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Nonprofit Radio, December 14, 2012: Get Engaged III & Dutiful Documentation

Big Nonprofit Ideas for the Other 95%

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Amy Sample Ward
Amy Sample Ward: Get Engaged III

Amy Sample Ward is our social media scientist. She continues her series on online engagement with goal setting. How do you know if your engagement strategies are successful? We’ll talk about identifying goal areas; assigning metrics; and measuring success. Amy is membership director for the Nonprofit Technology Network (NTEN) and contributes for Stanford Social Innovation Review.

 

Gene Takagi & Emily Chan
Gene Takagi & Emily Chan: Dutiful Documentation

Gene Takagi and Emily Chan, our legal contributors from the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations Law Group (NEO), explain the IRS rules on what should be in all those acknowledgements you send for 2012 gifts.

 
 
 


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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on december fourteenth, twenty twelve our november nine thousand you’re still with us, i’m tracking glad you’re still here, and i hope that everyone was with me last week. Yes, i just i just hope you were with me last week because if you weren’t, you would have missed show number one hundred and twenty one, twenty was last week. You can now spend five straight days listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio. I suggest you start on a weekend this way you have a little extra time for bathroom and food breaks. I would start maybe on a thursday and include the weekend i would include a weekend in your five straight days of listening to non-profit radio last week, which is the one you would finish with because that will be shown number one hundred twenty would wrap you up for five days was your database policy manual? Karen heart, philanthropic services specialist for the main community foundation, and nicole san miguel, database administrator for the naacp rat free library of baltimore city, walked you through data entry standards, indexing and search ability, naming conventions and other topics that belong in your database, policy and procedure manual. And it was also maria’s top ten maria semple, the prospect finder and our prospect research contributor, revealed the top ten sites that she uses in her work true to form for our doi and of dirt cheap. Most of the sites are free, and her list is now posted on the linked in group and the show’s facebook page this week get engaged three tray amy sample ward is our social media scientist. She continues her siri’s on online engagement with gold setting. How do you know if your engagement strategies they’re successful? We’ll talk about identifying goal areas, assigning metrics and measuring your success. Amy is membership director for the non-profit technology network and ten and contributes to the sand, stanford social innovation review and dutiful documentation. Jean takagi and emily chan are legal contributors from the non-profit and exempt organizations law group explain the irs rules on what should be in all those acknowledgements that you send for two thousand twelve and had a value some of those gif ts between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week. Is cause marketing guidance from the new york attorney general? The new york a g wants to help you, and i distill their advice for your cause marketing campaigns. If you’re on twitter, you can follow the hashtag non-profit radio. My pleasure now to bring on amy sample ward she’s, a membership director attend ten, contributed to stanford social innovation review, co author of social by social, a handbook on using social technologies for social impact her blogger is amy sample, ward dot or ge and she’s at amy rs ward on twitter and unfortunately, she’s not in the studio today. Amy, how are you doing? I’m doing well, how are you? I’m very well you’re in portland, oregon, right eye and in portland this is where contends that main office is so i’m out here getting to me with staff in person for a little change of scenery and was actually onboarding a new staff person this week, which is always really fun. Okay, excellent. Our thoughts are with you in portland. A lot of talk about the shooting at the mall this week. Earlier this week. Yeah. Out at the crack of this small and now this morning. The shooting in connecticut, the elementary school so it’s, kind of, you know, end end times holiday season so far, very difficult, let’s talk about first an infographic that that i was sent i was offered people send me things too talk about on the show, and this one is interesting to me, and i thought you and i could talk about it. This is an infographic called very objectively titled how social media is destroying productivity. Andi, i sent it to you, of course, and you’ve had some time look at it, i will post a link to it on the facebook page on the linked in group. In the meantime, people confined this at learn stuff dot com um, you are ever learn stuff dot com all right? Well, so they’re clearly, you know, they’re concerned about productivity. Facebook has close to a billion users forty five. Forty five million short of a billion, but let’s call it a billion. People spend two times more time on facebook than they do exercising, you know, be a little provocative about i mean, they spend more time doing facebook than other things also, but they chose exercising wolber collectively each day in the u s people spend twelve billion hours on social networks. That’s interesting. A somebody who thinks about social networking a lot. Amy what? What do your do your thoughts about what you do? You have concerns about productivity? Well, i mean, for me, i think it’s i haven’t had a chance. Tio go look into their sources of where they got the data and what the data really means. You know, things like infographics are often so interesting to people and share a ble because they they could be interpreted in many different ways for me, i think it’s less, um, less a sign of of you now everyone and their mom wastes their time all day long and, you know, we’re we’re not doing any of our work, but more a sign of a distributed organization, a new era of the way people work. You know, people can quote unquote beyond the clock from anywhere so long as they have an internet connection and, you know, a lot the times and and looking at some of the staff in there, you know, that worker is interrupted every ten minutes by things like instant messages, right? Well i know that i’m quote unquote interrupted, you know, all the time, all day long, buy-in sametz itches, but that’s because i managed staff in other cities and instant messages, how we’re just saying, hey, i just tackled that one project or, hey, i saw that e mail come into both of us and i’ll take it or, you know, just kind of the way that you would work in person by just giving each other updates out loud. It’s now moving over two dozen messages, so it’s not necessarily cat videos, you know, and elearning youtube all day long, but it’s it’s, you know, it is technically an instant message, and and it is technically an interruption, but it gets the way you work now versus aah, total distraction and you know something? What i thought was interesting is that it’s list it was instead of being specific social websites to social networking, it categorizes things as time wasting websites and the number third number three, cnn dot com es o that right number twenty nine percent think i’m going to go to cnn because i want to just, like, chat with my friends, you know, like the way they kind of think about facebook being used that way, but for so many organizations, regardless of what your industry is staying on top of websites like cnn or other breaking news sources means your organization commend the the one that has the very first public statement about it. That student in connecticut this morning, as another elementary school, to be able to respond right away or, you know, whatever the kind of crisis our emergency communications may be, staying on top of, really, what we have as a objective world now, riel time, news and information means that organizations can get ahead of their competitors sabat and speak and be the one with the first announcement or be the ones that have the resources that the other news stations there now looking for etcetera, you know, again, it’s just a different way of working and not necessarily time wasting, you know, okay, andi also for our listeners, they’re they’re spending more time in the social networks because, well, i’d like to think in part because you and i talk about that, and we encourage people to use twitter and lengthen and facebook to the extent that it’s appropriate for them and, you know, all the things that we’ve talked about, everybody wasn’t everybody shouldn’t be jumping in, you know, you and i have been through that, and we’ll continue to teo explain it. No, yeah, i mean, i know organization, nonprofit organizations where a team, you know, a subset of the staff actually used private, you know, totally private facebook groups as the place where they are kind of doing teamviewer based product project management, you know, being able to say what’s going on every day and reporting to each other, etcetera, because it’s a tool that all of the people on that team are familiar with, they know how to use it, they like that email notifications in the back and forth. So instead of adopting a whole different project management tool that would be outside of any other tool there there regularly using, just use the facebook group and again, so that means they have facebook open all day, but they’re not necessarily just again, you know, posting cat videos to their friends facebook pages there, they’re using it for real time team communication. Okay, we’re gonna leave that there wanted to get your opinion on it. One thing i’ll close with is that the average college student spends three hours a day checking social sites, but what they don’t compare that is, too, the average number of hours a day that the the college students spend having sex buy-in i object that they left that out? I mean, i was a monk in college, but but there are lots of people spending a lot more than three hours a day at least having sex either with somebody or or alone, which for some people that’s a favorite weii just have a minute before a break. Amy sample ward, let’s see, we want to talk about our our engagement strategy, but really just have a minute or so we’re talking about goals. Do you have some congee? Just tease a little bit? How do you how do you start to set goals? And then you and i have a lot more time after the break. Sure, i mean first, if we’re going to a break, then i encourage everybody to go look upon their organization’s website and see what your mission statement and you actually have a theory of change, or if you don’t know what, that is just used the commercial break the good little theory of change opportunity, or pull up your organization’s active strategic plan, because that is really where you start when you’re going to create gold that apply to your social media, even though people would think they’re not, you know that high up and organizations chart of some sort. But really, you do start all the way your mission, or your strategic plan, or your theory of change. Okay, theory of change, or your strategic plan or your mission. You have homework for the break, and when we return, amy and i will keep talking about getting engaged online. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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And curry, korea all live listener love going out tio are asian and mexican listeners, and we’ll get to the u s shortly. All right, amy, why is the right place to start with your strategic plan or your mission, or your your change theory? Well, in theory, not nothing that you are doing in your organization regardless of what department you’re in or what your job title is, nothing should should be extraneous from meeting your mission. The whole purpose of all of your staff, the reason that you have different departments, all of it should be to the end of meeting your mission, and when we that social media up as something that’s outside of that normal plan, then we’ve already set it up for first of all, other staff cannot really support it or, you know, to not have leadership for the board buy-in and that work because they don’t see it directly connected to the mission because it isn’t. But secondly, it also means that whoever it is that taft with that work isn’t able to set goals in the same kind of way, they don’t even see their own, you know, purpose for work as contributing to the organization in the same way. So not only do other people not buy-in and support it, but then the person that’s doing it themselves doesn’t see how they fit so outside of even what you do with the work, just setting up the contacts for that person and why they’re doing their job. You know, you either have an opportunity there for success or failure before you even start engaging. So so starting with your mission statement, you know, from there, you just work backwards look for the aspects of your mission that are focus on action and interaction, and then look for the parts that are social, the things that your community is able to contribute, too, and not just the aspects of your mission that, you know, require your staff policy maker or something. So so look for the opportunity where the community can be in and then require interaction, and then that’s where you actually set the gold specific to your social media or your community department now way learned a couple of weeks ago when you were on the last time that you have a real affinity for alligators. Actually, you’re a little scared of algiers, so we’re going to use save the alligators as our example eyes are hypothetical charity, okay, terrific, because because i know that’s something that you could buy into easily, of course, and also want listeners to know that this siri’s on getting engaged began october fifth if you want to catch the first part of it, and the second part was november sixteenth. So if we have our charities, objective is to save the alligators may be in the florida everglades, so not not worldwide, but just in florida in the everglades. There’s there’s terrific opportunity for outsiders to contribute to that in terms of awareness, maybe political advocacy, things like that, right? Okay, on dh and an organization, you know, or this organization that you and i have now founded called save the alligators provoc we probably have some sort of strategic plan or or we’re going to the whether we call it that or not, or something like a theory of change, which is more broad and says, this is how we see our mission coming, coming to fruition that says, you know, we see a few different ways that we’re going to save the alligators first is in the policy that support seven, and this is the kind of policy we’re going to work for it and the next is, you know, and this is where we’re going to create educational programs, so the public is no latto you’re scared of alligators or something, you know, so far down the line like that, you were goingto bucket out how we’re going to do this work, and from there we could say, oh, great, so there’s there’s a policy component of our of our mission? Well, in order for anyone to support a policy, they need to know about it. So a portion of the person’s job, the energy in our social media, they’re going to have a whole bucket, a goal of oppcoll and metrics and and work that’s focused on letting people know what that public policy proposal is understanding what it means getting. Involved probably recruited in their stories to help, you know the organizations public policy statement today if you can have community members saying, yes, we love our alligators, and this is, you know, how we’ve seen are so on the area destroyed and now hurting the alligators, i realized that all of this example shows how little i really know about alligators. Well, then, that’s a part of this person’s job and it’s no longer just yet tweet all the time about how we have a policy recommendation, but it’s so much more tangible because it helped change people’s minds about the policy recruit stories about this policy, etcetera, you know? So so you can translate directly from that mission all the way down to the buckets of actual content you’re posting every week. Okay? And how about some of the some of the advocacy, too? We want maybe people to write letters to editors and to bloggers we want to have people call or otherwise contact their state representatives things and so there’s a way we have our calls to action like we talked about last week, last month, exactly like last way said, you can’t just create a twitter account and start asking everybody to retweet you and take all of your calls action. But once you build up that community and you started building trust and engaging with people, then you can use the social tools to identify who those bloggers are that everybody listens to and reach out to them and say, great will you write the first the letter again showing that that you recognize them at the champion and influence there in the community? Will you write the first a letter and then other people will want to follow and participate, etcetera? Okay, okay, this is a good cause. And i appreciate that you want to be the co founder it’s a big step for you. That’s. A big step for you. All right. S o we’re so we clearly need to be, as you said, mission focused. Otherwise, there’s not going to be the support and the understanding of why were even engaged online. Why we even doing anything online before we moved to metrics? Anything more that you want to say about about creating the goals? No. I mean, i think, you know, a lot of people feel like well, you know we don’t have ah brand new strategic plan or we don’t have things laid out like this, but i really just i mean, we just showed with this very sophisticated organization that tony and i have just created called save the alligators, it really is that easy to move from a really high level, lofty mission statement, tangible work in in social engagements. So regardless of what your mission statement is or how it’s set up now, i really encourage all organizations to start from that place and don’t feel like, well, you are the organization that can you really can. And i just like that. If there’s ever than a challenge to why do we devote resource is it could be just a two person or three person shot, but why are we spending time on twitter and facebook? Because it’s a direct thes three threes direct correlations to our mission here, we’re trying to get join with advocacy. We’re trying to get awareness we’re trying to get public policy change, and this is how our social social engagement strategy supports each of those elements of our mission, right? Exactly, which is so much more empowering to that that person, but also to the whole organization, they can now translate for themselves how the person working in public policy can work with the person that’s doing the online engagement, and they could work together and not just, you know, separately in their own jobs, they could see how both of them need each other internally as well. Okay, let’s, move, teo metrics way want to start to measure these things? That’s that’s a substantial criticism of social networking that it’s not measurable. How do we know whether we’re succeeding, which we’ll get to, but but that’s what? You want to dispel all that? Right? Because it is measurable. Exactly. I mean, when you you know, a lot of organizations it’s really easy to track certain numbers because the different platform’s show them to you very prominently you goto a facebook page and now the really prominent number of how many people have liked that page well for you, almost every organization i’ve ever met that number isn’t the crucial number that you care about on your facebook page because if you have a thousand people that have become a fan of your page but none of them ever comment. Or share or even read what you post there, it might as well be xero people that like your page because no one would know. So making sure that that you go beyond just those really easy numbers toe look at, like, how many people are following you on twitter or whatever? And again, go back to those schools if we’re talking about state of the alligators, and we know that advocacy is a really important part and people actually taking that action way contract that let’s say, we want to see how many people yet wrote the letter, but how many people shared the letter of someone else, you know, way down that prominent blogger and asked them to write up a love letter to the very first letter, how many people commented on the letter that they wrote, so it doesn’t even have to be your facebook page, but but how many people are engaging with the advocacy appeals, whether you posted them or they’re the appeal you know, in your network, and that goes to all kinds of things, so not just you know how many people are liking or commenting on that letter, but how many? People have retweeted it how many people signed up on your website to stay in the loop on what’s going on on that advocacy appeal? So making sure that even though we’re thinking about this social engagement work as social media, quote unquote ah lot of these metrics don’t stay in that silo of facebook. If you’re doing a really great job on facebook, engaging people around an appeal, you also want to be just a the same time tracking how many people clicked to your website and signed up for the email to stay in the loop or how many people come from facebook to your website. And how long did they stay on the website? You know, looking at that that full circle from your your quote unquote home base, your website or your campaign page to social media and then teo material like emails or videos where it would be something there just consuming and back again. So how is that whole, you know, three part triangle connected and staying engaged throughout? Okay, how do we know what Numbers 22 start with if it’s a number of people who go overto comment on the on the letter. That was written over on the bloggers site let that was posted. How do we know what kinds of numbers to begin with? I mean, some some of the most basic that that all organizations can at least start tracking now to see if they know where they want to go next. What they’re tracking is so be tools specific as necessary. So was twitter, for example, you don’t just want to say how many people retweeted us this week. You want to say how many people retweeted our post that had a lincoln? Um, and how many p people retreated our posts that didn’t have a link, because as you you know, set yourself up to separate that content, you’re better able tto learn from the data, if you see after three weeks of tracking that you have fifty retweets every you know for posts that don’t have a link and you have to re tweets for your post that have a link. Well, that’s your community saying please stop posting links to your website. We just want to talk teo on twitter of or the invert you see, everyone wants to be sharing those links to your policy. Documents, but no one is retweeting you when you’re just sharing information, we’ll make sure that your frequently not always but frequently posting with the link so separate out the data as best you can, so that when you’re tracking it, you’re able tto learn from it and take action on it. And so that was a twitter example, but facebook another place where you can easily separate things out. Is it something that you posted because it had a photo or a video? Or was it something that was just a language or even just taxed? And how? How does your community respond to those things? So look at how many people viewed at term people commented how people shared it on dh then we can talk about more of the measuring and processes in a minute, but basically the best thing you could do is just to start tracking don’t say, well, we don’t have certain things in place yet or we haven’t finished creating this really great profile photos were not really using that page yet. You doesn’t matter just start tracking now because you’re not going to be able to make those informed decisions about what. To try next, or what kind of content to start creating until you’ve at least started tracking some things so you could say, gosh, no one interacts with our videos on facebook, let’s not invest in creating another video right now today, let’s try something else instead of feeling like you have to get all of that set up ahead of time. I mean, i just wanna let you know we’ll talk about measuring success next time we’ll have, we’ll have well haven’t get engaged part for because the metrics this metric section is really important. What about the the metrics that facebook gives you, like free, post like reach on a number of people who viewed and we have just like a minute and a half or so left are those are those of value? Yes, they really can be as far as measuring kinds of your post against each other so that you can say, you know, gosh, this one reached a whole lot more people than the one we posted yesterday. But there are so many variables to that built into facebook’s system, but also into you know, what day of the week was it and what? Time of the day wasn’t and did a lot of people like it right away, and so that then translated it, showing up in all of those people new season, then all of their friends interacting with it, you know? So there are so many variables in there that it’s hard to look at, it is just a static number, you know, a magical silver bullet of a data point, but it is helpful when you do sit down tto look between posts and say, gosh, what made this one reach so many more people? Well, then you can you don’t just say, well, i guess this post is a lot better, but it gives you the opportunity to say, this is the one that reached the most what was going on here that was different. Was it in a different time of day? What is it at, you know, a different day of the week, etcetera, okay? And you and use that information. But, you know, different organizations really focus in on different metrics, so some organizations rely on the talking about facebook metric and not because it’s better or worse than anything else, but they just picked it. And said, we’re just going to stick with it so that we’re sticking with one metric for now, others, they’re looking at reach, another aspect that impacts all of that facebook data. Is it you didn’t invest any money in promoting your post, we have to leave it there. We’re going to continue this subject next time amy is on show way will have her back. I wasn’t sure, but since she’s talking she’s talking about no, of course, we’ll have get engaged part for in january in january, amy alligator, that’s, right, save the alligators, you confined amy at her blawg, amy, sample, ward, dot or ge, and on twitter she’s at amy r s ward. Ah, that’s it at me, rs word. Amy, i hope you have productive meetings in portland. Thank you so much, all right, thank you. I hope you’ll be back in the studio in january. I certainly, well, excellent. Right now we’ll take a break, and when we come back, it’s, tony’s, take two, and then gene takagi and emily chan are legal contributors on dutiful documentation. 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My block this week is cause marketing guidance from the new york attorney general cause marketing is when you team up with a company so that you raise money and they either sell stuff or they enhance their reputation or their image because they’re affiliated with your charity on dh there’s a lot of blurriness around this because a lot of people don’t really know how much money actually goes to the charity or how it’s determined how much is going to go. So the new york attorney general had some guidance five recommendations nufer i’ll just mention two of them here explain exactly what’s being donated. A lot of times you’ll see advertisements will say net proceeds to the charity we’ll net net of what? How do they define proceeds? Also after the campaign? Tell us all how much was raised. People want to know what the impact was, did they? Did they? Make a difference for you. So those are two of the five recommendations from the new york attorney general there’s more on my blogged at tony martignetti dot com the post is called cause marketing guidance from the new york attorney general, and i’m still asking for your help so many listeners. I’d be grateful if you’d rate and review the show in itunes rating is one to five stars you started our page on itunes, which you’ll find at non-profit radio dot net, or you could just search and then click view in itunes and itunes will open up and you’ll see a place for ratings and reviews. So it’s just a couple of clicks, i’d be grateful if you’d rate the show and write a short review and you do that night tunes and i’m very grateful for that. Thank you. And that is tony’s. Take two for friday, december fourteenth, the fifty first show of the year. Joining me now from san francisco. Jean takagi he’s, the principal of neo the non-profit and exempt organizations law group and he had it’s the popular non-profit law blogged dot com on twitter he is at gi tak g ta. K and also emily chan, who is an attorney at neo-sage principal contributor to the non-profit law block she’s the american bar association’s twenty twelve outstanding young non-profit lawyer, which is now coming to an end. I don’t know what she’s going to do in twenty thirteen shut the rest on morals from from the previous year, but so far that today that title’s title remains and you can follow emily on twitter at emily chan, jean and emily welcome hi, tony. Happy holidays. Hello. Thank you, emily. What you gonna do in twenty thirteen? You know, i’m not think reminding thinking about that. I’ll have to say she was last. Year’s american bar association. Outstanding. Young non-profit lawyer it’s it’s. Not the same laurel resting it’s. No. Good. We’re here to talk about documentation. How to get the right documentation and acknowledgements to your donors. But first, how to know what date the gift should be dated. Your your acknowledgement certainly has to have the date of gift gene let’s. Start with you. If if if a gift is a sent by mail us mail. What? What date do we does? The charity use for the date of gift? Well, the charity is probably going to use the postmark days, but the actual date that the don’t i get to take the deduction is the day that the donor dropped that envelope with a check in the mail box. So if it gets postmark the next day or january first, which is the next day, if they do dropped it off in december, thirty person gets post by january second. Donors have to form the charity that dropped it off. Oh, my gosh. Okay, gene, can you speak a little louder? Great. Uh, gene, can you speak a little louder for us? Yeah, absolutely. Tony so great question donors goingto take the deduction on the date. They drop it in the mailbox. But make sure that the charity knows that otherwise the charity’s gonna use the postmark date on the envelope on those could be different. That’s true. It’s. Okay, all right. And this becomes important as we’re talking about december thirty first versus january first or second when the when the gift is actually well, wouldn’t be open to probably january first. But it’s actually received and opened in the office january second or third. This becomes important. For those who wait till the last minute. Jean what about if it’s not received us mail, but it’s received by fedex because the person waited till the last minute or some other overnight service. Another great quest? Tony, don’t send last minute charitable donations through fedex if you’re trying to get a deduction in two thousand twelve because then that the charitable contribution will be deemed given when the fedex arrived and was received by the charity’s avectra steve january second that’s going to count of the two thousand thirteen death. Better to drop it in the mail that i sent it fedex on december thirty. Okay, excellent, excellent advice. And, of course, if gift his hand delivered, if somebody comes to your office, then that would be the day they handed over to you that’s. Right. Ok. Credit card donation. Same way is the day that that credit card is process. So the day that you give it, uh, okay. Well, wait now. Credit card processing, the date you you do the form online might not be the date that it actually gets to the gets to the charity and process. So how does that work? Well, it will be the day that it’s processed by the credit card companies. So it will usually be instantaneous. Okay. And would you use the date on your statement then? As the as the right date of gift watch? The donor’s probably gonna deduct it on the date that they made that charge. So yes, if they’ve got a receipt for it on december thirty first. That’s, the date you it might be different from the bank statement dated the bank takes a delay in processing. Take your receipt if you make that charitable contribution. Okay. You mean the credit card credit card receipt? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Emily let’s. Turn to you. Now, we now we’ve figured out how to know what date to put for the for the gift date. Let’s. Start with gifts of of cash. How do we appropriately acknowledge those for our donors? So, you and tony, tony, you and jane have already talked about some of the ways that you do. This is the donor. For example, looking at your bank records were having some kind of receipt that maybe automatically prints out. But when we start looking at gifts over two hundred fifty dollars, it’s important that the substantiation you have is something that actually comes from the organization. Um, and this is an irs rules, so again, default attacks mary-jo have a receipt for everything that you’re going to deduct, but when you’re looking at something over two hundred and fifty dollars, you need to make sure that the organization gives you some kind of written substantiation if you plan to take that deduction. And the funny part of this rule is that generally speaking, the organization isn’t required. Give that to you so again, as the donor is good to be informed of what you need and same thing with an organization and know what the donor needs, that you have good donorsearch right on dso our listeners are mostly the charities, so so over two hundred fifty dollars, they’re required to send an acknowledgement. No, they’re not required to something unknown judgment, but the donor is required to have one so it’s good donorsearch to put something in place for the organisation, that you’re able to issue out those in a timely manner and also with the most efficiency from the organization’s perspective, and the substantiation should say, you know what? You would expect, like, the amount of the contribution, but as well as whether that dahna received anything in return for the contribution. And if they did, how much they received a return. Okay, and we’ll get to that shortly. But also the date of the gift, right? You have to tell them, is not sufficient to just date your letter, but you have to give the date of the gift correct and it’s important to give that substantiation in what they consider a contemporaneous manner, which means before the end of the year of when the donor would make that deduction basically. Okay. Okay. Before so it before the end of twenty. Thirteen. You mean when they would claim the deduction? Is that what you mean? Right? Right. Okay. But of course, you want to do it before then, because there probably going to be filing their taxes by april fifteenth or october at the latest. Okay. All right. So now i wanna make sure i didn’t confuse listener. So two hundred fifty dollars, what’s the what’s, the what’s. The rule around two hundred fifty dollars, for two hundred fifty dollars, or more. The donor’s required to have a written substantiation from the organization the caveat here that was generally speaking, an organization isn’t required to issue one on we’ll get you an exception like he said in the seconds, but this is really important for organizations. No, not just look at what they’re required to do, but what would be a best practice to do, and it is the best practice as far as your donor issue, those, uh, received for them so that what your donor isn’t going to come back and say, hey, i tried to take the deduction that you never gave me this acknowledgement, and now i’m upset will never don’t you again, right? And of course, the really best wayto be thankful for gift and to express that is tio acknowledge every gift, even if it’s only five dollars? Yes, we would say so, but i don’t know that especially have it’s the hyre amount it’s even more important, we would say, because of this extra requirement from the irs. Okay, let’s, go teo publicly traded stock, and we’re not going toe listeners. We’re not going to talk about, um, privately held stock in privately held companies because it becomes very difficult of value. And things like that. But emily for a publicly traded stock first let’s define that. What do we mean by publicly traded? So this would begin stock that’s being treated openly on the market right now. So you would be able to look at the stock market and figure out how much it’s trading for at any given day or time. All right. And how do we acknowledge that kind of a gift? So this would be assuming that the organization is going teo, liquidate this right away, meaning that they’re also going to sell it. You’re going to treat it just like another contribution again? That could be tax deductible. So the organization is going to want to know again. Asshole of the donor. How much? That doctor’s words on the day that it’s given to the date of the gift. And basically the way that you do that. If you look at what it’s being chased out the high in the low and you take the average okay, excellent. Some people there’s some confusion. Sometimes people think it’s the value that the stock closed at on the day of the transfer. But that’s not right, it’s that average that you just explained if i can jump in it’s important to realize, though, that that’s going to be the donor’s responsibility to figure out what the deduction amount is. And the charity is giving those numbers just a matter of convenience for the donor and the donor’s tax advisor. So should there be some little caveat in your letter that says we’re not providing tax advice in giving you the value or what? What? We estimate the value of your deduction to be, i think that’s great advice, tony, to just say that caesar for internal gift recognition purposes, and to please seek guidance from your tax or financial advisor regarding the deductibility of your gift. Okay, gene let’s, stay with you. We have just a minute before a break so let’s, you know what? Let’s, just take our break and we’ll make a clean cut and, well, gene and emily and i will continue talking about documentation for quid pro quo gifts. What happens when you get a little thing back or something big back? And how do you value those things? Stay with us. Dafs you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Oppcoll have you ever considered consulting a road map when you feel you need help getting to your destination when the normal path seems blocked? A little help can come in handy when choosing an alternate route. Your natal chart is a map of your potentials. 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But if it’s a token, ida, um, then there may be no need to do that, so token item might be okay. And what is a token is actually kind of defined, um, by the amount it is, it could be a low cost item. Or it could be an item that has the organisation’s name on it on. And if it’s a low enough value than that that’s going to be okay. And so the dollar figures i’m goingto let emily provided it doesn’t come off the top of my head. But it’s the low. Cost article, i think, is nine seventy with the organisation’s name or logo and if it’s not with the organisation’s name or logo, if the mug is less than two percent the lesser of two percent of the donation or ninety seven dollars, then you don’t have to give that written disclosures statement that says the amount of the value of the item given back to the donor return. Okay, that’s, a that’s? A lot to unpack, but listeners could go back and play that play that part back-up emily does does jean have? The number is correct. Okay, okay, now, gene, that was if the if the donation is more than seventy five dollars, if the donation is less than seventy five dollars, then you don’t have the charity need not disclose what was given in return. Is that is that right? Yet although it’s going to be a good idea for the charity to do so anyway, because the donor can only deduct the amount of the payments that is actually a charitable contributions so other than for those token token items, then something for the charity to indicate. So even if he gave a fifty dollars, gift to charity. And you got twenty five dollars, back. That charity should indicate what that amount given back. Okay, so, so sort of similar to what we talked about before it’s. Just it’s. Good practice to just do it all the time. Uh, disclosed what was received all the time. Okay. Plus, i just got makes it easier for your for your gift processing people. Teo did not have different rules. Just do it all the same way each time. Yeah. And note that this comes up all the time when charity’s hold their holiday party events and copied the chicken dinner with the ticket. Um, so the chicken dinner given back is a benefit that probably is more than the token benefit or the low cost benefit. So that’s going to be something that the charity will want to get back into receipt? The whole ticket may not be deductible, but a portion, maybe. Okay. And what? What about the silent auction items that you have? You have advice around those two? Yeah. Now, that gets to be a very tricky area. Because when you received ah non-cash contribution from a donor, the charity not goingto value that so. If somebody gives you a expensive vase and they say, you know, this is our donation to you, the cherry has no responsibility and is not in the business of appraising that for the donor. The donor is gonna have to do that themselves begat the deduction. But the charity will give back a receipt stating that a description of the items given, however, the big exception is if now the charity goes ahead and take that vase and puts it into a silent auction. And somebody bids sport let’s say somebody bid five hundred dollars for that body, right? The charity has got a responsibility to let the donor or the person paying for the box know what portion is a donation. And what portion is really the value of that vase? Uh, that they’re actually making just a strict payment for quid pro quo. Because it’s part sale and part gift and only the gift portion is deductible. Okay. And how are we going, teo? Value that? Yeah. Really tricky it it depends upon the item. So you know, if it’s super expensive than the charity, may have to get an appraiser to do that, otherwise they might. Look into, you know, being if it’s a fairly modest item, you may just look on ebay or craigslist that used and try to figure it out, but you don’t have to use reasonable method based, but, you know, pop your resources and the valley of the gift. Okay, emily let’s, go teo volunteering if someone’s instead of instead of making cash gift or stock if they’re spending their time with the organization, what what does the charity have a responsibility to? Teo teo, disclose that or acknowledge it in a certain way. And what can the donor deduct? I’m not necessarily so. The thing about volunteer services that the individual volunteering not deduct. I got the value of that volunteer time. So let’s say it’s the equivalent to paying, you know, twenty dollars per hour for your bookkeeper or something like that. You’re you’re volunteering the service, an organization that not deductible. But what could be deductible are the expenses that are incurred that are related to the volunteer services. So what say the cost of gas to get to the non-profits a place of business in order to do the financial services for them? Okay, we really have to leave it there. We just have a brief moment. Emily there’s a couple of publications that are valuable for for charities to figure this stuff out. What? What are those? Please? So there’s, the irs publication seventeen. Seventy one that’s. A really easy to read pamphlet. There’s also an irs publication. Five twenty six, which is a more comprehensive guide on charitable contributions and anything that’s tricky, like art or vehicles. There are special irish publications for that as well. So i would look for that specifically. Okay. And you’ll find the pubs on iris dot. Gov. Yes, that’s correct. Okay, we have to leave it there. I want to thank. Jean takagi and emily chan are regular legal contributors from the non-profit exempt organizations. Law group. You confined them both at non-profit law blawg dot com happy holidays to both of you. 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Dear Housing Works Thrift Shops

On Thursday, Oct. 11 at about 5:15pm I intended to donate a bookcase clock to your Gramercy Thrift Shop. I had been carrying it around all day with Housing Works in mind.

While in the bag the clock unscrewed from its pedestal and I screwed it back in. The young woman accepting donations saw that and when I put it on the counter she laughed. The clock swivels in its pedestal and I surmise she decided it was broken and a worthless item.

When I asked her for an explanation she insisted, “Nothing is wrong” and chuckled when I accepted her offer of a donation form. Her unsuppressed snickering turned me off and moved me to withdraw my donation. She offered no apology or explanation.

She’s [description omitted]. The clock is 2 years old from Bombay Company.

Your thrift operations need to be more attentive to hiring and training.

I have donated to the Gramercy store previously and bought from there. My most meaningful purchases were a $250 chair with ottoman and a $100 file cabinet. I have bought smaller items as well.

Your inconsiderate employee cost you a donor and buyer.

I blog on philanthropy and fundraising. I may well blog this as an example of what not to do.

Sincerely,
Tony Martignetti

I emailed that to Housing Works’ vice president for development on a Sunday. He emailed me back on Monday:

So sorry to learn about your experience at the Thrift Shops. I’ve forwarded your email to our director of stores. I expect that you’ll hear back from her shortly.

Please know that we appreciate your generous support over the years and we hope that this experience doesn’t completely end our relationship with you. Staff training is very much important to us; however, we sometimes fall short of our customer service goals.

Feel free to call me at any time; my contact info is below.

Housing Works’ director of stores left me two messages on Tuesday. She was very apologetic. I called her back but we haven’t spoken.

Rather than an example of what not to do, which I anticipated, it’s representative of the right way to handle a customer complaint.

Well done, Housing Works.

Nonprofit Radio for September 21, 2012: Abbondanza Alliances & Claire’s Cliches

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Zoho dahna oppcoll hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for your for the other ninety five percent. I’m the aptly named host. Oh, do i hope you were with me last week? I’d be in distress if i learned that you had missed last week’s show, which started with small shop planned e-giving claire meyerhoff is the principle of the plan giving agency and this show’s creative producer. We talked about marketing gift planning in ways that are not same old, same old for small and midsize charities. Claire turned the tables and interviewed me at last year’s national conference on philanthropic planning and last week events technology, scott koegler was with me to help you with event planning, he shared free tools to collaborate with the volunteers, employees and vendors who were putting your events together. Scott is our regular technology contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news this week aban danza alliances roseanna imbriano a true italian and principle of our eye consulting encourages you to secure strategic alliances that expand your marketing and save your marketing budget because they cost you nothing and claire’s cliches. Claire meyerhoff returns two weeks in a row it’s too much already she’s, principal of the plan giving agency on dh, still creative producer of this show this week, she’s got cliches, plenty of cliches for you to avoid and simpler words to replace them. Jargon. Jail is sure to be overcrowded this week between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week is seven tips for small shop planned e-giving. I don’t think that requires any explanation. Are you on twitter while you’re listening? If you are, use the hashtag non-profit radio to join our conversation at this moment, we take a break, and when we returned roseanna imbriano and a bonanza alliances stay with me. They couldn’t limp dick, dick tooting, getting thinking, you’re listening to the talking alternative network, itching to get anything. E-giving, you could joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city in pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve? Save the dates. Judith orloff, october eighteenth and greg brady in november ninth and tenth. For early bird tickets, visit metaphysical center of newjersey dot, or or a h a n j dot net. Hi, i’m donna, and i’m done were certified mediators, and i am a family and couples licensed therapists and author of please don’t buy me ice cream are show new beginnings is about helping you and your family recover financially and emotionally and start the beginning of your life. Will answer your questions on divorce, family, court, co, parenting, personal development, new relationships, blending families and more. Dahna and i will bring you to a place of empowerment and belief that even though marriages may end, families are forever. Join us every monday, starting september tenth at ten a m on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent with me now is roseanna imbriano. She is a marketing strategist and consultant, she’s, the owner of our consulting, which you’ll find it r ight consulting llc dot com she is past president of the essex chapter of new jersey association of women business owners and his marketing director for the center for italian and italian american culture. Mary-jo no, senora, welcome, amjad no, tony, actually bump a gritty joe. Oh, i’m stumped already. What does that mean? Good. I mean, good afternoon. Okay. Thank you. I said, well, good one, john doe is ok. Can i use that? Anytime? Of course. Okay. There’ll be plenty of opportunities for you to correct me, so don’t don’t don’t jump it small, small things that i get the half right. Well, you’ve already tagged me as a true italian, so i have to live with that. All right, all right. We’re talking about strategic alliances. Abbondanzieri, alliances. What is your definition of a strategic alliance? Ah, a strategic alliance. Our two entities that are committed to each other’s success. It’s that simple. That simple. Okay, what do they what sort? Of things, do they do they do together? What? Where they committed to each other’s success. Well, uh, first of all, because it’s beneficial to both of them, uh, you want to start when you’re dealing with a non-profit teo, look at where are their supporters coming from eyes their common thread. Is there something that is unique to both of them? And you start to develop a plan of what do they need to do together? What are their goals? What? What were they looking to accomplish? Okay, so i put it down on paper. Okay, so we’re starting to look. We’re sorry. Look, for commonalities, something in common maybe could be same constituency could be related. Work would be one’s work and maybe one’s interest in in joining that work. But they’re not currently doing it. Would that be acceptable, partner? Yes, acceptable. Someone whose mission statement is similar. Okay, i pulled the listeners before the show and asked, have you looked outside your organization for other charities or cos you can ally yours with? And i think it’s very positive. One hundred percent said yes, they have done that. And the other option was no, i better listen to the show, hopefully people other than the survey listeners are listening to the show because it is only that i mean the survey completed because it was only a survey complete er’s then they wouldn’t be listening to the show unless they wanted to get even more than just strategic alliances from it. So hopefully there’s other people, but i’m sure there are no yes, and it also is that maybe those people who actually doing things on and have developed these strategical lines can do it more efficiently. They want to learn more exactly it’s where they’re listening to the show. What? What a business development person you are for me. Thank you. So now we have identified that we can save some money at this too. These don’t need to be costly, right? Yes. It is a miss in the marketing community. Uh, that in order to create business or create revenue, you need to throw money at marketing. Okay, you don’t really have to spend thousands of dollars. Some of it is right underneath your nose in terms of developing business, it’s just a different way of thinking outside the box. And so for little. Or no money. We can also get sort of ah, multiplier effect, because you’re going to be learning and gaining from your your alliance partner correct, i have actually had non-profits i’m working with or have worked with in the past that have increased their donations, or they’re giving ten percent with a one strategic alliance, okay? And but of course, it doesn’t end with increased giving. You could maybe increase volunteers or maybe gained new board members, right? I mean, there’s other things besides just giving go ahead so well in the nonprofit world, we’re always looking to do a lot more with less, and we all know that if you have been in non-profit you know that especially in these economic times, so you’re trying to think outside the box of what can you d’oh? How can you multiply your success? Whether it’s having people attend an event, whether it’s donations, whether its membership, um, there’s so many different ways and you can have strategic alliances in different areas, they don’t necessarily all have to result in just donations. So that’s the in the box thinking you need to step out of the box. Okay, so are there. Other things than the ones i mentioned that could be gained from a strategic alliance. Yes, um for instance, who you definitely have membership. You have donations. You have attendance at different events from you. If you’re doing a huge fundraiser, uh, and you want to have two hundred people that will how do you get for hundred people there? So it’s it’s different things that you want to look at? You wantto align yourself with maybe a different venue vendors that air providing services to the non-profit different other organizations that have the same mission statement. It’s endless. Okay, okay, way have just about a minute before a break. So why don’t we just start to talk about how do you start to find these partners? And then we’ll take a break and continue it. Okay, what i usually do when i’m working with non-profits has asked them where their supporters are coming from and kind of get a baseline of what they’ve done in the past and what they haven’t tried. And then then i go a little bit further and then start to do the creative part. Okay, the that thinking beyond what they’ve been doing, correct. Okay, all right. We’re going to take our break when we returned. 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Way i see the marquis. Miree tim that’s not booker t and the mgs that is michael castaldo, he’s singing brooch piela terra the theme from the godfather the reason i decided to play that is because michael introduced metoo roseanna and i wanted teo give a shout to michael. You can hear more of his music at michael castaldo dot com sabelo j c senora altum piela sabelo chairman’s what a beautiful grayce voice, of course, let’s see, i’m all i’m all a flutter now with different music. I’m i’m used to booker t and the mgs singing jelly jelly jelly roll okay, way. We’re talking about how you start too find the strategic partners are going to be that are going to be with an alliance with you. So how do we how do we get started with that? Well, we definitely have tio have a baseline when i’m working with a new non-profit you need a baseline, you need to know what they’ve done in the past and what they have not tried, according to to the strategy i implement with them and start to look at, uh, alliances that they currently have and then look at alliances that they may need to. Develop uh, i am definitely in the frame of mind to understand and teo latto isolate that this doesn’t does not need to be a process in which you need to spend a lot of money to do. You may spend the money in furthering relationships, but not necessarily to develop them on. And then once you’ve identified, you know and you’ve identified a partner, you want to know what their goals are, what goals are what your goals are. Wait, let’s, not go let’s, not go too fast. We still have to need some help identifying the right partners. You and of course, a consultant could be indispensible for this. But there are small charities that may need to do it on their own. I would think networking is a part of trying to find the right organization, right? You want to be out there in the community? Absolutely. You want to have a very professional web presence? Some of the charities that i have work with, uh, have excellent websites. Very easy to use. Very that you can maneuver and find them very easily. They have very clear, clean look, help them. Whatever makes the process simple and if you make it difficult for feeding people to find you, they’re not going to find you, obviously, and and while they’re looking for you, you could be out on the web looking for for for partners as well. How would that research where’s that research look like? Well, it depends on, you know, again identifying what you’re looking for, that’s half the battle on, once you identified the type of person that the type of alliance that you want, then it makes it easier to search the web, of course, okay, and we’ve been talking about outside partners, but this you could have an alliance with people that are already known to you, they’re just they’re not sure how to how to help you write direct or they’re not sure how to help you. So when you have these partners, they act as an advisory board as a board of directors that can help you grow your business and buy-in versa. Okay, i got to send some live listener love out. Troutdale, oregon welcome carrollton, texas welcome, dalton, georgia. Welcome, welcome live listener love going out to the pacific northwest. This and the south, mid and southeast. You talked? A little about goals. What might some of our goals of these strategic alliances b the goal for any non-profit of courses is donation worships? Uh, getting people out to events, tendencies if you have a gal, a golf outing and you have no one that comes so you know, it makes it’s no use or if you’re promoting that gal thought in three weeks before the event it’s not working, but if you take your database and within the database, you have organizations that you are aligned with that have, um, you know, an email database of ten thousand each, then multiplied your success. Okay, right. So, there’s, your multiplier, because you’re going to be sharing marketing in your example, you’re going to be sharing marketing with them, and they’ll be sharing with you and correct there’s, your there’s, your multiplayer. Okay, those of course, our relationships that are concrete that are developed and there’s a win win for both parties, right? What? So now, how do you translate some of your goals or your specific goals for the alliance into the right strategic alliance partners? Well, because you’re you’re going to determine what the goal is for both. Parties, you’re going to determine what are what are both parties looking to get out of the relationship? And is it feasible? Okay, i’m going to evaluate that over a period of time. But, i mean, as you’re doing your research to try to find the right partners, how do you go from the goal of, you know, we want more people at our golf outing next year to finding the partners that are going to help you do that to researching, you know, finding the right potential partners, right? You’re going to see if you can find the people who are commited the people who are have a vested interest in your organization in your mission and may be a partner for that particular event. A corporation, you know, a donor aa sponsor. Okay. Okay. Um and when we have identified the right alliance partner or partners, then i assume there’s some negotiation that goes on, say little about that. Yeah, you want tio? I don’t get too involved in the process. What i’d like to do is basically to write the goals down and tow. Have both parties sign it so that we know six months from now. What have we committed to and what was your portion of the deal? And what is my portion of the deal and agreed to that? Because over a period of time, people tend to forget what they promised each other, right, so and then evaluated. Okay on, we’ll get to those steps, but but the process of negotiating what’s going to be in the agreement, you know, you’ve got to give some i’ve got to give some and there’s just going, tio, we’re trying to accomplish i’m sorry. So based on what gold both parties are trying to accomplish, okay, right? And now you said you like to see this in a assigned writing should both parties actually be signing this? I believe that you should have the commitment. Yes, my my attitude has changed quite a bit over the last couple of years on that tony on ly because, like i said, i people have short memories. Sounds like you got your client’s got screwed is what you’re saying. Well, now, you know they’ll say, well, now i didn’t promise you that. Well, yes, you did. Uh, people forget what they always sit down when you’re having a meeting. And people forget so a one page document of both parties. Responsibilities signed by both parties, i think, makes more sense. Okay. And isn’t usually the executive director seo’s that you see having these conversations or is it somewhere lower or board level? What, depending on mott non-profits it’s usually the executive director? Yes. Okay. Okay. And of course, there’s an important something else you touched on evaluation, of course. So you say something about evaluating this? Well, in order for this strategic aligns tow work, both parties have to be committed. It has to be a win win if one party is winning and the other one is losing than over a period of time. It’s just going to fall apart. So you want to make sure that you evaluated every three months hyre so that neither one of the parties is wasting too much time. If the alliance is not working or if the alliance is working, just how do how do we make it work more efficiently? Okay, so we’ll go back to that written document and evaluate based on that correct and then makes the adjustment. Okay? And we can’t be afraid. Teo cut ties when things aren’t going so well, correct? There is not working for either party. It really is not it’s a waste of time and money. Okay. You have, ah, client example of successful alliance that you want to share. Yeah, actually. For the non-profit i am currently involved with, uh, which is the centre for italian? Italian american culture is an organization that has been in existence twenty one years. Um, i been in my position for the last three and a half. Last year. We were able to produce for our annual fundraiser events seventy two thousand dollars in one night. Okay. And that was significant increase, i assume, over past years, correct. It was one of the most successful in twenty one years. Okay, so it’s, not like the year before was seventy one thousand five hundred. Okay, we probably took it to the point where we did double or tripled. Um, the success. Okay. Okay. I pulled listeners for their own success around strategic alliances. And about eighty five percent said either they’ve done this either very successfully or somewhat successfully. About fifteen percent said no, not not so successful. What? What problems have you seen that we can help listeners overcome onda void when you’re developing these alliances, they both parties need to be committed. Okay, sometimes you have situations in which one party is not as committed as the other, and so there’s sort of an imbalance there. So even though even though they commit, they’re not really committed, correct? They make promises, they don’t promise, they promise and don’t deliver. Yeah, okay. Okay. So how do you how do you make sure that you’re alliance partner is serious. Ah, well, you start by choosing the right partners. It’s, just like a marriage. You start by choosing the right partner, right band. If if if. If you’re not choosing the right partner from the beginning, it really makes no difference how much effort of time or money you’re putting into it. It’s really not gonna work? So, exactly. But how do we do? Make sure that we’re getting the right partner, like instinct and research of you know what? What’s your advice around, making sure we got that right, partner. You have to kind of feel it out. It’s every every relationship is different. Every it depends on whether it’s a new relationship or something that has been there’s a history there. You have to really evaluate each individual situation is different, but you want to trust your gut instinct if your instinct for me it’s instinct, not for a lot of other people, i can pretty much read whether the relationship is going to work or not work for the non-profit or a client. Okay. On dh. Probably a good idea to maybe start small in your alliance. Start with a smaller project to do together is what i mean, something like that. Something maybe that works that way. But there many times, like in your particular industry, finding a person who has ah, ah, lot of money that they want to donate to a tower charity would be wonderful. Uh, and you know, something like that. How do you start small? You really don’t it’s a person who either want to do it or they don’t. So it’s. Very simple, simple process and my job as a consultant to these entities, there’s, just to make the process simple for both parties. Okay. Um rosanna, why don’t you share with us? What? What is what is it that you that you really love about bringing? The right parties together what really moves you about this work? Okay, we’re fortunate to live in the united states of america where non-profits thrive and that there’s a non-profit so for every mission, every possible issue out there and what what brings me the satisfaction i had for many years and continue to have a client who every christmas donates to annoy organization called oasis in patterson, and the client donates thousands of dollars every year to this non-profits the women and children could have a wonderful christmas, which they wouldn’t ordinarily have. And for me, those kind of matching up people to for a greater good is really what i live for. Ok? And how long have you been doing this work? I’ve actually been doing this all my life, but in my own business for about twelve years. All right, now you contributed to a book by new jersey women business owners. Why don’t you tell people what? What about that book and where they can find it? Okay, the book is called jersey women mean business. The big both business advice from new jersey business women owners, business owners. I’m sorry. And they could get the book at. Uh uh. Woodpecker, press dot com www dot woodpecker press dot com it is a compilation of seventy two business women across the state of new jersey. It was the brainchild of the publisher, dahna thompson. Yeah. To bring all these business women and their expert teeth to the economy and to grow the economy. Okay. Now all the contributors are not italian, though, are they? They are not, but added seventy two, we have about twenty one, twenty two women that are italian in italian american descent. Dahna third. Okay. That’s pretty good. Right? Was still still recommend the book. Okay? Yep, yep. Way. Okay, you’ll find that it woodpecker press dahna dahna thompson, by the way, is italian american. So is our editor, joyce christine. Oh, and our graphic design who person? Richelle bonem isa. So all these women together are a force to be reckoned with. Okay, alongwith you. Rosana imbriano is a marketing strategist and consultant. You’ll find her at our eye consulting. L l c dot com assume our eyes is not rhode island. That’s who’s on imbriano. Okay, it’s. Quite a coincidence. If you were in rhode island that we even better. That would be even roseanna, thank you very much for being against tony is my pleasure, it’s, always a pleasure to spend some time with you, and i think what you’re doing for non-profits is is a tremendous asset said in that industry. Oh, thank you, thank you so much, although buttering me up is not going to get you on the show. So it’s too late for that, but thank you for your kind words. I’ve gotta send live listener love, teo, somerset, new jersey, mountain view, california. 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Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business, why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com if you have big ideas and an average budget tune into the way above average tony martin any non-profit radio ideo, i’m jonah helper from next-gen charity. Welcome back, it’s, time for tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. My block this week is seven tips for small shop planned e-giving and i want to focus on just the very first one of those seven, which is you don’t have to be big to be successful at planned e-giving lots of opportunity in planned giving for small shops you basically to start with big quests or iras or something that’s, just simple for people to understand and easy for them to execute and that’s very common in people’s lives like a will or like an ira or a pension, and you just encourage people to include your charity buy-in one of those methods, you don’t have to have expertise and sophistication either on your board or as consultant, or even now in your development staff. I just want to break down the the perception and the myth that you have to be a big shop to be successful in plant e-giving it’s just not so, and there are six other tips for small shop planned e-giving on my block, which is that tony martignetti dot com and that is tony’s take two for friday, september twenty first, the fortieth show of the year. Now at the break, i had a text message. Someone requested that i play mala femina which again, my bad italian. But i’m gonna soon. Mala femina means bad lady and here’s our bad lady clare markoff climb arika half. How are you? Welcome. Hi, tony. Thanks for having me on the show. It’s. My pleasure always to have you back. Claire’s, of course, principal of the plant e-giving agency and she’s, creative producer of this very show. And this week we’re talking about claire’s cliches. Why are cliches bad, claire? Well, cliches, they’re bad because they’re old and they’re tired and they’re worn out and when you’re a non-profit trying to inspire people to volunteer for your cause, care about your cause and especially donate money your cause then you’re writing should not be tired and worn out. It should be fresh and vibrant and draw you in ok, but these air phrases that we phrases and sometimes just single words that we all understand that is a is a common understanding, even if there may be a little wordy. What’s what’s the problem with everybody, you know, if you’re using something that everybody, everybody grasps easily, well, you know, it depends on every single situation, so in some situations, when you have no time to think and you’re in a real hurry and, you know, a cliche is what comes to mind? Well, yeah, then just, you know, spit it out and use it and if your audience is, you know, inspired by that word great, but for the most part, what i find is that when people do use cliches and these air things like, you know, staying ahead of schedule or, you know, there’s millions of them and we’ll go through a list, but when people use cliches often times it’s just because they were in a habit, right? It’s a habit of using it and a lot of times what it signals to me is that if you’re in, like, a habit of using these phrases over and over, like, make a difference, make a difference, maybe it’s time for something new, and perhaps you need to re think your entire communications system and what you’re doing and what you’re telling people if you’re falling back all the time on cliches and jargon, okay, i assume you would you also would argue for economy of words, maybe using fewer words sometimes to say the same thing. Like you said the example you gave forget which phrases but another one at the present time or something you like. You like it exactly, because tony, think about how most people learn how to write you learn how to write when you’re in school, especially when you get to college so your college freshmen and you have to turn in a paper and the teacher wants fifteen pages. So as you write, you’re just like your so effusive you do just like all these words come out of you because, you know, gosh, i’ve gotta fill up fifteen page if i need to sound smart and important, so you start writing like that. But then when you get to the real world, not that many people are looking for a fifteen page paper from you’re either a five page paper from you, bennett, he needs five words from you write like a really nifty thing on a twitter or facebook or or in a postcard or something that you’re sending to your donors just a few lines to really? Did someone excited about something? It’s, not a fifteen page paper, even a two page paper. So economy aboard is really, really important to sort of change your whole mindset from that writing for writing sake to writing for, you know, being exciting and being interesting and really making your point in in a clear way that paints a picture in the person’s mind, okay? And you’re not being paid by the word. No, you’re not being paid by the word, not at all. A matter of fact, you should be thanking yourself is being paid for the fewer words, maybe you get a bonus instead of getting paid like, you know, ten cents a word instead, you’re getting paid like you know, one hundred dollars if you khun, if you could do it in half the words or something, if you think about if you think about okay, you want you want charity clarity, right? Hey, that’s! Good. I like that charity clarity. Okay, cool. You’re always pointing new phrase change one letter. I know charity clarity school alright. Came up with one the other day with one of my clients at the national wildlife federation and we had something that at first seemed terrible. This thing happened right with the letter we were sending out, and we thought it was a terrible thing. But then, all of a sudden, we realize, wait a minute, maybe that’s. Not a bad thing to think that through. And so the phrase we came up with horror and hope. Of course, i’m a fan of alliteration, ze mean, we’re here talking about claire’s cushions, so horror dankmyer strikes, right, right? Uh, right. So what? You’re gonna run time with something you think? Well, maybe there’s hope in this first you’re horrified, but maybe there’s, hope, horror and hope. Um, let’s. See? So your your interest in this goes back because you’re old radiohead, u did radio journalism? I mean that’s ah, you got to be concise in radio journalism, don’t you? Absolutely and that’s where? That’s where i come from, i’m a non-profit girl through and through mostly and fund-raising especially with plan giving, marketing and that’s what i do now, but my background is i was a in the broadcast duitz business, so i worked in radio news as a reporter and anchor it all news radio station, and i’ve also worked at cnn as a news writer, writing especially on some of the international shows, so but i always like to tell people, is when they say, well, gosh, i don’t think that i can explain our mission, you know, in in three sentences final it’ll go on and do that. I always say, you know what? I think if i could explain the ethiopia eritrea border conflict in three sentences and tell you the latest what’s going on with that conflict, give you some person effective and some background and what’s next, if i could do that in three seconds, if i think we could talk about your food pantry and i love your drop names to national wildlife federation, cnn, you know, so she squeezes those in there it’s but their admirable well, they’re the truth that our revolution and and that’s the thing and it’s details and and when you talk about writing details are actually what make it interesting, because as soon as i say, like i was a writer at cnn, like, you know what that means, like you picture that you’re like, wow, you know, when i see the person reading that on tv and i see the person covering that story, yes, someone has to write that. So when i say national wildlife federation that’s so it’s a big non-profit that you know, that has a has a big old mission. You know exactly what it is. So details are really important and writing rather than a bunch of fluffy. Words aren’t any details? Ok? Charity clarity what i always love about cnn is the people who write the the crawl i always admire, but the you know, for listeners, i don’t know what the crawleys keep myself out of jargon jail that that those words at the bottom of the screen that air that air crawling across and describing you said, you know, ethiopian eritrean border conflicts, but they’re doing it in the twitter space one hundred forty characters or less. That’s that’s really amazing, right? Sort of the original twitter when you think about it long before twitter, you had the crawl across the bottom of the screen and crawl started pretty much with breaking news, even in your local television station, maybe dio something going on, you would see that it would be like, you know, weather alert, you know, tornado warning in effect for these areas so that’s really where the crawl started and then when cable news became all the rage, you know, they started doing crawls to and, you know, think about the crawl right it’s like you’re listening to a story about the economy and business, but then there’s a crawl on the bottom that’s telling you like fifty other things, including the fact that lindsay lohan has been arrested again. So it’s it’s it’s the crawl you khun and she just she just hit somebody in new york city i think just just, she said, but it is always time latto proportion he was just looking for the money. Ok, well, really interesting that you’re non-profit involves lindsay lohan called go for what we were talking about the crawl and we were talking about writing for writing for broadcast and here’s the really important thing that you learn what you write in broadcasting and it’s called the teas and it’s a little thing that you say before you know what’s coming up i hate those damn things i hate that cheez its such a tease in the shadows dankmyer get you to stay tuned. For instance, i just thought someone about about writing teases and teases that’s applicability to toe like facebook and to your block and you know headlines for block to get people to come and read your block to read the post so if you tell them what’s in it, if you say like, you know, unemployment is up sixteen percent, you know, or whatever. Then then you’ve already told them the news and there’s no reason st john to read your blood if you say, if you say, you know, fascinating news about unemployment statistics coming up next, you know, like, oh, god, i need to hear that e i know you’re complaining, but the fact is that work, you’re doing a good job and they were i know i’m complaining because they work, they keep me teased and then what? I really get annoyed with me. All right? I’m so annoyed i gotta send out live listener love because got to counteract my annoyance live listener love staten island, new york welcome international china non jin welcome korea welcome korea welcome china more close to home. Welcome staten island live listener love out to those three as well as we still got california, virginia, new jersey, georgia it’s, incredible, texas okay, i feel better know the reason i don’t like to tease is because it works, but you know, what really gets me about the tease is when they tease it and then there’s the commercial break and then they don’t, then they don’t fulfill and then and then wolf blitzer teases, and then he teases it again before the next commercial. Yeah, that’s, that that is very, very annoying. And i do if i’m going to be teased like that, i want i want to pay for it. And then and then, if there’s no real payoff like if it’s the greatest thing you’ve ever seen, like the greatest video you’ve ever seen in your life, then maybe that’s one thing, but if it falls flat, which a lot of times stories d’oh, it’s like you need to deliver. So let’s, think about that in your non-profit writing. So you have a newsletter and you know, it folded up four ways, right? Put in the mailbox and then it lands on your you know, boardmember kitchen counter with all her mail, and she picks it up, right and and it’s it’s folded over his little piece of tape. So you want her to open that. So if you if it’s really like boring on the outside, well, maybe should not even gonna open it, not gonna open it for days. So the thing is to think about what’s on the outside and that little space that you have right a tease. So instead of saying like news and information inside, well, that’s real estate that you’re wasting writing teams there say, like, you know, what’s what’s, the biggest thing that’s happened lately, you know what? That was totally i just thought of that. I mean, i don’t know what your biggest thing is. So even that’s better than then news and interesting information. You look out the information, look how good clarence c i was ranting about wolf blitzer, and she brings it back to the yurt fund-raising newsletter on the kitchen table so so well, so well, adjudicator so thank you. I know i’m grossly inelegant. That’s why claire’s associated with the show to keep me in. I’d like to give a little shout out to the person who taught me everything i knew and that was built. Torrey william tory who’s, the network newscaster worked in neutral radio news and nbc and everywhere else and is a long time d c news guy. And when i was an american university in the early eighties, i’m dating myself here. Oh, my god, you’re really you’re in college in the early eighties. Oh, my god, i was in college in the early eighties, graduated college in eighty three along with my friends julie malkin and angie column these and these are all people now that work for top notch news agencies, and we were all in the same class together. We were young, twenty twenty one year old students in d c very excited about working in the business. Our teacher was built, torrey. And he came from the business which was so important, because in communications, sometimes you get these teachers that are academics, and they’ve never actually worked in the business. But bill had worked, you know, in news and was probably working at the time we had him and he would say things like the beginning of class you take, okay? Let’s say, something’s happening down on you? No dupont circle. How did you get there from here? And, you know, some of the kids to be like, well, i don’t know i’m not very good at directions, but i would raise my hand and say, oh, massachusetts having to make a left and it was it was really interesting. Way to see, like, who could be a reporter? Okay, that was you. Know it’s, that project stuff, so the writing that he taught us was great, because he would say, just say it. So the classic thing i always remembered, all right, one last shot, and then i got to just say, we got to take a break, go ahead, say it, we got to take a break, okay, we’ll make it really quick with the word used, bill said to us. Well, the last time you heard someone say, i saw three youths running down the street, youth, all right, i’m going to quibble with that one, okay, we got to take a break when we returned the way, come back with claire’s cliches, principle of the plan giving agency creative producer of this very show. You may be surprised to know that we have one, but you’re talking. You’re listening to her stay with us, talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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And i just realized, of course mean, before every break i tease. So i’m a hypocrite. Well, learn. You learn from me. So i helped you build out the show. So i taught you about the cases on the brakes and things like that. But you did teach me that much let’s not get carried away. You talking a few things, but no, he taught me a lot about your hot considerably. Yes, my clock. My time sheet. Okay. So youth, you know, what’s. So what’s wrong with saying we do youth youth development or youth mentoring? Well, i mean, that’s. Fine, if that’s if you’re talking to another person in the nonprofit sector, so say you’re at a conference and you need someone and it’s that’s the easiest thing to say, like, well, you know what is what is? What is new beginnings all about? They see your name tag, right says you’re non-profit beginning what’s new beginnings. Hold over your development agency, that person that works in the non-profit they know immediately what that is it’s shorthand. But now when you’re in the real world, if you meet someone at a cocktail party and perhaps there your next big donor, and they say, oh, well, what do you d’oh? I haven’t non-profit called new beginnings really well, what’s that oh, used development, the person might be like let’s say they don’t work in schools or anything even remotely related to that you’re just gonna they’re gonna tune you out instead of saying, well, gosh, you know, we heat we help teenagers that are really having a rough time, and they come to a failing in school and they come to be of a program where they come every day for two hours and by the end of six weeks there, you know, now they’re they’re getting, you know, degrades and and they all have an after school job, right? A detail much richer. Um and yeah, just you, right don’t write for for people in the nonprofit world because a lot of times, you’re not talking to them, all right? Because, you know, shorthanded fine jargon is fine when you’re talking amongst yourself, and sometimes you come up with your own jargon, like like my my favorite client of the national wildlife federation, we have it, we have a term called block and it just means, like, make stuff like, like, oh, we have this new thing all of a sudden she’ll say what we need to block and that just means we know what that means, it’s like, okay, we’ve got to come up with, you know, like the mailings were going to do, and they were going to write things that were going off. We have all these things, and we already know, like what that means, but i can’t go to someone else and say, let’s, watch, right? Of course, that shorthand that we’ve come up with. Now you have a block post work together, you have a block post on this subject, which has a list of jargon, e words, a big list of words and phrases on we’re going to talk about a couple of them, but why don’t you tell people where they can see your comprehensive list of jargon offenses? Well, i’m i’m a frequent tour or sometimes frequent writer and blogger for non-profit marketing guy dot com, which is run by the marvelous stand kitty larue miller, who was really just a genius, and i tend to write for her all kinds of stuff about the media were related to the media, so i wrote a three part series recently about georgian and cliches and writing more concisely and writing more. Okay, where can we find it? Non-profit marketing died dot com mark non-profit marketing guide dot com con word not, or there may be a link to it on your i’ll have to put it on your page. Well, you’re welcome to put it on the show’s facebook page and also the show’s linked linked in group two don’t forget linked in okay, so you go if you go, you know you go to non-profit marketing guy dot com and you’ll see the block and i’m right now. In the second post, my most recent ones so titled jargon jargon, we got jargon, we just have about ninety seconds left. Claire meyerhoff what’s wrong with despite the fact that despite the fact that it’s just long it’s long, why would does anybody say that when you, when you’re talking, despite the fact that no it’s just but okay, all right, i might quibble with some of these not that one i don’t really like, despite the fact that it’s funny it’s like they were, you know, these are from bill torrey, my college teacher had these years ago. And, you know, they’re collected from different sources, like the bbc, the ap, you know, put together by some of these teachers at american university that he worked with, like lincoln, ferber and and and all those guys. So these air list just kind of had around, and he scanned them and sentence which is and wonderful service. What if we render assistance to people? What? What? Everything render assistance to, would you say, would you say i was driving down the street and i saw this poor woman and she had a flat tire, so i immediately pulled over and rendered assistance. I would not say that. I would probably say something more like help. Yeah, i pulled over and helped her system. I would even say assisted right, helped helped. Right? And the thing is, when you use long stuff like that, you know, you could put more details in there. So instead of saying i immediately pulled my car over to the side of the road, you could say, like, you know, she was she was down on her, you know? She was sitting there on the ground that she looked so sad trying to figure out daddy is jack. So i came over and helped, so i helped her way have to leave it there. Claire meyerhoff, principal of the plant e-giving agency. And this show’s creative producer clare, thank you so much for being on again. Thanks, tony it’s. Always a pleasure. My pleasure as well. Even though it’s been two weeks in a row. Still my pleasure, claire. I hope you’ll be with me next week when emily chan will return she’s one of our legal contributors she’s going to be alone. Jean will not be with her she’s from the non-profit and exempt organizations more group and she’ll have something interesting and we’ll have some fun around the law. Have you joined arlington group? You heard me mention it for pete’s sake. Join the group and i’ll stop saying it. You can post your follow-up questions and the guests will answer on the linked in group i host a podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy. 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Nonprofit Radio for September 7, 2012: Get Out and Positively Communicate & SECrets

Big Nonprofit Ideas for the Other 95%

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Interviewing Sharyn Abbott at NextGen:Charity 2011
Sharyn Abbott: Get Out and Positively Communicate

Sharyn Abbott is the author of Mixing It Up! The Entrepreneur’s New Testament and her strategies apply to small- and mid-size nonprofits, too. At the NextGen:Charity conference in 2011 we talked about networking your nonprofit; recruiting and hiring motivated people; and positive communications. Sharyn reads my face to tell me what kind of communicator I am.

 

 

Maria Semple
Maria Semple: SECrets

Maria Semple is the author of Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now! and our prospect research contributor. This month she pans for research gold in SEC corporate filings.

 

 


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Durney hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio for friday, september seventh. I’m very glad you’re with me. We’re talking about big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent, and i’m your aptly named host. Oh, how i wish i hope that you were with me last week, i couldn’t stand knowing that you had missed i had a great interview, but i didn’t get the job, suzanne felder, a consultant in outplacement at lee, hacked harrison said, there’s more to getting a job than having a good resume an interview we talked about research, confident networking panel interviewing, dodging salary questions and what to do in those last thirty minutes before your interview. Also storytelling, rochelle shoretz, founder and executive director of shark share it shared a compelling story herself. As a two time breast cancer survivor, shark share, it has built a culture of compassionate storytelling to help its members through their cancer diagnoses and treatments. Rochelle had ideas on interviewing, sorry, identifying storytellers, supporting them, giving them multiple ways to share helping them through this very personal process and why all that is worth your time this week. Get out and communicate positively. Sharon abbott is the author of mixing it up, the entrepreneurs, new testament and her strategies applied a small and midsize non-profits as well. At the nextgencharity conference in two thousand eleven, we talked about networking your non-profit recruiting and hiring motivated people and positive communications. Sharon reads my face to tell me what kind of communicator i am and secrets maria simple is the author of panning for gold. To find your best donorsearch prospects now exclamation mark and our prospect research contributor this month, she pans for research gold in sec corporate filings. That’s securities exchange commission on tony’s, take two between the guests. You can still get a free copy of my book if you take my charity registration survey, but not after this week use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. We take a break when we return it’s, get out and communicate positively with sharon abbott and i hope you stay with me. E-giving didn’t think dick tooting good ending. You’re listening to the talking alternate network, getting anything. Get in. Cubine joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city in pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. Are you ready for twelve twenty one twelve, save the dates. Judith orloff, october eighteenth and greg brady in november ninth and tenth. For early bird tickets, visit metaphysical center of newjersey dot, or or a h a n j dot net. Hi, i’m donna, and i’m done were certified mediators, and i am a family and couples licensed therapists and author of please don’t buy me ice cream. Our show, new beginnings is about helping you and your family recover financially and emotionally and start the beginning of your life. Will answer your questions on divorce, family, court, co, parenting, personal development, new relationships, blending families and more. Dahna and i will bring you to a place of empowerment and belief that even though marriages may end, families are forever. Join us every monday, starting september tenth at ten a m on talking alternative dot com. Dafs you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Schnoll hi there and welcome back, here’s my interview with sharon abbott. Get out and communicate positively welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven. We are at the tribeca performing arts center in downtown manhattan. With me now is sharon abila. Sharon is the author of mixing it up, the entrepreneurs new testament talk about some of her entrepreneurial success ideas and how those probably very well translate to your work in non-profits oh, and maybe some of her positive communication techniques also. Sharon abbott, welcome to the show. Thank you, tony it’s. A pleasure. Pleasure to have you, huh? Let’s, talk a little about some of your entrepreneurial success ideas with the with our audience of small and midsize charity leaders in mind. What what’s? The first thing you’d like to share. Well, what i truly believe is the better connected and non-profit is better that they will do. I taught entrepreneur skills for over twenty years to small businesses. And i would bring in and non-profit to every group that i had. And at one time, i had twenty two different groups with twenty two twenty report people in every group. I teach people how to be philanthropic to teach him to get back to their community, and what i found is the skills of the entre piers needed were the same as the non-profits needed, so i talked on how to get out in the community, how to get volunteers to work with them, how to engage other people so that they didn’t have to do all the work and how they brought in aborted director who was more proactive rather than a board of directors by name. So that made a huge difference to the non-profits ahs well, as one of the thing that’s really hard, especially when everyone perceives the economic times being as bad as they are is that people are tired of all these organisations putting out their hand just expecting a check, and so they need to get something back. And so i created all these different programs there fund-raising activities that are fun that people want to participate in that make it much easier for a non-profit to get their budget back-up where it needs to be to be self sustaining and they don’t have to work this hard so they couldn’t have ah. Lot of them do got tournaments, or they might do silent auctions, or they might do a single stance. I did a big band dance for easter seals one year i did, it was a costume party. We kind of did it like a old victorian kind of party where everybody came in as a character in the victorian era. Very themed events, right? And that way, people, they really feel like they’re participating more in the non-profit rather than just here’s a check, you know, i’m done well, let’s, go into some detail about let’s start with you mentioned getting into the community. What ideas do you have specifically that non-profits khun khun execute? Well, i know in california that almost every non-profit thinks that they just need to join a chamber and then once they join the chamber, they’re done. But the activity that they have in the chamber is actually the important part, not just joining the chamber. What would you like to see them doing? They need to be on various committees like if they were to volunteer for ambassadors. The ambassadors have to go out to every business, right? Shake hands, what you’re doing and people used to ask me, oh, you work for the chamber is no, i’m just out here helping the chamber get better known what they need to have happen in the community, and then that brought mean, more business, so i thought, well, if it works for me, it’ll work for anybody, and it does. So if non-profit goes out and they just find out from all of the different businesses what business needs and then takes it back to the chamber, their face, they’re non-profit so that’s a great way of becoming very active when they’re all trainers have fund-raising bones where non-profits can actually be feature so they could be part of the but how about beyond joining the chamber and being active in that way as an ambassador? What other advice about getting out into the community? You know, all of the leads groups that are out there, i used to run my lines with let’s, say, it’s, a business development kind of organization where people get together on a weekly basis, which most of them do, and they have coffee and everybody talks about their business, and they said this what i’m looking for this is what i have to offer so there are business leads group, and you can find them listed in the business section of every paper there’s, a website called am city dot com that list all of the business events that that are all around the country. Ok, everyone wear you just search for new york and you’ll find the in sample is going to see francisco baizman i think it’s probably the times here, but in san is a journey. So you know, it’s one of those so am city dot com and you can see every event that’s going on every week, so if you go out to a very so let’s say, you meet twenty people this week, one out of twenty will either be somebody that will be on the board, active in the community, help promote non-profit helped organize a fundraiser. Somebody in that twenty people is going to be involved with that non-profit interesting. You really want to see non-profits getting out into the business community first. First things we’ve talked about so far been making those business connections, not staying within your within the non-profit committee exactly because he wants the money, why stay? In a community where everybody knows when you go out into a community where no one knows who you are and they’re the ones who have the money, right, let’s share one more idea getting that non-profit out there most non-profits don’t realize that they can do a speaking circuit rotary lions. Quanah is all of those kinds of social organisations, and those organizations do kind of quirky things like if you talk out of turn your find a dollar, you promote your business and return to find five dollars. Well, that money is allocated to helping non-profit so if every non-profit were to go out to one of those once a week and literally their morning, noon and night, you goto seventy a week and not run out of him in a year, and so you go out to these organizations. You said, this is my cause this is what i’m doing. I need your this is why here’s, the result of what happens when we get out, they literally right chats on this spot, and i know there are a lot of these groups just in the new york area you mentioned a bunch of different professional association. But rotary isn’t there’s a rotary in every county, probably in one box there’s six you go well i know that at least one in every county. So this’s a big area right? There are a lot of opportunity plus you mentioned all the other membership organisations lion lion’s, alanis, optimus professional business women e women network really? When you look in the paper you think when i had a travel agency in nineteen ninety one justus the gulf war was starting i went out morning, noon and night six days a week and i built a travel agency from thirty thousand a month two, three hundred and seventy five thousand a month in three and a half years by doing justice so it was all handshaking and getting to know people and making sure that people knew who i was even though no one was traveling with so i hit it at the worst time but managed to build my business in a way that nobody else had ever thought they didn’t spend a dime on advertise you just had transit costs to all the meetings i’m joking you know, i think the point is very low cost plus it should be fun for executive director seo’s mean, they should be enjoying being out in the community in the business community, talking about their work. That’s. The biggest issue is people have fun when they’re doing something that they’re connecting with people. And when these organizations see how much fun that you’re having, they want to be more part of it. So when when people are making, oh, would you write me a check, or we, you know, we’re short on the budget? Could you help us out? It’s really kind of gloomy, and people don’t like being part of that, so you make it funding it, changing, talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Dahna are you fed up with talking points, rhetoric everywhere you turn left or right? 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I’m christine cronin, president of n y charities dot orc. You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m gonna guess you have advice about hiring, so bringing people to your organization and that starts the top, but he actually even applies to the board hiring, hiring the top. But what advice do you have about bringing people in and making sure you get people who are going to be passionate latto love the mission and the innovative thinkers way hyre these kinds of people, you know, i think one of the hardest things for non-profit is inviting people into their board of directors who actually have the connections, and that will make a difference for the organization. So there’s, a lot of people who are semi retired retired and they volunteer for non-profits but technically they don’t have the contacts and they don’t have the ability to go out in the community and start helping promote other people. So if a non-profit were to look at what your database like, do you have social media contacts? Falik what experience have you had with non-profits before? What were the results treated? Just like a job interview? So don’t take anyone on your board unless they really are bringing something to the table. That’s a huge issue there’s a lot of non-profits who just think, oh, so grateful you’ve even ask to be born or sometimes it’s way desperately need a lawyer or an accountant, so we’ll just take the first one that we that we get introduced to and we end up with just somebody who’s just brings that skill, but nothing mohr related to your to your important charitable work, and they might think that they save, you know, ten thousand a year on legal cost, but they lose one hundred thousand year by not having the right person connected with the non-profits so that’s really important that they look at, you know, what is the cost? Buy-in yes, of what a person is bringing to their nonprofit organization, right? So that’s, excellent for board recruitment. How about about hiring employees within the organization? Would you like to see ceos and executive director? I have been speaking where people are unemployed for over twenty years, and i am surprised because i have a little blank card and i have them right on their what would i like to do most of anything now that i don’t have a job? And i would say twenty percent say that. They want to work with non-profit any fashion, some even say that worked for free just so that they can beat heart of that community and giving back. When a non-profit is looking for an executive director, that person better be a network. They better be the horn shaker. They need to be up to date on technology, open minded touring, different fund-raising concept instead of the same old, same old thing. Because what work five years ago does not even come close to working today? And so they have to always on top of what the technology is. We heard this morning how text messaging is so important because the thirty year olds are now not opening email and even, you know, ten percent or everybody in the world only opens with that was that aria finger still about texting to e? J just had her as a guest before you came on, and i was talking about actually fifteen and sixteen year olds motivating them, and she said, you know, get them where they are text, right? Saving forty, two hundred messages a month for sixteen year old girls or something. Yeah, right, exactly. So you know that’s. What keeping up with technology will do for someone is always looking at what else can they do? Most non-profits don’t have a log that’s a big mistake, because that who in the non-profit you like to see doing that block duitz in the name of the executive director will be in the name of the executive director because that builds the relationship with the person who has the most visibility in the community and the most visibility and on able to make decisions for the non-profit because a lot of times you could have someone else write it in the office, but it should be in the name of the director let’s talk a little more about hiring now we’ve talked about the board, what on what the board should be looking for in the executive director. What should the executive director be doing to make sure that he or she is hiring the right people that are going to be supporting? Well, i think the skill set is going to depend on how much the non-profit is doing in the community. So if if it’s just administrative work that’s one thing that’s easy too, but the biggest give back in a non-profit is the person who has that innovative ability to figure out how they can use technology, how they khun reach out into the community, draw more people in there’s, there’s so many different things, like most people don’t realize that you can actually go to a restaurant and say, i haven’t event coming up in thirty days, and almost every restaurant will say, because you’re non-profit will donate a lung, right? And then what i would do is i would package twelve lunches and have it lunch for a year and auction it off, you know, and just simple little things like that if you have people who are willing to go out, do things like that hey, back, that employee ends up paying for their own sour, and when we’re in the hiring process, how do we make sure we’re getting somebody like that in our the questions i think would be, how do you feel about being out in the business community? Are you comfortable picking up the phone and talking to people you don’t know? You know, what would you do in a situation where we need to create a new event? What? Would you do? What would you suggest? How would we go about creating and see how people are created? There’s also facial recognition technique, and i teach a course it’s called about face, and it actually helps means clever figure out what your face tells me about how to communicate with you, but also how well you communicate with other people to someone who has a larger bottom lip is a good listener, right? It’s great if you need to listen, but if they’re the person who has to be out in the community speaking, you want them to have a larger offgrid all right, we’re going to talk more about this very, very short that just want to remind listeners that i’m with sharon abbott at the next-gen charity conference two thousand eleven in new york city. Her latest book is mixed. Is this the latest mixing it up? This’s just been revised by have eight books. Okay, we’re giving credit to this one because it’s related to our topic it’s mixing it up, the entrepreneurs new testament and you’ll find sharon abbott at sharon abbott dot com but you need to know that she spells her name s h a, r y and and two b’s and two teas and labbate and then dot com. So i should just sell the whole thing out instead of pieces. Sharon and then a. And then at the end, there’s two teas, and then after the others to be. How do we know you have busted a sharon abbott dot com? Someone who’s. A good listener has a larger lower lip. How does that why is that true? Well, back in aristotle’s time, in the fourteenth century, he began this whole study. It’s called physiognomy and judge jones in nineteen thirty five. Jones in chicago started looking at people who were presented to him in his courtroom. And he kept the law and he would have guilty. Not guilty, not guilty. And according to the jury’s findings, he was ninety percent accurate based on looking at someone’s face. So i took that information. I thought, wait a minute. What if we could use this for communication styling? So if i look at you, i know that you like it when people get to the point. You want people that you’re looking at me now, they should just e i like it when people get to the point based on what makes you draw that concern your nose. But how does a physical feature convey personality? There’s a science to it? This is actually the society of reading your face, so i know that i’m going to get to the point i’m not going to talk to take the long way around, so i’m going to actually say that she’s, right? But i think i’m a patient listener also, i don’t want your lip is larger on the bottom, then the top, so you’re a really good listener almost twice is good at listening as you are speaking and you know you’re good at speed, so the difference is all ego now blushing to what it was blushing cheeks metoo means you could still feel it must be some downsides. Where show me something, tell me about something that i’m shortcoming. Well, let’s say i needed to explain a project to you. The squareness of the bottom of your chin tells me i have to get to the point, which means i can’t tell you all about the details, but also my nose conveyed that to you to ration, but there’s there’s this point where you’re going, i don’t want to know how you’re you build it. I just want to know when it’s going to be built and so people who have a need to explain every detail will get very frustrated because you’re looking at and go, you know i’ve got things to do. You just tell me what i need to do, and we’re done. This is embarrassing now, because she’s sizing happens there’s a pretty accurate this is not like fortune telling this’s she’s going anything. Is there anything else? Oh, absolutely. All right, one more go ahead. I’m getting paid now don’t think this is actually quite insightful. This portion right above your eyebrows is now for radio listeners she’s putting her finger in between my eyebrows right in between her. I’m i mean, we’re not there’s no contact. She says they happen. There is no physical contact at all. It’s. Unbelievable. So this tells me that you like information in order. So you want to give me this first, then this then that in order. But i pluck my eyebrows. So if i had one morale straight across with that unibrow, not in style. No, this is the logic. This is, like minus flat, right she’s again, she’s. Talking about the space between her eyebrows and the forehead. Right? So i have a logical personality. You have a logical personality. So you really want things in order? First, there’s. A lot of people who you’ll see it’s just totally slanted back. Those people who they understand process, and then they immediately know how it applies to the long term physiognomy is the physiognomy, okay, that’s, the practice and google physiognomy and sharon abbott as well. We’re going to go off this now, but that was that was that was pretty much on point. Yeah, i didn’t disagree with anything. You just told me about myself. I learned something. Okay, let’s, talk a little about your, um, your positive communication technique since we’re talking about the way people like to communicate and your judging this by there by there face what are some of the positive communication techniques that people should be using? Well, i think it’s really difficult for a lot of people to stay civ in what i believe is a perceived economy. Now, i cannot argue with the numbers, you know, we do have the highest unemployment rate of this time. There are fewer people donating to non-profits, you know, you kind of get point. So how do we actually project a positive attitude when we know that this is on everyone’s mind? So my attitude is no one came along, scraped up all the money and locked it up, and they’re not magically waiting to the day that everybody says, ok, we could take the money out now so where is the money? It’s just moved, so when we’re communicating with people and we start thinking about all right, so what do i have to do to be that person that somebody wants to give, what they have allocated their ten percent toe a non-profit communicating in a positive manner instead of we need money, we need thio raise his phones. It would be when people are involved with our non-profit these this is what we’re giving back to, and the long term benefit for you is so it’s turning something around, you’re saying the same thing, but in a positive manner and making the person that you’re talking with more comfortable with the idea of being involved. So the simple technique, but it’s phrasing, how you actually phrase what you’re talking about and allowing the other person. So this is where this comes into play. If you’re talking to somebody who has a larger upper lip, you make sure that they have more than enough time to talk. Oppcoll let’s, let’s give an example of phrasing something positively that that in a positive way, we do that, that someone wouldn’t be well, take a negative and make it sort of a positive people could understand making this positive communication give me a negative. It’s i’m cold rooms cold. I’m too cold in this room instead of saying i’m too cold them and that’s an easy fix starting now, let’s, let’s put on a sweater. You don’t put on the jacket, you know let’s, move a little bit. Start getting your blood moving a little bit so that you can actually be warmer dahna but let’s say challenging one would be i called all these people and no one’s calling me back. Dahna right? And that happens a lot. You know, when when i’m actually very business oriented, which i think makes a big difference. A lot of people get into non-profit and they think it is not for-profit and non-profit have to be profit minded, so they have to know that they’re making more money than what it costs him to run the organization. So i do things like i make twenty dials. I know that ten people answer the phone. I know that if i leave five voicemail messages on ly one person’s going to call me back, is it worth my while to return those calls and call somebody who doesn’t call me back? So do i look at the possibility? That that person is out of town busy, you know, family things going on and then call them again anyway. So my rule of thumb is you take a situation where somebody nobody’s calling me back, i don’t know what to do, and then they get into that funk. So how do you turn it around? So what i found is that for every organization there is a time a day, a day of the week that has the best return, so i call on monday morning at nine o’clock i’m not likely to get the right people that answer the phone because they’re setting up their week. They’ve got their sales meetings, whatever is going so i know that if i call thirty, people are kind of wrapping up their morning and they’re getting ready for lunch if i call it one thirty they’ve just gotten back for lunch. They might be late back from lunch so there’s these windows of time ten to eleven one, two, three and i know that monday’s not the best day in friday’s, not the best day. So if i make my calls tuesday, wednesday and thursday then i’m gonna have a much better ratio if i can improve my ratios even ten percent, then i improve my bottom once. So why not treat a business like a non-profit as a true business and actually track what we’re doing having results so that we know that if this isn’t working, we have to sure and start doing something else. Most people keep doing the same thing over and over again, and it drives them crazy, right? The definition of insanity, but they don’t never realise all need to do a shift. What it is that they’re doing so that they end up having better results. We have to stop there. Sharon abbott, one of her eight books is mixing it up. The entrepreneurs new testament one thank you very much for being a guest. You’re welcome. Thank you, tony. Thank you. Even with my big lower lip. Tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the nextgencharity conference two thousand eleven. Thank you very much for joining us. 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The book is called charity registration state by state guidelines for compliance, and i really am interested in getting too familiar with lots of people’s understanding about this morass of charity registration laws in each state. So if you take the three minute survey, you could get the free book. It’ll be a download, but only until saturday the fifteenth of september, and you’ll find the link to the survey on my blogged at tony martignetti dot com that is tony’s take two for friday, september seventh, the thirty eighth show of the year. Maria semple is with me now you know her she’s, the prospect finder she’s, a trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder. Dot com and her book is panning for gold find your best donorsearch now you can follow her on twitter at maria simple. Maria simple welcome hey tony, how are you today? I’m doing great, thank you. We’re talking about secrets. What is the this securities and exchange commission data? Well, there’s a lot of very interesting data that we can look at as non-profits to try and find some potential new donors for us as well as maybe some people who are current donors that we just didn’t realize are connected to public companies as corporate insiders. So let’s talk about corporate insiders because i want to make sure that everybody really understands what that is. We hear so much, i guess, in the news about insider trading and it’s always, you know, portrayed in a negative light, and that means that people who are corporate insiders have done something illegal with information they have as as insiders. But basically, if you’re an inside, earthy defines you as falling into one of three categories, you’re either one of the top officers of the company, usually there’s about five, six, seven people around that number listed. You are one of the board of directors of that public company, or you just happen to be a person or an entity that holds ten percent or more of the outstanding stock of that company. So if you fall into one of those three categories, you must report all of your trading activity in that company to the securities and exchange commission. And all of that data is public knowledge. Okay, so insiders have to file with the company’s about there their holdings within the companies that they’re insiders for that’s, right? And then also, public companies also file with the sec. They must right. Right? Right. So, i mean, you know, the information can be found if you happen to know that a particular process effect is connected to a public company as a corporate insider, maybe they sit on the corporate board of that particular company. You can actually go to that company’s website. And typically the tab that you would be looking for in a company’s website is called investor relations. Ok, for the companies themselves do have the data. All right, on course. We can also get it from the sec. But before we go further let’s, keep it. Let’s, keep each other out of jargon jail. Let’s. Make sure everybody understands what is a public company. So a public company is a company that is has issued stock and its trading on the market. I guess the most famous one that we saw go from a a private to a public company recently with facebook. Right? So, prior to that, all of the information was private. Uh, no. No information had to be released to the public about salary information att saturday. Other compensation data. But now that they’re a public company and the public now owns shares of that company owns part of the company, they have to be able to report all the all the goings on all the various pilings about, you know not only what the corporate insiders were doing, but obviously all the data related to other financial information for the company. Okay, it’s, the difference between privately held on dh public that’s. Right? Ok. So what kind of data can we find about? About what we’re interested in the people, the insiders. What kind of people? What kind of info can we find? Well, the interesting information you confined if somebody is a top officer at the company, you confined their their salary and other compensation data, and they actually have charts of that data going back over a three year period so you can actually see whether they’ve had what their big salary wass what commit other compensation that they might have maybe bonuses, etcetera? Um, really key? I think teo looking at this data is stock ownership because very often a non-profit especially if they are in, say, in a capital campaign or an endowment campaign mode where they’re really looking for major gift, i’m trying to get a gift of appreciated stock, a supposed to getting a gift of outright cash from a particular donor could be very beneficial, so, you know, just understanding whether or not you have people in your own fund-raising database, whether or not they may be one of these corporate insiders who khun gift you stock, that would be fabulous to know. And, you know, the screening companies can help identify that for you if you’re not able to self identify who those corporate insiders are in your database, okay? And there could be other there’s other stuff that’s disclosed as well, like all their their fringe benefits and things right, which can include insurance policies, that’s, right, all their employment agreement. You know, you’ve heard of people who have these golden parachutes, right? If they’re released from a company. So all of that is actually outlined in these particular employment agreements eyes that maria, i’m sorry is the agreements themselves or public? So, yeah, they they actually will say, you know, if this person is terminated, thiss personnel will be subject to earning x number of dollars, maybe even shares of stock upon their termination. But i’m just curious, can you actually see the language of their employment contract or that i don’t see is the language of the employment contract, but within the proxy statements which is filing statement that this information is contained within that’s where you would find really that the juicy, the meat of it all that if that is of importance to you, if you have somebody who is, perhaps, you know, a corporate insider and maybe, uh, you know, has just been let go or will be let go, you can actually find that information was just like looking i would if i could see people’s employment. Contracts, but now just some juicy details. Yeah, exactly details, no other juicy details that i like pulling out of this is also bios of the dads, the entire board of directors of, ah, of a public company, so it’ll give somebody’s age. So right? Yeah. I mean, you know, you do plan giving tony, so understanding whether or not somebody is maybe perhaps even a prime planned e-giving prospect based upon their age that’s disclosed in this statement you have a bio that would contain where they’re currently employed other corporate boards that they sit on so very often i’ll read about bio, yeah, within a corporate proxy, and then i’ll realize, oh, i didn’t realize this person also sat on another board of directors, so their insider over there, too, right? So then that makes me, you know, have to, you know, then i know just from that key piece of information here’s, another area i need to explore as i’m doing my prospect research that they may actually own, you know, significant shares in this other companies, right and it’s, just to remind people that in a way that you might find that someone is an insider. Because you might not know it is setting up the google alerts, the free google lorts that you and i have talked about a couple of times in the past, if you have those on your major donors, then information about them and the company that they’re an insider for we’ll come right to your rage. Your inbox? Yes, i think it should you know why? Because when they have let’s say i maria semple, where a corporate insider, maybe i sat on the board of directors of the company. I just used to use me as an example, but now you’ve learned yeah, point likelihood of that ever happening. So so even test really small it’s not even worth it. You’ll start using one of your other regular control, anybody but me. Yeah, you’re much better off if you have much good or likelihood of being inside. If i traded today in a public company and i were a corporate insider, i need to let the know within two business days. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, you know, from a product you know, as a prospect researcher it’s. Terrific. Because you know that if you’re looking at particular filings, you will be able to see whether that person has how much stock they have within a two day accuracy period. Okay, that’s. Incredible. So, yeah, well, all of that came about, you know, and because of the recent financial meltdown, et cetera, in the early two thousand’s, but there was definitely some new laws that went into a fake into effect under the sarbanes oxley act. And so they ended up saying, okay, you know what? You used to have a longer period, so let us now. Now we’re shortening it two days since you mentioned plan giving earlier something else you might find out about his people’s retirement plans with the cup with the company that’s, right? That’s, right. So might give you some some idea there as well, whether or not they’re gonna have maybe, you know, a significant amount of money that they were going to have to do something with. So, you know, why not know about that? And be prepared to have a conversation with them? So we have just about a minute and a half before our first break. What? So you mentioned the proxy statement. That’s. One thing that has to be filed. That’s filed by the companies or by the insiders, those air filed by the company’s once a year, once a year, they’re filed with the securities and exchange commission. They’re known as to other things actually notice of annual meeting of shareholders. You might see it turned that way, and then everyone of the filings that the sec has has a number and the number that corresponds to these this particular sec document is called death. D f like frank death fourteen a and that’s filed once a year by the company. Okay. And those air all the different names for the proxy statement? Yeah, yeah, i mean, they’re they’re known as all these different things. But if you are on the website, you’re actually looking for form death fourteen a for that particular company again. It’s on the company’s website, though, is well. Ok, now we have just about thirty seconds before before our break. There’s there’s annual and quarterly statements also, right? Yes, there are. There are definitely annual in quarterly statements and they’re they’re more related to significant happenings within the company related to really financial goings on of the company itself as opposed to individuals connected. To the company. So for the most part, that’s, the type of information that they’re going to file annually quarterly. Okay, we have to take a break when we return. Of course, maria semple stays with me, and we’ll talk about some of the places where you can find this data. Stay with us. Told you. Hi, this is nancy taito from speaks been radio speaks been radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it better, because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. 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Well, if you’re looking for those quarterly and annual statements ten k and a k or those statements. But there are others that i think are even more interesting in terms of prospect research. In addition to that proxy, the death of fourteen a there’s, something called a form three and a form four. So form three is is the initial report that is filed by insiders as of the date that they become an insider or a beneficial owner of stock that will lift their holdings as of that day now, i would’ve thought that would be formed one but that’s not forme one yeah called form. Okay, i don’t want confuse people, all right? It should be for more that i find very interest. Sting is called form for, which would show any changes and holdings anytime that insider buys or sells their insider, stock and that’s the form that i was referring to that actually has to be filed within that two day period of that stock chance transactions. So let’s say there’s an example. Maybe a proxy filing may have been done and say, april this year for a particular public company. And here it is the beginning of september where researching this particular corporate insider if we only go on the data that was filed on the death of fourteen a document that proxy and it’s going to show this stockholdings as of april twenty twelve um, there’s a lot of time that has passed several months. Did this person trade any stock during this time? We would like to know what their their holdings they’re still the same or not. So you would be looking particularly performed for to see if that person actually made a trade in stop between april and september, and then on the form itself it’s going to show you whether they border, sold more stock, and then how many shares that they hold at the conclusion of that sale? So let’s say the conclusion of that particular transaction. I still own ten thousand shares. Of that particular stock, i can go on a web site that shows, you know, market activity. Boone is showing, you know, what’s going on in the stock market and get a general idea of how much that stock is worth in that portfolio. All right. You mentioned the corporate website under investor relations and investor information as one place to find this data where else the government has its sec has its own site. Yes, the sea, which is dot gov does have a database called edgar free edgar’s. So that is definitely something that you can use. Teo, look for the information and using the website or even going to the corporate website is free to d’oh. Okay, edgar, i had always heard of edgar, but i didn’t know that it stands for electronic data gathering analysis and retrieval. Yeah, that isn’t that smart of the is in that little clever of the sec. So they should have make a retrievable info analysis. And there would be maria. There you go. You should have maria get rid of edgar and replace it with maria way. Just have, like we just have about two minutes left. What are other? Sites where you can find this, even though we’ve already identified some free ones. Right? So a fee based site, actually, one that i myself subscribe to because i do so much of this type of research is called ten k wizard dot com and that’s actually part of the morning star document research of companies. So it used to be a stand alone, and now they’re part of morningstar. So ten k wizard, i find to be really useful. Their lowest subscription is roughly four hundred dollars a year, and it enables you to i just like the output of the data. I like the fact that i can put in an insider’s name, and it will show me every place somebody is connected to a corporate insider to lead me directly to the filings. And i can see a pdf copy of the filings. So it’s it’s just a quicker way. So i would suggest for anybody who’s really going to be doing a lot of this. You might want to consider a subscription service. Okay. Oh, really? They just worked. Works better than the edgar site or going to the companies. You know it. I think it. Just points to a lot of information very quickly, so as opposed to trying to sort through the information on the corporate side, etcetera, teo, sort through, say all the form four filings that exist on a corporate site to just see well, because it’ll just say form for, you know, and say the filing he’ll need to try and figure out what is this filing related to the person that i’m researching right now? Yeah. So, it’s, just the way you go about the research, i think it just becomes a little bit more efficient on some of the paid resource. Is maria simple is the prospect finder. You can follow her on twitter at maria simple. Her sight is the prospect finder dot com. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much, maria. Thanks so much. Have a great day. Thank you very much. Next week, small shop planned giving with claire meyerhoff, principal of the plant e-giving agency. We actually turned the tables, and she interviews me for a while on small shop planned giving. And scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news and our tech contributor. He returns with technology to help your event planning you. Can keep this conversation going on arlington group post your follow-up questions and my guests for the week will answer them. I’ll make sure of it. Also, i host a podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy. It’s fund-raising fundamentals it’s, a ten minute monthly podcast devoted i only tow fund-raising it’s on itunes, it’s on the chronicle of philanthropy website. If you like this show, then check it out. It’s called fund-raising fundamentals continuing to wish you good luck the way performers do around the world last week was those crazy russians. 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Nonprofit Radio for August 31, 2012: I Had A Great Interview But I Didn’t Get The Job & Storytelling

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Susanne Felder
Susanne Felder: I Had A Great Interview But I Didn’t Get The Job

Susanne Felder, a consultant in outplacement at Lee Hecht Harrison, says there’s more to getting a job than having a good resume and interview. We’ll talk about research; confident networking; panel interviewing; dodging salary questions; and what to do in the last 30 minutes before your interview. Recorded at the Fund Raising Day conference in June in New York City, hosted by the Greater NYC Chapter of the Association of Fundraising Professionals.

Rochelle Shoretz
Rochelle Shoretz: Storytelling

Rochelle Shoretz, founder and executive director of Sharsheret, has a compelling story herself as a two-time breast cancer survivor. Sharsheret has built a culture of compassionate storytelling to help its members through their cancer diagnoses and treatments. Rochelle will share ideas on identifying storytellers; supporting them; giving them multiple ways to share; helping them through this very personal process; and why it’s all worth your time.


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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio for august thirty one big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. I do hope you were with me last week, i’d be mortified to learn that you have missed last week’s show i’m recording today’s show weeks ahead of time, so i don’t know what you would have missed last week, so give me a break, but i do know that it included are smart and charming legal contributors jean takagi and emily chan from the non-profit and exempt organizations law group in san francisco, and it was a very good show enlightening, valuable, funny, very funny hope you didn’t miss it this week. I do know what we have. I had a great interview, but i didn’t get the job, suzanne felder, a consultant in outplacement at lee hecht harrison, says there’s more to getting a job than having a good resume and interview, we’ll talk about research, confident networking panel interviewing, dodging salary questions and what to do in the last thirty minutes before your interview recorded at the fund-raising day conferencing june in new york city this this past june and that was hosted by the greater new york city chapter of the association of fund-raising professionals and storytelling. Rochelle shoretz, founder and executive director of shark share. It has a compelling story herself. As a two time breast cancer survivor, shark share, it has built a culture of compassionate storytelling to help its members through their own cancer diagnoses and treatments. Deshele will share her ideas on identifying storytellers, supporting them, giving them multiple ways to share, helping them through this very personal process and why all of that is worth your time. Between the guests on tony’s take two. You can still get a free copy of my book if you take my charity registration survey use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. Now we take a break and when we return i had a great interview, but i didn’t get the job. Stay with me e-giving dick, dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding you’re listening to the talking alternative network waiting to get in. Nothing. Cubine joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. In pompton plains, new jersey, dr judith orloff will address her bestseller, emotional freedom, and greg brady will discuss his latest book, deep truth living on the edge. 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My interview with suzanne felder from fund-raising day earlier this year. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve, hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals, greater new york city chapter, with the marriott marquis hotel in times square, new york city. With me now is suzanne felder. Suzanne is a consultant in outplacement, with firmly hecht harrison, susanne, welcome, thank you, pleasure to be here. I’m glad to have you. Thank you, thanks for taking time on a busy day. Your seminar topic is i had a great interview, but i didn’t get the job. We’re talking about successful interviewing techniques and doing a lot of interviews today at the conference. But this is the only one to help jobseekers, so generally, we’ll have time for details, but generally what do you see peoples shortcomings in around interviewing? The biggest problem is that people really don’t understand the job that they’re interviewing for the best practices is to really figure out what is the company looking for in you and two show the best sides of what your talents are to meet the company’s needs and people just don’t take the time to really figure that out, so that so it sounds like research research research is the place to start. So it’s just, uh, set the scene. We’ve we’ve seen a job advertised or we’ve heard about a job from a colleague what’s the research we should do around the job and the company well, we certainly want to find out everything about that company, see what they do with their mission, whether it’s in the for-profit or not-for-profits sector company, i mean charity charity, right? Right. So find out, do some research about them. Oh, and then go to lincoln and find maybe some people in your network that might be affiliated with that non-profit or in the past have been with that non-profit and do some real good. On the ground research ask people about the culture, find out what they’re commitments are and if it really suits your own style and if that’s true, then keep pursuing it and reach out to that non-profit and see if there might be some interest on their part. Okay, now, if it happens to be a bigger organization, you’re going to be working in one business unit of of the charity. How can you find out about what that team or that department’s culture is like? Um, you really are asking your friends what they know about that, even if they haven’t worked there, you know, people have a long reach on, they tend to know people who know people who at one point lived, you know, work there. So it’s really about networking effectively? I can’t say enough about the importance of networking in this market. We have find that about seventy five to eighty percent of people are getting their jobs through direct networking. Oh, meaning they’re they’re finding out about the jobs that hit this hidden job market that we hear about definitely there’s a hidden job to talk about that so and what that is, and why networking helps you break through it well, sometimes non-profits agencies even businesses or not in the position to really announce that they’re looking for whatever their reason is, but they’re sort of on the look out privately, so it’s it’s worthwhile to be having conversations with people and suggesting that you are interested in various really named the targeted cos that you’re interested in pursuing and then have conversations with people that are in a position to hyre because sometimes hiring managers are not ready to hyre but once they know something about your background, you’re on their radar. Okay, that’s, the way to really advance yourself for the future when the job actually becomes a reality. Now i think it’s a bad practice you’d tell me if i’m right, you’re welcome to say that i’m wrong that really you just start your networking when you start your job search well, networking. Actually, i have two didn’t disagree with you because networking should be something that’s going on on. Well, you know, actually i guess i don’t say i’m training coach people tohave a gn active network at all time at all times, you don’t just start when you’re in a job search, completely agree that’s, right and that’s what what we find is that people often are saying to us that have had long runs with really good non-profits and for-profit court cos that they really lost track of the importance of their network, they were doing well with the company that we’re there for ten years, they were going up the ranks, and they just sort of people left the firm, and they didn’t keep shack where they went, and now all of a sudden they’re looking to re and find them, and it feels a little awkward to them, like, you know, they had for gotten them. And now that they’re in the different side of the table, it’s ah it’s a big awakening, and they’re saying now they will never do that again. They will be available for people and keep their network engaged well and that’s, right and that’s the other side of networking, i mean, you have to be available to help others when you’re not in need of help yourself. Absolutely it’s about being a giver on we took about donors thes it’s giving of yourself and that’s an ongoing thing and the people who it’s funny what i have found personally is that people who have often been helping others helping others always through their career, they feel most reticent about asking they feel like they should be the ones just helping and i say to them, you’ve been so kind, it’s it’s, time for you to receive its it’s pay back time for you and please do not ever feel remiss about that, especially if you’ve been giving but interesting there’s so accustomed to giving that they’re reluctant to approach their their own network. Yeah, receiving is a lot harder for them and and i understand that, but it’s been kind it’s time tio gets him something back and and it’s perfectly acceptable, and what we are finding is that people are more than willing to be helpful. People that never were expected to be helpful are becoming the most helpful. So the second tier, the third tier of their degree of separation, if you will are, tend to be the most helpful, because don’t we all want to just help people? Don’t most people want to help others? One would think, but now, in this process, you find out who really is genuine and who is less and then those that are very close to us, they just might not be able to help in a substantial way, so they feel like they should hang back and not be too close to you because they feel badly they can help. But this is the time when we really need people tio be there for us, even if it’s just emotionally to be understanding that you’re going to get through it. But it’s a challenge, and we’re talking a lot about networking with friends or friends of friends. What about going to networking events? Where it’s a room full of strangers, that’s always a good process to get good at it’s like a social experience because people really have a hard time talking to strangers. So we heavily encourage people to go to conferences, professional conferences, places where they’re goingto be around people like themselves who are from their field and just get more and more comfortable with talking, if you will. Talking to strangers. Yeah, where? And i imagine that helps in the interview process completely completely what? We do it. We have harrison as we give them the opportunity to comfortably talk about themselves, which is not very natural for people. You know what? Tell me about yourself, and what do you do, and what do you good at? Is not what comes off of most people’s tongue, naturally, so we give them opportunities to always be introducing themselves and give them lots of networking groups to join, and people just come out of their shells. It’s. Remarkable how, after a couple of months of being around others, they are perfectly comfortable. Do that, yes, talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Dahna are you fed up with talking points, rhetoric everywhere you turn left or right? 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Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com so our subject is interviewing, but this is all feeding the interview. This all came. This networking are networking discussion. All came from doing the right research around the job and the culture of the organization. As much as you can find out about the organization, right in your seminar description, there are three r’s and researchers the first, but resource is what’s. Your advice around resource is on resource is finding out. What you bring to the table? What what resource is that the candidate brings us? I believe that’s the idea that we’re getting at how can you help that organization and pinpointing what your real strengths are and how that can help advance that organization? That’s really what you want toe buy-in part to them and you’ll find out about the organization’s needs as you’re doing your due diligence your research find out you might find out some of the shortcomings that the organization has and see how you can plug those gaps. Absolutely, you want to know what value khun ad so you might brings a special connection or a special perspective to that non-profit you know, say it’s, a science institution, and you happen to have a background in science that’s evaluated that is extremely important, and you’re not the average say fundraiser, if that’s your field, your friendraising that happens to really know a lot about science, and therefore you could speak more passionately about it, so that would be really important aspect that you want to bring out to the non-profit do you have specific advice around? Uh uh, when your subject hector ah panel interview i mean, the panel could be two people, but it could be as many as five or six. Wait, how do we that’s incredibly intimidating you walking into a room of let’s say it’s the worst case? Six strangers and they’re all sitting on the other side of the table. How do you prep yourself for that that’s? A real challenge is one that we do address because it’s called like the stress interview and it’s to see how you stand up in extremely unusual circumstance. What you normally would not be the target of a conversation like that in real life. So we tell people, introduce yourself to each person individually. Make sure that you have eye contact with each person and shake their hand. Make yourself known and remember their name so shake their hand. Just go down the line of the table is absolutely when you were coming room. Yes, when you come in, introduce yourself individually to each of them make an impression on them that you’re confident and you know you want to engage with them. And then if the questions are coming a little bit too fast and too furious, there are ways to slow it down a bit of humor, and that always helps break the ice a bit, because sometimes people just lose sight of the fact that you’re only a person and you’re a pit under under the gun. So i’ve had a client to have said things like, oh, i made it like it was jeopardy, and i say, all right, i’ll take i’ll take jim for two hundred, and then i’m going to take, you know, the next person, arlene arlene five hundred. Yeah, so it kind of everyone has to laugh at that because you realize that, you know, how many can you do it once? Obviously, it’s, just one on. They are trying to see what? What it’s like for you to trial under fire? S o we try to get people to realize that humor is a good thing and it helps people relax as well. Helps you relax. You can always take a drink of water. Give yourself a moment to think, and companies are looking to see what what you’re about. You also have to realize if that is their culture, to be that way, to be very in your face. You have to. Know is that for you? Is that is that you? Yes. Yeah. It may not be for you about about preparing for the serial interview. You know, you’re going to have three interviews in the day. Each one is going to be a test forty five minutes. I would think. How do you how do you prepare for that? That multiple interview where you could be on you could be on for close to three hours in a row, but with three different people, right? Ah, you want to be prepared to give a good examples of a variety of things that you’re about, like different facets of a diamond and you don’t wantto be repeating the same story of store three times. And then there are other they say, oh, yeah, she told me that he told me that story. I heard that already. So you can have to come prepared for your interview with good what we call them accomplishment stories, if you will, on s o that joe have maybe six or eight really important projects that you’ve worked on that will really show you off to best advantage. You can come in with a portfolio and have some point of keywords for yourself to remember that you want to make sure that this project gets put on the table and then you mix it up so that everybody is hearing some different stories out of you, and each can bring out different facets of what makes you successful growth that you’ve money that you’ve brought in from non-profit have you created new event? Have you doing outreach brought in new community members brought on board members? These are things that are important, usually to fund-raising organ operations? What if i feel that i’ve gotten a question that’s inappropriate or illegal around age or pregnancy or sexual orientation? How do i how do i handle that in that moment? Yes, in that moment, you might want to say, can you rephrase that question? Or is that a chance to give him a chance to realize that that might be a really uncomfortable thing to be talking about and that you sort of object? T getting that question, john, you might say, is that relevant to the job? Or i’ve heard people say they’re asked whether or not they have young children, obviously the employer is trying to get at are you going to be away if the child is sick eyes so sometimes people will say, oh, is this a very, very family oriented company is, you know, doo doo doo family events? Is that why you’re asking so you try to soften it? You try not to be in their face about the fact that that’s really overstepping their bounds, but to some extent you have to pick your battles because you are looking for the job. So although this does also inform the culture of the organization that it might not be the right fit completely completely do take note that if they’re overstepping that this might be a real invasive place and that they’re expecting a whole lot from you, that is really not normal. And that might not be if you say a good fit. Alright, um the third of the three r’s thatyou have his references it’s important who you select for your references, what’s your what’s your advice around that references can go back twenty years. I could go back from beginning of your career. I don’t think people think of that. I think they think of the last job, right? And that is certainly not the whole scope of what is appropriate to use references khun b people that were above you people, that it could be people that reported to you, it could be your peers, pier level. It can be your boss’s boss anyone that knew the quality of your work and speak for you, but those are appropriate references. They could also be if it’s for a community organization. It might be something that you do on your private time, that you’d like to have that person report in about your experience with you, perhaps in your community service. So you want to get a variety of references that will reflect all sides of what your background is, good people. When they’re asked tio provide a reference often asked, what do you want me to say? You know what? Should i talk about it? It’s okay, give that advice around what, what you’d like them to be specific about. Yes, it is, because oftentimes if you’ve worked with someone five years ago, they might forget exactly which projects you worked on together, so people kind of need prompting, like so you want to remind them, remember we did this such and such together. And we had this result. So by you, sort of writing out some pointers about what your relationship together was, like it’s really informative. It helps them. It takes them off the hook of the pressure of oh, i forgot. What am i going to say? And it’s also you feeding them what you felt was the most important aspect of the project so that they’re goingto right. Quite cogently and importantly about what you did. Yeah, and it might just be a conversation to a lot of references. I just checked my phone. No. Yes. That’s right now, another thing about references. When you have a company, the company you might have just come from in the corporate world. This is very true. The company often will on ly just verify that you worked there and how long that you worked there. So that can be a bit of a problem. If you know your best references of the people that are still there. The way to overcome that would be to look at people that have gone on, moved on to another organization, and then they’re not under that up that corporate policy hr restriction of not being able to give a reference, but you don’t see that so much in charities that unwillingness to say more than just confirm data report it’s not a strict it doesn’t seem to be a strict people are a little more willing to talk about the other thing that people are very surprised about is that cos you can ask what person salary was and you know, it can be verified. The new employer can ask for your w two, which seems really invasive to find out what did you actually make on labor napor connects with you too. You can ask your w two. So it’s, when you talked about salary, which is a whole other chapter, you know, how do you dodge the salary question, which we do recommend that you try to keep that salary question off to the side as best you can, okay, but at a certain point, they’re gonna want to know, are you like within the ballpark of the range that they’re interested in on? You can always say, this is what my package was. This is where i left off at and then just back away from it and say, i’m very interested in this organization and i really it’s more important to me to talk to you about the opportunity, and we could always i’m sure if we’re on the same page, we’ll come to a mutually agreeable point with salary. Okay, well, i was going to ask how to dodge the salary question, but you just you just did it. Yeah, it’s that important? I think everyone is very nervous that they’re going to be put on the spot. Now, when you’re working with the recruiter, it seems to be an easier conversation to have because the recruiter is representing you and the recruiter wants to know, are you in the ballpark for what they will go for? You know, if you’re completely at a different salary rate much hyre it might be a fruit, you know, footless kind of conversations. So you do want to be forthright with the recruiter? Ah, you try to keep that conversation in the background if you’re going directly in number about the last hyre half hour before the interview so my remains of your scheduled for two thirty it’s now two o’clock let’s say i’m already on site. I’ve arrived, so i guess your advices get there early, i presume? Yes, to make sure you’re not late. Yes. Okay. Now what do i do with this last half hour? Last half hour. Okay, so you’re coming in. You certainly want to have at least fifteen minutes to be ableto fill out any forms if they have them. So that there’s going to be at least fifteen minutes. It’s going to be for that show up early is that we show up early before. Oh, certainly show up early on. That gives you a time, tio, really? Look around and assess what you’re seeing. Look att the interaction of the people in the organization with the receptionist and i see the culture. You could really learn a lot by just watching and observing. Twenty minutes, right? Absolutely. Come and go watch people come and go. And if the receptionist is not busy, have a chat with the receptionist. You learn a lot about the organization, find out what their experience has been. Have they’ve been there a long time? It is a lot of benefit that you could actually gather, and then it helps inform you of howto handle. Yourself in the interview, you might learn of events that are coming up for a special project that are on the table that you might not have known. So it’s always a good idea to be highly respectful and interactive, if you can, with the front desk, because that front test person is going to be giving the first frontline response to the hiring person as to what was your impression? Oh, they might receptionist might actually be asked. Absolutely. And if you come in all huffy and and annoyed and you didn’t get through security fast enough and whatever happened, then you come in all in a in a rage. They’re taking note because you’re on, you’re on from the minute you walk in that door. Okay, so collect your thoughts, get yourself together and remember, the clock starts when you walk in that door at reception. Okay? Okay. Um, we have just maybe a minute or so men and a half left. What about the resume? You have advice around resumes, resumes or something that can be targeted, targeted for particular jobs. Don’t think of your resume as a static item that just is the same for every place that you’re applying for because each job has slightly different requirements. And just like you have many facets, you want a feature? The ones that are most important to that non-profit so you do want to tailor your resume to be very appealing to their needs. We certainly suggest a summary statement. This is that used to be years ago. You did an objective. Okay. And now, it’s really about summarize you quickly summarize your strength, what your capabilities are, and then you go into your accomplishment statements. Okay? We have a couple seconds left. Anything else you want to say about resumes? Well, allows you specifically length if i’ve been in the non-profit world for fifteen, seventeen years, is it okay to have a two three page resume? Two pages, the limit? People get a little weary of reading and you don’t have if you’re going twenty, twenty five years, you don’t have to give all your experience. You could just give, like the last fifteen years is certainly enough. And you could always speak to further back. They are interested. Okay? We’re gonna wrap it up. They’re terrific. Suzanne felder is a consultant in outplacement with the firmly hecht, harrison and you’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve at the marriott marquis in times square, new york city san. Thank you very much for being a guest. Thank you so much. Appreciate it been a pleasure. Q and momentarily, you’ll be listening to tony’s take two and then real shell shoretz will be with me. Stay with us after this break. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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Tony martignetti non-profit radio. And i’m travis frazier from united way of new york city, and i’m michelle walls from the us fund for unicef. Durney hi there and welcome back, it’s, time for tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour, i have a charity registration survey on my blogged it’s been there for a few weeks. If you finish the three minute survey, then you’ll get a free download of my book charity registration state by state guidelines for compliance and the fee for that could be as high as two hundred ninety nine dollars, depending on the size of your charity. I really want to understand more about your experience with this morass of st charity registration laws that’s why i wrote the book to help charities sift through all the regulations i’m working on a project that will that i really need your help with. So please share your experience. Even if you don’t know that much about charity registration, i’d be grateful if you would take the three minutes teo to do the survey, and at the end of the survey, you’ll be offered a download for of my of my book that post is called help me out and get my book free that’s from august thirteenth and it’s on my blogged at tony martignetti dot com. And that is tony’s take two for friday. The thirty first of august thirty seventh show of the year with me now is rochelle shoretz rochelle founded shark threat to connect young jewish women fighting breast cancer following her own diagnosis at age twenty eight, they’re based in teaneck, new jersey. You’ll find them at shaare share it dot or ge rochelle served as a law clerk to supreme court justice Ruth bader ginsburg in 19:90 nine since sharks are its founding in two thousand won, they have launched eleven national programs, responded more than more than nineteen thousand calls and e mails request for help from those affected by breast cancer. Sure, shoretz programs and services are now open to all women and men deshele record lectures a lot about breast cancer for audiences across the country. She is a member of the federal advisory committee on breast cancer in young women. You may have seen her on the today show, cbs news or fox news today. She’s on tony martignetti non-profit radio deshele welcome. Thank you. I’m very glad that you’re with us from teaneck. How are you doing out here? Supplier? We’re good, we’re good, we’re getting. Some nicer weather. Okay, um, you’re you founded sharks. Share it. I think around a kitchen table dining room table was done. I’m sorry. Had the wrong room. Okay, well, it’s a bigger issue. I mean, maybe you don’t have anything. You don’t have an eat in kitchen. Sorry, iraq. Okay, so it’s around a dining room table. Since we’re talking about storytelling, why don’t you take a moment and tell that dining room table story? Sure. Well, i was diagnosed with breast cancer for the first time when i was just twenty eight years old, and it occurred to me that although we had so many organizations for breast camps are advocacy research, we didn’t have an organization that address some of the unique needs of young women facing breast cancer and those metoo could include, i think, like fertility, career, parenting, genetic, social life, relationships on everywhere i went, i happened to be the youngest woman in the waiting room by an average of twenty years. And so shar sharon began as an effort, really, to collect the stories of and the experiences of young people facing breast cancer and more even more specifically, jewish women and families. Facing breast cancer because jewish families tend to have an increased risk of hereditary breast cancer could be ten times higher than the average than the average woman. And so there were fight of us around the table that first night, that dining room table on by, you know, talked about the need for an organization that address some of those unique concerns. Way were five, and then we became ten. And now we’re more than sixteen hundred pier supporters nationwide. Alright, on dh. What is the the annual budget of short, sheriff? Give people a sense. Uh, when you’re eleven, which is what we are in now, the annual budget is about one point, eight million dollars. All right. And how many employees? We have fourteen, staff people, and we run eleven national programs with the help of more than five thousand volunteers nationwide, you have very heartfelt, compelling videos on the site and some on youtube. How do you find your story tellers? You know, we really we reach out in lots of different ways. And i think in our experience, we found that the more with the more we reach and in the more diverse in the more diverse mode abilities we used to reach women, the more diverse the stories we get back, we find stories in a few ways. First, we find them through social media using facebook and twitter and ask people to share their stories whether it’s on thanksgiving day, for example, we might ask people toe right in what they’re thankful for. As a young breast cancer survivor on twitter, we might say, you know, tweet us, you know, the things that you’re most great napor in twenty twelve find some of our stories on social media, we use our blogged to share stories, but also to get storytellers to share their email sometimes will do an e mail blast and a good example of that was my fortieth birthday, which was just a couple of weeks ago. I shared my fortieth birthday wish, and we asked others to share theirs as well. And so we got some stories that we were going to talk about that later on because you got a great response. I know too, that to that talk about them very traditional means of focus groups, for example, where we have women come into the office and share. Their stories and we can either take those weaken, videotape them, audiotape them on, and then have them transcribed so that we can use them for other purposes, okay? And we’re going to have a chance to talk to you about some of the those i don’t know. I don’t mean to sound heart like, you know, cold calling them channels, but methods something different methods like the like the face-to-face focus groups that your record, but right now i’m just trying to focus on how you identify storytellers, and sometimes they just come to you, write and tell you that they want to share their story with others. Sometimes they dio, you know, for some breast cancer survivors, that could be a very empowering way to close the loop on their breast cancer experience, where they’re sharing their story in the hopes of inspiring and empowering others. Sometimes we have to reach out and encourage people to share their stories, whether it’s with incentives or just by explaining to them that that’s another way of contributing to the organization in a non financial capacity on dh. Sometimes we, you know, it’s sort of low hanging fruit they’re already sharing. A piece of their story we can tell that it’s a compelling story, and so we reach out and just sort of nudge them along and say, you know, you told us a little bit about your experience, but we could, you know, we would really benefit from sharing that same story with, you know, lots of people and, you know, would you mind sharing some more? So we find them of those ways you can view this as a cz, a volunteer opportunity, and we dio, you know, sometimes people think that being a volunteer means coming into the office or e-giving tremendous amounts of time or contributing in terms of dollars, but really, being a storytelling could be a wonderful volunteer opportunity that doesn’t require people to go too much out of their way or tio reach into their pockets, and sometimes these stories are written right on dh, sometimes video or audio recorded that’s right on, and then sometimes they can be longer, and sometimes they can be shorter. You know, a tweet, for example, is one hundred forty character. The facebook post might be a paragraph a block post might be three paragraphs some might be written, some people feel much more comfortable writing, but others feel more comfortable speaking and in whatever way we can capture their story. That helps us. That helps us collect more stories because we find people in lots of who feel comfortable with different avenues of expression. How do you overcome the conundrum that people might like, tio, write their story. But on the web, viewers are more interested in watching video than than reading, you know, that’s, an important that’s important challenge that i think we all face in the nonprofit sector. You know, people feel more in control in some ways of the written word and certainly more comfortable behind the pen and behind the camera. But we find that our viewers really liketo watch on and it’s easier to share when we can just ask them to it’s linked to something on youtube or share a web based link. You know, we try to we try to identify those who will come across well on camera whose stories just feel more compelling because they have a great almost like a stage presence in a certain way. Sometimes we used basic incentive, you know. Come on in for. A day of videotaping, and that encourages people tio take the leap, and sometimes we just note that it doesn’t have to be a professional camera set up. You know, it could be your iphone, for example, that you stick on video mode and just shoot yourself speaking honestly into the camera, so we try to make it not to professional and too intimidating, because as you said, the truth is people to respond mohr two videos in some ways than they do to the written word, and we’ve had many guests on say that video does not have to be high production value to be compelling and sincere and moving. I think that that’s true, but i would take issue with one piece of it, i think, as a non-profit leader, one of the things we’re always watching for quality control and brand management, and so an organization like ours that really strives to keep a very professional face it. There are so many breast cancer organizations that are not necessarily as as focused on that sort of professional, the professionalism with which we pride ourselves. We really struggled with that balance on the one hand, no, it doesn’t. Have to be a twenty thousand dollar two minute clip. On the other hand, when we send something out that is videotaped on a shaky camera or that doesn’t look professional, it does in some way reflect on our own ground. And so we walk a fine line between sort of that honest, almost raw quality of video and something that looks too professional to polish to almost too and focus on attacking at heartstrings say a little more about some of the my voice is cracked like i’m a fourteen year old more me, me and we’re not even in the same room bonem it’s that your charm comes across the phone line, you say a little more about the contest you mentioned and some of the incentives that you might offer toe to induce women or men to tell their story? Yeah, you know, sometimes it could be something as simple as dinner, right? When we do a focus group in our office will say, you know, they’ll dinner is served at seven, you know? Come share your story and people will come around the table and the focus groups i should emphasize they’re not just for storytelling. Although that is an integral part of what ends up happening inevitably it’s also an opportunity for us to get feedback on programs and fund-raising initiatives and other core aspects of what we do at the organization um, sometimes it could be a simple and incentive as dinner. Sometimes it could be, you know, a t shirt it could be, you know, a reimbursement for travel expenses. It comes in all shapes and sizes on doesn’t have to be monumental mean t shirt or just expense reimbursement. People are moved by small, by small offerings, they’re moved by small offerings, and i would even say, it’s not i wouldn’t even say that that’s what sort of pushing them over the edge? I think i think people want to share their story, they think it apparently there is a need to share in some people, and we are just tapping into that and sort of pushing it along a little bit just wouldn’t even say that the incentive is what makes or breaks the desire to share that desire is built into some people, they find it empowering, and when you give them a knave anew, that feels comfortable, whether it’s the incentive that makes them feel comfortable, the environment you set up in the office that makes him feel comfortable, you know, personal phone call that you might make to encourage them to come in and share their story that’s the little those of the little things that help push them over the edge and make them feel even more comfortable sharing there’s a very touching video done by a woman named brenda. And she tells the story of ya l who ended up not surviving her cancer, but the video is really it’s very, very moving. Do you want to say a little about that? Yeah, that’s a video that we produced for our tenth anniversary way wanted to share the stories of families that had established major gift in support of star shoretz programming on, we wanted really to understand what it was that compelled them to give and the reason we wanted to understand that was we wanted to be able to share their stories with other family members and friends who might also be considering larger gift. Um, and we felt that that would be the easiest way to translate their own desires to the actual gift itself. And so we highlighted for families. Although i should say before we narrowed down to four families, we started with six or seven potential stories and then narrowed it down to the four that we wanted teo highlight on the video on dit was we really didn’t know what to expect. You know, the cameras followed these families around for a few hours in a given sunday and really just have them share what compelled them to give and establish their major defeat. And the stories are beautiful, you know, each one different you no one was story. The one that you mentioned about a young woman who was connected to another pierce a porter. Shall we have just about a minute before break? No it’s so good to tell the story of brenda and yell. So it was a young woman who was connected to another pierce supporter and the peer supporter passed away and our you know, our young caller wanted to establish a gift in her memory to make sure that others living with advanced breast cancer had a place to turn on. You know, the story came out beautifully. It’s touching it is compelling. And it also incentivizes others who are thinking about a major gift. We’re gonna take a break. Rochelle will stay with us, and we’ll continue talking about storytelling that hope you stay with us also. 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Duitz welcome back with rochelle shoretz and she is the founder of shark share it which you’ll find it shar share it dot or ge s h a r s h e r e t dot org’s deshele the shar sharon is a chain or necklace in hebrew so it’s a little more. And what you call your members explain that sure are pierce supporters we call links as though they were linked in a jane and it’s actually come full circle because when i was diagnosed with breast cancer a second time, i started to use the services that we created as an organization. And so i was the first link, and then ultimately now depend on some on another links in our chain. The chain is miles long now, right? Yeah. Stands the country were in all of the state. So you had a very successful written blogged post because we’re talking about righting versus video. But your your birthday block post did did very well. Got a lot of comments. Brought attention to shar. Share it once you share that. Sure. So my fortieth birthday was a couple of weeks ago and celebration of happy. Thank you in celebration of my birthday, i wrote a block post about the significance of turning forty and all that had changed in the breast cancer arena since i was diagnosed at twenty eight and i specifically highlighted and shared another story, the story of my grandmother, who had also been diagnosed with breast cancer when i was younger and how much the breast cancer story had changed in the eleven years since my diagnosis. And we were amazed at the response, we posted it as a birthday wish, and then we asked our readers and our stakeholders teoh right, a birthday wish back to me and we i think we had over one hundred responses, we shared it in in many modality, so it was on facebook it was on our block. We tweeted about it, we sent it out by email, we really blasted it on. The response is beautiful and in fact the staff as a gift to me collected all of the responses and put them together as, ah birthday book and it was beautiful and encourage people to share their own stories. They talked about their own grandmothers who had been diagnosed with breast cancer they shared some of their own stories, and again, these will be the seeds for further storytelling. We will be able to look back at all of these responses and pick from them others who might be interested in sharing their stories and greater and greater kapin more incentive again, as we talked about, i see stories everywhere. You know, that movie i see dead people. I see stories. I see stories everywhere. It just went on a hundred mile bike ride with a boardmember on. I said to her at the end of the ride said, linda, you should share your story on the block like writing something, and she did right away and again, we sent it out to all the riders. Everybody who had been on the ride. There’s, you know, really, everything we do there is an opportunity for someone to share their story. It might be why they participated in an event that might be what they learned at a given event. It might be, you know, a reflection at a milestone there’s always the potential to turn something that seems programmatic into something that elicit emotion through storytelling. That’s. Excellent. And how do you feel that? All this story telling is helping shark share it well, you touched on it a little before the break. We really used the stories in many different ways, we use him for programmatic purposes. So for example, we anecdotally they provide feedback to us on the program that we provide, and perhaps programs that we need to provide that we need to develop. We have them in marketing materials like brochures and newsletters, we use them in fund-raising efforts, whether it’s a thank you letter to donors or video that we’re producing for major givers on, we really try to find lots of different ways to use the same story or different stories to engage our diverse audience. What kinds of reactions do you get to the stories? You know, i think we keep the story israel, which makes the stories even more compelling. You know, stakeholders these days are very sophisticated, so they didn’t know when you’re trying to target their heartstrings. But when the emotion is wrong, when the story israel on when people can relate to it, i think we find any way that the response is is is great it’s certainly more effective than just shooting? Statistics in a brochure or, you know, highlighting accomplishment. It gives a face and a voice to the experience that we are addressing. How do you have? Yeah, yeah, please. Go ahead. Finish your thought. Okay, but how do you help the storytellers overcome their fear of you said people really want to do it, but suppose they have this fear, or maybe maybe even while they’re in the midst of story writing of writing or being interviewed or telling their story right in the middle of it, how do you help them overcome these fears? Well, i think the most important thing that we dio way provide a safe space for the storytelling. You know, people might be very excited about sharing their story in a, you know, at the at the onset. But once they start to tell it, once they start to share it, it becomes very personal, very raw. They start to hesitate. So we try to set up a safe space throughout the process. So first will guarantee that we will share whatever edited version of their story with them before it goes public. We guarantee we highlight for them very specifically. Where that story will appear it will be in the newsletter. It will appear on the web. It will. We might use it for a brochure. And so they have a very confident understanding of what’s going to happen with that story. That being said, you know, we still went in sometimes two challenges that we have to address on the fly. I’ll give you a specific example. This is not a verbal story, but a picture story. We did a picture. A picture exhibit of rochelle. I’m sorry. We have just about a minute left. Okay, so we did a picture display of ten of our women and one of the women who was very comfortable when she took her photograph ultimately started to hesitate. And so we have to narrow down where we were going to use that photo. So i think keeping the safe space safe, ensuring and basically ensuring that you are going to communicate with the storyteller helped them feel more comfortable sharing their story. It’s really it’s all very compelling and touching. And i want to thank you very much for sharing all this valuable information and also your own story with our listeners. Rochelle thank you. Very much now my pleasure, deshele shoretz founded sharks shoretz to connect young jewish women fighting breast cancer. They now work with people dealing with ovarian cancer as well and it’s open to men, women of all races, nationalities, etcetera. You’ll find them at shaare, share it dot or ge i want to thank my guests, of course, suzanne felder and rochelle shoretz also the organizers of fund-raising day for hosting me on the exhibit floor and allowing me to get that susan felder interview next week. I don’t know what’s coming up next week, give me a break because i’m recording this on august fourteenth and next week is going to be september seventh, but i do know that the september seventh show will include the smart, charming and resourceful maria simple, our prospect research contributor, and i know it’ll be a very good show and funny. I host a podcast for the chronicle of philanthropy that is called fund-raising fundamentals. It’s, a ten minute monthly podcast devoted to fund-raising it’s on itunes, it’s on the chronicle website. If you like this show, then please check out fund-raising fundamentals continuing to wish you good luck the way performers do. Around the world, russian theater folks say poca de pere, neither down nor feathers. That comes from wishing a hunter bad luck, which is really good luck to come home from the hunt empty handed. So you wouldn’t want to say thank you to that, because they’re giving you a bad luck wish, even though it’s a good luck wish. So what russians will respond with is shorty, go to the devil. And to think thes people contribute to the international space station. I don’t know, but it all seems tto together. Um and i want to thank janice taylor for her, continuing to give me these language lessons and artists. Good wish, explanations. Our creative producer was clear. Meyerhoff. Janice taylor is also our line producer. 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