Hello and welcome to Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. I’m your aptly named host and the pod father of your favorite bdominal podcast. It’s July. It’s nonprofit media. Got the live music and that can only. It’s our 800th show and 16th anniversary show. Ditch the Jubilee. Woo. We have a listener of the week, Timothy Curran. He messaged me on LinkedIn. Tim said, I’m new to the nonprofit space and have found your podcast valuable in educating myself on what fundraisers find valuable. Maybe more importantly, how good ones strategize. Oh, Tim, you are in the right place for nonprofit strategy, for understanding how nonprofits are, are coping, what they are thinking about. And I am so glad to have you as our listener of the week for the 800th show and the 16th anniversary jubilee. Thank you for being our listener of the week, Tim, Tim Curran. Here’s our associate producer Kate with what’s coming up for show number 800 and the 16th anniversary jubilee. Hey Tony, your co-host is Claire Meyerhoff. We’ve got much more live music from Scott Stein. Our contributors, Jean Dekagi and Amy Sample Ward are here. Everyone is with us. Woo! Thank you very much, Kate. Claire Meyerhoff, welcome to the 800th show. Our associate, our, uh, creative producer. Welcome. I’m so excited to be here because as, as our listeners know, I was there from the very beginning. The idea for nonprofit radio happened at a, at a, well, he had the idea, but I was, it was brought to me at a, uh, a Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse in North Carolina in uh 1900. Yes. And, and, and why did I bring it to Claire Meyerhoff? Because she has a background in, in radio, in media, including WTOP in Washington DC and also with Sirius. You’ll find Claire Meyerhoff’s company is at PG agency.com and she is nonprofit radio’s creative producer. Claire, your first show was show number 2. On July 23rd of 2010, we talked about, we talked about storytelling and jargon. 16 years. Well, and that’s when we threw people in jargon jail, and jargon jail is still extremely relative today in all fields really because I, I see a lot of things on, on, on the Instagram and little things. Where people talk about, you know, corporate jargon and how to like say it more, you know, communicate more effectively. So I think we were like trendsetters with throwing, throwing, throwing nonprofit peeps in jargon jail. And jargon jail continues. So absolutely. We, we did, we, we, we did set the bar. And, uh, when a, when a guest transgresses, I, uh, I, I do admit them to a jargon jail. Yes, like capacity building. Does it have windows? Well, that, that one’s, but yes, yeah, jargon or acronyms, acronyms will also land you in jargon jail, unidentified acronyms. They’re like BLT, then like we know what that is. BLT BLT if it’s a sandwich, but if it’s like, you know, uh, board leadership development or board leadership torture, um, torture training, right. That, yeah, that, that qualifies you. Absolutely, that qualifies you. Let’s bring some folks in. Let’s bring Amy Sample Ward in. Uh, they are our, uh, technology contributor and of course the CEO of N10, uh, awarded a 2023 Bosch Foundation fellowship. Their most recent co-authored book, The Tech That Comes Next, about equity and inclusiveness in technology development. You’ll find Amy on Blue Sky as Amy Sample Ward, Amy Sample Ward, whose first show was number 100 on July 13th, 2012. Welcome. So easy to remember. It was show 100. Yeah, you do have the easy one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we get to Scott, it’s like, uh, 158, but yeah, show number 100, absolutely in New York, 700 shows 700 shows ago in the studio in New York. That’s right, up the tiny elevator. In the tiny elevator, it was like this big. Yeah, right. That was, uh, I always really thought it would break. And I would live in that elevator in New York City. You would just be emaciated in the elevator. That was, that was with, uh, in the building. That was on West 72nd Street with, uh, Sam, Sam Leibowitz. Sam Liebowitz. Yeah, yep. You remember those days. Yeah. That was, you were living in New York City then. I know. Time is just 16 years ago. Wow, wow, that seems impossible. Don’t do the math anymore in this show. It’s good to see you. I’m glad you’re, I’m glad you’re with us. I’m glad to be here to celebrate the jubilee. Thank you. Gene Takagi. Everybody knows, uh, it’s a, it’s, it’s kind of a waste of syllables to continue saying it, but of course, each contributor deserves their, their due intro. He’s our legal contributor and the principal of NEEO, the nonprofit and exempt organizations law group in San Francisco. He edits that wildly popular nonprofit law blog.com. You’ll find the firm at Neo Law Group, and you’ll find Gene as at GTAC, whose first show was number 7. On August 27th of 2010. Welcome, Gene. It’s great to see you. Great to have you. Congratulations, Tony. Unbelievable run and to continue further, so excited to be with you, Tony. Thank you. I, I love these. I, I, I love these anniversary shows. Uh, they just, yeah, they, they just, they bring the team together. Um. Scott Stein Scott Stein, whose music, whose song Cheap Red Wine has been with us, uh, debuted on show number 158 on September 16th of 2013. Scott’s a pianist, songwriter. Music director. You’ll find him at scottsteinmusic.com, on Facebook, X, Instagram, and YouTube. He’s at Scott Stein Music. Great to see you, Scott. Great to see you too, Tony, and uh this is something that I look forward to every year. It’s really, this is so much fun and I am, I’m just thrilled that the show has continued to grow and thrive and that I get to keep coming back on and doing my thing. This is, uh, this is super fun. It, it, it’s a, it’s a thrill. Thank you. I’m, I’m so glad our, uh, mutual lawyer friend, um, It’s Josh Becker. Josh, Josh Becker, exactly, my old roommate. That was, that was the, that was the connection, uh, connected us and, uh. And we’ve been using cheap red wine ever since, since, uh, September 16th of 2013. And of course, thank, thank you for the live intro music, um, and, uh, you’re gonna be doing, uh, three songs for us today, right? I am, yeah, excited to do it. All right, cool, cool. Kate Martinetti She’s our associate producer. She’s a graduate of the American Musical and Dramatic Academy, now attending Rowan University. Kate’s first show was number 645. On June 19th of 2023. Just kind of started as something fun while, uh, I was visiting the family in New Jersey. And I liked the, the sound that you brought to the show, Kate. Right, we were, we were in the guest room because we needed somewhere quiet between like the dogs, and then I don’t know if it was a holiday you were over or just visiting for something, and we were like, OK, there’s people in the house, kind of loud, let’s go upstairs, you know. And you had your little mic, which I have now, um, and we just did it. And it was right after I graduated too, and you were like, let’s see how this sounds, and let’s use like your skills that you were working on in AMDA. And now we’re here. Number 6:45 was your first show. Unbelievable. Uh. Yeah. So, all these years, um, And we’re celebrating 16. Claire, Claire, Claire, uh, Claire brought, Claire is bringing the fun to our, to our 16 theme. What do you, what do you have for us, uh, brilliant, uh, creative producer. Oh, yes, well, you know, in a, in a, in a flash of brilliance, because it’s the 16th show, it’s the sweet 16 party. So that’s just, you know, the most brilliantly creative accomplished. So I have compiled a list of 16 sweet things to say to Sweet Tony about. Yeah, and play us in for a little, this is a little music, Scott, just play us into the sweet 16 theme. Thank you. Beautiful. So sweet. What a transition. Claire, Claire, our sweet 16, please. So, so number 1 on our, our list of 16 sweet things about Uh, Tony’s 16th year of Tony Martignetti nonprofit Radio. Number one is, it’s very sweet to thank all our listeners for being with us for our 16th anniversary. Yay, listeners. You got, you gotta thank the listeners. Um, there, there, you got nothing. Well, there’s a word, uh, for a podcast that nobody listens to. A diary. Yeah, we’re not producing a diary for 16 years. No. So of course we are enormously grateful to the listeners. We have so many listeners. How many listeners do we have, Tony? Over 13, over 13,000 a week. Wow, over 13,000 a week for, so for each episode, like 13, and then, and then do people, people go back and listen to the old ones. So do you have a surprising statistic maybe about um You know, an old show that people listen to because you get little pings about it or something. I, I do have a surprise for listeners. Uh, I don’t go back and look at the stats. That’s my surprise. Uh, we were producing the show. You know, I look from time to time. I do look from time to time. Um, uh, but, uh, I, I’m not overly, you know, not overly concerned about it. I guess, maybe you’re supposed to be more sophisticated, like say, all right, this topic, uh, we had a spike because we talked about. Uh, whatever, and so we should do more of that. I don’t know, but, you know, it could be the guest was particularly good. Um, it could be, uh, it would happen to be a good time of year, people listening, you know, I, I don’t, uh, I guess I’m, you know, well, we, the listeners know that they’re suffering under a, a lackluster host. That’s that’s understood. That’s understood. You can’t be, you know, witty and fabulous and sweet and like the techno, you know, technology person. Like Amy, so you can’t be everything. Thank you, data scientist. So, you know, you know what’s sweet is that our, we’ve had more than 1000 guests and they’ve been so sweet to share their expertise with our listeners. So we, we’ve had over 1000 guests, I’m sure, like I just kind of did some very simple math for, for me, which is, you know, simple as the only math I know. So I did a little simple math and I figured it is more than 1000 guests most likely. This is where you go back to the lackluster host who doesn’t know exactly how many guests there have been. It’s probably, yeah, it’s 1000. It’s 1000 plus. It’s certainly 100. It’s certainly 1,000+, uh, 1200, maybe, is it 1500? I’m not sure. You know, it’d be cool to have like a whole list of like all your, all your, all your guests on the show, all these experts, and some people have been, I guess, multiple times, so you’d have to count them. So. For right now, our, our last, our 1st 3, which is our last one for this little chunk, is that, you know, 50 episodes a year for 16 years, well, that, that is very, very sweet and very, you know, shows the dedication of our sweet host Tony Martignetti that he puts this, this podcast on every single week except for 2 weeks when you, I guess, take a vacation or something. 50 apps a year, that’s amazing. Well, but, but the guests help, uh, Gane and Amy help. Right. You know, they, uh, uh, Kate is with me every single week. That helps. But we’re not the pod father, Tony. That’s all you. Well, true, true. I, you’re right. But the, the guests, I mean, without, you, you can’t, I don’t think you could sustain a show 50 times a year with, with only the host. You gotta have, you gotta have the guest. I mean, I think to me that’s boring. That sounds like, that sounds like a journal again, where I think we’re diarying them. Yeah, but you get, you, you take on the role of all the listeners and you get to ask the guests the questions that everybody wishes they were asking that person. So, you do a great, you do a sweet job of doing that, taking on the role for listeners. So thoughtful. Well, and you’re with me, uh, several times a year, and I, I’m, I’m grateful for that, as, as is Gene, several times a year, because we’re all doing it for the listeners. I mean, it all, you know, it all, it all settles down to the, The, the community, right? We’re, we’re just, we’re just trying to help the nonprofit community, uh, in, uh, a particularly difficult time. Now, however, we’ve been doing it for 16 years. Uh, it’s all, it’s, it’s all for the, it’s all for the good of the. The folks, the nonprofit professionals, our CEOs, our fundraisers, our board members. Uh, and there’s, there’s some, uh, consultants who listen too. Uh, it’s, you know, we’re just, we’re just trying to, we’re just trying to do right by the community, uh, uh, and we are channeling them. All of us are channeling them. You and, you and Gene are channeling our listeners too while, when you’re on. Right? We’re just thinking about what would people ask. We’re, we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re bringing them into the conversation as best we can. What, what would they want to know? Thank you, Claire, for our 1st 3 of, uh, our, our 1st 3 Sweet 16s. We’re gonna turn to our, uh, the, the show’s, uh, I don’t know, is it, is it right, you are a music director. Can I call you music director once a year? Because you once a year, yes, absolutely. OK. Yeah, he is the, he is the music director. He helped us out on, on cues and things like, yeah, definitely the music director for, for the, uh, 800th show. Um. What, uh, what’s this first song you’re gonna play for us, Scott? Uh, I’m just gonna play a brand new one. this is, uh, this is called Take the Back Roads, and it’s basically how the, um, the, the proverbial grass is greener on the other side, and as you get older, you start thinking that maybe things were, were easier when you were younger and then you start to realize maybe that wasn’t the case, and so you just kind of are left with the present. So new song, is there a new album coming? Uh, not at the moment. Uh, I, I would love, I would love to do it. Uh, my, uh, my financial resources are going elsewhere at the moment, but, uh, I understand you, you also have a family. All right, all right. Scott Stein, take the back roads. Lesley It’s like Pigs Where it all started. get. 17 Already brokenhearted. It’s just the light on. To But It’s all right. The sunrise is pretty. um, Outstanding, Scott, thank you. Thank you. My mind always wants to take the back roads. When will that be available? That’s a great question. Um, I, I, I don’t, yeah, I don’t have any plans to go in the studio right now. So, uh, yeah, maybe at some point in the future. All right, well, check out all of Scott, but I’ll be playing it live, uh, a week from, uh, Sunday, July 5th, as part of the Operation gig, uh, concert series in Ditmas Park here in Brooklyn. Oh, so outstanding, you can see me with my trio. All right, and more of Scott’s music is, uh, of course, where, where would you expect it to be? But, uh, Scott Stein, scottsteinmusic.com. Indeed. Claire, we, uh, oh, you wanna play us in a little bit, Scott, a little more sweet. We got a little, little intro to the. Oh, of course. Gotta keep up our rituals. Well, it’s our he’s our music director, so he should make the decisions about the music. He is. We have some more on our list of sweet 1616 sweet things about Tony Martignetti nonprofit video, and number 4 on that list is uh. Tony is sweet for his kindness to guests and listeners alike. Tony is, is very kind and very nice to his very great, all his, all his guests. He really, he truly is. He’s just very gracious and asks, you know, questions in a, in a probing but polite way and has a lot of talent with, with his, uh, with his sweetness. And, um, number 5 is We use the term radio instead of podcast because radio is like vintage sounding and that’s, that’s very sweet. Like I think Tony Martignetti nonprofit radio instead of like the nonprofit podcast, like I think the radio just sounds really just. Yeah, let’s talk, let’s talk about that for a minute. Yeah, because I grew up loving radio. Yeah, me too. Uh, WNEW, WPLJ in New York City, they were, they were both, uh, classic rock, album rock oriented AOR stations. How about, how about you all? What, uh, Scott, what music did you grow up with? Oh man, uh, it’s a long list. Um, my, my father is now retired, but he was, uh, uh, the cantor of our, of our synagogue, uh, for a long, long time and professional cantor, so I grew up with a lot of like a Jewish music. I grew up with a lot of, uh, classical music, a lot of Broadway, uh, not very much rock and roll, surprisingly, I had to find my way on that. But I will say that my, a lot of the artists that, that I love, um, I was introduced to. Um, thanks to a public radio station that, so shout out to uh WAPS 91.3 in Akron, Ohio, my hometown. Really helped shape my shape my tastes. Awesome. WAPS. Yeah, I remember, I remember also growing up with the public radio WNYC. How about you, Gene? Early, early, uh, early radio influences for you? Or music, music influences, uh, yeah, so, um, I grew up in Vancouver. I grew up in Vancouver. Uh, CF, shout out to CFun, probably not around anymore, but uh, I, I listened to a lot of jazz and I was the Village Vanguard yesterday. Um, so, um, shout out to, to jazz in NYC. You’re in New York City now, yeah, like. Just for a few days, for a few days. Village Vanguard is, uh, that’s an institution. That’s like, uh, Birdland is another jazz institution. In, uh, in New York City. How about you, Amy? Would, would, would early radio, any early music? I didn’t listen to the radio as a kid. We, my dad, um, exclusively listened to blues and reggae, and we never listened to the radio. We always, he was always curating. Whether at the house or in the car, you know, which record or or which. Like he had a very extensive record to tape, tape to CD, you know, as times evolved, there was everything had a copy on every uh mode. Yeah, so it was he was, he was your DJ then. He was your DJ, yes, all the time. And really it meant I didn’t know there was other music than blues and reggae because that’s all there was, uh, until I was 16 and could drive myself and then I was like, oh, if you just push these buttons, they just play music, but someone else curates the music, you know, um. But we have always, I mean, since then and now as an adult, have always listened to OPB, which is Oregon Public Broadcasting, even when we lived in England, because it felt very like, oh, we’re still at home if we’re listening to OPB, you know. Cool. Yeah, right, you can hang on to, uh, right, hang on to the rituals, uh, the ritual of being home, even, even living abroad. Exactly, yes. Kate, how about your early music? Mostly it was mom and dad picking the station, but it was definitely like the one that I can remember is 102.9 MGK. I think that’s classic rock. Magic MGK in New Jersey. OK, MGK. Do you still, uh, do you still listen to MGK type, uh, album rock, or no? When it’s on, but if I can get my au chord to work, then, then no, then I’m on my Amazon playlist. OK, another year, Kate said that her, her mom liked Bon Jovi. Am I correct with that, right? like. Yeah man, Bon Jovi. I think there, I think there’s a New Jersey law that says you have to, right, that him and Springsteen, yes, that would be true, probably. Go ahead, Claire, some more, some more sweet, uh, sweet 16. I’m from Long Island, so it’s like, I grew up like a town over from Billy, where Billy Joel’s hometown of Hicksville. And so Billy Joel is like the religion growing up and, and it was kind of in the earlier days of, of Billy Joel and we, my friends and I, we always talk about how we went to go see him at the Hofstra. Uh, not Hofstra at a CW Post at the dome, and then a couple of years later that dome caved in from too much snow. So like that’s the show like we kind of always talk about because then there was this big like catastrophe, but no one was hurt, so thank God. There’s, there’s another, there’s a classic rock song that a lot of people listen to at the holidays. Uh, from CW Post, Bruce Springsteen’s recording of, of, uh, that song, um, Santa Claus Santa Claus, Santa Claus is coming to town. It’s from 1970 something. I’m pretty sure it’s the 1970s, and it’s from CW Post on, uh, on Long Island, yeah. We went in, and I’m aging myself, but I think we went in like 1977 or 19798, and I think the dome caved in like in, like in 1980 or something, but yeah, Springsteen played there. I’m sure if I, if I polled my friends on Facebook, I bet I have 10 friends at least that went to that, and, and 50 who will say they were there. Yeah, right, right, right, right. OK, so go ahead, right, so my next, um, number 6 on our list of sweet 16 is about Gene. That he is so sweet for sharing his legal knowledge with all our listeners and us who are not attorneys, and he sweetly translates this, you know, complicated, these complicated issues for us to, to bring it right back down to earth where we need to be able to use this information that, that Gene shares with us. So Gene is extremely sweet for that. It’s that’s me, that’s me applauding Gene, absolutely, Gene. You know, yeah, you explain things so people can understand them. You bring us important legal happenings, trends, uh, sometimes it’s very detailed and sometimes it’s bigger picture. You’re the best, Gene. You’re the best, you’re the best legal contributor we’ve ever had. It’s, it’s so, well, he’s the only one we’ve ever had, but of course, of course he’s, I’ll give Gene a chance to. But Gene also explains things very calmly, you know, he doesn’t get all worked up. Tony and I sometimes get all worked up, and Gene is just a voice of reason, you know. He’s the voice of reason. You are calm, Gene. Genane, let, let Gen, Gene, Gene. Jean Jean, oh, Jean Gene, the Lachine. I used to call him that, but I think he blushed, it made him blush, so I stopped. I stopped. I love the Gong Show reference, so. The Gong Show reference. That’s where it’s from. Jean Jean, it was Jean Genan the dancing Machine was on The Gong Show with, uh, Gene Barry. Oh, actually, uh, I’m pretty sure that’s the host that was Gene, was another Gene. But yes, that’s where I got the, no, Gene, Gene Rayburn, Gene Barry. No, no, Gene Rayburn was, uh, The Price Is Right. No, wait, no, it’s his Match Game. No, Gene Rayburn. doesn’t matter. Paris. Chuck Burris, Chuck Burris was Chuck Barris. Barris was the host of The Gong Show. Thank you. Gene Berry was a western star. All right, Gen, uh, where I got Gene from. OK, stuff is just floating around in our old heads, me and Tony. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead, Claire. Give us some more. Our baby boomer heads. It’s time for a break. 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Number 7, it’s sweet that Tony is an attorney who’s an expert in plan giving. He could have gone a lot of ways with his law career, but, but focusing on this estate planning and plan giving, he’s helped so many charities with my favorite form of fundraiser, fundraising. Which is, which is, which is, uh, bequests and other deferred gifts. And so thank you, Tony, for being, it’s very sweet that you, you chose plan giving and estate planning and charitable estate planning as your expertise in the, in the wonderful world of law, where you could, you could have been an ambulance chaser. I’m so glad I did. Yeah, I would never be an ambulance chaser, but, uh, yeah, practicing law just didn’t work out for me, uh, uh, but, uh, the, the practice of planned giving fundraising. Absolutely. I’ve, I’ve loved it since 19 1997. And sweet that not only did you pursue this path, you’ve also wrapped up a bunch of your knowledge in a book. Oh, that was unscripted. That was very thoughtful, very thoughtful. Thank you. Yes, I I appreciate getting to read it early and tell you things that I didn’t like and then you fixed them all. That’s good. Good editor. I mean, who else, you know, who else but sweet Tony Martignetti would say, oh, I hear all of your complaints and I’ve addressed all of them. Yes, I hope I did. Yes, you were, you were a very gracious, uh, beta reader, early reader of the book, along with, as was, uh, Claire and as was Jean. Uh, thank you very much. The book is publishing in September. Yes, Planned giving accelerated. Yes, thank you. Our number 8 is about Amy Sample Ward. Who’s here for our anniversary show and Amy’s so sweet for sharing all her like, Technology and trend, like you really know what’s going on, like, more than we do, like, because Tony and I are more like over here, but you’re over here with all your, like super duper knowledge. So thank you for being so sweet to share all your knowledge with us. It’s fantastic. So then we, well, what I have to say that I’ve, I’ve always admired Amy because she, she sees the, the, the mic, because they see the micro as well as the bigger picture. Uh, I tend to focus on examples and, uh, they see the, they see the forest while I’m looking at a, Tree. Uh, I know, I’ve, and I’ve, I’ve shouted you out for that. Yeah. You, you, you see, you see, you see trends and things that, uh, the rest of us don’t catch. You talk to a lot of people in the field. No. Thank you. Thank you, Amy. So, oh, and you know what is also sweet? Let’s send out some love to Kate for her sweet voice and her sweet skills. She’s brought such a nice, you know, compliments the, the, the Tony Martignetti aesthetic very, very, very well, and it’s, it’s, it’s very nice to have you here and, and your audition has been just really sweet. I’ve just so enjoyed having, having Having you on board and I know Tony really appreciates you because you do all these things now that, that he doesn’t have to, so that’s amazing and you’re getting very good experience for your, your resume and your LinkedIn profile and you can, I’ll help you beef that up if you need help with that because I’m not good at that. So, so that’s very sweet. And of course, Scott’s sweet tunes truly elevate, to use another like buzzword, he elevates the show. Elevates, that’s the new thing, elevates. Elevates, I hadn’t heard that one, but he does. Yeah, it works, it works. It works with Scott. Yeah, I’ve, I’ve just, you know, like I said, Scott, I, I just, I love the music. I love the song Cheap Red Wine, you know, it’s just, uh, We’re just like cheap red wine. There’s nobody waiting in line. We’re just like cheap red wine, you know, that, uh, there’s like, yeah, there’s no. I, I to, to make a, uh, Billy Joel reference, I, I’ve referred to that record as being from my angry young man period. Oh, angry, that’s funny, angry young man, very, very kind of, kind of snarky and cynical as a twenty-something, yeah, right, right. I think that’s really cute. But now as you’re looking back, you’re like, now you’re doing take the, take the road, take the back roads as you, as you’re reflecting after, uh, 20 some years as a wise, I don’t know about wise, older veteran. I don’t know if I’m any wiser, but I’m sure you’re wiser. So I guess I’m suite number 11 for making, for lovingly making this list because I threw out this idea to Tony. I was like, OK, sweet 16, now I have to come up with 16 things. But I did. I sat on the couch, came up with the 16 things. Thank you, Claire Meyerhoff. You always, you always bring it, you always bring it for our anniversary shows. Thank you, little something, something. And, um, you know, it’s so sweet, number 12 that we’re here together once again for the 800th show. We’re also, this is just the sweetest thing. I love this. Like every year, I see the same people and it’s, it’s really, really cool. We’re, we’re like a little, you know, like a little gang. It’s our, it’s our, it’s our tradition. Yes, yes. Uh, Amy, thank you. You, uh, you had to do some, uh, calendar magic to, to, to, to be with us, but you know that, uh, we would have, we would have rescheduled the recording if you, if you could not have made it. Uh, absolutely. There’s no, uh, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll do it without any one of you. No, this, this doesn’t, it doesn’t, this doesn’t happen that way. So that way. No, it can’t. Like the Brady Bunch. It’s a jubilee without all of us. It would not. It would just be a jube. A jubil. You can’t have, you can’t have a jubil, a 16th jubil anniversary. No, you gotta have the full jubilee. That’s funny. Absolutely. So that’s it on my list for, for right at the, at the moment. How are we doing on time? Time for, I think we’re doing, uh, we’re doing, uh, we’re doing quite well. It’s time, it’s time actually for. Uh, Scott, to do a second song. Yes. All right. Intro, intro it please for us. What are, what are, what are we gonna hear? Sure, so, since we’ve been talking about that, the song Cheap Red Wine, which actually came out back in 2009, I thought it would be fun to do another song from that same album. It was a record called Jukebox, and Cheap Red Wine is the first tune on that, that record. So I’m gonna do the second one. Uh, this is a song, it’s called Wish I Knew, and, uh, I went through a period where I just thought if I could write something that sounds like Carole King, I think I’d be pretty happy with that. So there are a lot of Carole King type chords in here. You’ll hear, you hear that, so. All right, wish I knew. Try to hold you. the I Shiny darling. Very nice. Outstanding. Thank you, Scott. That was great. Really good. I could definitely hear the Carole King influence. I’m really digging that you’re kind of tapping into those types cause I, I feel like your, your previous song was a little Jim Croce maybe, or, or something like that, like it reminded me of, of, of you sort of that, that era, and I think that’s, that’s a great time in music and some of those artists. I mean, fantastic, like. Yeah, if they put those songs out today, it’d be better than anything today. That’s just my boomer opinion. I, I think, I think you hear their influence actually. There’s, there’s some folks out there making stuff that, that, that like you can, you can tell who’s been listening to the, to like that era so there’s. Yeah, you hear, you hear that, you hear it in today, today’s, yeah, I think so. I think there’s, I still keep my, I, I don’t listen to as much of contemporary stuff as I used to, but I, I, I still feel like it’s, it’s like part of my job to like keep my ear to the ground and kind of pick out the stuff that I like, you know, even if I’m not the target audience anymore. Right, well, like Harry Styles has done a few covers, like I think Bridge Over Trouble Water or a few things like that, and, and they’re really popular. I mean, well, everyone loves Harry Styles, but yeah, I mean, I’m, I’m a parent. Sorry, I didn’t mention. I mean, I’m a parent too, so I’m always like there’s stuff that my kids like that there’s plenty that I’m like, oh jeez, now I know how my parents felt. But like every once in a while, like my older kid’s only 7, but like he’ll go like, oh, I want to play this. And like every once in a while like I, I get pleasantly surprised. I’m like, all right, there’s that dude’s got some, you know, he’s got some vocal chops. There’s some interesting production things happening. There’s good music in every era. They’re all, I want, I want a Scott Stein version of a Music Together album. Do you know music Together? Yeah, it’s the kids’ music. I, uh, my, when I first moved to New York, actually I had a day job. I was working at like You know, it wasn’t music together, but it was like kind of a, a company that was trying to do something very similar. I was an accompanist and I, you know, the funny thing is now I’m, I’m way more, I, I probably would be way more excited to do that now because I, I have like a seven year old, well, my 7 year old would be too old for it, but like I have a 4 year old, yeah, so I, so I get that a lot more, uh, intuitively than I did when I was like. Uh, 24, 25, I moved here, you know, it was like, oh God, I gotta play this again, you know, I just wanna rock, man. Play us in for a little more Sweet 16, please, Scott, for our, our 3rd and final, 3rd and final Sweet 16. Wish I could say. He can sing. Claire, what do you have for us? Well, All I have to say is cake. Cake is sweet. And did anybody here bring a cake for the sweet 16 party? Where is the cake, Tony? We can, we can blow out, we can blow out the candles. How about that? I want a Carvel cake. Oh, Carvel is good. Ice cream, ice cream. They’re, they’re decadent. They’re decadent. I could eat a whole little carveel cake all by myself. So live listener love is inherently sweet. I love the live listener. Yeah, today, um, Tim, today, Tim, Tim Curran, uh, messaged me on LinkedIn. Yeah, I love to shout out the live listener love. Um, they are, uh, you know, there’s a special, there’s just special messages I get some, sometimes, uh, it’s, it’s like this one’s LinkedIn. I get emails from time to time. Or folks just, uh, a comment, something, a comment, you know, just, uh. Saying how much the show means to them. Sometimes they, some folks bring it to their board. I’ve had folks say that, that, that show, I listened, I had, I had my board members listen to that or it, it, it brought up a conversation among our board. To me, that’s a, that’s a home run episode. If it’s, if it’s moving folks to a conversation and validates, you know, validates things perhaps this communications director or whoever have been, have been thinking and saying, but their board wasn’t really listening. So when, when we have an expert on our show who says something that validates it, and then they can bring that to their board or their boss, and that validate. Validation is extremely, extremely important in non, in nonprofits because as nonprofits come sometimes, you know, a little bit behind the times. They don’t make decisions fast. They’re not nimble, right? They have like committees, endless committees and subcommittees and things don’t get done. So, you know, when you get that good advice and you can just act on it and get that validation, then you can move forward much more quickly. Well, Tony, back to the point I made earlier about you. Championing or taking on the role of, of listeners and asking guests questions we’ve talked about before, like some of the value of the podcast of the radio show, sorry, um, is the practice of the conversation so that people can go to a, you know, team meeting or staff meeting or board meeting and have already had one practice through what this conversation might look like. Yeah, yeah, very good, yeah. Yeah, it, it, right, you can, you can kind of, yeah, help you coach you through what, what might come up and, and some talking points. Yeah, uh, very good. Yeah. You know, the longevity of your show makes you a, a, a very trusted resource for people and a trusted voice. You can say to your boss, this, you know, this, this podcast has been on for 16 years and this is the best people and nonprofits have been on this podcast. It’s not like, you know, some lady who, or let’s some guy. Who just like has a podcast and it’s like the second episode. It’s, you, you, you really, your validation is really backed up by your, by your, you know, your history of guests and, and the longevity of your show is amazing. Like I always tell people when they talk about podcasts, I say, well, Tony Martignetti has this podcast, he’s been doing 50 episodes a year, you know, once a week for 16 years. Like that’s That’s hard to do without like a whole team of, of people and all that. So Tony is the sweetest masochist, the sweetest masochist I’ve ever met. Well, we have a great team. We have a great team. But yeah, it, it just, you know, the consistency just helps me do it. If I, if I wasn’t consistent, uh, you know, I’d put it off, uh, uh, it’s summertime, June, July, maybe we’ll come back in September, you know, uh, it’s the holidays, uh, I’ll just take the month of December off, you know, uh, uh, I just, I need the, uh, uh, yeah, I need the consistency just helps me. So. Thank you. Uh, thanks, everybody. Uh, I, I, I accept your, uh, your gracious comments about me in the show. Very thoughtful. What else you got there, Claire? For number 15, uh, you know, just, um, thinking about what Amy’s sample word said is that, uh, your new book was lovingly prepared to help even the tiniest nonprofits realize sweet bequests with plan giving strategies that are doable and do it now. I’ve learned, I’ve been in plan giving for about, well, a little bit longer than the show maybe because that’s how I first met Tony. I was writing an article and I found Tony and I said, hey, can I, you know, talk to you about this and then you became like a resource for me. I’d call him up from my car and go, Oh, I’m doing this, I’m writing a postcard about charitable gift annuities and la la la, and Tony would explain things to me, so I, you know, I seemed like I knew more than, than what I did. And so, you know, I love, I love plan giving and Tony’s part of my, my plan giving journey and a very important part of that journey and we feel the same way about small nonprofits that they can get these, these sweet bequests because your donors are going to leave their Their money and their assets to somebody, and if you don’t let them know, if you don’t engage them and communicate with them and have conversations with them, they don’t know. They just don’t know you’re in the game, so they’re going to leave it all to Harvard or whatever and not the local dog shelter that they actually care about more. So, we are on the same mission, Tony and I, to educate and inform people about the wonderful world. Of Plannedgiving. So I’ll turn it over for the last 16th, our sweet 16th. I’m gonna let Tony offer up something sweet. So did you think about that at all, Tone? I did. Uh, well, thank you for what, for what you just said. Uh, I, I’ve loved our time together collaborating. Uh, I’ve brought you in on a, on a client or two through the years and Uh, and again, you’ll find Claire, uh, PG agency.com, stands for planned giving, of course. Brilliant marketer, brilliant marketer. I, uh, well, thank you. I appreciate that. I’m turning it back to our listeners again for number 16 because, uh, I don’t wanna have a diary. I, I’m not a, I’m not a good diary. I don’t, I don’t journal. I don’t diary, so I need you, I, I need you to listen. Otherwise, it’s, the, the show is gonna become a diary. We can’t have that. No, uh, you know. Grateful that you listen. And pleased and gratified that it helps you. It helps you in your, in your work. It helps you in your relationships with your coworkers. It helps you in your relationship with the whole community, with your donors. It, we’re in a relationship business, you know, even if, even if you’re funded by, mostly by foundations, you have relationships with people at those foundations. I, I, so much of what we do is just based on people and our relationships with them. In in all the different networks that we, that we have. It, it all, uh, the networks are people. So I’m glad that the show is helping you and I thank you for giving back by, by listening, by listening. And we still got some time, so I’m gonna turn around to, uh, To our esteemed, uh, panel and our, our, our, uh, anniversary show celebrities. Who, who else has a, a, a suite? Throw out something sweet. We’ll do more than 16 suites. Who’s got something? It’s sweet that you keep coming back to the NTC as a source of interviewing many, many very smart people who are sweet to offer all of their expertise to the community through your platform. Thank you. I love our relationship that we have between nonprofit radio and, and 10. Yeah, uh, I believe it’s 13 years. Uh, I’m pretty sure this year was the 13th year, and, uh, next year in Portland will be the 14th year that nonprofit radio is at, uh, is at intense. It’s already on my calendar. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, but we love it because it also adds, I mean, it adds value for the community, hearing from people they otherwise wouldn’t hear from, and many of those speakers that you select for the show or even people you’ve never talked to before. So they’re, they’re new in all those ways, and I think that is really valuable. I mean, speaking to Claire’s point of 16 whole years of doing this is just If you talk to the same three people, if you only talk to Gene and I, every show, God, no one would listen to the show, you know, but you’re, you’re always bringing on lots more people and that there, there are people with expertise all across the sector, so. It’s a joy. Thank you. Thank you. Who else? Who’s got some, something sweet? I was looking through my office the other day. Oh, hold on, Gene. Uh, Kate, you go, you go, and then Gene. I found, and I was talking to my uncle about this, I found my first little note from my first payment, and it says congratulations on your first payment for your first paying gig, Tony, and it is 77-23. And I’ve been keeping every single note that he’s given me and every little encouragement, you know, cause his generosity and kindness is so overwhelmingly abundant and Thank you. It’s not even, it’s not even time for your birthday gift or, or a Christmas gift. Imagine that, oh, yes. Well, because your first show was June 19th of 2023. And yes, I, I, I, I like to include notes to vendors. Uh, you’re not, you’re more than a vendor, but when I have to, when I have to send checks to people, I don’t just, I don’t like to just put a check in the mail. I like to put a little Post-it note on, even if it just says thank you. Thank you that way. You keep every one of those, every single one in a little baggie. Make a collage, like a really cool collage, maybe on your 5th anniversary or, or something. Make a collage from the pod. So that’d be a cool piece of art. Thank you very much. I’m glad, I’m glad you’re with us. Gene, you had something sweet. Throw in and add on to your generosity, Tony. So, um, and every year Tony is so generous to, to make out a contribution, um, to, to my and to, to Amy’s, uh, some of our favorite charities, and, um, people don’t know that, but, um, really super appreciated, Tony. So thank you for your generosity to your audience and your generosity to us. Including this last year, Tony donated specifically for scholarships to the NTC which helped us provide more scholarships than we ever had at a time when, of course, the sector is experiencing lots and lots of financial loss. It’s Amazing stuff, Tony. Thank you. It’s a pleasure to do that for you, for the two of you year after year. Thank you, Gene. It’s, it’s a joy. It’s, this whole thing is a joy. I don’t know. All right, you’re getting me misty. Thank you. It took us 50 minutes in to get you to cry. We failed the jubilee. We the jubilee tears. All right, thank you. Scott, everybody knows that you gotta take us out of the 800th show and the 16th anniversary jubilee with nothing other. Than the inevitable. Cheap red wine. Cheap red wine, please from the album. From the album Jukebox. Yes, and thank you as always for giving, giving me an opportunity to play and, and, and, um, including my music every week. It’s just, this is such a joy. So, with pleasure, here we go. You just keep on talking as soon as Thinking rap I’m looking. Love that we found. Find me charming, but I can’t figure out how. diamonds. That I wear. To the good stuff I. some competition. I’m a wealthier. Now up. promise OK. There’s the hell out French used to find me charming, but I can’t be. It don’t matter now. If you missed any part of this week’s show, I beseech you, find it at Tony Martignetti.com and thank you to everybody. Thanks to each of you for being with us this week. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Our creative producer is Claire Meyerhoff. I’m your associate producer, Kate Martinetti. The show’s social media is by Susan Chavez. Mark Silverman is our web guy, and this glorious live music is by Scott Stein. Thank you for that affirmation, Scotty. Be with us next week for nonprofit radio. Big nonprofit ideas for the other 95%. And be great.