doubt, teo friends saying, hey, you know, i support this i believe in this, you know, take a look at it. You know that validation is is key to growing your your your grassroot that base. Okay, okay. Now, if you so if you fertilize your grassroots on dh use lots of, i guess use lots of weed, b gon and adequate fertiliser. Then the grass is going to grow. And you can have these things called grass tops, what are grass tops, grass tops or the kind of the super advocates? So there there’s two categories that i put people in the people who are who are the most passionate, most vocal on your on your issue? Uh, they’re the people who answer every email respond are contacting their legislature legislator hyre uh, they’re important because they’re out there, they’re promoting and and you want to keep an eye on them because you don’t want them to over promoting, go overboard. You want him to stay on message. But, you know, the passion is there. They’re easy to motivate. Yes. The second is the grassroot supporter who’s who’s connected, who lives down the street from their state legislator. Uh, who’s. You know, brother, in law’s, the mayor, you know, those people who have who have personal connections to legislators and the’s air the grass tops the’s the grass tops these these are the grass tops. So you have your passionate, passionate, always their advocates. Then you have the people, uh, who have some real access that your general, uh, general constituents don’t have. Okay, when you marry those two and put them out there, you have a very powerful combination hyre that can hit people in ways that your traditional grassroots doesn’t always said you might not hit the right legislator every time with your grassroots database, but with your grass tops, you might be ableto sneak peek in somewhere where you didn’t necessarily have access reached before. All right? Michael o’brien is the founder and principal of mob advocacy, and we’re talking about growing your grassroots and you’ll find his block at mob hyphen advocacy dot black spot dot com were a little more live listener love going out foreign now tokyo, japan welcome pens burghdoff, germany welcome. You’re going to want to hang out because i’m gonna be speaking german later on. I promise you. I’m speaking german later on. Hang on their pens. Berg, seoul, korea, vienna, austria. Welcome, welcome. Welcome, michael. How do we engage these grass tops differently than we do the grassroots? Uh, well, first of all, they just like, just like your major donors, they do take a little extra cultivation. Um, you have to do that. Prospect research on your grassroots database? Yeah. People don’t always think about it. You know the process. To cultivate a grassroots said forget is exactly the same as the process to cultivate a funder and a major donor. You got to do the prospect research. You gotta do your homework. It’s you know, it’s it’s not always easy, you know, sometimes it starts by you catch an address or you’ll catch a name. And, you know, i wonder if this person knows and, you know, you connect some of the dots, uh, and it takes, you know, the government relations person of the grassroots person or even the executive director reaching out. Say, hey, you know, i saw that you have an interest on this issue. Can i talk to you about it? And, you know, you you start that discussion process and find out, you know, how interested are they? How connected are they? Um and then, you know, just like with the major donor, you know, you make that ask, hey, can you help us? You know, beyond just that five minute weather and oftentimes, if if, if they’re connected and already have an interest in your organization, you know that it’s still an easier asked that then asking for money? Oftentimes i’m going anyway. How about getting other groups involved with you to help you? Other charities? Perhaps? Sure. Coalition work, i think is is important. Individual charity’s only have so many, so many people on the database lists, they only have so many reach, whether you know, whether that numbers, whether geographic area, you know, whether that’s, you know, pinned down by the the, uh, the scope of the mission reaching out to other organizations who do similar work or, you know, maybe completely different work, uh, but still having an interest in the end outcome of of your issue, and i want to make the point that those coalition partners could even be corporate, right? Absolutely. I just think that something really interesting at a local station here where banks had allied with charities because they both had an interesting in preventing hydraulic fracturing that process of releasing gas from the from the crust in shale of the earth because the banks lose mortgage revenue when property values decline, and that happens around hydraulic fracking sites. So so companies had allied with charities. It certainly does. And, you know, even even when they when corporations don’t have a a personal stake, there’s a lot of a lot of corporate responsibility out there. Ah, latto corporations are getting involved in their communities and, you know, when you get those corporations involved, they can help fund from of that grassroots advocacy work and help you no help with the promotion. And, you know, grassroots advocacy is is a generally a low cost, um, product, but, you know, every every little bit is a resource drain on a small non-profit so corporate partners out there can can help with that funding on help, you know, help raise resource is help, you know, provide validation. You do all of those things? Yeah, all right, so just the fact that it doesn’t have to be another non-profit could be corporate, i imagine now, a little quickly because we only have a few minutes left their sights that could help you find coalition partners. Um, you know yes, yes, you know, pop box will will list organizations that are supporting, supporting or opposing, uh, legislation and certainly that’s. A key indicator. You find legislation that you’re interested in, you can look at supporters and the opposition. Okay, pick your side and you pick your team, so to speak. Uh, are there other sites? Uh, you know, not that i know. Okay, i think congress dot orden might, but i’m not. I’m not okay, but and then you could also use too traditional social media, right? Linked in facebook searches? Absolutely. The traditional social media. Uh, find out who is talking about your issue. Um, you know, it’s it’s much easier to research issue advocacy. Now that never given, given the amount people are talking about and the interest in it. Michael, what is it about this work that really moves you? And why do you why do you love this? You know, it, uh, i had always wanted to work, uh, with the non profit in the nonprofit sector. Uh, you know, i think part of it was growing up in a strong catholic family coming back. I always wanted to give back, um, but i also had a passion for advocacy and and politics and government and, you know, helping non-profits to make the impact is is really what drives me. You know, i’ve worked worked for and with several non-profit organizations, you know, doing health care, social justice, education on dh loved it every day. You know i often i feel you know, it’s been a long time since since i’ve actually worked. Uh, you know, i just love my work so much, you know, it’s like i don’t even have a real job. Alright, dahna co-branding grassroots can change the world. Grassroots can change the world. You know, it’s uh, you know, one person at a time. All right, michael brian, founder and principal of mob advocacy. You’ll find his blah but his blogged as you’ll find his, you’ll find him blah, bing at no that’s. Not true. Blogging at mob hyphen advocacy dot black spot dot com. Michael, thank you very much for being on. Thank you for having me. It was great great talking to you. I’m glad you got jordan. Thank you has been my pleasure. Now we take a break, and when we return, we got a little more live listener love going out and then tony’s take two and then scott koegler with divine devices. Stay with me. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. In pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve? Save the dates. Judith orloff, october eighteenth and greg brady in november ninth and tenth. For early bird tickets, visit metaphysical center of newjersey dot, or or a h a n j dot net. Are you suffering from aches and pains? 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I have a three minute survey on charity registration, which is the requirements in every state and district of columbia that charities register with the authorities in every state where they are soliciting donations. And i wrote a book on this. Oh, and i happen to have the title of the book right here. What is it? What a coincidence. My book is called charity registration state by state guidelines for compliance, and it sells for as much as two hundred ninety nine dollars, depending on the size of your charity. But if you take this short survey, you can claim a free download of the book. You’re your input. Is is that important to me and there’s? A link to the survey on my blogged the post is called helped me out and get my book for free. My blog’s is that tony martignetti dot com? Well, treyz is expected to be, and so if you take the survey, you’ll get get a free book that is tony’s take two for friday, august seventeenth, the thirty fifth show of two thousand twelve. We had a listener joined since the last live listener love, and so before i bring scott in, i want to say hello to serbia. Hello, serbia. Scott koegler how are you? I’m good tony, how you doing? Great, you’re not survey. Are you serbia? No, no, i don’t think so. No, we have taken a wrong turn. We travelling to south carolina today, so but i think when you’re in the carolina, you’re in south carolina. Scott koegler of course, our regular tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news, which you will find that end p tech news dot com and this month we’re talking about devices, scott there’s, tablets, there’s, laptops, desktops, handhelds how do we figure out what the heck is good for us? Yeah, kind of never ending, isn’t it? They used to be a pretty straight decision between desktops and laptops and that for real work. Those air still kind of the main options. But today, you know, you get, uh, tablets and bones everywhere from three and a half inches, ten point one inches on size, and pretty much they’ll do all the same thing. But also pretty much all that same thing is is usually less then, you know, real work. Another one generally don’t have keyboards and those kind of things so let’s kind of segment into those two categories. First foryou, portable before you, scott. Before you do that, i want to point out we know that you are the tech contributor because you don’t just say screen size up to ten inches. You say up to ten point one that extra tenth of an inch makes a difference. We gotta be precise. This is technology was the record demands precision. And scott is the man who delivers it. Okay, i’m sorry. That’s. Any inane interruption? Go ahead. That’s. Right. Um, so again, in the form of unity passes on the kind of work i need to do obviously gonna be sitting in the office. You can use either. And that that decision based you haven’t called back. Scott scott scott, stop for a minute. I’ll tell you what, you’re cutting out kind of badly. Give us a call back on the same number, but eight. One, eight, three, right. You know the number, but use eighty one, eighty three. Okay. And while scott is calling back, i’ve got some more live listener love. Hopefully he, uh he taps quickly on those on the phone. Who else you got? Pittsburgh. Oh, i mentioned pittsburgh, germany. Okay. Um, new york city, new york, new york. Excellent. Finally, somebody from new york. How come nobody from new jersey? Where is my mother? My mother and father are not listening to this show right now. Unless they’re in lutherville. Timonium, maryland. But i don’t think that’s them. I believe my mother and father are not listening. And ah, this week, is there my mom’s birthday and their anniversary? And i’m going out there, and they’re not listening to the show. You believe that? I mean, i may not go. I mean, go, go. We got scott back. Excellent. Scott, i don’t hear him. We have scott in the system. Scott oh, dial. Tone that never sounds good. Do i have to start and punishing my mother again? There he is. There he is. Okay, yeah, i’d rather talk to scott than admonish my mother. I’ll do that over the weekend. Okay, you’re going to break down our devices for us into two categories? I believe right. Let’s start with just desktop laptop as one category. And having said that, both of those generally well, i think, almost always have keyboards and keyboard is really key to the kind of things that people generally call work in an office or latto build it, you know, involves writing text using the keyboard for american trees and things like that and those air really much more suited to that kind of work than our tablets and cell phones and those kind of things. So the soft virtual keyboards that appear on tablets and phones were pretty well, but if you really need to get a lot done, you’re better off just having a keyboard on your hands. Uh, just, you know, more accurate. Better sure, sure. So it really depends on what you’re what you’re you’re functions are what you were like. What your goals. Are for the hardware, right? Exactly. Exactly. So let’s, just talk about the difference in key in, uh, laptops and desktops. One of the key difference of differences. There is the price. So the best tops are generally less expensive than laptops for a similar amount of power. Just because all the miniaturization that is required to make a laptop cost extra money. Okay, i was wondered why the bigger one is less generally. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, because, you know, they don’t care about the size. They’re just, you know, stuff all this stuff and then stick it on the floor. So, uh, so that’s kind of one way to do that. So if you got b b funds and you don’t need the larger screen that’s also available generally with a desktop, then you might want to opt for laptop because obviously it’s it’s portable, and you can take it with you. If you’re not always working at your desk, you can move it. Otherwise other places taken home, take it on a on an event or something like that. So there’s a difference there, of course. Sure. Um what what else? Well, what about software availability? Well, software is always a key and a lot of software, especially non-profit kind of things are going to run on generally windows windows operating systems, so that may even exclude using a mad uh, you need to really check your your software course. If you’re using a cloud based application, then you, khun pretty much use any kind of operating system doesn’t matter whether it’s windows or or mac or even it’s kind of lennox operating system very well. You make a very good point about what what platforms are supported by funk by applications that are important to you, there’s one that i using planned giving that does not support the apple os. So i have to have a programme called parallels on my apple computer to run windows just for that one program, but it is essential, right? Right, see that sometimes will dictate what you’ve done, and of course, once you’ve done that, not only have you spent more of your apple computer, but you spent more for the parallels, right? Exactly. So now you you know you really enough there, so you really need to decide what’s most important to you, and i kind of touched. On one of the reasons for getting a laptop and that is the portability, and so now we start to talk about, okay, what kind of jobs are you going to use that require portability? Uh, one that i think i said was that he’s going to an event on a laptop is good if you’re going to have a table inside you, but if you’re going to be wandering around the event and you want to interact with people, take pictures, maybe dio email sign ups for your newsletters, those kind of things, uh, a tablet is probably the perfect device for that kind of thing, a smartphone, probably a little bit less than perfect, although you can certainly do those things, but again, you get smaller keyboard, you know much a little bit more difficult to use quickly, okay? And there’s so many tablets out there. Besides, the ipad is the google nexus and the microsoft surface. Samsung has one, i think the galaxy i mean there’s so many tablets, yeah, there’s a huge variety, in fact, buy-in while apples still dominates with the ipad, i just survey that the android operating system, which is what’s used in pretty much every town would accept apple and been in windows tablet, so andrew, it is outselling apple on a poor unit basis, so it just kind of interesting. Yeah, yeah. So i know it doesn’t say if any better or worse generally means it’s less expensive devices, they’re less expensive. Okay, um, but at the same time, i’ve heard from a lot of people that it’s the application that counts, you know, if you can get to the internet and you can access the functions that you need, it really doesn’t matter so dahna look at your budget, see what it is that you need those the system that you’re looking at, support the function you need and within your budget, and then go ahead and buy it, you know, they pretty much all work okay and the features on not necessarily just sticking with tablets, but just across all of them. I was looking i was when i was researching our segment on dh i actually do research, i know it doesn’t sound like it, but actually do research for the show and prepare the show. I found something the iphone headphones, you know, the white headphones that you get, and they have a little tiny panel on them built into the built into the wire and there’s ten i found a site that there are an article had ten different things that you could do with that little with that little panel like you could if you tap the middle of it two times that’s to pick up a phone call, for instance, or, like, tap it once and that’ll put a put a phone call through tio to voicemail. When you’re getting if you’re getting a call while you’re listening in to skip a song, you do a triple tap or what? It’s incredible just on this tiny little skinny panel the features on that are available, right there’s? One more hidden one if you stand on your head and you stick it dunaj it’ll actually call your mother, okay? I don’t really appreciate sarcasm on this show. I play things pretty straight pretty close to the vest. Now. Watch, watch. You know, sarcasm is a very dangerous thing. Uh, but you know that point there’s there are many features on many systems, computers and even software, and the rule of thumb is eighty twenty just like, you know, all the eighty twenty rules where eighty percent of the people used twenty percent of the function, yeah, just like you have an iphone, right? I do have that i do, and you’d never do those things. No, i didn’t know that i could ignore it incoming call, buy long pressing the center button twice or so you know, i just i just usually hang up on it, but, you know, you could do that. Yes, i’ve noticed, okay, so what? We’re going to take a break. So when you were little chuckle mode here we’ll take a break, but i want to send more live listener love it’s, it’s pouring in san angelo, texas, san diego, california, rockville center, new york. Welcome, welcome, welcome. We’re talking to scott koegler, the regular regular tech contributor about divine devices were going to keep talking about that subject. 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Welcome back, scott kapin did you hang up on us? I am still here. Okay, dear chagrin. Damn. Not yet. All right, now, all these features and all there’s a pact with the stuff that most people don’t use, you have to you have to wonder about what your employees are capable of learning. Well, exactly. And and how much do you want them to learn? How much extra time do you want to put in on finding out things that they may never use? Uh, there’s a big difference between buying a computer to operate your business and one for your personal life. I generally try to minimize the expense and the feature set of business computers because typically, you know, i’ve been unemployed. I need them to do three things. Four, maybe five, generally, not twenty. And if i say i’m buying something for myself on much more liberal in terms of the kinds of features and even the amount of money that i’m gonna want to spend interesting that’s an important distinction. Yeah, you don’t want to be thinking about you don’t want to be making that crossover. Yeah, this is this is for other people to be using to be efficient in your business exactly, and also in terms of employees abilities there, maybe training costs, but actually be hard costs not only in time, but but if, if the saw if the hardware is very different, i mean, you could end up having to pay somebody like the network it altogether, and then to train employees to operate the network and then as well as operate the devices exactly you want to make. It is standardized, as you can within the organization, so that one person could get up and walk in, walk to another computer and do the same job and not have to relearn. You know where the tabs on where the keyboard durney that’s one of the things that happens between pieces and max, although it’s it’s less it’s less of an issue anymore. But, you know, the key and the maki kind of get confusing sometimes for people that try to make that transition, even though the actual applications may run exactly the thing. Yeah, yeah, i see that because my my office computing, his apple and all my clients use windows and i do a lot of work in my client’s offices, right. So i have special challenges anyway. But talk about that’s different show. Okay, there are you have some ideas for sites where we can find reviews. I love reading user reviews. I love that that the web enables that. Well, there’s two things that i would recommend one is just a scene at dot com, which is not really user reviews, but they are there. I’m not going to say that professionally generated reviews, they’re actually automatically generated reviews, so they’re standardized. How they do that automatically is a whole other topic. Fascinating. I used i used that scene. That site, those air not well, there you are, right. I knew they weren’t user reviews, but there isn’t a live person writing these things. Generally, not somebody looks at, um uh, really? Uh, yeah, they are actually generated by automated system. Okay, they pull your pretty well, um, i’m not sure right now they do a good job, but the other is just, uh, just do a search online for a review of this type in review. And then in the name of the product that you’re looking for. And course, the good part about that is that you will get a just a huge list of possible reviews. The bad part is that, uh, most of them will be completely bogus and badly written. You never really know. Yeah, right now does, like amazon dot com. And you could you could go to amazon and read reviews, but not necessarily buy the product from amazon. Do that. Do you know if they do, you have to be legitimate user to review a product on amazon. Do you know you have to? You have to register on amazon, but you don’t actually have to have purchased the product. Okay, so that kind of, you know, in-kind negates some of the reliability hoexter tenses suggest that the credibility is not as high as it ought to be. Okay, right. Okay. But there are lots of consider. Well, there’s consumer reports. Yes. Yes. There are some, uh, some reliable reporting, you know, agencies, they used to be quite a quite a few more. In fact, i used to do computer and software reviews. Yeah, when i was doing, you know, muchmore freelance writing. Um, but, uh, those reviews have have gone away in favor of user reviews, you know? Personally, i don’t think they’re quite reliable is my own my own wonderful ladies? Yeah, well, i can tell you and there’s probably a reason you’re not in that business any longer. Exactly. Yeah. All right. But now, you know, consumer reports, i subscribe to them for a year. I think i think it’s thirty dollars for a year and you can access all their online. Not not to the written subscription, but for the online. I mean, i go to them when i’m going to spend, i don’t know, like more than a couple hundred dollars on something i go to consumer reports their objective. They don’t have advertising. They don’t take advertising dollars. Yeah, so all right. We have just another minute. A half or so before break before we wrap up. Scott, what else do you want? What else did i keep you from saying? I think really the most important issue is, you know, people always asked, you know, help me buy a computer and i pretty much always start out with what’s your budget. Because it’s pretty easy to start looking. And then, you know, feature creep sets in and know what’s another fifty dollars. Here, what’s another hundred years there, and all of a sudden, you know that six hundred dollars desktop computer that would actually do a wonderful job for you terms into a you know, fifteen hundred dollar laptop with, you know who knows what kinds of extra features agree. Okay, same thing is renovating. Same thing is renovating your bathroom. Your kitchen? Yes. Yes, exactly. Don’t you don’t need the stainless steel pulls on the kitchen drawers. When? When grass will do just fine. Right? Alright, tigress. Okay. Excellent. Scott. Good time today. Thank you very much. Thanks for being on. Scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news. Which you’ll find it n p tech news. Dot com. Thanks very much, scott. Figure. Thank you. More live listener love joining us boring oregon alcohol in california. I used to go to i want to alcohol in. Once i spent two weeks in alcohol and kelowna, british columbia, canada. That’s two two different provinces. Also, quebec represented outstanding. I want to thank scott koegler, of course, and also michael o’brien for being on the show today. 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Nonprofit Radio for August 3, 2012: Your HR Audit & Your Social Media Audit

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Karen Bradunas: Your HR Audit

Karen Bradunas, human resources consultant, returns to the show. There may be things hiding in your HR closet that you need to bring out and dust off to avoid problems later on. We’ll talk about your benefits plan; immigration paperwork; and what to do if you get audited by federal or state regulators.

 

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Scott Koegler continues our discussion from the 100th show on sites that help you assess how you’re doing in social media. Sites like Hootsuite, Marketmesuite and Radian6. Scott Koegler is our regular tech contributor and the editor of Nonprofit Technology News.

 
 


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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio for friday, august third, two thousand twelve big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host i sincerely hope that you were with me last week. It would hurt me deeply if i discovered that you had missed arts and culture building bust. Joanna moore uncle wits is an associate at the university of chicago’s cultural policy center and lead author of set in stone building america’s new generation of cultural facilities nineteen ninety four to two thousand eight we talked about that study of over seven hundred building projects throughout the country and its lessons. Things don’t always turn out the way boards think they will this week. Your hr audit karen bradunas is a human resources consultant. There may be things hiding in your hr closet that you need to bring out and dust off to avoid problems later on, we’ll talk about your benefits, plan, immigration, paperwork and what to do if you get audited by federal or state regulators and your social media audit. Scott koegler continues our discussion from that one hundredth show a few weeks ago on sites that help you. Assess how you’re doing in social media. Hoot suite market, me sweet, radiant six and some others. Scott is the editor of non-profit technology news and our regular tech contributor. Between the guests on tony’s, take two. If you’re going to give, you got to take time off. That was my advice from earlier this summer, but it applies now later in summer, so i’m going to remind you, if you’re taking care of others, you got to take care of yourself, too. There’s still time. Use hashtag non-profit radio to join this conversation on twitter right now, we’ll take a break and when we return, it’s your hr audit with karen bradunas, so stay with me. You didn’t think that tooting getting ding, ding, ding, ding, you’re listening to the talking alternate network, get in. Dahna cubine hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. Listen to my show for ideas and information to help you live a healthier life in body, mind and spirit, you’ll hear from terrific guests who are experts in the areas of health, wellness and creativity. So join me every thursday at eleven a m eastern standard time on talking alternative dot com professionals serving community koegler are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s, create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight. Three backs to one to seven to one eight one eight three the conscious consultant helping conscious people be better business people. Buy-in you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Geever schnoll dahna hi there and welcome back. Twenty martignetti non-profit radio. Very happy to have karen bradunas with me, she’s, a human resources consultant working with organizations to develop or change the people aspect of their business. She has over twenty years experience in hr and best practice knowledge of how to attract, retain and motivate staff. She’s held officer positions at gulf insurance subsidiary of travelers and bankers trust, which is now deutschebank. Her philosophy is to bring that large company expertise and those best practices to smaller organizations, including non-profits. She maintains the senior professional in human resource is designation. So she has those fancy letters. S p h r after her name. Very pleased to welcome back to the show. Karen bradunas sorry, karen. Welcome. Hi, tony. How are you? All right. Well, good to have you back. Great to be here. There’s stuff. Looking in hr offices or maybe not even offices. If there isn’t an hr director but in hr closets. That’s. Ah, that could come out. Tio bite some people. Yeah, and and right now is a great time to look at that. The department of labor has announced that in new york that they have put a lot of money in hiring compliance officers to come and to look at businesses to see where they’re out of compliance into levy fines. So if you haven’t looked at what you’re doing now would be a great time to do that. Okay, that’s so that’s for new york are new york audience there’s, more investigators in the state department of labor, right? But irrespective of which state you’re in it’s a good time to do it. At some point, everyone is looking at saving money across the nation, and new york may be leading the way for other states to do this, and i suspect that they are it’s been published for probably a year now that there’s money being put into it. I haven’t had any clients go through the audit yet, but i have attended department of labor seminars that were given free tow organizations saying we’ll help you get in compliance. Let’s do it now, ok? And even aside from the state, whichever state you’re in there’s always a chance of some kind of federal audit, we’ll talk a little about, like e t o see, for instance, right equal employment opportunity council okay. But myself in jail. E o c is equal employment opportunity commission commission. Okay, i’m out of georgia. Thank you, but h r was right. Fourth, you’re treading. You have even said it yet. But hr it’s like accounting. Very, very jorgen, look, dragon e so mary-jo i have the keys for george in jail and it’s very much top of mind for me. So watch your step. But how come this stuff doesn’t get attention? That it should from from boards from executive directors, ceos buy-in up until now, i don’t know that it’s been looked at carefully, especially non-profits in corporate environments it’s taken very seriously. Let me give an example that that’s across this the nation and that’s my nines, i nine is a form that must be completed for employees. That tells that they have to prove two things. One is they’re eligible to work in this country. And they are who they say they are. And that has to be completed within thirty six hours of someone being hired. Okay, so this is if you’re hiring, if you have, as an employee, someone who’s, a resident of a different country, and they’re here anyone zoho anyone, anyone, anyone? If you hire a temp worker that works for a week, they need to fill out an i nine form so their u s resident doesn’t matter what you have to prove it. And that form i recommend be kept separately from the other paperwork in the hr file. And the reason for that is, if you have an i nine audit, you wanna have on ly on ly show the auditor by night. Okay? We’re going to talk about what to do if you’re actually audited what it sounds like your advice is just give them what they’re looking for and just what they’re looking for, a volunteer, a lot of extra stuff, but but how come this doesn’t get the attention that it deserves in you? Said maurine non-profits you found then on the end, on the corporate side, why do you think that if i don’t think up until now? Non-profits h r has really been looked at in general hr function for smaller non-profits is handled by finance, a county people who may or may not be mostly not trained in h r and h ours really viewed as a step child, i don’t know that all non-profits especially smaller ones have made the connection that your people really are assets and really do contribute to your bottom line. I mean, that’s been an ongoing challenge ideal with with non-profits the last time you were on, we talked about attract well attracting, hiring, training, retaining and then if necessary, letting go employees. But but putting aside letting them go, you know, retaining, training, motivating we talked about that a lot, but you still don’t see that charity’s air invested in their their principal asset, their people. I think right now all employers are worried about employee engagement and for non-profit that are scrambling to keep the funds they have that’s going to be the primary focus. Understandably, you’re going to try and meet payroll, so if you have funds that’s going to be a primary source, you’re not really going to invest in training while you’re just trying to meet payroll. So i think it’s where non-profit is in terms of financial stability? Yeah, yeah. Smaller shops, of course. Yeah, but you see, on the corporate side, bigger investment in people hr is not considered, like just strictly a cost center there. No. In i’ve i’ve shared this with with individuals. In some places hr is oftentimes feared because they have a heavy hand and i don’t necessarily agree with that approach. But in some organization, hr is really an audit function, and we’ve talked about this a lot hr walks, that fine line between, you know, looking to be in management side or employees side and it’s, really an audit function. Where is what’s the right thing to do here? Yeah, and but they are treading that line between, like employees, advocate and and hr officer or office for the for the charity. Right. Okay, we’re gonna take a break. We’re here to talk about your hr audit before we get into what to do in an audit. We’ll spend some time talking about some of the things that are auditable that are on that or on karen bradunas is radar, and right now we take a break. I hope you’ll stay with us talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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We’re talking about your hr audit with karen bradunas on dh, by the way, her website is km bradunas dot com and that’s b r a d u n a s let’s just spend another couple moments on the this i nine so you fill out this immigration form line nine for any every employee it’s not only employees on visa or some kind of other staff, correct, okay, and temp agencies, if you are working with a temp agency to supply intermittent staff, you really should be checking with them to make sure they’re doing it and they’re keeping him on file at their location also, okay? And you said within thirty six hours of enjoyment night and then you just keep that for yourself or you send it somewhere you keep it, okay, and you keep it separate from the rest of the hr file. Okay? And the reason for this is if you were to get audited recently for client, i had department of labor call me and say, we’re investigating someone who worked at your organization, and we want to make sure that they didn’t get paid too much unemployment so we’d like you to give. Us, the following pay records. They listed it out. I said we’d also like copies of their signature. Like from an application in i nine floor. But a w two debbie for form. Okay, i didn’t give him the i nine i get. I offered them. I said, you know, the lines or separate it’s easy to give anap location before and then any of these forms direct deposit. I’m simply because if there was anything wrong in the i nine, it could then open up an investigation. Okay, even though they were only there to look at employment, they could call the person who does the i nine audits and say, hey, by the way saw place saw problem with the nine nine why don’t you come over okay, if you if you think about nationally we’re looking to gain revenue to pay for nationalized healthcare and states are having difficulty financially and you think from that standpoint and end, you understand why you’d want to just give somebody what they’re asking for you okay? I think that’s sound advice for any, any kind of audit? Just exactly give them exactly what they were asking for. But don’t be volunteering extra. Okay, not-for-profits in general, i found when an auditor asked for something and i’m talking all the way to a cfo director level if they’re a little bit inexperienced in this in corporate we’re we’re trained to do this much, much more vigorously. But if in order to says i want to audit the file, why don’t you tell me what you’re looking for? So i can make it easier for you when you come? So i’ll have all this ready for you, right? They’re happy to hear that you’re thrilled. You’re not giving them the whole file. It makes a little bit more work for you up front, but it saves in potential fees, right? Ok, if there in case they do find something right. So you often see trouble with benefit plans. I do a benefit plans let’s talk first. What is a qualified plan versus unqualified plan? A non qualified plan can be discriminatory. And let me give an example of one they used to call them. Top hat plans your ceo may have a four fifty seven plan it’s called that’s a plan that’s just for them that the board approves and is written. By an attorney that gives them x amount of dollars that thie agency pays to help for their retirement. Ah, qualified plan an example. That’s unquote that’s. An unqualified plant nonqualified on what is it? What is it that we’re qualifying for? Qualified unquote? What? Qualifying for what qualifies for tax benefits. A qualified plan like a four. One k plan you as an employee can have pre-tax money’s taken out so it qualifies you and that you’re not paying tax on some of your salary. Ok? And it gets put aside for you an investment vehicle that you aren’t paying taxes on those earnings until you take them out upon retirement. Okay, now it also means it has to cover certain number of employees the plan, and it has to be non discriminatory in design, meaning the highly comped and that’s, a very finite definition by the irs. For instance, top five percent owners. Okay, a certain amount of income family members of those high, highly comped employees. Or considered how the comp the plan hasn’t. It cannot benefit those people. Mohr than on how they come. Okay, that’s. What i mean by nondiscriminatory? Okay, so if it does these things and then it’s a qualified plan, correct. Okay, and qualified plans are comin right, but just what are one of the simplest the most common? For one case, for one there’s a money purchase plans another one defined benefit plans, which you see less of now. And a defined benefit plan is the old pension plan where an organization would put money aside for you. Based on years of service, your compensation and your age and a defined benefit plan, the agency would bear the risk of the investments because they’re guaranteeing you certain amount of money. When you retire, you don’t see many of those anymore because one people don’t stay it firms that long and to their very costly for an employer to maintain. All right, now i know listeners are on the edge of their seats, waiting for me to call you jargon call you out on jug in jail for a money purchase plan, even though you said you don’t see them too much, you said it didn’t have to defend what’s money purchase plan is a plan in which an employer puts aside a certain percentage of your pay in in in in a plan that you choose the investments for, and it can be vested over time. Ok, ok, a four o three b plan, which a lot of people have work in charities like that’s a qualified plan, some are some aren’t i had a client who had a four three b that wasn’t qualified, but it wasn’t a risa plan and they’re two separate things and okay, that’s ok, we’re going to get to we’re going. So now the four o three b is like a t i a craft is very common for three b i think a lot of people have tia cref accounts, right? But they don’t know it’s a four o three b it’s just a federal tax code designation, right? Would be right for one k for three b are all definitions of plans in the tax code, so those numbers really do have meaning. If you go to the tax code, you can have definition of plan, okay? And for listeners who want to do that, please, then i’ll expect a page dissertation on eggs on the comparison, in contrast, between four o three b and four a one k and don’t just say it’s the numbers and the letter in the parentheses after the number that’s not sufficient for three beast couldn’t be used by corporate. It wasn’t until recently, i’d say last ten years of four one case could be used by non-profits previously, they weren’t used by non-profits i see let’s talk about some of the problems that you see in these plans are either qualified or unqualified because this is your hr audit. Okay, so in the qualified plans, which is let’s, start with those because those are the ones that are the most common serve the most people i don’t want you seeing, i’d recommend one. If you have any plans, follow the qualified rules because then you’re covered. If you take the most stringent rules and apply them across the board, you’re safe, okay? Because legislation changes and so if you’re always taking the most stringent rules your set so here’s here’s something plant summary plan descriptions, there’s two parts to plans one is a plan document, which is written in legalese, and then a summary plan description, which is written in layman’s terms. The plane document has to be made available. If anyone ask for you must give them a copy of it. You can charge them up. Tio, i think twenty five cents a page for, but you must give them a cop. Anyone being an employee? Correct for the plan? Dahna kayman plan documents called. Okay. That’s, illegal lease document. Make sure you have one. Make sure that it’s up to date and you’re following what’s in the document. The summary plan description must be in layman’s terms. But make sure it matches. What? The plan. Document iss. Oh, one plan. They should both say the same thing. One does it in legal terms, you know? Does it in lay terms? Right? And that somewhere that somebody planned description, spd should be given to participants every year. If you make a plan change, it’s a good idea. You have, for some changes between nineteen, one hundred twenty days to do it. Try to do it within three months. The ninety day. Do what? Send out new summary plan description to every employee or everyone who’s in that plan. Every employee, every employee, every employee that’s eligible. Uh oh, eligible. Yeah. So the, you know, because they may not. There may be eligible, but they didn’t. Take it quick. Doesn’t matter, it’s everybody was eligible. And then, of course, if you made that change, you’d have to change your plan. Document also. Yeah. You start with the plan, document change, and then you do changes something planned description. Okay. And so you really need an attorney to do the plan document. You need an attorney. You know, sometimes you when you negotiate a plan, you’re working with investments. Tia cref, fidelity. They often times have a compliance unit. Can guide you on what needs to get done. Ah, lot of times things need board rails, board resolution to amend the plan. And that’s all that’s needed to submit to the company. Who’s preparing the document. Okay, don’t try to do this on your own as an agency. Don’t get someone who really knows about plan documents and someone planned descriptions to do it. Because if something were to go wrong, that the documents are bringing two quarter those documents, you really want it done by professional. And how can something go wrong? How are how are how is compliance overseen? This is a federal agency now that would do it or state agency for a risk. I’m department of labor’s managing those or is it claims? But let’s, talk about this. I’m in let’s say, for one k plan and i get paid every two weeks. I have money taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. Right there. Can you use this as a four o three b example? Absolutely. That’s amore common plan in two or three, maybe four. Three beat every two weeks. I get paid every two weeks. I have money coming out of my paycheck. The company isn’t wiring it to the investments. Timely. They’re wiring and only once a month. That’s a violation because there might not be enough money to cover. No, maybe. Just maybe that it may be easy for them. They want to do one wire month. Just the employer. Is that supposed to be holding the money? Correct. If it’s taken out every two weeks. It’s supposed to be wired every company every two weeks. Okay? And i don’t understand this if i’m if i’m invested in stock funds in two weeks, a stock price, khun, very greatly. So i want to buy in regularly. So i get the advantage of dollar cost averaging. Okay, well we get a little technical, but the point is the money supposed to go it’s not supposed to be held by the charity office right by the non-profit supposed to when it’s received from the employees supposed to go to the plan administrated the company, the investment vehicle, tia cref you supposed be wiring that money to tia cref? Because that should be invested with the same frequency and timely as it’s taken from an employee. Gotcha. Okay. And, of course, just again to remind listeners that tia craft is the four o three b that we’re that we’re using is the example kruckel one how about one more thing that you see in benefits plans? And then we’ll talk about what to do if you’re audited. All right, let’s talk about health and welfare plans. You’ve got a medical plan, a dental plan on go, go, go back these air also heiress. A plan. Okay, we just have time for one. One thing that you see in the health and welfare plans. New red new rig. You must handup summary plan descriptions of these plans and also have a plan document on file. I’ve not seen that in corporate. Or not-for-profits previously okay, with any regularity and health and wealth? Well, this health and welfare plans like a medical plan. You like your medical plan? Okay. Okay. Let’s, talk a little about what to do if you are audited. Do you even do you get advance notice or can they say we’re coming tomorrow, which is not much advance notice. I have not seen anyone i know for osha. Audits say sometimes just drop in, but i’ve generally gotten advanced notice is okay. What’s the first thing you do, it may be a state agency or a federal agency, right? Yeah, i’m mostly seen state agencies. Department of labor was used as an example there. Pretty regular with this, i try to get exactly what they’re looking for. You want to define the scope of the audit, okay, you want to understand what they’re trying to get its not, you know, it’s not an adversarial role. You may need to clean up some things, but you’re scared as hell. Now you terrible things that not adversarial, but you’re terrified, right? But that doesn’t mean that one it’s not fixable. And two you’d rather get some guidance with someone who can give you advice, okay? I had recently in autumn, although that advice may come with a fine or penalty may but i think that if you’re showing due diligence, it’s it’s better for you. So you wanted to find the scope of the audit, meaning you may want to call the auditors let’s say that that send this formal looking letter and right and same composition exactly what you’re looking for so that we can have it ready for you. I believe. It’s someone’s looking at hr files, recently hit someone from the state on dh. This was for a specific program. They were doing an audit, they said, send us the fires i said, i don’t send files, h r protects employees information and i know many agencies listening may not have an hr person, but if i’m working for you, i don’t necessarily want everybody knowing all the things about me in my file. So if they say, send the file way, don’t send files, what you have to come on. Yeah, they will bring the files to you are where you come to us or what? I don’t bring the files, i have them coming and i actually have them do it in in my space, where i’m sitting with them, i don’t even leave them. They can’t xerox from there, you know, if they need copies, i want to talk about that and you want to talk about the protection of those copies, right? Okay. And another piece which we haven’t touched on a lot is if you have anything in an employee’s file about medical conditions, i’m out sick today. I’m going to have surgery on thursday. Get that out of the employee file that has to be in a separate folder for hip hop separated out. And you don’t want the auditor seeing that, okay, even something as simple as out. First day i separate everything be ah, a mental condition or something. Some deep serious illness. Just a sick day that i said bring along elsewhere. I separate them all out because it’s easier. If you say anything to do with health is separate. It makes it easier. Okay, uh, we have a little more time left. What? What else? What else do we do now? The auditors are on site. They’ve complied with you. They said send. But you refused there. On site, we have just a minute left. What with some advice for the day of the audience? Well, i i went through one recently and i said, you know, what do you see in the files? You like my out the way i’ve set them up? What can you recommend and make it very interactive? Because one, you’ll get information of what other people are doing. You get a sense of best practices if if you don’t know already so it doesn’t have to be adversarial, it really can be, you know, what do we need to do to make it better? All right. Optimistic, great, great closing note for for the terrifying audit. Karen bradunas is human resources consultant with over twenty years experience. You’ll find her sight at km bradunas dot com. Karen, thanks very much for being guest. Thank you. Pleasure. Right now we take a break when we returned to tony’s. Take two and then scott koegler on your social media audit. So stay with me. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, this is nancy taito from speaks. Been radio speaks. Been. Radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it better, because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. 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My blogged from june one of the weeks in june was if you’re going to give to others, you’ve got to take time off, and i just think it’s so timely to remind you that if you haven’t taken your time off for the summer yet, you really should you’re in a non-profit that gives to others whatever that e-giving mission is, you are a giving person and to do that efficiently and also really probably more important, or at least equally as important as efficiently is to get as much joy out of your giving as you can. I believe you need to take time for yourself, and i had suggested that in june it’s now early august, please take time for yourself and do it without a cell phone and without email. Take care of yourself so that you can get the greatest pleasure out of taking care of others. And that is on my block at tony martignetti dot com that’s tony’s take two for friday, august third, two thousand twelve with me now is scott koegler he is we know who. He is he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news. Of course, he’s, our regular tech contributor, the longest running contributor on this show with me from nearly the very, very beginning, very close to the very beginning. How are you, scott? I’m good, but you know, doesn’t mean that i’m getting old teo it’s like, two years you’re your youngster? Yeah, i almost i almost said, your hamster. I know what it’s, not a hamster you’re doing about that. Well, you know, that’s, right? You’re not even a gofer. No way you’re our tech contributor. And a couple of weeks ago, on the one hundredth show, you just talk briefly about what we’re going toe flush out today, which is some analytics. So why don’t you remind people what? What we’re talking about, right? One of the questions i always had about social media is, you know, aside from doing it by yourself as a kind of a leisure time activity or in order to keep up with your friends as a corporate or an organizational function, is there any return on investment? Is there a reason to actually spend the time and money in doing this stuff for a long time i was pretty much negative on social media believing that, yeah, it’s a fun thing, and it might get get your name out there, but, you know, you really don’t want to spend much time. You don’t want to actually devote a person to do that kind of work and over the last, uh, well, i guess it’s really matured over the last year that more more recently, there have become many applications and systems that that are actually helping to prove that the maybe or not depending on your situation way, turn on investment for any efforts put into social media. So that’s a long way of saying, yeah, we may be actually able to find out how much, how much we’re spending if we’re spending the right amount and where we might actually spend more time and effort. Okay, so we can audit our social media investment and determine whether it’s paying off exactly. Okay, um, and you’re right, you meant a time and money buy-in small shops, there isn’t a lot of either one of those and so every hour that someone spends maintaining the twitter feed or the facebook page or getting videos up. On youtube or blogging, obviously is an hour that could have been spent doing something else. Andi need teo. So now we can sort of do a cost benefit and figure out what the return is and whether this time and money are well invested. One of them is is hoot suite right? Right. Who this week i had always thought that that was just i always thought that was just a desktop for, like, operating a bunch of social media platforms, but not so well, it is kind of emily talk about audits all of these applications, and we’ll talk about it. Give you some kind of ability to review the results that are that you’re getting from their efforts. Okay, but the same time, they also enable you to actually perform different tasks. So that it’s kind of ah, self fulfilling you. You do the stuff through these applications. And then you checked the results, and some of them actually allow you to determine what, what you should be doing rather than just do it and find out if it worked. Okay. Well, let’s, talk a little about hoot suite. What can you expect from that in terms? Of this determining your return on investment um, first of all, the one of the things that’s been on issue for organizations because remember, social media started that as an individual activity is, how do you how do you set up an account and then not do it all by yourself? On so with hoot suite, for instance, and with others, there’s the ability to create teams? So you have, you know, one or two or twenty people actually working on the same twitter, facebook, whatever accounts at the same time, so you don’t actually have to monitor the sight all the time and then interact with every every response. So that’s that’s probably the first thing that it allows its do. Okay, okay, um beyond that, in terms of finding out what you did, you can actually go to what they call their analytics platform and you can create reports so on these reports get pretty sophisticated, they can tell you, uh, who did what? How many responses did you get from which social media area, in other words, is twitter performing that in the facebook or google plus doing better for you? Or maybe four square if you’re in the business of being different places or if your location that wants people to visit you and the reports khun get very sophisticated looking one here, yeah, that allows you to pull in google analytics. And of course, google analytics is reporting function by itself. But you can combine all these pieces together and, uh, and find out how you doing? Okay, so what kind of, by the way, whose suite is h o t s u e dot com. Right. Ok, like, like who’d suit. But with with the at the end dot com. Eso what kinds of numbers can you see in determining these results at what you looking at there? Uh, let me get back to here. I just kind of went away from it. Oh, yeah. That’s. Terrible profile summary. For instance, who did what? What media are you connected to? In other words, i’m looking of mine here, and i’ve got, um i’ve got a twitter account. I got a facebook account. Uh, this one here, i do not have a four square or a google, plus the kinds of things you can add to it. Um, you can you can see how many? Retweets you’ve got in other words, on a daily basis, i got, you know, twelve, retweets or two thousand tweets, and that really is a kind of a quick indicator of the messages that i’m sending out popular. Are they getting traction to people like him and want to tell their friends that i said whatever said right? Because that’s that’s what a tweet is right? They found it so interesting they want people following them to see it, right and that’s really that’s a good indicator that if you get a lot of retweets, you’re doing a good job, okay? Reaching more people, what else is on that hood? Sweet report mentions by influencers, in other words, um, and we’ll talk about influence influencers here in a bit, okay, but essentially influences influencers are people that our red or recognized by other people, and they mentioned your name so it’s like, for instance, it’s like tony martignetti who is a tremendous influence. Scotty, are another hundred shows for you, okay? And then you’re cut off. All right, all right. Oh, that no, that makes sense. So and there’s there’s influencers in every area. So in non-profit. Obviously, that would be one, but in social media, you know, we’re talking about i don’t know who but other people that would mention you that have a great following and and so people pay attention to them on duitz sweet tells you who the influencers are in the in the keywords that you’re following is that that works, it tells you if they if they have mentioned you, right, what does it tells you who the influencers are, it will not say, hey, this is an influencer and you’ve got to go talk to him, but it does look at yes, if tony martignetti tweeted about scott koegler and tony martignetti is a is an influencer, then it was tony would show up on this list. Okay, okay won’t necessarily tell me that tony is an influencer and that i had to talk to him, okay, aside from having mentioned you, which i hope i do often, i’m not i’m probably on influencer. I’m chronically under connected so a nice guy, but i ain’t got no connections and the other at another trick here is key words so if you have a key word, you know what are your key words? What? Are they? What are they? And are they gaining traction? And this gives you a kind of a time or graphic about you know what? What came up and how but what i’m looking at here is justin bieber, which is probably not one that i would become my gosh, allright, let’s, throw that out. So what? How does it too fine key words? They’re the words that you use often or you have to add the two o you add you tell them what key words you want to be monitor you want who’s weak to monitor? Okay, okay, now that’s that’s just twitter so we can also look at the same things on facebook and google analytics. Maybe, you know, there are different things. For instance, in facebook there’s regions so you can say geographical, you know, before you doing is you need to keep track of by a particular area by language, by number of daily posts, very post sabat pre-tax tweets so, you know, did it catch on? It wasn’t like buy a bunch of people in this kind of thing, okay, so in facebook, the like, i guess is comparable to the retweet and twitter. And it’s a measure of somebody liking your content and whose sweet will measure that it’ll tell you what, what content was liked more often than than the rest? That’s exactly what that does is it allows you to not only know if you’re doing well, but in what areas are more popular. So if you’re if you’re tweeting a posting on a variety of topics, you can say, you know, topic a fifty percent more popular and gets recognized and retweeted and liked much more frequently than topic be well, you know, you want to talk more about top of games and stop being so that allows you to kind of hone your message and concentrate on what people like yes, i want to do excellent. You could figure out yes, right. You could test different different content, right? Yes. Okay, so now i see. All right. Now get to the true audit. You could do like a bee tests, you know, one versus the other. And then and then refine your test even further. Things like that. Excellent. Excellent about placing whose suite is free, but it’s it’s one of those freemium kind of things, you know, free. Versus premium. Yeah, and so you could get in and you can use it for no cost of all. But if you actually want to add additional folks to your group, you know other people making tweets or four actually monitoring the activity that you do need to upgrade to what they called the enterprise version and that that costs no. Okay, but if it’s one user, they can also get the analytics in the in the free version. Yes, they get some analysts can’t, for instance, skip um, google analytics incorporated in that without paying something. Okay, but everything we’ve talked about you and i’ve talked about that’s all included in the free that’s, right? If you just have one user, right? But the shot is this it’s uh, uh duitz sweet fifteen hundred dollars a month for the enterprise version. So, whoa, fifteen hundred per month per month? Yes, master that’s crazy. Oh, my gosh. All right, that’s. A significant yeah. Significant investment. Oh, my gosh. All right. Not probably outside the reach of most of our listeners, but the free version is great. Just one. If it’s just one user. Um, you know what? Good one more. Twenty wanted make before break uh, no, because next we’re gonna talk about a couple of yeah, okay, i was going to say we have to take a break in about a minute, little less tonight. So why don’t you just introduce us to one briefly and then we’ll come back since we talked about price let’s, let’s, do let’s just talk about price from second market me sweet market me sweet dot com is another freemium kind of application, and it has some other meat features will talk about and the third one is radiant. Six, which is, i would say, you know, the premier analytics and application for monitoring and affecting and discovering social media. Okay, and while it can get really expensive, you could get into it for six hundred dollars a month, which is a relative bargain. Okay, we got to take a break, and when we come back, we’ll talk more about market me sweet and a little bit about radiant. Six stay with me and scott. 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So when you’re scanning these these words that you query for its looking not only at your current followers but it’s o r people you’re following it’s looking at the whole twitter universe or what i’m looking for the whole twitter you okay? So right, so then it helps you find new people that you should be following. You might decide to follow, right? So right now, i just i have a search set up for him newsletter, so i just click that and right now i’ve got gosh, i don’t know, maybe fifty or so tweets that were done within the last day, right? Just past day, right? And i can say, you know, i could look at one and said, do you know african coaching support to help you reach your goals? Ok, so some of these are, you know, not really things that i would want to go, but i could say, for instance, this guy just, uh, i said, just sign up for newsletter my unsubscribes from days day, we lose newsletter how do i figure out howto howto re subscribe? So let’s just say i wanted to, i could click on that, i can add it to my to my leads, and i could tweet out to that person okay, okay. So it’s really effective in-kind of understanding we’re we’re in whom you should be talking with all right? Anything. I’m sorry, anything else that you like in market me sweet. Maybe some of the reports or anything. Yeah, there’s. Some reports in here, but what i really like is the ability to be proactive so there’s front you could be automatic follow backs you could do delayed posting. So not everybody’s online all the time. So you might want to people say, you know, post this message at three o’clock, right? Okay. And and market me sweet does have the analytics some analytics for doing your auditing in the free version. In the free version, you conception goals. You can sit up team reports. You know who did what and how effective were they and you can talk about you know how it has account doing overall. So, yes. Okay. You’re good analytics. 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So you didn’t have to actually participate in facebook. You just participated in my website or a website? Yes, and i know about it. And then i can contact you very deep. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And just a couple seconds on radiant six. It costs right? Or that it has a free version. It’s. Six hundred dollars a month for the basic level goes up. I would say that if anyone really wants to dig in to who to contact what to say how to do it. And how did you do, you know, that’s that’s serious way have to leave it there? Scott koegler our regular tech contributor you’ll find non-profit technology news at n p tech news dot com scott, thanks very much. Thanks, tony, take care my thanks. 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Paul Gearan, a partner at Professional Survey Group, explains how surveys are cultivation tools for your donors. You can increase awareness of your work; gauge willingness to support; heighten sensitivity to challenges; and get feedback on how you’re doing. But you have to do it right if you want reliable results.

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No. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio for may fourth twenty twelve big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host i do hope you were with me last week, i couldn’t stand knowing that you had missed, get monthly givers and strategic organizations, raised more money, get monthly givers was bob wesolowski the president of caring habits, and he helped us get habitual monthly donors through electronic funds transfer. A lot of people know that as ft that was pre recorded, a tte philanthropy day two thousand eleven and strategic organizations raised more money. My guest was starita ansari, president and chief change officer at msb philanthropy advisors. She encouraged you to organize thoughtfully around your mission, looking strategically at your inputs, outputs and outcomes to boost your fund-raising revenue that was also pre recorded at philanthropy day last year. This week, survey savvy paul gear in a partner at professional survey group explains how surveys are cultivation tools for your donors. You can increase awareness of your work gage, willingness to support it, heightened sensitivity to challenges and get feedback on how you’re doing. But you have to do it right if you want. Reliable results and content marketing. Scott koegler is our long standing technology contributor, he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, and this month he encourages you to give away high quality, interesting content through your blogged you are blogging, aren’t you between the guests, tony’s take to philanthropy jargon, do you speak and write in terms that people can understand? You can use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter were also on linked in i’ll say more about that later on, tony’s metoo right now we take a break, and when we return, i’ll be joined by paul gearan for survey savvy. Stay with me. 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Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com dahna durney welcome back with me now is paul gearan. He is a partner in the professional survey group. He has extensive experience in survey design, online surveying market research and social science research. His career has been focused around research and data analysis for the past twenty years, and i’m very pleased that his practice brings him to the show. Paul garin, welcome. Thanks, tony. Thanks for having me. It’s. A pleasure to have you how useful are surveys for small and midsize charities? You know, i think for a lot of organizations, they really provide some core informations that oftentimes people within organizations kind of our internal debates about and there’s not always great clarity with what some of assumptions are being made. And i think research with particularly donors and stakeholders, but also uses of charitable charitable services give you a lot more specific. Clary on whether your fulfilling the elements cia mission that are most critical to you and most critical tier donors. So i think in that regard, you know, this becomes critical information not only to kind of get a sense of an evaluation on how you doing now, but also if you’re involved in long. Range planning and trying to look toward the future of how you should evolve on dh. Part of what you said is you could resolve some internal differences about the way things might be going or the way things should go. So maybe some of those internal arguments can be resolved this way. Yeah. I mean, i think that’s one thing that, you know, it’s funny, because when you work with people who say what we know all this we know we know we know exactly, you know how people feel about us or you know how we’re doing, and we know what our strengths and weaknesses are, and then you start to talk to different people in the organization. You find out very different assumptions with many people. So part of part of the problem might be unwillingness toe do the survey because then you have reliable information and your opinion might end up being the wrong one. Yeah, and that becomes a challenge for us is outside consultants and how to be able to do the research that they get away that’s not biasing any particular perspective and be able to present it in a way that people understand and take, you know, internalize that taking an understanding and continue to to think about things because we were we don’t have an agenda, we want to get to what what reality is and i think that’s one benefit of sometimes of having another group that’s outside your own organization do the research because you don’t have a kind of bias voice, right? That objectivity just you have to be willing to recognize that your side of the argument might be the loser exactly and, you know, like with everything we try, destruction is not, you know, presented that there’s winners and losers, but there are certainly times when you come down on a certain side and things are unambiguous when you, when you survey people and, you know, eighty percent say they don’t they don’t think you’re doing a very good job of this particular element of of your portfolio of services that you know, that that’s meaningful, that that’s pretty undebatable and one of the survey questions that we ask and i want to thank you for designing our first professional survey. Thank you very much. It’s usually it’s usually the hack job that i do, thank you thank you for for lending your services to the to the survey before the show, and one of the questions we asked is how satisfied are your key donors and stakeholders with the performance of your organization? Currently and three, two thirds said either very satisfied or somewhat satisfied. But then roughly one third, about twenty nine percent said i’m not sure, so they’re not there there’s some uncertainty there about what their donors and stakeholders think about how they’re doing. Yeah, and i think that’s, you know, that’s where we you know, where we come down in terms of how important this is, if, you know, a third of people really don’t have a good sense of that, you know, how do you move forward and know that the measures you’re taking the programs you’re supporting, the way you’re administering it all the way you’re going out and trying to get external support for our right and are going to be solid going forward? It’s certainly difficult to know if you don’t have some kind of reed and even the kind of very, very southside, somewhat satisfied, you know, that kind of comparison, although i think when you just research you find most people are somewhat or very satisfied, but, you know, is the bigger bucket very satisfied? Because those are the passionate people, supporters, those of the people that, you know, i really going to stand by you in the long term, somewhat somewhat satisfied, you know, they’re going to be the kind of people that i got more loosely affiliated affiliate in terms of long term, long term support. So you know, those those ki kind of things we bring to the table and be able to kind of say, you know, hey, yeah, eighty percent of your people your donors or somewhat are very satisfied, but, you know, only thirty percent of very satisfied and that you want to see flip, you want more people that kind of passionate what’s called top box, okay, right, i got you so yeah, so so don’t be so satisfied with somewhat satisfied, exactly what’s outside it is you’re doing fine, but in a world where, you know, people have a variety of different ways where they could distribute this support and all, i’m sure deserving causes, you know, being in a somewhat satisfied bucket doesn’t really distinguish you. Got, you’re ok, and in our survey was about forty three percent were eyes felt that their donorsearch stakeholders were very satisfied, there’s about twenty nine percent somewhat satisfied we have just about a minute before break, you can also be surveying people outside your donors and stakeholders, right? Amore amore, broader audience, maybe just your community? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, i think, whether it be local community, if you can, a local organization or we’ve done work for international organizations that we’ve done national studies forward to get kind of general population awareness. So for example, if you’re, you know, organizations say your aa group focused to its animal protection there’s a lot of those kind of groups out there, you know, where do you fall in terms of visibility compared to those other organizations? And what could you do to perhaps increase that? Where do you need to? Kind of kind of do your messaging? You know, what were the vehicles for communication and also one of the important messages that you need to get out there you can connect with? Ah, wider population. That may be more supportive of your group when there’s other competition. Come on. I hate to say competition, but not-for-profits. But obviously there’s people in the same space, all doing great work and believing in the organizations you know, that want support. We’ll take a break. Paul. Paul here is going to stay with us. We’re going to continue talking about surveys and survey savviness, so stay with us. Co-branding think dick tooting getting depicting you’re listening to the talking alternate network, get in. Nothing. Good. Are you stuck in your business or career, trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. 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For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. I’m leslie goldman with the us fund for unicef, and i’m casey rotter with us fun for unison. You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Welcome back to tony martignetti non-profit radio. The ladies said it for me, so i don’t have to say big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Paul, we were just talking about maybe surveying beyond your immediate donors and other stakeholders. But when you, when you do survey dahna people who are committed to you, it sounds like i mean, there could be some value around helping you to focus your mission in your core. Yeah. No, i think when you, when you talk about people that are closest to you, there’d be a core donors or donors in general or other stakeholders like, you know, people in the legislator that might legislative that might be supportive of you. You know, other advocates in the area that the different kinds of stakeholders beyond just a donor base, too. Yeah, but i think that’s where, you know, you really get a sense of people that know you well that care about the cause that are a little bit more discerning. And even the research you might be able to split those people out to where your core people, who were the people that know you best and who are kind of people providing regular donations cubine may not be tracking his services in consul here’s the core people were, and i’ve done that kind of research before. We’ve is it? Okay, here’s, the stakeholders that really know you well, what do they think of you? What does the kind of broader base of support think ofyou and kind of look at that? But i think that’s where you really get are we on our mission? Are we feeling the promises that we were making to the community that we’re serving into the people that supported think that if if they don’t, then you’re in real trouble? So if you find out that you they think you’re kind of falling short on a couple critical pieces of your mission, well, it’s, time to reflect and see is that a statement of messaging in information? Or is it truly a deficit in the services you’re providing? This could also be valuable in doing strategic planning. I mean that’s basically everything you’re saying could could contribute to a strategic planning process. Absolutely, because i mean that that’s the element we’re dahna only checking on how you’ve been doing, but what are the existing are you keeping up taste with the existing needs of the community, the population just serving so you may have done a very good job continue to do the job in your basic mission, but are there new challenges in us space that air coming up that maybe you’re not keeping apace with fast enough that, you know, for five years down the road, you that’s going to be the critical area that they would like you to see serving? So, you know, it’s a matter of how we doing now, but, you know, looking forward, one of the critical issues moving forward that maybe, you know, obviously you just think about the last he isn’t changing economic landscape suddenly the needs of people and in the nation at large, in the world at large have changed quite a bit, so you can imagine tryingto strategic plan five years ago when everybody the economy was hail and going full steam and and how that changed so dramatically and how you might need to change your kind of perspective and outlook long term as an organization, if you’re gonna serve people that now might be having additional challenges that didn’t. Exist a few years ago. What about just surveying aboard? I mean, could you use this as a way to anonymously gather opinions of just your board members? Absolutely, you know, always tricky because, ah, few key comments on they reveal their name, but that’s kind of one thing that again sometimes using outside organizations helpful because we can kind of get that and not only kind of, you know, clean the data such that, you know, we present things back to people so we can be sure indemnity, but also kind of educate, like, how do you use this information? But absolutely, we’ve done that kind ofthing, not boards employee research is are the people in your organization believing that you are on on on the beam with what your mission is with what your services? And sometimes we done both rose, since we’ll survey kind of outside populations donor, and then inside populations are those consistent, you know, people seeing problems that the outside world is seeing that are a sign of future issues are going to struggle with or vice versa, you know, you guys think, you know, internally, we think we’re doing great, but externally there’s a gap there, and perception and let’s talk a little more fund-raising too, you could use this tio test some different fund-raising messages, couldn’t you? What resonates best with donors protection? Actually, you know, one of the key kind of components in determining your messaging and fund-raising whether you’d be even if you think kind of educational institutions, colleges, secondary school, things like that. Um, do you kind of lead in your messaging with what makes you distinctive and unique, or do plead with the messaging that will have a broader appeal to a wider audience in the example sometimes uses, imagine that you’re either an all women’s college or a college with a long a particular religious tradition. And are you trying to kind of narrowly focus on people who value those things above all else, or you trying to kind of go out to a broader population and get a bigger, more diverse set of people in your in your school with which those lead messages might not be the most buy-in including and appalled, but how can a survey be used specifically in that example, then? Well, you can do is you can put out a variety. Of different messages and test the desire ability so say we describe a certain organization in certain with certain keywords and messages. He’s, how desirable would be that organization terms of you supporting in donating money for that organization? Then you have on the group of messages which both of which may be true about this organization again if it’s done anonymously and people don’t know the organization’s even more helpful than that. So i’m thinking, okay, so if you don’t know, the organization has done kind of blind like that, you know, to what degree and that’s kind of more talk more general population study, uh, how desirable these other set of descriptors? And then you get an idea about for my example for you, you’ll find out, is that the quality of faculty and staff and teachers and ability to develop your own individual kind of curriculum and and, you know, looking at the social and personal development that person will be the things that test out best and things about a particular religious affiliation although may not test our poorly aren’t going to be the core values of the wide group of people you can use those secondary messages to say because we have this tradition, we are unique position, so so then you can even use surveying toe helpyou sequence is your messages exactly, and so that’s what we’ve done, that exact thing with the you know, imagine the front page of your website or the front page of your of of of your kind of guide book, or whatever written materials you produce being those upfront primary messes, and then you think about what the secondary and we’re the tertiary ones because you don’t want to run from your uniqueness, either. I think it’s important to feel like you have unique ways to contribute, but you need to tie them into the core values of the population just serving, or the people that made support you in order to truly make a connection with a wide audience if you want to get to a very narrow base, well, that’s a different story, but for the most part, people are trying to exit chadband their scope and expand their flexibility in terms of either who they serve or who supports them just going back. Teo mission focus. One of the questions you asked in the survey was, how confident are you that your donors or other stakeholders are clear about your mission on dh? Everybody said either completely confident or moderately confident, but teo related to the point that you made earlier. How does brooke break out the first and second, only about a third were completely confident in two thirds were just moderately confident that people who know the organization are clear about what the organization does, right, and that’s and that’s, you know, going a key difference. We’ve done the research study for, you know, a local organization in new england that was doing prodding a variety of different services to local community, including, um, shelter and providing food services, heating and utility helped and things like that and, you know, they were kind of known for two key things, and they had a suite of fourteen of fifteen services that they were really proud of and and felt like that gave them a unique kind of very wide based impact on the community, but when you surveyed their donors, they were known for a couple key things and, you know, i think they want to feel like they had a much broader on. Understanding among the people that are supporting them and their stakeholders of what they really do. All right, paul guerin is a partner at professional survey group. You’ll find their sight at professional survey group dot com and we’re talking about survey savvy let’s talk a little about some of the nuts and bolts. What? What are the variables that go into determining how to do your survey? Well, you know, i think this, you know, there’s three major kind of modalities actually collected information that’s phone based research, online research and paper surveys come in person interviewing as well, but paper serving as kind of died out a little bit, but phone and online being the biggest and online, certainly in the last decade, really taking course. So one of the kind of determines is, well, how can we get to our population? Do, for example, do we have pretty good e mail, pop penetration or accessibility so that we could do something online? Do we not? Then we’re going to have to do a phone based survey will i’m sure phone his phone is quite a bit more expensive exactly that, you know, we do a lot of online, because, again, we’re trying to build on south getting, you know, a broad base of information for people with costs issues, and one thing i do kind of tell in organizations is there’s there’s a difference between sophie was well, if we go out to online that’ll bias up sample because the only people that are online a lot, our people check their email. Well, that may be true, but what are we trying to achieve here? You know, we can actually do this study for, you know, a fifth of the cost if we go online and are you really going to get that different information? Are you trying to pinpoint whether a certain question is seventy percent of seventy five percent or you’re really just trying to understand that here, the things people think we’re doing well, what is the kind of top bucket of things here’s? The things we’re not doing so well on the actual specificity of the data is not particularly critical in terms of well, yeah, maybe it’s a little bit biased in one way or another, but you can actually pull off the research financially by using your online they upleaf except with were also in that example. Isn’t it relevant whether the email using the active email using population is going tio have some some bias toward the objectives of the survey? I mean, does it really matter that a lot of people check the email? Eso they’re going to be the ones who will have a greater propensity to answers that really matter to the purposes of your survey and your charitable work and that’s kind of one of the first things we talk about with you, let’s, let’s talk through the ratification. So if i find out, for example, a group says, you know, we have about fifty percent emails, i said, well, who do you have e mails? Well, it’s, mostly people, you know, younger, ok? So then age could be a legitimate buy-in factor. And so then i said, well, you know, given that, you know, if we look at your donor and then the actual kind of looked at the percentage of monetary support you’re getting, you find out that eighty percent of the forty and over well, we’re not going to want to exclude them from the study in that particular case, it’s worth saying okay, maybe we do a mixed methodology of phone and online. Or maybe we do phone it’s worth that. So there’s certainly a circumstances where i would say, you know, in this particular circumstance is biased and there i was i would say, you know what? For what you want to know, it’s. Fine to get read elearning online population that’s that’s. Okay, what’s the i gotta move on a little bit. Paul what’s the reliability across you mentioned phone, email and and paper surveys are they do they vary in terms of reliability. They vary in terms of kind of, i think what i found actually study on several years ago in a previous lifetime, but that phone research people tend to be, well, one thing briefer because you in-kind getting getting them stirring the phone researches it’s more active and you’re actually pursuing people to prove spade in the research. The downside that is that sometime you’re catching people that’s a very narrow window, which is kind of catch them on the phone and do this as on online or paper, they could do it at their own leisure. So sometimes you get very truncated responses, particularly if you asking kind of open ended items about that require commentary? We’ve also found that people tend to be nicer on the phone, so if they’re rating you on a scale of one to five it’s harder to say something bad, it’s harder to be a negative on the phone. Yeah, so not that it doesn’t happen, but you tend to see the scores being slightly higher on the phone, an online or paper where you don’t have that what’s called a demand characteristic, you know, social expectation of being nice, okay, so that that’s a big difference i’ve seen between phone versus the other two methodologies is this is this something? And we have just, like three minutes or so before before we have to end all this talk about serving, but is it is it something that charity khun i could do on their own? If we’re going to a short survey, can they can they do this and be successful? You know, you know i at they can, you know, i think there’s always caveats about making sure that you have, you know you’re asking questions in the right way you’re not biasing your questions in a way they’re going to get you information. That is what you want to hear and not necessary. What these actuality but there are tools out there like surveymonkey and bloomerang that are going online. Survey tools that are relatively easy to use if you just have a short survey it’s not that complicated you want to get a bunch of yes, no questions or some commentary you khun go use those those were relatively inexpensive. Certainly this free virgins of them. But even the kind of pay versions they are very, very inexpensive her month way you surveymonkey for the for the show’s a sze yu know exactly. You know that, you know? And for a lot of needs, they can solve them. You know, if you want to get a quick read on you can pop out a survey monkey auras bloomerang survey tia population. You could certainly do that yourself. They’re fairly easy tools, tio. Okay, but then if you’re going deeper like this is part of a strategic planning process or you’re not sure about the mission focus that you should be you should be engaged in for the next over the next five years. I mean that is more detailed, and you want to probably have someone professional helping, so you’re eliminating biasi? Yeah, i think if you’re going to get into that depth and really talking about shaping the way your organization is currently are going to operate in the future, then you need to really we’ll get somebody to kind of look atyou survey and like what we do with lot of they will say, hey, what what role do you want us to play here and what you know? And we could do that with what, what? But you have? And at minimum, let’s, look over your survey and say, well, you know, that question isn’t going to get what you want, it’s going toe it’s going toe secure the issue more than going to clarify all i have to stop because we have just a minute and i want i want to talk about getting feedback, is it? Is it wise to share survey results or to tell people that you’ll share the your your findings with them like everything it’s, context dependent, i bias towards sharing? Yes on i think thinking on how you’re going to do that because i think especially when you’re you’re serving people close to you, either your own employees or donors. They’re gonna have an extra day. Shinhwa what happened with this information? What did you do with it? What did you find? And what is he going to be? Action. So i’m very biased whenever is appropriate. Find a way to share the information. The main information, the survey, maybe you don’t need to share everything. Maybe something’s a kind of nuance that you wantto kind of work on internally. But i think some of the main things not only what you found, but what you’re going to do with it. I think that is a great power. It makes people feel like, well, there’s a reason i did this research and i contributed because now the organization i care about is utilizing an unproductive went. Paul garin is a partner in professional survey group. You’ll find them at professional survey group dot com. Paul, thank you so much for being a guest. No problem, tony. Have a nice day. Has been a pleasure. Thank you. Take your right. Now we take a break when we returned. Tony’s take two on philanthropy jargon. Stay with me? You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Geever are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed on montgomery taylor, and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt. Y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Dahna hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back before scott koegler joins me it’s time for tony’s take to my block this week is philanthropy jargon. If you google philanthropy jargon generator, you’ll see what got me thinking about jargon in the non-profit community it’s a random collection of now nhs verbs announce adjectives and verbs, but not in that order, though thinkit’s, verbs, adjectives and now nes andi it’s a little disconcerting. I think that somebody, somebody thought there’s so much jargon in philanthropy that they should create a generator to help you create, create your own if create something, if you if you’re at a road, block your mental block and you just can’t think of the right phrase, put in a random jargon phrase and and you don’t have to define it because people don’t define jargon so that’s little disconcerting. Um, got a lot of comments on this on this post over a dozen some people use it. Teo, i think some people use jargon to sound smart, which is unfortunate, but there was one comment or someone uses jargon to screen for expertise because hill, he’ll ask people what they’re lie. Bunt and sideburns rates are and leibrandt is someone who donated last year, but not this year and a side bunt is someone who didn’t donate it in some year, but not this year, keeping myself out of jargon jail, of course, so he uses it to sort of screen that’s interesting, but generally i think you want to communicate so that people understand what you’re talking about. The jargon generator, i think, is fun, but you wouldn’t want to use it as your dictionary as your when you’re writing to donors or ah, potential funders. So post is called jargon. The post is called philanthropy jargon it’s on my block also on my block is a connection is a link to our linked in page we’re now on linked in. You can communicate with us there. Tell us what you like about the show don’t like about the show, maybe some show ideas or some guest ideas, please share that with us on our linked in page, and you’ll find all of that on my block at tony martignetti dot com that is tony’s take two for friday, may fourth, twenty twelve, the eighteenth show of the year, and i hear the phone buzzing. There is scott koegler scotty. How you doing? I am here, tony, how you i know you are doing well, scott koegler, of course, is our long standing tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news. We’re talking this week about content marketing. Scott, what is content? Marketing? Uh, content marketing. You know, i actually don’t like that particular title gave it to me. Okay. I know. I gave you the guy stabs me in the back in the first sentence. What can i say? All right, well, i’m calling you out. It was your type. He changes. Mind you’re entitled change minds. Go ahead. What do you what is this thing that we don’t have a name for? Well, we have we actually have many names for it. I prefer using something like authority marketing because the point of this kind of thing is that you write stuff and you you send out articles that our authoritative in your particular space authority marketing says has such gravitas to it. It does. It does. Actually. Sounds like it should be jargon. No, but the point is that what you want to do is you want to give people something to read that that’s not anything new that’s, you know, newspapers and everything else that’s been published forever. I want to do that, right? So we’re encouraging people to block is that? Is that where we’re headed? That’s part of it? Yeah, that’s, uh, we’re encouraging people to put out information that the people that they want to talk to are interested in knowing about that’s, that’s it, or whether it’s blogging, uh, whether it’s, uh, you know, paidcontent, uh, whether it’s, maybe even aggregated content, which we can talk about also, which is actually pulling information from other locations, and then writing about it. Okay, thank you for defining that keeps self out of jargon, general. So we’re very jargon sensitive this week. You can tel i i hear that. All right, i get the get the keys. I’m i’m on the trigger. I’ve got a hair trigger. So, content marketing authority marketing. Um, let me just talk a little bit about what i think content marketing is okay. It’s actually been a bad name for me because it’s, uh, it’s really it’s being used by what’s called content farms, which are sites that, like examiner dot com maybe to a smaller degree, but they they pay very little to their their authors. And the and the point of little writing is to get keyword rich maybe keyword overblown articles, because then then they sell advertising space, right? They shall advertising space against those. And until recently, google, you know, could be fooled into paying a lot of attention to a site that had a whole lot of appropriate word. All right, but not great content and cheating the writers. And that sounds terrible. Alright, that’s not a terrible, especially since i’m late i’m against. All right, um, good. So the other side of content marketing, which i call authority marketing, is creating articles. However you do it, whether it’s yourself, blogging or whether you actually pay somebody to write for you what co-branding information and putting it out there for people that you know, something, they’re interested. In actually reading, not just the google will find it and bring it up in search results because it’s much better people actually go to your site because they want to go to your sight because he has a reputation on dh that is not stuff that’s necessarily touting your good work. Oh, i mean, it could be stuff that’s valuable in because it’s related to what you do write an interesting that way? Yeah, think of it as a cz yourself, if you’re mean, you know, we know what you do, and we know well, i know some of the things you do, and so what are the things that people would write about and publish that would bring tony martignetti to a website, you know, on it may it may be about non-profit but it may also be about creating, uh, creating audio’s shows that draw audiences and maybe that’s related to non-profit or not. So you really need to know your audience that’s really big key, okay? And i want to say that generally i’m an example of what not to do so i appreciate you using man’s example of what should be done or who could. Be done could be let’s, not goes for us should, but generally people would be wiser to take the course opposite mine and self deprecation is one of those things that comedians really like to get into. I do that’s true, but we know that most charities don’t blogged, right, isn’t you have an article sixty nine percent don’t block and yes and that’s true. And you know what? I think what happened is that over time and i’m talking about the last now ten, twelve years blogging got to be, you know, everybody blogged, um and so, you know, it was your block and your mom read it and that kind of stuff, and it turned out to be pretty useless for most people because they may have written something, but nobody cared. Yeah, and so i think that the blogging that name blogging got a bad lap for a while. And so whether let’s just talk about content creation rather than block. Yeah, because there are other ways to do it to youtube and other ways that you mentioned before, lots of ways and content, as you just kind of alluded to is not necessarily their word it could be what you’re doing right now. The audio shows it could be video, it could be animation, even it could be a whole bunch of things, but the point is to get something that’s that is interesting to to the people you want to talk to so that they then say, g i and, you know, wonder what tony’s got going on today. I think i’ll go over and check in sight, right? Right? And then they’re rewarded at least at least fifty percent of the time that they find something that they like. You don’t have to hit one hundred percent not going to hit on percent, all right, all right, okay. And a way of just tow bring the show. That sort of full circle may be a way of finding out what your stakeholders may be interested in is to survey them and also to find out where they are, whether they’re whether they’re active in social media or more active. Just an email. Yeah, exactly, right, exactly. Because the way you’re going to deliver it goes to your point of knowing your audience, right? And just because you have an audience that you talked to primarily by let’s say email doesn’t mean that you can or should ignore the social media. I’ve got a couple of websites that i managed and i do content creation for them, you know? So so i’m kind of in the business and every time that we publish an article, we also sent out a tweet and a facebook update and they linked in update and those go automatically so anybody who’s looking at us from any of those locations in addition to the weekly email that we send out, has the opportunity to see what we’ve done and you know their choice. They come read more about it or not, but at least they’re getting notified, right? And the interconnectedness between all these social media properties, the one you need, the ones you’re named and you might put flicker in there also can be very much automated, right? Right with a with one exception of google plus which is not yet still released their their a p i that allows automated system’s supposed to for them? Yes, jack, you are shows social media manager regina walton doesn’t outstanding job of knowing how to do all those interconnected ah messages. But it’s it’s really not very hard now and then, but that’s the key is sometimes you can’t automate everything. Sometimes you just have to have, you know, somebody put in the time in order to do what’s, right? Absolutely. I just i don’t want to discourage people thinking you have to have a social media manager in order to make these interconnections it’s valuable because i’m producing so much, but you can’t do it on your own, too, right? Absolutely. Let’s. Talk a little about aggregated content you mentioned. What? What? What does that mean? It sounds like way. Don’t have tio write everything on our own. Yeah, they were produced everything or whatever aggregating content and stealing stuff. Okay on dh aggregated, aggregated content. Basically what? Here’s the here’s. What happens? You get a google news feed on our ss feed, you monitor somebody’s block that you know, has good stuff that you like and let’s say that tony wrote a block that i really, really like. It makes a lot of sense for us. My my leadership would probably like to read that. So i got a choice. I could just copy and paste it into my sight, which tony probably wouldn’t appreciate, right? That’s very bad. And not only that google. Well, actually, uh, take us down for that now it won’t take us down, but they’ll they’ll decrease our popularity because they say, hey, this is already than publish whyyou republica interested? Okay, they know they don’t really care about the fact that you plagiarized um, but they do care about the fact that it’s not original. Okay, so what i would do with that is i would write, you know, maybe a couple street who’s that tony martignetti wrote this really interesting post about jargon this week on his block. If you want to read it, click here. So what that does is it gives me something to comment on, and it lets my readers say, cheese. Not only does scott put out this stuff that’s interesting to me, but he’s also bringing me things that i may not have known about from other sources. So this is really a good way snusz to be to find out things that i want to know and what it does for tony, of course, is it brings another reader to tony site it’s really a good wayto work, aggregated content understand very, very organic way of bringing people to your site on give it back by by giving them value. Right? Excellent. Scott taylor, of course. The editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find at n p tech news. Dot com in which at which point we actually do all of those things that i just described. Okay, you conceive an example of it there. Thank you. For ah, what had been a segment called content marketing but became authority marketing. Thank you very much, scottie. Thanks very much. My thanks. Also to paul garin for being a guest this week. Next week. Five bullets to a better oh, we, uh oh, my. Cutting him off a little. Scott, you still there? I’m still here. Okay, uh, i’m i’m wrapping up the show five minutes early, so you and i still have time to talk. 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Tony martignetti non-profit radio fridays, one to two eastern on talking alternative broadcasting. Talking. Welcome back to the show, and as i’ve made the point earlier, we i definitely an intern on this show, so i have somebody to blame from steaks like the one i made right before our break. S o if you know someone who wants to be blamed constantly for my mistakes, please have them send me their resume, and that sounds like a really great appeal. I’m sure i’ll get a ton. Um okay, scotty let’s see, i’m here. Yeah, different the different platforms that we might use different properties that we might use for our authority marketing have different personalities, right? I mean, you might not necessarily do the same thing on twitter that you would on facebook on dh versus linked in certainly, although the social media platforms have a whole lot of commonality to them, but right, twitter is only going to take, you know, a sentence and maybe a picture where is facebook could take more than that lengthen could take more than that. Google plus could take significantly more on that. Actually, you can publish directly on google. Plus, i don’t particularly mentor recommend that, but it’s people have done it on the menu. That’s interesting. I’m sorry. I just ask, why? Why do you say that about google? Plus what? Why not putting fresh content directly on google? Plus, um, google plus is like a hyper blogged in that the content rules by very quickly and so it’s very difficult to them find something of interest down there if it’s kind of rolled off of your screen. So okay, so not like, uh, it’s like a regular blonde or an online publication where you’ve got a nice kind of a content management system, brings things to the front, keeps him there for some starita time and then actually could be found easily in the published right. And and i think the length of articles is a big differentiating factor. If you have anything longer than a few sentences, you really don’t want a post directly on social media. Okay, you want your own, you want your own space, you want your own space, and then you wanna leverage the social media that has the first paragraph, maybe or on a link back to your your own content site. Okay? And sort of wrapped up in everything we’re talking about. Is that the same? Content can be used in different ways. I mean, on dh lynette singleton, who is on twitter often retweeting the show on dh lynette, thank you for doing it today she is at s c g the number four non-profits on lincoln on twitter if you wanna follow her, um, makes the point that, you know, one one piece of content can be used across lots of different platforms in different forms. Absolutely. I’ve even multipurpose, um, that has gone, taken an audio podcast like yours and has transcribed it into text. Oh, interesting on and then what? And then they just post that really? Okay. That’s interesting. Yeah, i can either be edited, so that was more of on article or serious of articles or can be just posted as it as it goes. I think they successful way to do that would be split it up in the articles, post them as content and maybe even link back to the recording of the show. So there’s, somebody prefers to here, they can still hear it, and i could see a value. And that would be you’d get some search engine value from the transcript because search engines can’t. Search audio. But all those words that are in the transcript would be searched if that’s exactly right. And there there are many ofthe offshore overseas services that will transcribe at an unbelievable rate. So, you know, i may not be perfect, but it’s it’s enough to get to get online and get it, maybe useful enough for someone to say. Yeah, i see what he’s saying, but i prefer to hear it so they click onto the the audio stream. Got it right. Okay, but again the point, multi multi purpose ing your your content coming and going back to the earlier guest ball. Gearan a survey could be something that is used as authority marketing. Absolutely. Because what you doing in that place is getting your readership to become the authority. And people like, you know, they have there. They’re their word and their opinion. I would caution we do surveys for some of my properties as well. And there is there’s a survey burnout where you just continue asking people for their opinion and well, you know, at the first couple of times they really like it. Especially if you give them feedback and write an article. About what? What they said. But if it’s too long or more continuous or too frequent, you’ll notice, uh, extreme drop off your respondents. Yes. Okay. Okay. We’re going to leave it there for for for real this time. Scott koegler as you heard multiple properties he’s, a land baron on the web and again the editor of non-profit technology news, which is that n p tech news. Dot com that’s one of his property. Scott. Thank you very much. Thanks, tony. Talk to you later. It’s been a pleasure. Let’s. Try again next week. Five bullets to a better budget. Paul connick stein. 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Planned Giving is a relationship business.

That should be reassuring to small charities, because it means you don’t need fancy stuff and experts to get a program going–and to make it very respectable.

You’ll enjoy success in Planned Giving if you build relationships with your consistent donors who are around 55 and over. When you screen for consistency, ignore gift size. If a donor has been giving you ten dollars a year for the past 8 or 10 years, or more, the person is an excellent Planned Giving prospect.

There is a technical side to gift planning, but you don’t need it if you start your program with bequests. I wrote a series of articles for GuideStar explaining how to get started. Small- and mid-size charities can have a very respectable and appropriate program without needing expertise or spending a lot of money.

My background is law. I draw on my technical skills about 10% of the time for my clients. I can go deep, but it’s rarely necessary.

On the other hand, I spend a lot of time strategizing around people: how we’ll engage them; what different generations prefer; what a particular couple will prefer; who’s the best person to extend an invitation; who should sign the direct mail letter? Like all fundraising, Planned Giving is based on strong relationships.

Don’t let the technical side dissuade you from inaugurating a program. And don’t let the technical stuff drag you down if you’ve got a more mature program.

Focus on your prospects and donors and the planned gifts will come.

Nonprofit Radio for March 16, 2012: More Dreaded Than Death & Dentist: Public Speaking & Pinterest Possibilities

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No. Dahna welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host it’s march sixteenth, twenty twelve i sincerely hope you were with me last week, because if you weren’t, you would have missed conversations with marc ecko, craig newmark and naomi levine started with thoughts on branding and other business lessons applicable to charities from marc ecko, founder of the very consistent brand echo enterprises. You may be wearing his hoody then it was craig you, mark, the founder of craigslist and craigconnects he had ideas about simple communications and knowing when to stop talking. Those interviews were from the nextgencharity conference last year, and we closed last week with naomi levine, executive director of the heimans center for philanthropy and fund-raising at new york university last may at a reception for my show, she and i talked about professionalizing fund-raising ending, enhancing its stature, the role of trustees, government oversight, motivation for small charities and the future of the charity community. This week more dreaded than death and dentist. Public speaking presentation in public speaking coach laurie krauz has four steps to get you from no way i’m getting in. Front of those people. Two i killed and then pinterest, possibilities. Pinterest is the newest social media property to skyrocket, what’s it about. And is there anything in it for your non-profit? Scott koegler, our tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news. We’ll fill us in between the guests. Tony’s take two this week, the new york times restore philanthropy, the times dropped philanthropy and charity as a full time national beat, and i don’t like that you can follow the conversation with us today. On twitter, use the hashtag non-profit radio the show is supported by g grace corporate real estate services. I’m very grateful for their support. Right now. We take a break when we returned more dreaded than death and dentist, public speaking, stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Schnoll are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com. We look forward to serving you. Is your marriage in trouble? Are you considering divorce? Hello, i’m lawrence bloom, a family law attorney in new york and new jersey. No one is happier than the day their divorce is final. My firm can help you. We take the nasty out of the divorce process and make people happy. Police call a set to one, two, nine six four three five zero two for a free consultation. That’s lawrence h bloom two, one two, nine, six, four, three five zero two. We make people happy. Duitz hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com dahna welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your host, tony martignetti for nearly thirty years, laurie krauz has owned techniques, tips and exercises from her work as a professional jazz singer and her background in social work, image consulting and as an officer in a major wall street bank to inform her practice as a presentation, public speaking and interview, spill skills code, interview spills. I just did an interview is actually very common. I just did a spell. It was a lousy pratfall. She’s helped my speaking personally considerably. She is at krauz consulting dot com. Her last name spelled k r a u z, and i’m very glad that her practice and her work brings her to the studio. Lawyer krauz welcome. Thank you, tony. I am thrilled to be here. You know that. I know your excited i am to have you. Thank you. Why do people hate public speaking? Fear it so much? I think, you know, i’ve actually done a lot of research into that. I think that the my undergraduate degrees in social work. So the social worker part of me looks at those things because people are absolutely my favorite joke, and i didn’t make this up. Is somebody at a funeral would rather b the corpse, then deliver the eulogy? That’s, like my favorite thing in the world, cracks me up every time i hear it. So i think, you know, you could really try and figure this out, and i think in a certain way, it doesn’t matter. What are you afraid of? You’re afraid you’re gonna embarrass yourself. You’re afraid your mother is going to hate you? You know, i think quite frankly, i think they’re kind of deep seated psychological issues that make some people absolutely terrified of standing up in front of other people, one of my nephews and i won’t name him just in case they’re listening. He used genius kid used to stand up in front of the class when he had to give a presentation and faint. And now he’s a teacher my mother would call me and say, oh, your nephews now know who you’re talking about. I know i’m going to say his name now, and my mother would call and say, brad fainted again in class today and, you know, and now he’s a teacher, so you work on that, you find ways around it and you develop skillsets that were never taught in school and if you develop those skillsets anybody khun talk to other people, we do it all the time with our friends. Ah, great public speaker, someone who was great at present ation skills is simply talking, and the mistake people make is that they think there’s some sort of acting or some sort of other being that they have to become in order to be a great speaker and it’s really better just coming from the heart and being yourself. Oh, yeah, i mean, you know, if you think about it to me, i’m dealing with people who are mostly working with talking in business situations. So what i say is whether it’s one on one, one on two or one on twenty thousand in a business situation, it’s performance art, but it’s you as performance art and so in business, you’re trying to move someone from point a to point b in their thoughts that’s why we talk to them whether it’s to get them to buy something sells something, learned something, teach something we’re going to talk about having a goal, right? Exactly, exactly your goal is what exactly? You’re trying to get them to move their positions somehow. And so when you’re passionate about what you have to say about that and clear about it, you’re much better at it. It’s a big deal. I pulled listeners before the show, and we got a terrific response to this week. Um, the first question was speaking of is speaking in front of audiences and i said from two to two thousand something you do frequently for work or otherwise, and about sixty percent said yes, the other forty four percent no, not not part of something they do regularly, so pretty common, of course have to be in public, and we could be talking about aa meeting was just one of the person, right? Most people come to me because they’re giving presentations to one, five, ten people in a conference room sitting or standing in front of a powerpoint presentation, and my biggest gripe about our education is that they teach us the minutia of what we need to understand about what we do, but they don’t teach us in school how to tell other people about it. And then all of a sudden you’re at work and you have to tell your boss, tell your colleagues you constantly having to report on what you do or tell potential clients, and you’re not prepared for that it’s like ninety percent of what you do is not understanding what you do. Ninety percent of what you do is telling other people about what you do when we’re not trained for that we have just a minute before our first break on, i know you have four steps that were going to talk about what i just sort of tease those the four steps, and then we’ll go into detail. Four steps to great present ation station station stations step one research step to write step three practice and step for i called dead man walking that’s a good teaser. Okay, we don’t have to you’re going to sit there, steps one through three to get to and find out what dead man walking to get. Sir, what step forward dead man walking is we take a break right now and when i when we return, we’re going to talk more about public speaking. Dreaded more than death and dentist. Stay with us the same thing. Shooting. Getting, thinking things. You’re listening to the talking, alternative network. Things get. Good. Cubine are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative dot com mondays at eleven a. 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Durney welcome back to tony martignetti non-profit radio we’re getting into the details of lori krauz on her advice on being a better public speaker she’s my guest right now and the presentation and public speaking coach all right, so let’s help people overcome their fear get better at this. Your first step is sort of gathering information, write what happens is when people go to give a presentation, they put the cart before the horse every single time. If you want to feel to me what makes a great speaker and kind of the cure for the nerves, for people come to me because they’re either nervous, they have a hard time had a client once say, i’m brilliant in my head, but somewhere between my brain and my mouth there’s just a disconnect and it doesn’t come out right those air or they want to have some engaging way of delivery, so people think this happens by magic. It happens because you’re impassioned about what you’re saying. It happens because you pick a topic that you must talk about, that you feel that you’re desperate to tell people about, just like you would be desperate to tell your friends. How you get there is number one investigate who’s going to be there know who you’re talking to if you want to feel more comfortable, you want to feel more relevant to your audience, and this include knowing your audience. This includes if this is something on the web absolem in our absolute you’re standing in front of, you know, it’s, just like your show, you want to know who’s out there, you want to be presenting stuff that people are going to want to listen to, it makes you feel more comfortable, makes you feel better, relaxes you and allows you to speak more easily. So basically you’re going to do demographic research about who you’re talking to. You know, when i give presentations in arizona, i used different analogies than when i use in when i speak in new york and it makes me feel like they like me better, so it helps me to relax number one, gather information based on that number two, you’re going to sit down and you’re going to write i like people to have a core message, you know, ask not what your country can do for you. I have a dream. Today, yes, we can. These air thes air spoken core messages, core messages don’t need to be spoken, but it’s a theme, a very specific theme of what you’re going to talk about and everything you write should relate back to that theme. Keep it simple. I didn’t make this up, but it’s, one of the old saws of public speaking that i actually do agree with, i don’t agree with a lot of them tell people what you’re going to say say it, tell people what you said keep it simple have a very clear roadmap now i know from personal experience that you beat people up about everything people, tonto, just generally just i’ve heard rumors over rumors to the effect that you hold people tightly to this core message that everything has to relate to the core message, right? Why are you so adamant about that? Because, it’s, if you’ve ever seen a great speech, everything it’s kind of like a great piece of theater, what makes a great piece of theater is there’s a beginning middle and an end if you’re trying to move someone if you’re trying to change their mind if you’re trying to teach them the most engaging way to do that is to start somewhere, go somewhere and end somewhere that makes them come over to your point of view and a theme helps you do that. People are too confused when they speak, they cover too many topics and so your audio youjust lose your audience that way, right? So it’s a good speech is not, or a good presentation is not just a list of valuable, helpful kinds of things. No, absolutely not. It should be smaller on facts and figures and bigger on personal stories and experiences, not humor if you are not innate ly funny if you hear start your speech with a joke, yeah, cricket, cricket, cricket, cricket and then you just want the florida open up and swallow you. We don’t have to start with a joke apse do i say if you’re not funny? Don’t even think of it all studies show that audiences care more about people who are genuine than people who are funny and doesn’t the audience want you to succeed? Oh, they’re spending time with you. Whether it’s on the web were in person, they don’t want to be wasting their time they’re on your side initially, right? Until you do something. Maybe that right? Although, you know, we look out at people’s faces and we have a tendency, i think like dogs go to people who don’t like dogs. Human beings look at the people who look like they’re sucking on a lemon and this is actually step for this is a dead man walking trick which is and dead man walking meaning howto ideal with this absolute fear went when i years ago as a performer, when they would say places, miss krauss, my whole life would pass before my eyes. So that’s step for but i want to say something about step three first, if i may it’s totally out of control. You are going to show control right now. You know as well as you know. No, please. Number fight. Oh, that. Would you like to start with number three? Ok. Well, first tell me about janet. You could just turn my mike. So first, let me say what i said on break, which was as a child. My family would pay me money to be quiet when we were on family trips. And so this is one of those moments right now, you would like to pay me to be quiet. Three threes, right? Step three so when you the most important thing, when you think about starting to sit down and write things and this is step two again, sorry in step two, when you write use words, your mouth would say if you were at dinner with your friends, it’s the biggest mistake people make in writing present ations if you remember nothing else from me visiting you here today, you must use the spoken word, not the written word use slang you if you if you go back and listen to this, i’m sure there’s a lot of times i’m using words that are not very impressive by themselves if you wouldn’t have to go back and you were, i know what threespot so comfy now with you, but we were talking and no, i didn’t come out exactly right point that’s, exactly right? And i’m able to get impassioned cause i’m using words i would actually use when i get excited about stuff, not a formal article. A speech when you read it out loud should actually make you concerned that it’s not smart enough that it’s using language that’s not smart enough that’s going to help your mouth have an easier time saying it and that’s, what gets us tripped up when we go to give our speech our mouth isn’t ready for some of those words. This also goes back to just be yourself. Yes, seymour of yourself and we’re none of us speak as written articles, even i’m not even so. They’re not scholarly, artie. Just none of us speak the way we right. Absolutely. You don’t do it. And scholars don’t either when they give great presentations. Um, so around this the adamant ce of the core message. There could be a lot of frustration because a lot of things you want to include right don’t really belong, right? It’s. Kind of like sophie’s choice. I always think you have to leave some stuff out. You have to make choices. You have to remember that you’re trying. You have a goal here. What do i want? These people to walk out of the room with dough? I want them toe hyre me. Do i want them to buy something from me? So i want them just to think. I’m smart. What do you want from your audience? And if you have something incredible to say that has nothing to do with that, it just has to be in your next speech if to be a grown up about it, it’s a lot of hard work to develop a good present ation we’re in the midst of talking about preparation. On another question, i asked listeners was thinking of the last time you spoke in front of others. Did you feel you were adequately prepared? And nearly fifty percent said yes completely, and then the remainder said pretty well, but i could have used more time. What is that? If you’re if you’re just pretty well, but not perfectly well prepared in your mind, right? What does that do to your performance? Well, it’ll make you more nervous, it’ll make you forget your place, it’s, exactly the kinds of things that make us not give a great presentation, but i do want to say something about that we live in the real world. I work with business people, it’s a lot of people do nothing in preparing because they don’t have enough time to do everything and what i say is a little is better than nothing so it’s not going to be perfect. And in fact, studies show audiences don’t want you to be perfect. They want you to be genuine, and so a little bit of effort is better than none. You don’t want to be perfect. You want to lose your place, you want to be what you are when you’re with your friends. You also cite research about how much people retain right shares. My favorite thing someone told me this years and years ago because i was a nervous wreck about something and audiences will retain between two depending on this study between two and fifteen percent of what you tell them. So lighten up. You know they’re not going to remember it anyway. I have a test show is now more than fifteen percent over. So already we’re into the words, the overflow except one eyes shut us off now. Oh, except when i speak, people retain one out. Letters. A research outlier. Yes, that’s. Okay. So let’s formally move to step to because we just i need to keep moving along. So we’re writing now? Yes. What? What are some ideas about? Writing on the stage, i think we pretty much actually covered this to the three most important things i want to say. Tell him what you’re going to say. Say it. Tell him what you said. Make a clear road map. That’s the same thing is what i just said and use words your mouth would say youse were if you if this is the two percent of what you remember, make it this use words your mouth would say make it easy for you to be who you are. All right. What about the part that you can’t write the q and a? The q and a is something that is that you love that. I love that, but a lot of people really, really are horrified by it. I like to use stuff like lawyers do with witness prep. The problem with q and a is the moment between the question and the time you answer it’s like we panic in that moment. What’s the best way to diminish that panic practice that moment, anyone i have that’s going for job interviews and there’s more of those people right now. I tell them when you leave here twenty minutes three times this week get a friend to ask you questions so that you can get used to that moment people say, but i don’t know what they’re going to ask me. Really? If you work for burger king, are they going to be asking you about rocket science? No, they’re not. They’re going to be asking you about something to do with burgers and buns. So, you know, hamburger buns? No. Yeah, because if it’s the other kind, then then they were into anatomy. Well, then you’re goingto lawsuit and we don’t do yeah, right there, outside our scar scope, but okay, clearly, that was good. I liked it and does it. So i get critiqued, teo that’s for me to do for you. I know i will use this. You just remember i can use all of this against you someday. Let’s see? Power points. Are they essential? Or does it depend where you’re presenting? What? It depends where you’re presenting half the time. There’s problem with the technology if you use powerpoint. Powerpoint is not a word document. Power point is imagery. People make the mistake of putting up big giant paragraphs on para point turning. Their back to their audience and reading what’s on the slides. Big mistake para point a rule of thumb i read years ago, which i liked is no more than three lines on a slide no more than five words per line that’s a powerpoint slide, but use images use great you something that delights the child in the audience. If you make it all words, i would advise against it. Some of the most effective speakers that i’ve seen have been in ted conferences, where speaker gets just eighteen minutes to speak. They’re not allowed to use notes on dh there there sly. I don’t even know if there are there their video. Their images are all photographs and video there’s not a single word, right? But there’s some of the most effective speakers i’ve heard right when i give a presentation, i have two versions of my powerpoint presentation. One is the handout, which has all the words on it and the other is what i have on screen, which is the images and things like that. And if you need to remember, if you some people use their powerpoint slides to remind them where they are have notes? Yeah, let’s, move to your third step. Practicing practice. What here is? We pray o k we practice and then when you’re finished practicing, you practice some more. And when you’re absolutely sure you ready you practice, i hate practice more than any human being on the planet. I get hate email and you’re just singer and i’m a jazz singer, so all i do is practice speaking and singing it makes me want to kill myself, but i practice as opposed to the alternative, i think it’s better on most days. So here’s the thing we practise because it helps us to do a couple things. The first thing it helps us to do is remember what were going to say. The second thing it helps us to do is vet out some of that language to make sure that our mouth easily says thes things. The third thing with good playful practice is it tricks you into new forms of verbal and nonverbal behavior. What makes a speaker interesting is when they’re really kind of flavorful in their verbal and nonverbal behavior. You sitting here and no one can see me? I can’t talk without my hands. Moving it’s who i am. Good flavor. Yeah, have a good flavor going are pretty much a root beer barrels you hate root beer, but thank you, but i’m so so that my chest feel latto argast saturday not all about you? Yeah, i’m the guest. So what i say to you is you’re you’re animated, i’m always animate. So what i say to people is try role playing. I had a client yesterday who’s interviewing right now pretend she was a friend of hers who i know who’s, a really wacky person. As she answered my questions. It tricked her into new verbal and nonverbal behavior. And then what you d’oh after you do this is what actors do, by the way, they do crazy exercises. Tell it to your dog. Tell it to your kid tell it you know, you know, tell it to a plant. It tricks you into new behavior, sing it, dance it whatever and then practice it normal day of your present ation you’ve done all this work you’ve researched, you’ve written, you’ve vetted out the writing, you’ve practice practice practice. Now you go in there, forget everything you’ve done and just talk and some of what you worked on will sneak its way into your present ation. You’ll feel a little better and you’ll get better and better and better it’s like learning tennis, it’s like learning any music, any musical instrument being a performer, it takes time, it takes development, the part that you don’t remember, it doesn’t make it in. Nobody knows you don’t feel bad about what you left out, right? It’s not gymnastics at the olympics, where they have a list of what you were going to do and then say you forgot your you know, triple axle, of course i’ve just talked about ice skating, but no one hopefully that’ll be part of the eighty five your metaphors are all over the map, okay, but they’re my metaphors and i stand for them. We’re going to move to your dead man walking. Okay, good for your management, fear management. This is behavioral techniques to deal with the absolute terror. You will have done steps one, two and three and you’ll still be nervous and here’s the bad news and the good news. The bad news is you’ll never completely not be nervous and i can use double negatives. It’s. Okay, when i do it, you will. But the good news is you can stop trying. This is thie, inner nut. I call this the internet and i like to say that if you’re on the subway and you see some crazy person talking about having just had lunch with god, you don’t go over and engage them. Unless that’s your business, you turn away. And yet with our inner nut with speaking, we focus on it. Why am i so nervous? This is crazy. What’s. The worst thing that can happen. I say avoid that. Use something called the stop technique. Say to yourself in your brain stop as you start ruminating about everything that could go wrong. Right? And stop the spot. It’s. A very imperfectly behavioral approach. But it for a nanosecond stops the downward spiral and it keeps it from getting completely out of control. We just have a short time left. What did you do in the five minutes before you go on? In the five minutes before you go on, go to the bathroom. Everyone will understand. I have to go to the restroom. I did it here today. And this? I do. All the time it helps you to focus, sit down on the bowl and breathe, just breathe in and out and you could do a visual ization. It’s very useful tennis players do this football players do this, see yourself giving the presentation, see yourself getting better and being everything that you can be. Stretch your shoulders, roll your tongue around in your mouth so that your mouth loosens up. Do do stretch any stretching thing that you would do that doesn’t put you out of breath, it engages your body, it gets it active so that you’re going to have a better chance of being more focused and more alive. It all works. I know from personal experience. Lori krauz is a presentation in public speaking. Coach, you’ll find her at krauz consulting. Dot com again heard last name spelled k r a u z laurie, thanks so much for being against tony. I really appreciate real pleasure. Thank you. We take a break and we returned tony’s take two and then pinterest stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed, i and montgomery taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. 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And i think without somebody reading each day’s news and looking at trends through the philanthropy i that those kinds of stories are going to get going to get missed, they won’t, they won’t be seen. I’m thinking about things like compliance and oversight, increasing non-profits thie economy as it creeps out of recession what’s the impact on charities non-profit hospitals waiting for final health care reform religious organizations that are slowly losing market share in fund-raising environmental on healthcare groups reacting to climate change and even abroad, european countries austerity measures leaving some of their societies needs unmet i list those and we’ll be fifteen or so others that i think issues that i think i’m going to get lost because the times doesn’t have someone devoted to the charity and philantech could be my block. Is that tony martignetti dot com and the post is called new york times restore philanthropy that’s tony’s take two for friday, march sixteenth, the eleventh show of twenty twelve. Scott koegler are you there? I am here, tony, and i can tell that you are i know that you are and i am to scott koegler, of course, our regular technology contributor, he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find it n p tech news dot com and we are talking about pinterest, possibilities pinterest center that’s no that’s an interesting pronunciation. I hadn’t heard that i, uh, actually, i started spelling it that way and found out that i was wrong. But what’s that’s how the website is belt but with the word interest with a pee in front of it. I am p i am t e r e s t i guess it’s, maybe just the new york thing. Yeah. Okay, but are you saying you’ve been pronouncing it pin interest? Nope. Interest interest. Oh, just wear that. Put the accent. Oh, you’re being so particular i just where i play sax and i i was saying pinterest and you’re saying pin hoexter with pinter? Yeah. Pinterest. Right. All right, what the hell is it? Minor point. Minor point. What is it? What is it, it’s? A it’s. An electronic pushpin bulletin board. I guess if you will, um, you know, it constantly amazes me how these social media sites come and flourish and sometimes disappear. Yes, uh, you know, this one has got some traction pretty quickly. And i think a large part of that is because it’s so graphical, you know, people can i can see it now. People like to see pictures, of course. And so that’s, pretty much you have to have almost a picture or video to actually pin it to the board. Yeah, i found out about pinterest through our social media manager regina walton does the social media for the show and also for me and my company. And weeks ago she pointed me to it, and i really didn’t know what to do with it initially. And then i got a little more into it. And i started thinking about it, and i saw how engaging that visual nature is. It is that’s, one of the there are some platforms that present social media, like facebook, twitter and google, plus in a kind of a magazine format. And if you look at those, what you see is pictures, mostly and there’s, some tax. Essentially, in order to make it onto the pages, you have to have pictures in the post. So i think this is more of a continuation of that kind of trend. And onda a lot of people do also, mostly women. Very interesting. Yeah. I saw that pretty good proportion of women over overwhelming majority. I saw something in forbes dot com in a forbes dot com article that said ninety seven percent of the active participants in pinterest are women. That’s? Incredible. Yeah. I didn’t, uh, surprise me tremendously. I think. It’s similar? Oh, you fancy yourself such a good judge of what women will like. Is that right? Women’s trends? Yeah, in some cases. Is that right? Yes, it does. Your wife agree? Exposure there. Okay, but i think my take on it is from the, uh, kind of the bonem scrapbooking, you know, scrapbooking gestures and those kind of things that really make visual sense and, you know, this makes it just so easy to do, you know, that’s really a big thing, i believe is just being able to make it easy and that i’m not saying that it needs to be easy for women to do, and i think that that just makes it easy to do you know what your stuff also on that that women topic media bistro had something very current, i think, was yesterday or today that women trust pinterest, mohr than twitter and facebook, and they’re more likely to use pinterest over twitter or facebook in making a purchase decision. Interesting, they just they trust what they seem or there than they do from from actually even from friends because facebook is all friends, so that could be, you know, but my take on that also is that it could be just because it’s so new, and that hasn’t been spammed yet. Okay, it’s tough to get a real sense of credibility out of twitter because your twitter stream khun b pretty much anybody that wants to be in it sure, and so that, you know, the spammers air has pretty much taken over big segment of that you have to be very careful to kind of lead out those that you don’t want, but if you look at your pinterest paige, you’ll see that, you know, you’ve got recent activity over there and it’s got the pictures of the people again. Pictures are important here, so it has their avatars or their photos, whatever they put up their, and in my case, i don’t have a whole lot of people online yet, but there are, you know, all the people are folks that i either know personally or no kinda yeah, there’s nobody in there that i would say, oh, my gosh, that person and, well, people find you as scott koegler on pinterest, i think so. Look, that’s, the guy doesn’t even know his accountant. You believe this technology contributor doesn’t have one of those? While scott figures out his account, that is exactly ok. Ok, in fact, i think i did that based on my twitter account. Okay? Yes. And it’s, they’re easy to link. I understand. And i think there’s some automatic posting available. Well, you post a peace to europe interest you can also selected, posted to both twitter and facebook and since we’re talking about our own pimping a little bit, i’ll say that i’m on pinterest also and my boards and i’m goingto keep myself out of jargon jail, because in a moment, i’m gonna ask scott koegler explain what boards are my boards are so the things i’m posting about our non-profit videos, i have some that are pretty sum that are gritty and elsa have aboard for see female ceos of non-profits so scott koegler what? What did i mean when i said my boards, boards, boards, well, that’s the term that they used for the pin board or the bulletin board if you were on whatever it is that you you put stuff on, so yeah, that’s what it is, tell me and that was a nice segue way there to get yourself out of jail. What is your interest handle? Tony martignetti just one one continuous that’s correct and and to move this tio non-profits one of the questions i ask before the show is do you feel you have a good understanding of what interest is about and about sixty percent said either yes or yes, somewhat and then forty percent said no, not familiar with it. So we’re hoping to convert that forty percent? Yeah, i mean, it’s it’s still fairly new it’s just it’s just doing very well. Yeah, it is new again. That’s one of the things that i think makes it, um, interesting and personal, i think that’s it’s a big part of why people might trust it. So what should a non-profit be thinking about as they set up their boards there? Topics? What should they be thinking about them? They should be thinking about the same things they’ve been thinking about in using facebook in-kind not so much in twitter, i believe, because facebook allows you to have more content, but certainly as i just explained it’s a graphical environment. So if you have images a cz, you’re doing videos, anything else that is graphical in nature? Those are the things that you would want to pin and you want to be selective about the boards that you create. I would suggest that things can be personal or they can be company which the segway into that for a second? Okay, please. Facebook started out as a personal environment twitter started out the personal environment, even google plus started out as a personal environment, not allowing corporation’s, heredity, xero or organizations control has both you can actually be either or either a person or an organization, so certainly if you’re starting out a country, um board set for your organization, we would definitely want to select the organization as the identity for that and then create the boards that have to do with what you do well, what the activities air the tv or the the passions surrounding you. Non-profit and as a social media certainly want to invite and include other non-profits and other people, so part of the whole genre is reaching around collecting stuff from other parts of the web. It’s not so much those things that you create yourself as those things that you like. Yeah, your interests it’s not what you do, it’s what you like and that’s a very good point. I was on a twitter chat, we’re going, we’re going to talk about in the next show with the gentleman who runs twitter chat this one, this one is fundchat and one of the points that was brought out there. Was that precisely what you’re saying? That it should be bored should be the topics that are related to your mission, not on ly from directly from your organization. That was ephraim go pin, um be broader don’t just show exactly what you do but show things that are related, right? I think people and organizations are much more interesting and when when you know what they are about, what they’re, what surrounds them, what kind of things they’re interested in, and not just those things that make them up individually, whether it’s an individual or organization, you know, we’re also multi faceted, and we have lots of different interests, and i think that’s what? What this tackles is what are those interests? How how can i relate to this organization? And it may not actually be that particular organization, right functions that maybe something ansel earlier, too. Otherwise you start to look to self promotional. I mean, there should be self promotion. It is that’s a part of social media, but it shouldn’t be exclusively that scott, we gotta take a break when we come back, we’ll keep talking about pinterest, possibilities and hope. Everybody stays with us talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. 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No, please, you’re worse than a screaming child. I know scott as as non-profits going to set up their boards, you have to pick a category, and i see that there is no category for social change or charity or non-profits interesting, isn’t it? Yeah, i’m not sure maybe they’ll add something like that. I guess at the moment you should pick something close and i’m not really even sure what that would be or there is a category for other i guess that might be yeah, there is another until they until they get to the point where they add something related to the charity community. Yeah, there is a little controversy about about pinterest and this came up in the small non-profit sorry, the fundchat that i was in last week o r this past wednesday and again the leader of fundchat, the host of fundchat is going to be a guest next week. We’re going to talk about what what he does in his in his twitter chat on dh that’s, the issues related to copyright use and pinning and reap and repenting are you have you seen anything about that? I haven’t seen comments on that, particularly that it doesn’t surprise me because i know that, uh, twitter not a flicker has been going to some some pains about use of their material on maybe it was in interest the know there are different writes that can be assigned to different photos post on two places, specifically quicker and there’s a pretty tough to understand no one can i use this? Can i use it to promote something of my own? Can i modify it? And it may not be obvious what the rights are for the for the photo that you selected so so i could see were pulling stuff from other places could be even more difficult, teo, to regulate and then as you as you repent, something that someone else pinned, you know, there could be a question of your liability for that sure repenting, but then if you’re not repenting then there’s no social that could be any social in the social media platform if if you can’t repent when other people pin, i agree, and i think, you know, this leads to a whole larger conversation about who owns content and how what is the fair use of that content in other sites and as a as a journalist, writer editor that’s a very active conversation with folks that i deal with, what is content aggregation, and should we be doing it, or should we not? And to what extent? So i think that this is one small subset of that there has to be more with images, that kind of thing, but it’s over altum big deal in the record companies on wednesday in that fundchat on twitter, i want credit mary-jo callin see a j a n e for pointing out really, that if if there isn’t repenting, then there isn’t much social in the platform, and also there was an article on this subject at craft test dummies dot com craft, c r a f t test dummies dot coms on march second article and my thanks to n p tech alley for for pointing out that that article from that from that twitter chat like other there’s rocky again, like other social media platforms, this one has to be kept upright if we get started, innit? Yeah, exactly. And there’s, there comes a point at which on organization and certainly a person is going to say enough, i’ve had enough of this stuff and what’s going to fall off the edge, and i think that’s something that we’re all going to have to deal with as these things continue to emerge as things become popular and so the others fall off the edge. I don’t know the answer, but i know that the answer is that we don’t have limited amounts of time in our days and especially no work days and how many times you want to be sitting in front of a computer, clicking and dragging and pinning, yeah, and for small and midsize shops, i mean, how much staff time can they devote to these? In fact, one of the final question i asked pre show listeners is your non-profit using pinterest and eighty three percent said no, uh, the other seventeen, the other seventeen percent were sort of yes, you know we’re into it fully. That was very small in about four percent that about thirteen percent said they have done it a little bit, but eighty three percent, not into it. It has become a matter of priorities. Ation it does. And as with all the social media kinds of products and processes, uh, what is the return? What you’re getting for your efforts? Is that a small shop? You know, the effort is probably one person taking some time out of the day in large organizations. For instance, coca cola, uh, that is has probably the largest facebook page following, uh, i think it is the largest, by the way, um, they they spent significant actual money and managing that and making sure that they are top of mind. But if you ask anyone, uh, and this i think there are becoming some tools for this, if you ask, what are you actually getting for? What if you spend a thousand dollars a year making two thousand dollars? The answer is, i have no idea now, and, uh, you know, as these begin to proliferate even further it’s going to be more of a question. We have to leave it there. Scott regulars are regular tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news at n p tech news. Dot com scott, thank you very much. Thanks, durney take care. We’ll talk to you next month. Thank you, and i also i also want to thank lori krauz for coming into the studio and also the folks who participated in fundchat last week on brendan kinney, who hosts that and he’ll be a guest next week, which is the transition into next week. 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