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Nonprofit Radio for February 9, 2018: Your Online Giving Plan

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Joe Garecht: Your Online Giving Plan

Change is a constant in the online space. What does that mean for your fundraising plan? Fundraising consultant Joe Garecht shares his wisdom.

 

 

 

 


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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Oh, i’m glad you’re with me. I’ve endured the pane of glass a tricky if i had to speak with harry words you missed today’s show you’re online giving plan change is a constant in the online space what does that mean for your fund-raising plan? This year fund-raising consultant joe garrick shares his wisdom on tony’s take two lose track of time. We’re sponsored by pursuant full service fund-raising data driven and technology enabled tony dahna i’m a slash pursuant radio and by wagner cpas guiding you beyond the numbers regular cps dot com tell us turning credit card processing into your passive revenue stream tony dahna may slash tony tell us i’m very glad to welcome joe garrick to the show. He is president of garrick fund-raising associates. He has nearly twenty years of experience helping non-profits build donorsearch sta mes to increase their fund-raising he was founder of the fund-raising authority, providing online fund-raising training before consulting, he was an executive director and the development director. You’ll find him at garrick tw dot com and he’s at joe garrick and he’s on non-profit radio welcome, joe garrett. Thanks, tony. I’m really, really glad to be here with you today. Thanks for having me. I’m glad you’re doubly glad. That’s cool. Thank you. Thank you. Um, okay, let’s, talk about online. We got a good amount of time together. This space, as i said in the intro, is always changing. But how do we, uh, how do we adapt? Yeah, it’s a great question and it’s one that, you know particularly bedevils small and mid sized non-profits because there’s a ton of information coming at fundraisers about online fund-raising it comes from what they see, large organizations doing it comes from what vendors are trying to sell them, and a lot of times it comes internally. I can’t tell you how many non-profits i’ve worked with where the fundraisers say to me, hey, i was talking to a boardmember and they said, we’ve got to be on blank and blank is usually a social media platform or ah, blogging platform or a crowdfunding platform. Okay, and so they’re kind of getting it from all sides. And so one of the one of the biggest things like right up front here that i want to say to non-profits is, um, kind of relax about online fund-raising it’s important, but just like every other kind of fund-raising it’s important to develop a plan and a strategy for your online fund-raising and to implement it and give it time toe work, you know, a lot of non-profits i’ve found feel like they’ve got to keep up, you know, every new thing that comes out, they’ve got to keep up with, you know, they’ve got ad, they gotta take bitcoin donations, they’ve got it beyond another social media platform, and the truth is just like every other kind of fund-raising this is fund-raising it’s a process, you need to develop a plan, and you need to stick with it. And then after you give it some time to run, you contest and iterated, you need teo, but it’s, it’s, knowable and it’s doable for every non-profit stick with it long enough to toe do, in fact test and and see if there’s if there’s traction among your constituents, i mean, you’re not going to know that in just like, four to six months that’s, right? That’s, right? I always say you know, develop a plan and give it, you know, at the very least a year so that you have enough data, enough contacts with your donors, with your prospects, with the network as a whole, to really see where it’s going for your non-profit again, it’s, just like, you know, just because we say it’s online fund-raising doesn’t mean it not still fund-raising, you know, non-profits wouldn’t, you know, launch a they wouldn’t launch a capital campaign and give it a month, and if they don’t have, you know, a certain percentage of gifts dropped the campaign right away, they’d carefully consider whether or not they were ready to run a crowd i mean, a capital campaign, they develop a plan for it, and then they’d implement that plan and on lee after they’ve implemented, would they be able to really just make decisions about changing that plan and it’s the same with online fund-raising need to really think it through before you dive into a new strategy or a new tactic, and then you’ve got to give it time. And and also you really need to make sure that your online fund-raising strategy works with your overall fund-raising strategy so many non-profits have limited bandwidth in terms of time and money. I mean, rare right is the non-profit that has too much band with all it never happens. So you have to make sure that you’re making wise decisions because everything that you’re doing online, it’s time that you take away from offline and everything you’re doing offline is time that you’re taking away from online. So you have to kind of see where those where those tactics strategies fit together in your overall fund-raising plan. Yeah, and we’re going to talk a little about the offline, too, because they do need to align. What do you do with that? Boardmember or ceo that says, we need to be somewhere can can the existence of a plan help you and be sort of a defense and say, look, we’ve got a plan, we’re executing, you know? What can we say to that person who was above us that says, we gotta be on this new this new ah shiny platform? Sure, yeah, i think your biggest the biggest tool you have is a fundraiser foran executive director when those ideas come at you is a plan. Now, if you’re developing the plan because you’re getting those ideas, then you may have a problem because now that’s all for today? Yeah, why isn’t idea and that playing but if you if you take the time to develop a plan ahead of time about how your non-profit is going to pursue engagement online, and if that plan has phases and deadlines and metric and, you know, testing and looking at maternal investment and it really just is a good plan and it makes sense, then you’re able to, you know, take that to your boardmember why usually like to say to boardmember xero first of all, that’s a really interesting idea. Thank you so much for being think, you know, for thinking about this for our non-profits top of mind that you’re generating these ideas, i want to let you know i’m definitely going, we’re definitely going to consider it right now, we’re in the middle of our online and he’s been playing online fund-raising plan for the year and were, you know, at band with capacity, and we’re going to implement this, and at the end of the year, we’re goingto look at how we did and if there’s you know, if there are some things that are underperforming, and we think that this strategy will, you know, outperform those we’d love to take a look at it. So, you know, stay tuned, i promise i’ll report back to you at the end of the year, and then you know it, you know, an animal, so i hope that non-profit that you’re working at, you know, whoever, whoever you are, dear listener, that you are not in this situation, but if you’re in a situation where boardmember they’re saying no, no, no, you definitely need to do this this year, right now, then my suggestion always is saying to them, that’s, fine, we can do that, but what should we cut? You know, that’s the big question, what should we cut? We’re running at capacity in terms of band with so let’s, take a look at the fund-raising plan and you tell me what to cut out of that fund-raising plan to be able to fit this and normally that gets boardmember thinking more about the fact that while fund-raising capacity is not a zero sum game and it’s a world of abundance, you were fund-raising resource is and staff resources are your something certainly xero some game? Yeah, that’s i like that. Like that method of handling certainly give the affirmation that your your idea is meritorious, but where? You know, you said we’re in the middle of executing a current plan. Hopefully you don’t have that kind of micromanagement if we had many guests on, you know, saying that your board members or others senior volunteers, if you like, should not be micromanaging your you know, the day to day tactics that you’re that you’re executing, i’ll tell you what you were going, we’re going to take our first break, so hang with me, please. Great. Pursuing the field guide for data driven fund-raising it’s, the latest resource on their listener landing page now at tony dahna slash pursuing to radio there’s so much data available to all of us. It’s overload. So what you gonna do with it? The field guide is comes in to make your data less daunting. What’s in it. They’ve got five high level steps that you can take quickly to translate your business objectives into actionable data. That’s, that’s manageable real world case studies showing you how some other non-profits are using data, in other words, do some benchmarking and learning worksheet with some conversation and thought starters to help you your team. Maybe even some of those key volunteers board members find the right focus to begin a data driven culture. It’s the field guide for data driven fund-raising tony dahna slash pursuant radio let’s go back to joe and your online giving plan, and my voice just cracked, too. How are you still there? And i know you are, joe, all right? Yeah, well, i was just mentioning the micromanagement. Anything you want, you want to be among the countless guests who have said that you should not be allowing your board members to micromanage tactic like that. Yeah, well, obviously, i concur. And i would i would say again that a planning process and developing a plan is your best defense against that. And i were talking about online giving today, but just, you know, i’ve found that developing an overall development plan fund-raising plan for your organization and if you’re a smaller midsize organization actually, going through the step of having your board approved that plant vote to approve it, hopefully lead by the board chair is sometimes a way that you really can, you know, provided defense against that because then you can go back and say what we were all on board with this plan is we’re going to execute the plan as as we, you know, as we all agreed, as we got the buy-in yeah, we get that board. Buy-in okay, right? So as we’re looking at our our our plan, how do we figure out what’s the best mix for our organisation? Of course, there’s no, no universal formula, how we figure out what, what fits us best. What mix? Sure, and you’re right, there’s no universal formula for online fund-raising but the closest we can get to a universal principle for online fund-raising right now is that email is the most effective method for online fund-raising now, that’s not to discount the impact of social media were crowdfunding or, you know, or your website, they’re all important, but email is the only knowable and really active medium that your organization controls. You know, we’re in a situation where when you’re posting on social media, first of all, you don’t own the social media profile the social media site does and that’s been proven by the fact that, you know, when you, when facebook first started out, if you were a non-profit on facebook or a company on facebook and you were, you know, you had followers, the vast majority, then we’re going to see the posts that you put up right now, you know, that used to be remember that remember that time? Yeah, and that mystery companies and non-profits fuel hoodwink you probably remember facebook was getting people to buy advertising to get likes on their page, as opposed lynx clicks to their links with the idea that if you got people to like your page, they would then see all the other content you put up essentially for free, you know, once you’ve got that buy-in and now now, you know, before the latest algorithm change, they you know, facebook was only showing you were posted less than ten percent of the people who liked your page unless you’re paying for advertising and that’s going down again because of the latest algorithm change. So so clearly you don’t control you can’t control the volume and pacing of your messages to donors on social media. That’s true of every social media site, unless you’re paying for it, your website’s, kind of similar, like i love when donors come to our organization’s website that i’m working with, and click that donate now button, but most donors aren’t going to do that, and if they don’t do that, then unless some using, you know, expensive retargeting advertising tools of paying for a car for advertising on other sites? I’m i don’t know who’s coming to our website, i don’t know who’s stopping by if they don’t taken action. Yeah, andi so that’s kind of passive as well. Email right is the only active mediums that a non-profit controls. If you have someone give you permission to use their email address for your email newsletter or for other communications, they’re going to see your messages. Almost everybody in the united states certainly checks their email address their primary email address almost every day. Oh, it’s, hundreds of the stats are like we checked, like like one hundred twenty five times a day or something, you know, right it’s just beyond me. Yeah, and particularly because a mobile right everyone’s looking on their email on there, you know, and so and and how do they check it, they skim basically, if he doesn’t land in the junk folder, they’re going to see your name and the subject line, which gives you a fighting chance of having your email open and so sabat i always advised, but i’m building a new online fund-raising system for a non-profit my advice to them is funnel everybody as many people as you can do everything you can to collect that email address, because then you are in control, you’re in the driver’s seat. So, you know, your original question was, what is the mix? The right mix for? Non-profits and i would say that for most, almost every non-profit the right mix is ah, hub and spoke system where your website is the hub, but the purpose of that hub is to collect email addresses from all the spokes, which is all of the places that you will have a presence online, whether it’s paid or earned or social. Okay, you said, you know, once you have that email address, you’re in the driver’s seat, but that’s with the with the qualification that you’re you’re adhering to the permission that the person gave you in terms of what? Subjects they want to hear from you about if you’re sophisticated enough to be asking when and how often but you want to keep to those to the parameters that the that the potential donor has given you absolutely, absolutely and so for, you know, for more sophisticated non-profit not only is it, you know, you know, the ethical thing to do to try and segment somewhat and determined the volume and the messaging, but also is really effective. Fund-raising right, if i, if i can determine by asking donors and tying their responses to the email address what they want to hear about how they want to hear from me, how often they want to hear from me that’s going to make our fund-raising program more effective, but for every non-profit you know the goal of collecting the email address, you know, what i kind of said was you want to collect email address, but you really want to collect permission to use it, right? You can go find email addresses, you come by list, you can do all this other stuff that’s, unethical, you know, in some cases, particularly for-profit businesses, it may be illegal or, you know but but what you really want to do is focus on getting permission and easiest way for smaller non-profits to get that permission is by signing people up for an email newsletter by signing people up to get your your non-profits email newsletter and other updates is usually the way we on brother and other communications is usually the way we try and freeze it and that’s broad and if that’s a starting place, if you’re more sophisticated than you contrive segment further, right, right? Based on topic and as i said, maybe even frequency they’ve even time of year. I’ve seen questions. Yeah, on that can come later to when you khun survey later on, once you’ve i mean, if you’ve got there, if you’ve got their permission, and if you have the wherewithal to to execute on the segmentation, you might survey your donors, you’re not even just your donors, but survey your your the people that are accepting your communications and ask what their preferences are. Absolutely, andi, assuming you have the capability to adhere to them, you know you alluded a couple times, teo spending let’s talk a little about that how do we decide whether we should be spending on, uh, what i’m thinking primarily facebook, twitter? Sure, sure. Well, i mean, obviously there’s a there’s, a lot of benefits, two advertising on those platforms facebook in particular has a ton of targeting tools where you can really i mean, it’s a segue mentors dream right? You, khun really dahna drill down and really heavily segment you were you’re you’re advertising audience, you can say you wantto segment people who are thirty five to forty years old who live in indiana and who follow a certain, you know, a certain would have liked a certain page that’s really, really powerful the key, as you know and as any you know for-profit market or nose, the key is figuring out the return on investment and really trying to get your per click advertising spent down as low as possible, first of all, and i’m not, i wouldn’t say there’s a universal agreement with this, but my strong recommendation and on properties there’s really only one crew action you want to be paying for on facebook, and that action is getting people to click over to your website, right? I i don’t i don’t think it makes sense anymore to pay for like, i don’t think it makes sense to pay for other actions. I want to get people to click on links to my website to come over to my website where they can do what, where they can sign up for my email news longfield email drive him to that home. Yeah, but i own that connection. So your goal if you’re if you’re deciding to spend money on social media, is to get the cost per email acquisition is really what you’re trying to do as low as possible, and you know they’re through testing you really can get that down. You can certainly get the cost per click to your website down into the ten fifteen, twenty cents per click range, maybe lower, depending on what you’re targeting and then figuring out how many of those people sign up for your email newsletter. So i think that’s the, you know, the really the only consideration with online from a fund-raising perspective is really, you know, with all nine hundred advertising his return on investment now bigger organizations can afford things like i talked, you know, i mentioned earlier, which was like a retargeting. On bacon, you know, that’s, those ads that follow you across the web, you know, you could you look up, you know, non-profit radio and then you’re on another website and all of a sudden there’s a non-profit radio ads on that website and it’s, because you’re being targeted, you’re being followed buy a cookie that’s, you know that that impact your return on investment, but it’s really something that’s reserved two muchmore advanced organizations who have more money to spend on the testing because with all nine fund-raising really the fortunes in the follow-up it’s your spending money? If you’re paying for online engagement, you’re spending a certain amount now with the goal of making money on the back and and the way you’re going to make money on the back end is not by getting people to constantly, you know, come to your web site and clicked one ofthe donate now buttons it’s by using email to stay in touch with them, to solicit them and to try and build a path for them to become a regular giver to your organization. I admire that you kept yourself out of jargon jail by defining retargeting thank you, i was i was i was chomping at the bit to get you, but it was short lived because you immediately explain what we targeting is those those those ads that yes, you did you’re you’re free of drug in jail. Those ads that i consider annoying, i guess there are people who like them or if even if they don’t like them, they’re obviously successful because their companies making aa lot of money filtering adds segment in ads. Teo individual people i know, i know it’s a lucrative business i find i find that stuff annoying, um, creepy, but can be lucrative. Yeah, it is on dh it’s both i think i think it’s both on and then the other one that i didn’t mention our one hundred facebook. Of course, there is the possibility of google adwords and we’ve we’ve covered this on the show a couple times you could search that phrase tony martignetti dot com and we’ve had detailed conversations about how to take advantage of the ten thousand dollars per month that’s hard to spend that much money but it’s up to that maximum that google provides in an ad free adwords if you want to. And you could do much, much smaller campaigns. You don’t have to spend ten thousand dollars, but we’ve had guests talking about that and that’s another that’s, another possibility in the spending category, but it’s free because it’s tze a grant from google um okay, let’s. Um let’s bring in some some coordination between online and offline, as we’re thinking about what belongs in our plan three offline i’m thinking of is face-to-face meetings and u s mail. How do we how do we coordinate thes this with our with our online? Right? Well, good, great question and it’s two great questions you’re living me with thank you if you don’t have to keep it out, that is not necessary, you know you’re you’re a guest, i’m not going to cut your mic off so it’s not necessary to keep saying i got you the the you know again, i don’t want to make a i don’t want to make a sweeping generalizations because every non-profit is different, but if in general right the the most there is a hierarchy of fund-raising ass strategy’s where and it and it tends towards the more personal right so a in person ask. Is more effective than a phone ask a phone ask is more effective then a ah direct mail snail mail asked a snail mail ask is more effective than an email asking email ask is more effective than like social media ask now that you know, some donors don’t want to get a phone call or don’t want to get in person, you know, meeting and they want to be selected by the mail and that’s great, and we need respect what our donors you know what our donor preferences are, but in general that’s the hierarchy and if that’s the hierarchy, we need to respect that and realize that, as with all things there’s, ah, there’s a curve in terms of our time, and we should be spending more time on the more effective strategies. Now. The good news is that one of the reasons direct mail’s effective because it doesn’t take much time to talk to lots of donors. Your your average gifts size is going to be lower, but it’s relatively easy emails, even easier right it’s emails and even easier method your average gifts eyes is likely going to be lower than your direct male average. Gifts, eyes and so, you know, the things that go into your decision on your strategy for the year are go where the money is, what, you know, what kind of time do we have to invest in those things? And where our donors i mean that’s, really? Another question is, you know where, where our donors, if you’re a small organization that happens to have lots of donors scattered throughout the country for the world, then in person meetings aren’t going to be, as, you know, big a possibility for you, and you may have to rely on you no more on the mail in the morning. I don’t know. Not only where are they physically, but where are they? Virtually what platforms are they on? As we talked about, you know what preferences do they have for communications? And where do you find the bulk of them? You know, you may have more fun on facebook, but you’ve got you’ve got a lot more activity and engagement, riel engagement on twitter so you need to be spending more time there. I and the other just one other thing i wanted to put a little spin a little little point to is, of course, another factor with direct mail is the cost postage printing, the collating however you do when you do it in house, you pay somebody to do it, you know, there’s there’s a much bigger cost to direct mail. I’m not denying that it’s it’s ah it’s up there, you know, it’s it’s right below face-to-face ass, i’m not. I’m not quick challenging that, but just the cost factor of that the u s mail. Oh, yeah, and that’s, why return on investment is the biggest consideration when you want to direct mail testing intestine, right? If you don’t have the capacity to test and then the money to invest in testing, you shouldn’t particularly direct mail. You should not be doing prospecting mailing because you know it doesn’t. It doesn’t make any sense. I think you know, in developing your overall, you know, strategy email, you know, for most organizations, the email newsletter is the backbone of the donor cultivation and stewardship sabelo more about that. You alluded to that before, when you were talking about the hub, trying to get people to your site. You want that email address newsletter is the is the center of your communications plan. It sounds like for you, right? Yeah, that that that is true. You know, email emails are super popular for a couple of reasons. One is because they work. I mean, they’re away for for non-profits that would never get a monthly snail mail newsletter out the door or have any other way to connect with their donors monthly or even quarterly in a method that’s just cultivation and stewardship. That’s not on aska truitt for them to stay in touch with their donors on a regular basis, it gets to the donor the donors who are interested, we’d those newsletters, those who don’t can just delete them. It’s, it’s, you know, it’s effective, but but it’s also the backbone of most donorsearch altercation zsystems because of those other things we mentioned it’s cheap it’s, easy, it’s, easy to do. You know, it’s. Not like the old days where it was real hard to create a good looking email newsletter. You got services that constant contact in a weber and male chimp and you know you’re donordigital based all of them send out beautiful, you know, emails at a really, really cheap costs far less. Obviously, than the cost of direct mail, so for most non-profits it makes sense that that the backbone of your entire donorsearch altum ation system not just your online donor cultivation system, but your entire donorsearch conservation zsystems his email communication, it’s, it’s email newsletters again, you’re still gonna want with your certain segments of donors have much more personal contact that they didn’t want to invite them to cultivation event you’re going to want to talk to them in person, you’re going to want to go out and see them. You’re gonna want to send a personalized notes, but but email the email newsletter the email cultivation is something that ties almost all of your donors together. Okay, um, let’s, let’s, take a break there. Okay? George arika okay, sounds good. Regular sepa is this testimonial quote, this is my first year and we’re growing non-profit regular gps was completely attentive and gave the impression as if they were right next door when handling our review engagement. Even though we’re in a different state, they made me feel like we were the only client they had that’s like that. And like the whole thing, they were able to walk. Me, through starting up our accounts to finishing our yearly statements, nothing was too small of a task for them to handle their always available for questions and concerns customer service was exceptional and was greatly appreciated. I received great advice and guidance for better business practices. This is talking about the cps for god’s sake. Listen to this gushing thing, it’s it’s incredible! That was my part that i didn’t write that all from a professional while feeling supported and genuinely cared for in the process. Wagner stupas really stands out as a partner, and i could not be happier with the results and quote that’s from the small cancer research non-profit on the east coast, supported and genuinely cared for are they limo drivers, wedding photographers, makeup artists, caterers, florists alright, you hear the wedding theme? Are they pre op nurses, interventional cardiac surgeons, home health workers, chaplin’s, social workers, none of the above their just wagner, cps but they’re more they’re more than cpas, trusted advisors to their clients. You’re supposed to change our two firms every three years to get that fresh perspective, you want the advice of a firm that goes broad and helps you. Beyond just the numbers. That’s them right beyond the numbers. You hear me say it, talk to them. You know you can talk to at wagner. You coached him? He’s been on the show. He’s been guessed twice. I’ve had lunches and dinners with heat right here in new york city. You can speak to him, he’s a live person. And ah, well, the people i meet for lunches and dinners for the most part. So, you know, get to know them. See if wagner cps can help you beyond the numbers. Okay, i’m gushing, but ah, i like them. I like eat. I like i like wagner, wagner, cpas, dot com now time for tony’s take two. I was on a cruise last month, totally disconnected. Totally offgrid or just, you know, don’t you want to modify it? Just offgrid i was offgrid and it felt luxurious. I lost track of time. There were there were blocks of ours, ours strolling by with my ties on drum punches. And i did not know what time it was the only reason i had to ask people. And i’d asked me because i kept my phone in my room the whole time. Ah, it zoho i wouldn’t show up for late, late for lunch and dinner breakfast. I was on track, but that, you know so my advice can you get a vacation where you’re not only napping? You’ve heard me talk about the beneficial impact of naps, but when you actually when you lose track of time one of those, what time is it? Vacations or a piece of vacation where you just you’re unconnected and you don’t even know what time it is. Okay, that’s, my video is from st thomas and it’s at tony martignetti dot com. Now, let’s, go back to joe garrett and you’re online e-giving plan. Thank you, joe garrett, um, i need to be here before you were really, really glad now, you just now now, it’s, not so much anymore. Just clouds the middle of the show. We’ll get her energy back-up oh, jeez, you’re in a slump. Cutting mike off. I’ll tap dance myself. I got i got playing giving god again gush with plan giving for all right. You’re not in a slump. I know you’re not, um by way you got a nice radio voice like you got a basic kind of voice. Thank you. Yeah. Um, how about should we that’s? Just something that i’ve talked to guess about? And i’ve heard different philosophies. What about converting online donors too? Latto offline donors, first of all, should we mean with all the things that you and you’ve just said should we be? And then if you think we should, i’m not. I’m not suggesting that’s what? One answer or another. But if you do think we should how do we do that? Let’s, start with that threshold question. Should we even be thinking about doing that, right? Yeah, i do think that you should try and convert all flight vote. Well, let me let me go online online to all i would like to offer you. Yeah. You you should be trying to move those online donors who won tohave offline contact with your non-profit to offline status. Now, there’s. A reason for that is because you have muchmore there’s much more ability to cultivate and steward those donors in a more personal fashion. If they’re offline, donors, very rarely will will a one hundred percent online donor moved from small gift to major gift to plan gift all online without ever talking to people face to face her on the phone or at an event with your non-profit and so i find that it’s, beneficial for the move donors over took to be offline donors, but again, ok, only if they want to move over because not everything. There are plenty of donors today who like a little bit of anonymity, who like a little bit who liked who liked to make those donations online, who like to read your email newsletter, look atyou on social media, but not have that personal that more personal touch, so my suggestion would be yes, now the trick really is to moving your online donors offline. Is tio seat as a system? You know you need to build a lot of non-profits crying kind of haphazardly one off, like they’ll do the price. A certain tactic to move those donors offline, maybe it’s doing some well screening and doing some calls or sending out some snail mail letters and and then it will work or it won’t work. And then, though, so it’ll be discontented and they’ll move on to something else. If you want to move your offline, don’t order. Online donors offline you need to put a strategy behind it, and you need to treat it like you do kind of direct mail prospecting or other other real measurable types of fund-raising you need to measure what you’re doing and see if it’s working and if it’s not working, then you know, try something else, but you need to you need to put a system behind what what suggestions have you got for for it, including our system? Sure. Well, there’s really? Two the two primary ways that non-profits trying move online donors offline our events and mail. So, you know there’s there’s non-profits that have success, particularly if most of their donors are local, you know, in a certain region or certain metropolitan area with having donorsearch collectibe ation events were donorsearch dank u events or larger types of types of events, or a regular system of cultivation tours of the facility, things like that, and they invite their online donors. Teo, come and connect through those types of events. Obviously the vast majority of the donors are not going to do that, but the ones who do are weeding themselves out for you there segmenting themselves for you they’re kind of raising their hand and saying, i’m super committed because i’m willing to come teo to a tour of the facility, even if it’s building is a donor thank you. Event that’s an actual investment time and energy on the other the other way that non-profits try and move online donors offline is male. You know, they try and do a do a mailing fund-raising mailing that converts some of those donors to essentially male donors, and then they try and move the donors up with line that way through a traditional capacity screening and, you know, male donor engagement strategy to move, though toe move up, move the donor’s through the funnel who have the capacity to give mohr. I’ve seen non-profit set up six have had success with both strategies. Teo do the event strategy. Obviously, most of your donors have to be local. My suggestion is to test both of them to test both of those strategies, and certainly, if you have wealth screening tools there you can. You can bring those into play and the other, frankly, the other riel indicator of an online donor. Is the number of the amount of engagement they have with your non-profit how many times do they donate online? How many times today, you know, respond open your e mails, how many times today engage with you on social media? Those are the type of metrics that show that there really engaged with your non-profit online and maybe ripe for moving off line or even moving to another level of online giving, like monthly giving entering that recurring credit card doing occurring right, an example of that, it could be an example of a hybrid between online offline depending how you structure your campaign is giving tuesday you are do i have it right? Are you e-giving tuesday denier? I am ok, i want to give. Okay, i want to give one to give voice to that we’ve had folks on from ninety second street y and in fact, this year i’m going to try to have ah to like one in may and one later, closer to the event, but i want to give voice to the to the denier, deny your camp what’s your opinion of giving tuesday. Sure. Well, i’m a big fan of giving days. For non-profits i’ve i’ve seen a lot of success with e-giving days that air run specifically for a non-profit for a particular non-profit i’m a big fan of crowdfunding in peer-to-peer campaigns online, what i’m not a fan of is particularly and and the non-profits i work with are particularly small and on the small size of side of mid sized non-profits i’m not a fan of them using what are very limited resource is for those organizations on giving tuesday because of the sheer volume of communications and fund-raising campaigns that are going on around that day, i would rather them take all the tools that they would normally use to run a successful giving tuesday campaign, which, as we all know as i’m sure, the folks who have had on who have been successful with that, i’ve told you, it’s more than just a day, right? A lot of prep work that goes into a successful giving tuesday for sure, and i’d rather than take that and move it over to e-giving day, just for their non-profit where there, what? They don’t have to compete with all of the many messages that their donors are getting, i don’t know if you’re like me, you probably are because you’re in the industry, i, you know, on giving tuesday and the days before leading up to it, i get i mean, dozens of e mails from non-profits about giving tuesday social media is packed with messages about giving tuesday and, you know, there’s two sides to argument, of course, that that buzz is going to boost it is going to raise all the ships that, well, that’s a mixed metaphor. Yeah, but you get, you know, you know what i mean? Yeah, right. That’s the argument and for me, for the organization’s i’ve worked with who have done giving tuesday, i’ve found that the amount of time number your number of staff hours that go into rising above the noise, or getting to a certain level with your donors, with awareness for your non-profit for a small non-profit that that number of hours would be better put into other fund-raising methods and moving the e-giving the e-giving daito, another day away from giving tuesday so that’s kind of my take on it. Okay, good on jeez, that was that was that was quite a mixed metaphor, but buzz raising ships. But what did you come up with this nonsense? If i had an intern that we we do? I mean, it’s not like anybody writing this it’s just all for mei apologize. Um, okay, you mentioned crowdfunding menu. We were sort of following the same sequence you like you like crowd? Well, wait, before we get to the generic crowdfunding. So what would you like to see people do on? Give me some client examples, perhaps if you like, of their own individual giving day? Sure way. You know, we have organizations that i’ve worked with where, instead of, you know, instead of doing on giving tuesday, we need we pick a day that makes sense with the organizations with their editorial counter with their market encounter with their fund-raising calendar where we name that day for that organization. You know, we call, you know, maybe it’s april third is, you know, killing off your children’s alliance day or that’s very presumption we stop that’s that’s very presumptuous of your client’s, isn’t it? You got it. You got to get out there and shake it up. You don’t have you don’t have a mayoral proclamation or anything like that, you’re just doing it on your own. It’s a great idea. We haven’t done that yet. But that’s a great idea. Yeah. Get the mouth that the mayor of philadelphia behind you. Yeah, yeah. So we we name that as our day, and we build a campaign message behind that day. And we just as with e-giving tuesday or with a with an online crowdfunding campaign, we set a goal for that day with a riel hans will outcome for that goal. You know, we say something like we want to raise twenty five thousand dollars on speak up day because we want to do x y and z we want to provide this number of scholarships or we want toe, you know, provide this number of warm meals, you know, hot meals to the homeless, and then we do all the normal things to build up to that day we put i like to put a committee behind it of people who, just as i will with a crowdfunding campaign. People who are commit to not only give that day right in the morning to show some to show some traction, but also who commit throughout the day send out an e mail to their network to be active on social media to really try and help us push it. Then we do a sequence of emails to our tow, our newsletter listeningto our donor base to prepare them for this day so that by the time the day comes around and we hit, send on the on the email that isa announcing that the day is now open, people are expecting it. People know that it’s coming, they’ve at least heard of it. And then, well, then we’re very active throughout the day. It’s, a one day crowdfunding campaign just like e-giving just like you’re giving tuesday. Sure effort is essentially a one day crowdfunding campaign except here, hopefully and that, you know, it’s not always caves, but hopefully really the only massive fund-raising messages that your donors are getting in the email and their email on social media and things that day are primarily from your non-profit yeah, it’s, your it’s your day. All right, i got it. It’s presumptions, but bold. You’ve gotta be bold, but you gotta you gotta be out there. Okay. Um, what about what about the blog’s we’re talking about online? Ah, let’s. See? You know what? I’m going to let you ruminate on that topic for a minute while i take our last break. Okay, okay. Tell us. Credit card, payment processing. Check out the video it’s at tony dot m a slash tony tell us goes through the process of businesses switching to tell us and remember how you are going to get fifty percent of telesis revenue. That’s passive revenue for you each month. You thought i was just i had lunch friendly. We’re talking about passive revenue, you know, into into retirement way. Get passive revenue some he he rents hubei’s properties and rinse them. I pay rent so i don’t have passed a revenue. But no, i don’t pay rent. Um, but you pass a revenue it’s a it’s. A good thing. You know what it means, right? It means you’re not working for every dollar. It’s just coming that’s it just comes and it comes routinely. That’s what happens a cz long is the businesses with tell us for credit card processing you’re going to get fifty percent of what tell us earns from that business times the number of businesses that you think of in your community ah, there’s a hundred percent satisfaction rate among among their non-profits and the businesses that are referred to them. Remember, if teller’s can’t save them any money, then you are going to get two hundred fifty dollars. But that’s, the that’s, the short term and that’s a short play. You don’t really want that, it’s. Not likely because tell us is probably is going to save the money. Otherwise, you’ll be writing a lot of twenty fifty dollars checks. Right? So you don’t want the short money. You want the passive revenue indefinite that long tail. Tony dot m a slash tony tello’s. Check out the video now, let’s, go back to joe garrick and wrap up with your online giving plan. Okay, so what homework did i give you? What did i just ask you to ruminate about? Do you remember what let’s talk about block? There we go. Yes. Much better than i am. I know, i know. Okay, uh, should we have a block to it? Is it is it essential anymore to have a blogger? Well, so in my mind, having a quote unquote blogged is not essential. It can be. It can be an important part of what you do but it’s not essential to have a separate page our link on your site necessary that says block what is important, whether it’s through your block, which is probably the easiest way to do this or through your sight as a whole. It’s important to have your your sight be updated regularly and to be something that makes donors want to come visit fresh, fresh content, right fresh content. Yet most non-profits have essentially a static brochure up with a donate now button and you know if they’re advanced, maybe they have a video at a newsletter sign up box, but it doesn’t change, and i always come non-profits your website can be in a really, really crucial part of your cultivation and stewardship stress, but it’s only important it’s the hub, right? If the hub is where the heart is weak, then the spokes are going to loose. Exactly exactly people don’t think that your website is that metaphor that was that was a that was a good metaphor. I’m sorry, but that was an example of a good metaphor. If they don’t think it’s informative or entertaining or, you know, compelling, they’re not going to visit it, and then it doesn’t work. So one of the mean, the easiest way to keep fresh content up on your website is a blogger there’s nothing. I hate more hearing more from non-profits then when a fundraiser says something like while we can update our own website, right, we’ve gotta get our web design team where we got that that’s crazy. You mean that there was a time when if you’re one of your website, to look nice, you had to do that, you had a have you had to make it such that you couldn’t update it yourself, but with all the modern back ends like wordpress that are available, there’s no reason that someone at your non-profit can’t go onto that website once a week or every other week or once a month and post something new and there’s a ton of things you can post there’s donorsearch stories and staff stories and clients, stories and things about your mission and things about your outcomes, things about events coming up and, you know, there’s, you know, thought leadership pieces. There is no end to the amount of things you can put up there. And what stops non-profits from doing that is they think that they have to write essentially a white paper or, you know, a master species every time they post something, they’re worried that they have to be fifteen hundred words and footnoted and it three hundred, four hundred, five hundred words up on your website that’s compelling that’s decently written that you mean, frankly, we talked about george, and earlier in the show that three of jargon that’s, you know, not technical that’s written at that sixth or seventh grade level that’s just up there that’s information, you know, informative or entertaining that gives donors a reason to at least check your website occasionally and that’s what you want. You want to give him a reason to keep coming back, so i’m a big proponent of like you said tony, fresh content up on that web site on a regular basis? What if we are hearing joe garrett say, oh, my god, three hundred, four hundred, five hundred words, i don’t i don’t i don’t think i have the time to come up, even with the low end of that three hundred. Well, i’m thinking about hiring, uh, what about what about outsourcing? Some of this what’s your opinion of getting an outsider tio provide that fresh content for you? And maybe maybe that’s not even on ly blogged, but could be facebook, twitter, your corporate page on linkedin, instagram, etcetera? Yeah, and you and you certainly can do that they’re you know, they’re certainly plenty of vendors out there we’re going to do that free it’s still going to require your time because what you don’t want to do is have a vendor who’s putting up kottler who’s, sending your content that that essentially could apply to any non-profit that sometimes what happens, right? We we get content from the outside from an outside vendor, and really, if you change this non-profit name out, it could applied any non-profit or it’s basically just rewording your case for support over and over again, or something like that in orderto and and i don’t want to suggest that that the way all vendors operate, but if you’re going to really get great content from an outside writer there going to be great at writing, they’re going to try and immerse themselves in your non-profits mission and what you do, but no. Matter what you do, they’re still going to need you to tell them about your latest outcomes your new programs you were you were, you know, help you collect your help them collect omer stories, clients, stories, things like that. So i would say, you know, if you’re if you’re thinking about, for instance, starting a block and you’re really, really concerned about the amount of time it’s going to take, i would say start from the real real low and meaning try and make a commitment that once per month just once per month, you’re going to come up with three hundred words right? On three hundred words less, which is less than a, you know, eight and a half by eleven piece of paper of one sheet that you’re going to come up with three hundred words to put up on your on your website and then then see how it goes if that works that maybe you could expand it a little bit if that’s not working. If you find that you don’t have the time in the band with, then investigate, you know, outsourcing it, but i would i would suggest, given it a shot first. And realizing again, it does not have to be we’re not talking about something that has to be perfect, it doesn’t have to be the greatest story in the world. In many cases, it just has to be something that goes up there that at least somewhat compelling to your donors and supporters. Another possibility for content is curating the content of others that’s that’s related to your mission or related to your community, you know? Ah, you know what interests your constituents, you know, you confined content from other people and, you know, call it a round up, i say we found on the found on the web and list the board, you know, bullet with links to, like, two to two or three things and there’s a lot of great content out there from others that you can use to supplement your own right. That’s exactly, i mean, and you’re right, there’s a lot of great content from from other people there’s also a lot of internal resource is that might be willing to provide content. Now, obviously, as a fundraiser, you don’t want to be in a position where you’re loading work onto the program’s staff, but you may have program folks who are excellent at writing about their experiences in the trenches that’s a green, compelling piece of content you may have boardmember who loved to write and who would love nothing more than to write a write an article where to interview a donor or two, you know, given explanation, you know, provide a provide a story about a kn event that you held that they attended. So there are a lot of ways where, you know, you’re looking for essentially, at a minimum twelve pieces of content a year, and if you can farm some of that out, then maybe you as a fundraiser are only writing a piece every other month or every third month because you have other re sources that are helping you create that content and ah, perfect example, tony, is what you said, which is to around up, post or a top ten, you know, top ten tips post, you know, if your if your organization that’s working in, you know, in healthcare non-profit maybe you’ve got a tip post you can post about how people can stay healthy in a certain respect so there’s a lot of different ways to go about it. You have ideas around personalized video for cultivation. Now we just have about two minutes left, joe garrick so you know you, teo constrain yourself, but what advice do you have around personalized video, right? So one of the new ideas one of the more innovative ideas that i’ve that we’ve used and that i love, is using personalized videos to stewart and cultivate, particularly stuart, you were mid level donorsearch if their donors out there who were giving it a level where he would like to offer them more cultivation, but you don’t have the time or and it doesn’t make sense, go out, meet with them. One thing, some non-profits air doing is a development director or a board number will sit in front of the computer and record thirty second videos using the donor’s name, personalizing it to their gift, thanking them for their gift and then emailing it out to them and it’s a way that you could do personalize stewardship. You can do, you know, fifteen or twenty of these videos in an hour and send them all out in the same amount of time it would take to meet. With one donor. Awesome. You did that in just one minute. Okay. Okay. Andi, you have clients doing that successfully? Yes. Yeah, very successfully. And and donors tender. I mean right now, it’s kind of new nobody, not many organizations. They’re doing it. So right now, i would say get double. In fact, in fact, we’ve had clients where significant a not insignificant number of donors actually call. Call the person who sends them the video to say how much they liked. The video, you know, leads to a whole different level of interaction. Not surprised. Awesome. That’s a great tip. Toe end on he’s. Joe garrett, president of garrett fund-raising associates, garrick dot com. And at joe garret joe garrett. Thank you. So, so much. Thanks for sharing. You bet. Thanks, tony. My pleasure. Next week, build your grantmaker relationships. If you missed any part of today’s show, i’d be seat. 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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host it’s ground hog day. Thanks, tony fail emerges and gives us his prediction for winter today also, this is show number three hundred seventy five on our way to four hundred, which will be in july three seventy five today we have a new affiliate station w c r s fm, columbus, ohio central ohio’s community radio station at ninety two point seven and ninety eight point three fm welcome to the affiliate family w c r s so glad to have you affections to those affiliate listeners. I’m glad you’re with me. I’d be thrown into a pure a phobia if you told me that forever after and eternity you’d miss today’s, show your donor experience. What are you putting your donor’s through? How do they feel about it? What can you do to make it better? Brian lauterbach is with networks for good and he walks us through what works. Tony’s take two, know when to pull out. We’re sponsored by pursuant full service fund-raising data driven and technology enabled tony dahna slash pursuant radio and by wagner cpas guiding you beyond the numbers regular sepa is dot com tell us turning credit card processing into your passive revenue stream. Tony dahna slash tony tell us it’s my pleasure to welcome brian latto back to the show. He is vice president of programs, impact and sustainability that’s, a big portfolio at network for good. Leading a national team of consultants, he’s worked as a professional fundraiser and consultant for a hundred plus non-profits over twenty years, he’s talked fund-raising and non-profit management at george washington university, indiana university and wayne state university. Midwestern boy he’s at b r lauterbach. They’re at network for good dot com, where f l r is spelled out, and they’re at network for good, where number four is the arabic number. You don’t don’t use the roman numeral four, because then you’d be doing network ivy. Good, don’t do that. Use the arabic number four. Welcome brian latto back buy-in brian. Brian latto box. Okay, we don’t have brian. Hopefully he will call back in, but we also have in the studio lisa bonano, who is vice president of digital marketing for network fur. Good. And she and i will chat while, uh well, brian, hopefully calls back called back. Welcome. Thanks. Thanks for having us welcome. Thanks for being in the studio. Absolutely ghastly. I love that corporate us, your your team. Even though brian is not with us in spirit, you’re you bring him in by the problem. You’re all you’re all you’re all with us. Ok? Do we have brian back? Sam? No. Okay, um, we’re talking about dahna experience. You’re on the way. We thought it was going to brian toe open, but you’re the opener. Okay, i’ll take it so donorsearch spear ian ce uh, what were we talking about? So dinner experience is an interesting topic for us because we see so much commentary around consumer experience. Many reports many sets of thought leadership pieces and everyone in the consumer space is trying to understand why customer experience is so important. And now that everyone is on board with why now, it’s everyone’s trying to figure out the how so for us and i work for good, you know, we’re providers of donorsearch software we’re constantly thinking about how can we improve the donor experience for our non-profit customer? Okay? And we can learn from the customer experience on the corporate side exact. Hopefully you and brian. Well, we will be talking about not hopefully. Okay, let’s, try again, brian. You with us? I am. Excellent. There’s a nice, strong voice. Did you hear that wonderful introduction i gave you? I didn’t, didn’t. Okay, well, but i felt it from the cold hundred. Columbus. Ok. Ok. Well, first of all, you’re in columbus, ohio, where you didn’t hear that we have a brand new affiliate station in columbus, the u c r s fm joining us, joining us this week. First time that’s. Wonderful. Now is if i would have known that and i want to go, i would have yeah, they’re they’re not with us live though they know that’s very ambitious. It would have been cool. Yeah, they were on their schedule on thursdays at four p m they leave us in so that the filling station they’re not live, but now so columbus is columbus, you’re home. No, columbus is a inconvenient layover route from chicago. Okay, against the good buckeye people, but i’m just saying that. Yeah, and unforeseen way, les, thanks to the airline with nevertheless, here we are. Yeah. No, no, we’re yeah, i know we’re going to focus on the transit for a little bit. Don’t worry. We’ll get we’ll get to dahna experience there’s plenty of time together. So you were originating from where? Today? From chicago. Okay. And then there was a connecting flight that got delayed. Is that right? That what happened? Delayed, then cancelled on dh. Yeah, and then re booked for later time. I understand. And it wasn’t going to get you here in time. Okay? Don’t you know, they have to delay before they re book. You really? I mean, they have to delay before they cancel. You realize that, right? We have to be led on buy-in fifteen or twenty minute increments, and then then they’ll give you the ultimate the cancellation, which you are all you know, anticipating as you were being led on thinking, oh, fifteen or twenty minutes. But if you travel enough, it sounds like you do. You knew that you were just being led on it’s just a matter of time before they cancel. Absolutely. Did you hear lisa give a very cogent introduction tio to a donor experience? Did you hear that or no, i did. Yes, okay, always does. Okay, s o ah, anything you want to you want to add in the sort of overviewing we have a full hour together, obviously to go into details, but i thought you’d like to add to the overview of dahna experience, i think i think, you know, beyond the obvious and what networks for good is doing with technology and software and services for, you know, the one hundred twenty five thousand organizations that we touch each year. What we’ve been talking a lot internally about is how do we operationalize this donorsearch experience, but and from a top level, what we’re talking about is this concept of subscription giving the idea that, you know, not unlike content marketing description giving is what we’re what we’re discussing and how we can align information and inspirational content with the non-profit stakeholders to really engage them, not only just leading up to a gift, but what happens. After that gift is made because, as we all know where now the listeners know that you know, donorsearch retention certainly is something that we all should focus on habitually, but now coming up for air after giving tuesday in year, and we have to really think about it from the donor’s perspective, what is it that we can provide them and an ongoing and cost effective basis that wilkie remind them about not only what they did but the value and impact that it has not just about a fundraising goal, but really about the programmatic impact that it creates for the organisation that this donorsearch invested in? Okay, okay, there’s a lot in there, we’re going to have we have the hour to unpack it, and when we come back from this break, which i’m about to teo, enter, then we’ll get to this idea of the experience and howto had a planet for for your for your donors. So stay with us while we take this break. 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And so brian let’s let’s do what i what i pledged, how do you how do you think through this? In terms of a and you’re you’re you’re in a small midsize non-profit how do u plan what this donor experiences spectrum of activities and contacts and communications is going to look like? Yeah, i think first, what we have to do a small, emerging and midsize non-profits is embrace the reality that just because we’re tax exempt doesn’t mean we’re tech exempt the idea that because of our budget size, we can ignore the consumer behavior of companies like netflix and apple and google, and what they created and really institutionalized could not be further from the truth, of course, as small non-profits we have to figure out a way to replicate some of those things and embrace that consumer behavior that stage appropriate with are, you know, staff or lack thereof and certainly budget in time, our most precious asset. But it really begins with an understanding that you, as are we as a nonprofit organization or is a sector, cannot just be the lagging adopters of how to create an experience for not our consumers but our donors. And because those same consumers that are buying things on amazon subscribing the netflix, i’m getting new information about their movies and tv shows. Well, those guys are also our donors as well. So the idea that we can have this incongruous experience because, well, we’re a non profit organisation, could not. Be further from the reality. Yeah, we don’t like that. Yeah, yeah. That’s zoho that’s kind of a, you know, sort of a poverty mentality. We don’t mean it like that, right? I got to do something. Yeah. What about s o z explosive labbate what can we learn specifically from these high touch cos that you’re mentioning netflix, amazon were all engaged with them. We’re all getting their emails. We what? What? What specifically could be a couple of takeaways that that we can weaken gleaned from the corporate side? Yeah, the biggest thing i would think you know, whether you’re subscribing to a software or buying sweater or dog food online, the idea is what these companies do very well and what we was sector would be well served to embrace, let alone with our replicator. Is that the idea that when you buy something, these companies not only continue to remind you why you bought it and the value of that purchase, but they also want to make sure that you are satisfied with that purchase. So you will buy mohr by again. Upgrade your subscription. So the idea that you can buy something and the transaction is complete. Well, that may be true, but the relationship is just beginning. And so what? I think some of these, you know, larger companies, as you said, tony, all of us are kind of plugged into as consumers and buyers, we need to think about why they create this continuum of contact and activity and what i love about it. Most of them, especially my favorite, is netflix because they aren’t intrusive about their ongoing engagement. I get an email, i mean, sure, i’m sure it’s timed and based upon data and when they know i oktay now, but my point is that i always opened that because i get no more than two females a month from netflix that, you know, is highly visually engaging, low on written content and compels me to take an action which is, you know, watch this new show that that’s like the other show that you have been watching so it’s almost there, almost helping me use their product and exploit the functionality of you know, i get thes e mails, i get them from mm, hbo, i have their ah, hbo. Now i get them from amazon prime. I get them. From land’s end, you know, and i’m i’m in fact, i think i’m wearing a lance and sweater. Lisa, this is the lands and mock turtle. Thank you very much. Oh, yeah, she just said it was your mike on when she said looks great. So again, you look great. Thank you very much. Your lands and very well, ok keeper mike on way like her. Yeah, keeping michael um yeah, so, you know, and i’m a i mean, you know, i get thes e mails, and i sometimes i’m amazed at how interested i am in them voice is cracking like a thirteen year old interested, you know how often i read them? It’s it’s um, sometimes i sit back and, you know, it was like the fourth email this week, you know, from land’s end and i’m still opening it and reading the things and saying the same thing with the with the media ones i get because, well, you know, there was a sense of incredibly words help you do that because you were happy with your purchase and you you were made to feel good. You you, you you like wearing that sweater, and so you’re open to getting mohr information from in this case, land’s end because, um, you jump through the hoop and they jumped through yours well, and as you per said there, reminding me of the value i get and the satisfaction i get, you know, definitely worded communications. Lisa yeah, i wouldn’t pick up on some of that brian had had thrown out there about the word relationship, so even though we’re not using the word relationship that’s really what we’re describing here, right through these emails, through these touches they are, you know, in their their marketing code, building this relationship with you, unbeknownst to you right through through all these different communications and how they’re inviting brian to try a new a new piece of content or listened to a podcast or watch a movie and i think that’s one of the things we’re recognizing there’s only one podcast that people should be listening to and it’s this one it’s twenty martignetti non-profit in case you were confused, yes, in case there’s, any questions? So, you know, i know there are hundreds of thousands, but this should be when you’re down, you should be at the top. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, our our donors or definitely thinking about how do i build that relationship? I’m sorry, non-profits or thinking about how do i build that relationship with thes donor is much like on the consumer side, and i think the interesting new wrench in, um and the cycle is and i love for for, for brian even talk more about this guy he’s a lot of thoughts on this is that you have these new entrance, these new platforms, which you’re making it extremely easy for everyone to collect donors and b i’m sorry collectibe nations and be kind of fun raisers on behalf of non-profits they can set up a fundraising page very quickly for the causes that they love and invite all of their network of community in teo to make a donation on the b on behalf of the non-profit and then on the experience is so important, you know, teo, to reinforce, you know, the what what lisa just outlined for us is that you’re not going to get people to become committed advocates to your organization just by virtue of facilitating a filling provoc transact, you have to create a qualitative experience that reinforces not only the value of what they did, but the impact that it has, and when they can connect those two things value it, impact they they’re going to want to fly their flag, so to speak alongside yours and tell everyone that they court this organization, they’re proud of that. But then, as lisa suggested, they take that first and next action in terms of non-profit ask assi and start to do something for you on and on helping you raise money and spread awareness are two of the easiest things that certainly technology enables, but are the natural next thing’s a happy and committed donor for ought to do for your organization? I’d like to think this transactional mentality is a thing of the past, you know, and should be anachronistic by now, but but i think that a lot of non-profits it’s not, you know, they i feel like we got a gift and we’ll say thank you, and we’ll come back in the next cycle, whatever our next campaign is or what, whatever our next need is and that’s that’s antithetical to everything that you’re saying this transactional mentality needs to be a relationship mentality. Lisa, you know, at least we know we’re talking about relationships you need i mean, you wouldn’t just invite your parents over for thanksgiving dinner and then not talk to them again until christmas, you know, because that’s, your next campaign is to get them to come for christmas dinner. Oh, you know, maybe you should be going to them if you don’t have children, you should be going to them because you’re more mobile, but anyway, you know, so too much detail, but, yeah, i’m getting it, and we’re going to end up being my therapist by the end of this. And but, you know, in all fairness to the small organization and the chief, everything officer is out there that runs that you know, what it takes is blocking, tackling some time in your schedule to be able to not only think about or created experience, but deliver on it, it needs to be stage appropriate and aligned with your, you know, your constraints, not just your limited resources and, you know, as those small and even side’s non-profit organizations think about how to create that experience, well, they really need to think about the tools that they used there’s more and more options out there that can that can create, you know, automated e mails, autumn and automated tech messages that some of stuff that we do it now for good kind of the the phrase that lisa uses a lot, you know, when talking about this internally is, you know, set it and forget it, not that not forget it, because it’s not important, but you designed this experience and operationalized deployed with technology, and then you can evaluate it and make sure the metrics are lining with some of your bigger goals, not not necessarily financial but relationship goals and bridle the idea that your small non-profit that you can’t do this, you can’t afford not not this longer. And, you know, i know there’s, you know, some purists and traditionalists think about giving tuesday as this one and done phenomena. Well, maybe sometimes it is, but it doesn’t have to be, and it shouldn’t be because the number one thing that when i talked to, uh, non-profits throughout the country is that they’re they’re so focused on the ask and getting that done and getting it out, they forget that the ask or getting that gift is the first step in a series of many steps that you need to not only create an experience, but two to begin a relationship. Brian zoho i was just in north carolina earlier this week talking about two hundred non-profits and all these town halls and learned that not many of them has have even had the opportunity two thank all they’re giving tuesday donors and their december thirty first donor. And so but what? We need to understand that thanking someone for a gift does not inexperienced create yeah, okay, that’s a irs compliance thing, you know, thank you for your tax deductible give no good services were exchanged, blah, blah, blah, but and that isn’t the achievement. The achievement is what’s next, how do you communicate what they did and how and why, how it creates impact for the organization? Okay, let’s, let’s, start diving into some detail now, i think we’ve spent enough time with the motivation can we can we agree that segmentation of your your donor community is essential to a za basis of what we’re talking about? Being able to do without a doubt? Ok, but it depends on how well we’re going to get you up. So what? What should we be? What should be be segmenting by what? What? What do we want to learn from from the transaction that will help us in the really build the relationship? Yeah, so i would say, you know what? How did the gift come to you? Right? So not so much the channel. Like, was it online or in the mail, but rather what was the vehicle that compelled someone to give? And so, you know, in a in a very basic construct of segmentation, you know, a non donor-centric attendee versus a donor, someone that has current or last giving history, those air three distinct segments that all has nuanced, uh, information metoo and so a cz well, as you know, the business or the foundation, because what often happens thiss time of year when people think about you no acknowledgement letters, it’s, basically, they dump all the data into the spreadsheet, or if there are hopefully some sort of donor management system, uh and then spit out the receipts and it’s this monolithic message that doesn’t doesn’t acknowledge why someone are from where someone case, because i think all of this, as practitioners would agree that someone who came to an event that you hosted versus someone that gave on giving tuesday had a different point of entry experience with your organization and air go needs to be that needs to be acknowledged and dumping them all into one funnel and hoping for the best isn’t going to do that isn’t going to do the job, okay, so we’re looking at segmenting by, you know, we want to learn what the person gave to ah programmatically, basically where they came from, right? How did they find us and what they’re what their interests are, perhaps beyond what they gave to sew that so that we can we can focus our communications to them a marry my lisa, my on the right amount, right track? You’re exactly right. I s exactly right, not even just the right track for the needle a little bit more say, you know, we kind of talked about how there’s so many parallels obviously i’m head of marketing so there’s, so many parallels in what would you do on the marketing on the for-profit side and what we’re encouraging non-profits to do when it comes. To dahna retain retention, you know their revenue line is thes these donors making making contributions? Ditigal must think like, how do i get that recurring? How do i create the subscription model? How do i get in front of these donors and connect to them in the way they want to be connected? Teo much like how brian said he loves being connected that twice twice a month cadence with a with a message about what toe reader or watch next so it’s knowing why that donor is giving to you what is drawing to them, drawing them to your organization that you can then capitalize on was it that specific program that you’re offering to teo, you know, malnourished children? Is that the program you’re offering over here to do to do this, that the other knowing what’s drawing them and connecting them to your organization is literally the foundation for building that relationship and ultimately building community and look at the corporate analogies that we were talking about earlier, you know, why is amazon stock at twelve hundred dollars a share and continuing to grow? Because you know the messages we get from them? Well, other people who into interested in what you purchased were interested in these other things also related connecting point related to yes, real connection to what drew you in you might also be interesting these things so the analog we have these other programs that may be of interest to you because of what you gave to last year, that zaveri basic, but that right and that’s, why segmenting and having having a tool at your disposal so you can segment those donors in a line likes with likes to say the’s owners all came in because they care about this type of program and that’s what they’re that’s their connection to this non-profit versus this segment that might have a different reason, a different draw to the non-profit that that allows a non-profit to message very specifically and deliberately to those segments in a more congress, in and measured way. And so often, i mean, brian knows is even better than the most so often when you talk to non-profits they barely have the infrastructure that they need to support the bare basics, like he was saying thank you for your donation is not even like it’s, not even a step. Up from from the bare basics of building that community and those relationships, brian, anything you want to add? Yeah, i think the other thing is, while segmentation is optimal, consistency is essential. And ah, you know, if an organization has the capacity and the wherewithal of technology to do some basic segment, by all means, my gosh, do it because it improves results, but for those that can’t you got to put a stake in the ground and at least create an experience that presumes that organization or excuse me donorsearch port your organization not because they wanted a tax receipt, but because they care about what you do. You know, i think what non-profits really need to think hard and long about is this, you know, that i believe donors don’t give to hear organization they give through it. And as soon as you embrace that, this idea that donors are outsourcing their desire for public good and impact in their community, teo you the non-profit because you’re set up to do it, that suddenly changes the paradigm and should change the communication dynamic to one of thank you to one of accountability and ongoing accountability. Okay, so that’s a no that’s your your message you’re suggesting consistency? Yeah, murcott consistency makes things easier to measure if you have apples to apples. If you’re creating the same experience for every donor let’s say that gives online, you know that they’re gonna receive one two and three at these intervals, then you khun then if you implement that with consistency, you khun start to measure its efficacy. 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Now what we’re talking about, you could just have to watch the video to get to learn see what got me thinking, but you don’t want to pull a push a bad position with a donor if if this if the if the signals are negative, you know they’re not returning your calls they give, but they give considerably less than you’re always asking. They’re not turning out for events despite repeated invitations. These air all signals that it’s a bad relationship. It’s. Well, it’s it’s, not a growing relationship, and you need to spend your valuable time cultivating. Face-to-face you know, this is your face-to-face cultivation time, someone who’s going to be more forthcoming for you. There are other ways to cultivate the donors that are not forthcoming, but in terms of your face-to-face relationship, you know, major gift time, you have to move on when when this the signals are negative from your donors and that is tony’s take two now, let’s, go back, teo well, before we go back to brian, we’ve got to do the live listener love, and we have lots of live listeners live listener loves going out tio tacoma, washington, say los angeles, california, woonsocket, rhode island, new york, new york multiple we got multiple new york, new york woodbridge, woodbridge i told you, you have to identify yourself, you’re you’re upsetting me. Woodbridge, new jersey. You’re so consistent listening. I want to know who you are. Please, please. I’m gonna stop shutting you out now. I wouldn’t do that. But the live lister love is going out to woodbridge in jersey. Yes. Tampa, florida. Uh, let’s. Go abroad, germany. Good dog, orilla canada. Is it? 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Now, let’s, go back to buy-in brian latto back and lisa padano talking about your donor experience. Okay, brian, anything else you can flush out detail wise about consistency, the consistency in those messaging? Yeah, i think it comes down to what it is that you’re going to measure because you know the old adage you can’t manage what you can’t measure, so you know, some of the things while obviously, the ultimate goal is to get a second gift or renewal at the time of an appeal. But you know, some of things that you need to be looking at under the hood to inform or you have to inform whether or not your experience is a good one is you gotta look at open rates, you gotta look at, click through rate and shares on social media, and my experience has been that, you know, there are so many digital tools out there that you can use to operationalize, let alone create your donor experience. But for those of us that our resource constraints you know, i think the basic donorsearch panitch mint system that can help you deploy emails but then also integrates ah, your facebook and your website. If you could make those things work, you’re going to be able to make a donor experience work. But the key thing as we talked about before the break is you have to be able to measure it, and measurement means consistent execution, and this is something that should be thought through. This donor experience by the organization, and not necessarily just the talent and tenacity of the fundraiser that’s employed by the organization. Okay, you know what, brian? Hold on, you know, it’s exactly right? I mean, i’m thinking about all the different calculators that not network for good has to literally walk a non-profit through the different metrics they should be thinking about, they’re donorsearch tension rate, their return on investment, if they’re spending certain amount of money on on a particular campaign, what is it bringing in? So we have we have brought kind of forward these metrics that they’re not intuitive to non-profits to say these air something’s, the highest level you should be paying attention to and then from that you can and they okay, how do i actually operationalize it into my non-profit brian’s, exactly, right? This is not a fundraisers problem to be solved it so isolating when non-profit seeing the way it is a non-profits problem to solve how do we operationally think about the money we need to bring in to support the programs you wantto we want to serve and that and carry out our mission? So bye by knowing what we’re doing so, it’s not just spaghetti up on the wall, let’s see what sticks thinking, you know, count, count, count, let six and be like, oh, yeah, we got ten threads upon the wall versus for the last time. So knowing what you’re aiming for being more more targeted with that segmentation being consistent and thought and and measurement you can only win, give me an idea of some of the things that we should analytics that we should be looking at. Yeah, there are a few, you know, i mentioned dahna retention rate. So how many of your donors are coming back repeatedly your year after year? Or ask after ask you want to be looking at your return on campaigns of your spending a certain amount of money for a direct mail drop? How much are you getting in return? Is it above a dollar? You know, you pay a dollar, get a dollar, you’re at least break even. You’re not you’re not losing money so there’s air, you know, to at the highest level. And then there were other ones, like brian was mentioning even a click through rate. You know how many of your e mails are going through what’s the hygiene of your of your donor list, you know, are you sending emails and they’re they’re bouncing or their hard bouncing, you know you need to be cleaning up that the database, otherwise the message is never going to be reached. So it’s, how many people are being reached are the clicking through? Are they is your is a language for which your packaging, that message appealing and that’s measured through that click through rate? Are they clicking the bait right? Are they? Are they following through on your ask so these are also, yeah, that everyone should should take note of that for my experiences of annual fund warrior for small and large organizations alike when it comes to donor experience, if you are getting a fifty percent click through rate on your engagement and retention emails, you are ninety percent more likely o r ninety times more likely rather to get a second gift within the same fiscal year, because what that fifty percent click through rate means is that you’re delivering the relevant content at an appropriate frequency that is peeking their interest. And if you’re doing that right, that means that you have someone that’s engaged and wants to consume the information that you’re putting out, and that should not stop any non-profit from asking again because it’s, an engaged enthusiastic on pre advocate donor-centric get a second gift, and the reason why that’s hugely important is there’s a lot of talk and commentary around the average of retention rate is what forty five percent or something make like that bryant yet the cost per acquisition is so high, so just like on the consumer side and the for-profit side it’s much more cost effective to retain a customer or donor-centric require new one. I’ve had lots of lots of guests say that exact same thing, i think the retention baizman like twenty five or thirty percent on dh, i’ve had many guests emphasized that, and as you said, you know, the cost of the cost of acquisition is so much higher than been retaining and and and it’s, you know, a relationship you don’t want. We’re trying to build relationships, you don’t want people dropping off that’s, this’s action just bad, bad for business. Yeah, and it just doesn’t feel good, you know? It is transactional, right? Right. Um okay. Let’s sum let’s. Just switch gears a little bit about some examples. Brian, you got you got a maybe a small midsize non-profit example, you khun, you can share with us of someone that improved. You know, the analytics improved fund-raising improved, etcetera. Yeah. One of my new favorite organizations called one pulse. They’re based its just outside of los angeles. Actually met the founder and executive director of twenty something year old in a coffee shop. When i was out there, unconference and anyways, fast forward gave him, you know, the technology stack from that good that he needed. And not only did he increase the number of donors that he had by about two hundred percent he’s up to about, you know, four hundred, donors now, but the major headline is that of those four hundred, you know, more than three hundred of them gave again. And then about one hundred fifty of them gave more than they did last year. And so when we unpack that this guy’s, the classic chief everything officer it’s one guy who has more passion than he does. Ah, grass of his, you know, time constraints and makes it all happen. He made it all happen by simply exploiting the functionality of technology, and that is setting up an email drip campaign that has a simple and very compelling image in it and a clever subject line in less than fifty words of content that that reminded a donor what the organization is doing every month, but also tells them the impact of what their support meant to the organization as relates to delivering, executing and scaling programs. And to me, it doesn’t get much better than that on dh it all comes down to, you know, intentionality and leveraging the existing functionality of his, you know, small but mighty software back, yeah, lisa yeah, well, i was just going to say a cz brian was talking. I was literally thinking about ah, conversation i was having with one of our product people. We were not is here having this conversation around, you know, the thought leadership of dahna experience, why it’s important? You know, we were living and breathing it and how we think about our product. We’re iterating on our product design all the time in this agile way of how is the donor touching this donor form? How are they choosing to click this button over this button? How would the font appear over this background versus this background? These of the thoughts and questions were talking about internally and never forget all the time, so we can always serve up that best tool and solution for our non-profits so they can then in and have the best experience for for their donors and bringing the most the most funding. So i think that it’s, it’s, it’s not just, you know, as you know, sitting here talking and, you know, it’s it’s a living, breathing, exactly. We’re living and breathing, and we’re kind of taking our own advice and thinking about how can we turn around this superior product that is putting donorsearch mirian ce kind of frontal lobe? Yeah, so we so where we need to encourage hyre non-profits to listeners to be very intentional and really and also a lot of testing i mean, it could be, you know, you may you may just have the wherewithal to do just simple abie testing one email, subject line versus another email subject line, right? Just not to be overly complex exactly right, but a lot of a lot. Of intention has to go into it, you know, the sort of slapdash thing that’s put together by an intern, you know, it doesn’t really know the organization that, well, it’s, you’re going to get returns consistent with the effort and thought that an intentionality that goes into it. Okay, all right, let’s, take our our last break. Lisa. Brian, if you would stand by for me, tell us credit card and payment processing, you could check out their video at tony dahna slash tony tell us explains the process of how business has switched to tell us and how you the non-profit that referred the business gets fifty percent of the revenue from the from the from all the transactions. Now this is transactional is talking about credit card transactions and fees and as tell us, earns fees from the companies that you refer, you get fifty percent of what they earn that simple. Okay, also, because you’re non-profit radio listener, if tello’s cannot reduce their credit card processing fees, then they’re going to send you two hundred fifty dollars. That part, that two hundred fifty dollars bonus is only for non-profit radio listeners. But i gotta tell you, it’s, probably not likely because odds are tell us is going to be able to save the money and that’s going to encourage the business to switch over, to tell us and then forget the two hundred fifty dollars, you’ve got a indefinite revenue stream because as that company processes credit card transactions, you are getting fifty percent of the revenue that tello’s earns from all those transactions indefinitely tell us, has one hundred percent satisfaction rate, so those businesses are not going to be leaving long tail passive revenue for you. Check it out, tony dahna em a slash tony, tell us. Thank you very much. Brian and lisa stood by. You stood by studiously. Alright, you’re not doing backchannel communications. Are you? Every every sponsor’s name tony. Oh, the girls are yeah. Are we talking about brandon? I was talking about consistency. We’re talking about message. I’m liking it. Tony dahna slash. We’re gonna have to come up with something for ah networked for good. We’re going to be on board. Where? There’s a lot to say about that coming up in the future. Future? Um, like march time. So yeah, i mean consistency branding, messaging right, you got it by learning something from seven and half years of listening to experts. Okay, um, you’re good student let’s. See? Thank you. Is that it? The not mentor? Not qualified to be a mentor. Coach. Student. Okay, like freshmen neo-sage thank you very much. A few more years, right? Shut off the mike. Now that we’ve had enough of her off, i was let’s. Go back to the lands and shirts like greater color. Like that part better. Yes. All right. So, brian, you’re not feeling left out there, are you, brian? No, not at all. Okay, you’re supposed to be here. We should. We should. I just wanna make this explicit met. Maybe i was probably understood early on, but you were supposed to be here. That was the whole point. You’re trying to get here in the studio, so we didn’t want you, but, you know, by phone is second. Yeah. Let’s. Talk about experience, right? Yeah. You’re years of experience. Customer experience today was not good. Yeah. That’s. That’s. Correct. Okay, i’m not going to ask you which which airlines you’re gonna fly, but you can tweet them. You know that you network for good has a lot of followers don’t. You probably didn’t want the corporate. Well, i know if it was the corporate card, if you have some degree of corporate sabat dissatisfaction that the the other vice president couldn’t get here, right? Okay, it was the corporate card. Maybe network for good should be tweeting. I don’t know who was we won’t say. All right, we only with a deposit of shout outs here. Um, okay, let’s, switch gears a little bit. Brian, i’m interested in some trends that you might be seeing emerging since we’re in the early stages of twenty eighteen. What what are you seeing coming on the horizon this year and beyond? Yeah, so a couple of things, i think the first is a real desire to, uh, automate fund-raising activities that all of this you’re not, you know, replace humans and, you know, the old fashioned stuff that works the best. But, you know, kind of what i was saying earlier, the senate forget it. Let’s design and experience and let’s put it in motion and watch it work for us, you know, kind of like engagement while we sleep. You are well non-profits we don’t upleaf we focus on delivering program, but you get what i’m saying, so that is one of the, i think, quickly growing emerging trends and feast out there, the sector and that is, what can we do to automate ous much of this experience so that we don’t have to be, you know, conjuring up emails every week and creating bliss, deploying them and testing subject line? Yes, but that that, uh the idea is, what do we do to create an experience that we think is the first and best generation and deploy it starts a man to measure it, you know? So what, we’re really keen from ten thousand feet is moving beyond donor-centric mint and really starting to talk about donor it’s one thing to make sure you have all your names and gift amounts and addresses in a cr m r donor-centric management system that’s great, but that that now is kind of like the most functional basics of fund-raising now you need to expand the aperture and say, well, what can we do to actually engage our donors with technology and not just doing it through, you know, likes and follows on facebook? But what do we do to automate some of those? Yeah, because it is. How do we make that accessible to small organizations that deposed tio? Very large ones that would buy, you know, hub spot for marquette owes or, you know, all those big, huge automation. And and so what we see is increased chadband interest and experimentation with automation of as much of the fund-raising function beginning with communication is possible. And automation does not have to sacrifice personalization that, you know, we just had it. Pardon me, brian. What you say got no gosh, no. Okay. Good. I got you. Okay. Yeah, we just had i just had a me sample ward on ceo of inten, our social media contributor last week. E-giving you know, very much the same sort of future. Look, andi, she explained how in ten of an organization that has an office in portland, oregon, but also has employees virtually uses automation toe run their office and to maintain their membership of, like, forty thousand or so. You know what? Maybe the membership is not big, but their constituencies, like forty five thousand, something personalization is definitely i mean, this is your right, brian. We’re past you. Know, get off spreadsheets moved to a crn now use that cr m segment and you don’t have to sacrifice personalization, lisa’s, champion jumper the bitter no, i was just going to say, you know, we we we cast forward it’s interesting because the the ese for which it is to give has changed, and platforms like facebook, among others, have completely changed that dynamic and is actually creating an interesting situation for non-profits because in one breath, you want to say how lovely all this money is coming in twenty five bucks at the clip from all these different directions, my revenue line is growing, but then when you dig a little deeper and it’s like, but are you able to build a community with those folks, are you able to get them to become the subscription? Geever exgagement true engagement it’s a lot harder for these non-profits to think about how do i turn that transactional giver? Because maybe tony you gave cause? Bryan asked you, right? But you don’t have a connection to my non-profit you know, i have to go back to you, tony, and say, hey, how can i build a relationship with you? How? Can i engage you, tony, and thread you into what i am doing over here into my mission? So you feel compelled to give on your own whether brian asked or not? So that kind of yeah, no, please go point it comes into, uh donorsearch mirian there’s also relationship between donor experience and board participation and fund-raising now we all probably accept as no one joins the board so they can ask their friends and family for money. But if staff does it, writing creek, that culture of philanthropy than and equipped trained board’s view it, then something good happens. But my point here is my experiences sends that boardmember zehr, reticent to ask their friends, come for money because non-profits are habitually poor at creating an experience that makes that boardmember feel proud and that’s not to say that boardmember is ashamed of the organization, but what the boardmember doesn’t want is that that donor that she or he or say bring to the table gets dropped into a you know, a same spray funnel of getting his letters, reports and every every invitation, uh, any type of event that that non-profits having the boardmember is very conscious. Of what experience that they want, or that they realized that that friends, family and co worker will have, as a result, e-giving to that organization. And so if if non-profits out there, if you want more board members to participate fund-raising you’ve got to create an experience for donors that raise rises to the level of satisfaction and pride of every one of your board members, so they’re feel proud. Teo asked their friends for money and have their friends be donors of to your organization and what brian was saying of having a solution that is a little set it and forget it. It’s this idea that you can have a tool that embeds within the tool all these best practices because at the end of the day, the non-profit doesn’t want to be thinking about did i bring in that hundred dollars that are bringing that thousand dollars in here? I mark right that’s not why they’re there that some what’s motivating them that’s, that’s like a means baizman end. So the tools that are stepping up to solve this problem are the ones that said, hey, you know what? We get that, right? We’re putting embedded. Best practices into this tool, so you’re going to focus on other things, but still trying to bring in that money and create that relationship in the most effective, meaningful way, because that’s what’s going to propel your non-profit for-profit forward and help you grow. Brian, i love that connection that you made between your donor experience and bored participation that’s a real that’s a connection i’ve never heard before on and i think it’s significant, and it and that could be a great topic for aboard conversation. Bored ceo, senior fundraiser conversation are you satisfied with the experience? I mean, it was some riel introspection that could be a difficult conversation, but one that’s important to have. Brian, i have to i brian brian, i got a limit. You we got, like, thirty seconds left. So this is your wrap up that you and then i’m gonna i’m gonna shut you off. So go but twenty eight seconds got it. So number one things that each and every non-profit should be doing this year is putting a stake in the ground and coming up with their first iteration of a donor experience. Um and keep it simple and keep it cost. Okay, you can animate email your website and facebook together you are catapulted yourself into a realm of hyre functionality that will help you raise more money. We got to leave it there. Brian lauterbach, vice president of programs, impact and sustainability and network for good lisa banana, vice president, digital marketing network for good they’re both network for good dot com where the forest spelled out lisa brian, thank you so much. Thanks. Such a pleasure. Thank you. My pleasure. Next week, joe garrick and your online giving plan i think you’re going to see some threads continue from this week. If you missed any part of today’s show, i’d be seat. You find it on tony martignetti dot com were supported by pursuing online tools for smaller midsize non-profits data driven and technology enabled tony dahna slash pursuant radio whether cpas guiding you beyond the numbers wagner, cps, dot com and tell his credit card in payment processing your passive revenue stream. 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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Oh, i’m glad you’re with me. I’d come down with lishman iesus, if you infected me with the idea that you missed today’s show, start your plans e-giving in twenty eighteen it’s me, i know a little about planned e-giving fund-raising i’ll give you tips, tricks and strategies to kick off your will’s campaign this year and amy’s twenty eighteen plan and you stamp award is our social media contributor and ceo of antenna non-profit technology network. She’s got insightful ideas to make your online life more balanced. I’m tony steak too. You’re twenty eighteen plans all this month, responsive by pursuant full service fund-raising data driven and technology enabled tony dahna slash pursuant weinger sepa is guiding you beyond the numbers wagner, cps, dot com and tell us turning credit card processing into your passive revenue stream. Tony dahna may slash tony tell us here i am with start your planned e-giving in twenty eighteen it’s my pleasure to welcome twenty martignetti ah, not a great pleasure. Sometimes i say great player. Just a pleasure. I’ve been doing planned e-giving since nineteen, ninety seven. So that’s. Twenty years. I was twenty one years. Yes, twenty one years. Now. I mean, my twenty first year, um, and i’ve been consulting in it for fifteen years. Yes, yeah, it’s, starting, well, whatever fifteen years is, yes. Start in two thousand three exactly as a consultant. Two thousand three nineteen ninety seven got started so i know a thing or two about planned e-giving and an opportunity arose because guest this month at a family emergency and couldn’t pre record for me. So i’m pretty recording from myself, and we’re doing start your plan giving in twenty eighteen let’s begin with what is planned giving i have a really simple definition, and it is a method of fund-raising that is long term and typically means cash to your non-profit at the death of the donor so long term you need thio recognize that this is not going to pay next years ah, salary budget or for your five or even ten year capital plan. We’re going to start promoting plan giving roughly with people who are about fifty five or, say, sixty and over fifty five to sixty and if someone that age puts you in there will, which is what we’re gonna talk about the example that’s, the marketing we’re going to talking about wills um, you know, they could be living another twenty five or thirty years, so you have to have that long term. View of fund-raising and if you’re going to embark on this, your board needs to have that long term view of fund-raising you don’t want your board in six months asking when we kicked off this plan giving program, encouraging bequests, where’s the revenue that that would be that would be a big, big problem. You haven’t kicked it off, right? Your board needs to know that these air gifts that are coming twenty, twenty five, thirty years in the future, right? Of course, depending on the ages of the people that actually make the gif ts but again, we’re going to start our marketing around fifty five or sixty so long term view, who are the best prospects for planned gif ts as i said by age, there are about fifty five to sixty and over now, of course, if a seventy five or eighty year old includes you in there, will, then you know, they may only be living for five or ten or fifteen years. So again, it depends what the ages of the people are, who actually make the gift best prospects. They love your work, they are already committed donors to your organization and by committed were judging that we’re judging their commitment. I need to take a drink. By their giving history, their history of consistency if they’ve been giving to you, you know, twelve of the past fifteen years or eighteen of the past twenty years, or maybe even more than more, you know, twenty five times in twenty years, you’re looking for that long term consistency in giving. And when you’re looking at that, you want to ignore the gift size i literally mean, if all those gifts those eighteen gifts in twenty years were ten dollars a month, that person is a very good plan e-giving prospect they’re probably of the right age because they’ve been giving to you for so many years, and they always plan for you. They always think about your organization, and i would bet you that if they’re giving it that ten dollar level, they wish they could give more, but they can’t during their lifetime, their ultimate gift to you. We’ll be in there a state plan, and again, we’re talking about the quests, those those gif ts in someone’s will a charitable bequest in the will that is going to be the ultimate gift for someone who was a low level donor is ignore the gift size when you’re looking at the consistency through the years through the decades, small gif ts very consistent donor-centric planned gift prospect this is not only for your major donors by any stretch, not at all. All right, so, you know, people have asked me when i’m speaking, you know, do you focus on women because women outlive men? No, i don’t focus on women it’s true that women on average do outlive men, and if they’re married than odds are that thie their husband’s estate or book of it has been left to them. So you could say that they may be have, um, on outsized role in planned giving because they’ve been left assets from there husbands. But, you know, i don’t focus marketing on females in their seventies, eighties or even fifty five or sixty um, you just you do, however, want to be sensitive to the role of women, you know what i have seen? And this is not just from questions, but i’ve seen it myself buy-in an events, clients or non clients, even when a couple is together and the husband is the one who’s being talked to, and the wife is largely being ignored, that’s that’s a that’s a big mistake. You want couples involved you want? You want me? Even if it might even be the whole family in some cases, but certainly you want couples involved. So as you’re thinking about who the best potential donors are in the long term on dh for your for your plans, giving program you want to be respecting women while their husbands are still alive. You know kids, you can’t marginalize the woman. And then when she becomes a widow all of a sudden year, you’re embracing her and you want her toe. You want her to be as enthusiastic about your your mission that as as her husband was that’s that’s probably not going to succeed. So just i mean, what am i saying? Just respect women the way you do men, you know, treat the couple as joint donors doesn’t matter what who’s who has the greater interest treat them both because you never know what’s gonna happen longer term. All right, so that’s that’s what? Who the best prospects are on now we’re going to pick it up with got a bunch of marketing tips and, ah, little a little bit about your recognition society stay with me, it’s. Time for a break pursuant, data driven fund-raising field guide it’s their newest resource on the listener landing page at tony daddy may slash pursuant capital p there’s no! Ah, yeah there’s so much data around us. It’s, easy to feel data overload. Just the data that you already have can be overwhelming so and then trying to figure out what to do with it and how to make it actionable. The field guide purpose is to make data less daunting for you. They’re less daunting s so what’s in it for five high level steps you can take to translate your business objectives, real world case studies and a worksheet with thought starters it’s at tony dahna slash pursuing capital p now back to me and start your plan giving in twenty eighteen um, so just teo want duyvil deeper just into a charitable bequests just so we’re clear that that is not all there is around playing e-giving that’s just where we’re started. There’s lots of different types of plant gif ts this could be about the gift of life insurance gif ts from ira’s from charitable trusts and there’s lots of varieties of charitable trust, charitable gift annuities. Those are those are the most popular, all kinds of beneficiary designations in financial assets, but the one planned gift that we’re going to be focusing on is that charitable bequest encouraging gift to your organisation in people’s wills so that alongside their husband, wife, children and grandchildren, there is a bequest paragraph, a gift to your non-profit and think about what we’re asking someone to do. I mean, think about how much they love your work to put you alongside husband, wife, children, grandchildren, i mean, they really love your work that is quite a respected place to be, and that has implications for you’re treatment of them after they’ve told you that you’re in there. Will, you know, in other words, your stewardship of them, and i’m going to talk a little later about your recognition society. So think about what you’re asking people to do put you in that very special place. Why am i focusing on charitable bequests? A bunch of reasons? Everybody knows what a will is, everybody should have one it’s very easy to do. People don’t have to tell you that they’ve included you. There are a lot of plant gifts where they would have to tell you, because you need to be involved in the documentation of it. This is an example where they don’t have to tell you they could include you in their will and not inform you. And there are lots of people who will not tell you that they’ve included you, even though you’ll be asking you constantly want to be asking in in your marketing, please tell us if you’ve included us in your will, but ah lot of people won’t. The national statistic is that there’s between seven and eight states that you’re in for every one that you know about on why don’t people reveal why? Why, when people share that information, especially when you’re mean, when you’re a part of it, i want they tell you there’s a lot of reasons for that they don’t want to be asked to do more. They’re, um they don’t want to be treated any special, especially any differently. They want to know that they can change their mind. And even though legally we can change our minds about our wills any time we want to there’s an old woody allen clip our line, i think it’s, i’m not sure it’s in zelig, i’m not sure where it is, but he’s upset at some family member and he yells up to his wife, bring me my will and an eraser. You can change your will anytime it doesn’t matter whether you told the organizations or the people who are in it that that they’re in it, but people feel an obligation not to change their mind once they’ve told you that they that they have included you in their will, they just they feel that moral obligation and the reason they won’t inform you that they’ve done this is because they don’t want to be bound morally. They want tohave that flexibility again, even though legally we always we always have it. We’re talking about their their moral obligation, so lots of reasons why people won’t tell you, um and that was part of i was listing off. You know why we’re dealing with charitable bequests? Because people don’t have to tell you another reason we’re focusing on wills and bequests. There’s no lifetime cost noah’s the hypothetical i gave you before the a person who’s been giving ten dollars, a year for many, many years. This is their ultimate gift. They. They wish they could have done more for you during their lifetime. But they need a gift that doesn’t have a lifetime cost. And so the charitable request is one of those examples. So that’s a bunch of reasons why we’re focusing on wills and bequests. I guess the biggest reason is that it is so easy for people to understand, everybody knows what a will is, and they can include you in theirs. All right. So moving to some marketing tips, how to encourage people to include you in their will and remember, we talked about best prospects. We need to go back and listen, those of the people you’re targeting again, you know, fifty five or sixty and over, um, well, you don’t need to go back because i’m reiterating it and very consistent donors. You’re not gonna be acquiring new donors through your plan giving marketing. This is not an acquisition strategy. All right, this is your charitable bequest strategy will’s campaign. If you want to think of it as a campaign, that could be a very good idea. Think of this as a will’s campaign, some ways of marketing. Starting with events, you’re producing a program, you could put a couple of sentences in that programme along the lines of we’ve kicked off a campaign to encourage you to remember our organization in your will, it’s very simple to do and secures our work long into the future. Ah, your attorney needs our legal name, address and tax i d number. Drop those in and that’s it and then maybe mom’s, right? Maybe say, you know, for more information, contact whoever that wherever that contact person is director, development, et cetera. Um, a few words about legal name, address and tax id these air fundamental to lots of planned gif ts certainly that applies in the case of charitable bequests. You want to make your legal name, that the name under which you’re incorporated, you’re you’re incorporated a nonprofit corporation. What that formal legal name is? I want to make that public also your address and your federal tax i d number. I hope you recognize that tax i d number that e r e i n employer identification number the irs has given you. I hope you realize that that is not to be kept private. Like your social security number. It’s already public it’s on all your form nine nineties. Excuse me, and those are gosh, excuse me. And those are very public. You may have them on your own website. Lots of attorney general’s attorneys general offices is have them attorney general’s office is attorneys general attorneys general, lots of attorneys, general offices have them guide star has them so you know that that buy-in which is important to teo, including request gif ts should be should be public, you know, make that part of your part of your marketing along with your legal name and your address. So sticking with events, maybe you could even drop a couple of words into the the written remarks, the remarks that are going to be made for that event. Now, i understand some events. It may not be appropriate, but some it can be appropriate. So if it is, you know, besides doing what you’ve done in the written program have someone have the speaker announced that you know, we’ve we’ve kicked off this will’s campaign. We’re encouraging gifts by will it’s. Really simple to do for more information, please see no, whoever standing in the corner, it doesn’t require more than just like three or four sentences in in a speaker’s remarks. Get out there. I mean you want to have you you know you’re gonna think about this is a campaign, you’ve got to be promoting your campaign? Ah, your annual report another place that you can encourage donors and also recognize those who have already made planned gift that i’ve already put you in there will that’s a perfect place for recognition. Now i know a lot of organizations i’ve heard you are getting away from printed annual reports. So you know this other marketing ideas i’ve got if if you’re not producing a written annual report, but if you’re doing it on, i mean doesn’t matter. You’re doing an online version of your annual report include the names there say what it is. You know, these people have included us in their long term plans by by naming us in there will, if you’d like to. If you’d like to join them, please contact whoever your attorney will need our again legal name, address and tax id, and here they are and then list those names as a zoo form of recognition people who have already i already made that made the plunge and and put you in their will, i would say when you’re gonna be listing names, make sure that you have their permission to use their names. That’s something you want to ask after someone has informed you that they’ve included you in their will ask permission to use their name on, and if they say no, then list them as anonymous. All right? You mean you want to show that there are as many gifts as there are in your will’s campaign in your new plant giving program? So list the people as anonymous if they prefer not to be named my experience. Very few people don’t want their names listed, but you certainly should be asking another marketing tip direct mail. You’re already producing your mail piece. You can put a buckslip in that’s ah, it’s a something that i mean, the way i do them for clients is they’re printed three on a sheet because she gets cut in thirds and then there’s little buckslip third of us slipped gets gets dropped in. It doesn’t change the weight of your piece, so you’re not spending any more on postage, something along the lines of did you know you can include, you know, our organization, your name in your will. It’s so easy to do lots of people have all you need is our legal name, address and tax id. Here they are. Please share this information with your attorney and for more information, contact whoever it is that it’s that easy. All right, you already producing the mail, drop a drop of slip in and encourage, encourage gives by will along lines of direct mail when you print your next batch of of envelopes were talking about the the not reply envelopes, but the although we could do it there, too. But i’m thinking of the number ten the carrier enveloped the outer envelope that as your your name and logo on the on the outside on the flap, put a little check box for i’d like information on including and then your organization name in my will. We’ll check off for people everybody’s going to see it, they got they got to seal the envelope, they’re going to see that you’re already printing the envelopes include this on the on the flap. All right, easy, easy. I’d like more information on including the organization in in my will. No, they want you to think about email signatures, email. Signatures and business cards. Can everybody in the organization had this to there to their email signature? You could include us in your will ask me how and then you may get some enquiries. Same thing on business cards next time you’re printing business cards or as as new employees come or a sze yu have to reprint for your current employees. Ah, statement about including the organization in your will you don’t ask me out, you know, a ll these simple tips that’s because i’m the evangelist for planned giving him and i’m trying to get the word out as much as possible trying to promote your will’s campaign, your your plan giving program as much as possible. So, you know, you take or leave these ideas i’ve had people come up to me after i’ve spoken, and i’ve suggested the business card and they’ll show me their car. It’s got it, he’s got it on there. Um, they ran out. I mean, they left the seminar. They ran teo insta print or staples. They got the rapid. They obviously paid the cost for the for the urgent a rush job. And then he came back and there it was so very gratifying. Let me. Okay, well, let’s, keep going with the marketing. And then i want to assure you about about thes bequests and how you can have a very fulfilling plan giving program just on the quest. Um, promotion, when you are in meetings, okay, you in one on one meetings, you’ve done your research. You know that the person who’s a very consistent, loyal donor and you either know or you’re judging that they’re roughly fifty five sixty and you want to open the subject. Ah, good. Oh, now this is not the walk in the door line, of course, but as the conversation is continuing no. Ah, we’ve kicked off a campaign to encourage gifts by will. We’re starting to get some interest. If this is true, you can even say, you know, people of we’ve got people, including us in their will, and you have been such a consistent and loyal donors for so many years. Is that something that you would consider and no answers? We’ll run the gamut from i’ve thought about it already. Oh, i’ve already done it, tio no, you know, i don’t i don’t really think of you in that long term way and ah, i was done ask, well, why is that you’ve been a long term donor? How come you don’t? You don’t see something longer term with us? Okay, assuming that the conversation is going to continue, all right, and there is some interest, then you want to be very sensitive about about this topic, because it is so personal. Again, you know, they’re putting you next to their loved one ones, so in their will. So you do want to be very thoughtful and sensitive and listening. And they may even reveal some things that are personal, because this is involving, you know, their their long term plan. Their this is their will. And that involves family members, loved ones, maybe even dear friends. So you might hear some things that are more personal than you’re accustomed to. You know, just take that in. And, ah, keep the conversation guided toward how a gift in someone’s will. This long term gift is goingto further your work. What’s it going to mean for your work to continue, you know, decades from now. And i would also tell you that people who are of this age, and they are long term, consistent donors to you, they’re ready to have a conversation like this, even if, even if they’re answer is negative, they’re not going to be put off by the by the suggestion. Okay, it’s, just as i’ve been doing this twenty one years and it’s never happened where someone was offended by the conversation, because you’re asking the right people, you bring it up with the right, great potential donors. Um all right, that’s the same marketing tips i have, i want to assure you that even though there are so many different types of plant gifts that i was listening earlier, you could have a very, very respectable planned gift program just with wills, you can start and stop there. You you certainly could go further, but you don’t need to. I’ve worked with small organizations where all they did was encourage gif ts by will that was the sum and substance of there planned gift program um, and small organizations, you know, when there’s a dozen, fifteen, twenty people in the er in the recognition society which is going to get through very shortly. Um that’s very gratifying, you know? And then you just keep up the you keep up the marketing, so do not feel that just because there’s such a broad array of planned gift that you need to be in every one of them you don’t, you could have a very respectable program that is on ly around wills your recognition society goingto wrap up with this i said earlier how important stewardship is so you certainly do want to have a recognition society i would encourage you to call it something other than the heritage circle. The legacy fund, the legacy circle, um, those air ubiquitous, name it something that his iconic to your organization, it might be the year of your founding. It might be the name of your founder. Ah, the maybe the hong zhang society, um, the you know, wherever, in-kind if there was not a founder, someone whose iconic to your organization, i have a school where it’s the it’s, the bell tower society, because that’s, an iconic fixture on their on their on their campus so name it something that’s iconic to your organization. Please stay away from the legacy circle. Also, you do not need to spend a lot of money on thanking your donors. You’re who have included you in their wills you just need to be thoughtful, genuine. So what are some things you can do if you’re hosting an event? Set aside, tomorrow’s vp some sorry, some v i p seating for them it’s like the cost of masking tape or or string tio label a section of seats you’ve already bought and paid for vips and then invite your plan. Give donors to sit there, include them in your insider publications, whatever those might be newsletters, whatever emails, insider blast um, these are people who have made a gift and they and even though you haven’t recognised in his cash yet, it is a long term commitment to your organization, and they’ve put you alongside their loved ones. So in your recognition society, do what you can to make them feel special, right? And that is start your plan giving in twenty eighteen i’m always open to questions, of course. Good luck. Getting playing, giving off the ground this year when you just take a break, wittner sepa is another testimonial quote, this is my first year and we are a growing non-profit argast gps was completely attentive and gave the impression as if they were right next door when handling our review engagement. 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Despite the lousy sound quality and a bunch of the segments again, i’m sorry about that. Today is the last of this. This run for the month of january to believe anything out. Is there something that you would like us to cover for you? Let me know at twenty martignetti or you can use tony at twenty martignetti dotcom. Get me there. Here’s amy sample ward with her twenty eighteen plan it’s. My pleasure to welcome back. Amy sample ward, you know, social media contributor and ceo of ends and the non-profit technology network. The most recent co author. A book is social change anytime everywhere about online multi-channel engagement that amy sample wards dot or ge and at amy are lorts welcome back-up awards staying for having me back. Happy twenty eight teams. Absolutely. Thank you. Yes. I’m glad to have you back if you want. Good to have you on this one. Yeah, well, it’s a good a good open for our year together. Yeah, wonderful. And that’s what we’re talking about years together on twenty eighteen. Um, your plans. Your plans for twenty eighteen. Yeah. So let’s. See what you got? What you got for, uh, listeners for the year? Well, just hearing the way that you were introducing me. Maybe he’ll like the first thing that i have put on my list to know my life let me divulge my deepest regulations for the year. Tony martignetti on the radio lift the field very aligned with ten of my role on on on top of radio and then it’s about social media and my first kind of my first, you know, i’m not really revolution person, i don’t know if we need to unpack that here, but i’m not really a resolution person way don’t do that. I’m more of like a like i’m more of a, uh, reminders and commitment you almost every day myself, something happened, and i think, okay, i’m gonna make a note that, like, i want to be committed to a path where that doesn’t happen, or i don’t want to do that thing again or, you know, whatever those little reminders are, they come up, uh, you know, all the time that that’s more how my personality but one thing that has been on the top of my personal reminder list the last a few weeks and that felt very strong when you asked for me to think about these things is this idea of justice feeling come serve all staying connected where i want to and making that decision they know how i feel in that in those connections and in that channel vs, you know, being the ceo event, and i’m feeling like i need to be on every single channel and talking to people in our community every where they are and letting go of that and just saying, you know what? I really like to use channel for this reason and connect with only these people there. I’m nothing to feel bad about that i’m going connect with those people in that face and feel good. So you think it’s more where you feel comfortable? Yeah, okay, because we’ve talked about the past meeting people where they are here well and that horizon organizations and i’m chained for me as a person, you know, like my my personal accounts online, you know versus and pen of an organization are professional sort of channel. I give you an example like, i, you know, there’s all there’s, always drama or opinions or fear about what facebook is doing to this state of the internet, and sometimes i care about those things sometimes i think they’re all hyperbole, but what i have found is that over the last year or so, i really don’t even look at anything in it. This small moms group that i’m a part of with other women from my wellness center and weigh all log in who are private group and we talk, you know, every day while we’re pumping, people were commenting and talking teo other every night after, you know, babies sort of bad everybody kind of checks when we’re together and it’s it feels like a really close community, and everybody uses that space that kind of have an outlet, people bet you understand what you’re going through. I could really honestly care less about the rest of baseball because all it is people sharing new links that make you any tests and stress. And, you know, all of this back and forth, like i want to go to my mama’s group and talk to my friends, and i don’t want to feel bad that i’m not, you know, personally engaging with the rest of the world of books, any temple word, that’s, a big deal because you are you are a co author of books about being multi-channel and engaged everywhere napor so that’s you know, first of all i have i want everyone to know that non-profit radio is not only family friendly, it is family embracing, you know, the the the subject of lactation, and something is very welcome on this shelf. Yes, just in case yours in question. But now that’s uh that’s quite a revelation. Thank you. Thank you for sharing really well, i feel like he’s been in a professional way. The places where i’ve been using twitter, facebook, you’re somebody’s much more longer standing platform has really migrated into groups, whether that’s groups in the way that it has no actual group where you’re just these people have joined this group, whether it’s private or public group or place metoo tools like twitter, where public but a new kind of created roots in your own feet are really relied on hash tag on ly follow the ship out about a certain topics and i mean you you will not be surprised that my reflection and kind of understanding about this it is what it is, but i think it’s all because we use it to your community as ad has gotten to be, you know, ten, fifteen years old and every single person is on them, so you can’t just listen to every single right now you have to go back to creating some smaller communities within that channel weather that wrote groups or hashtags or whatever. And i think it’s important for people to recognize that you don’t need to read every single twist it goes, you know, through your street because that’s not necessarily why you are even using twitter right to read every thought of every person in dinner, mess with people and create some communities. All right, so your youth has evolved teoh right into these communities within the over the larger community have all your followers are all your friends? Exactly? And i mean, it sounds like a more sophisticated and more personal use of the platform. Well, i think you know what you think about it is like it’s krueger and group. And so naturally now it’s gonna split apart so that all of those pieces in grover and grow and then they split apart, right, like that’s natural growth cycles for many different applications. So i think for me at least it’s at that place. Now where it’s grown too big for it to be meaningful. So now i have to break it into parts where they’re meeting again in breaks. Evolution? Exactly. All right, i should have said earlier there’s there’s a bit of a delay between amy talking that’s because we’re working on a sort of strangely relieved system would buy phones. And sam is according to having trouble with the regular phone line calling the studio that’s actually kind of interesting. I mean, it i’m forgetting because there’s no mike in front of me now i’m just talking to you on my phone. Come on, yeah, it’s like a more personal conversation, even though i know i know intellectually it’s going to be recorded and they’re in the over twelve thousand people listening, but it doesn’t feel like it right now. You know what you’re like? What is the scene? Because in my mind, i’m picturing you on the phone and not picturing you, you know, i’ve seen i’ve seen the studio and been able to record in the city, so i know the setup and i normally khun pictured you sitting in the microphone looking at sam’s at, you know, african, hold on dh it always feels like oh, i’m calling in and i’m being, you know, put into the system, and today it feels like you and i are just having a conversation. It’s very interesting how much of an impact that makes exactly i know, even though we know for sure, yeah, even though i know sam is still sitting next to you. Yeah, i mean, i’m in a different chair on this side. I know it is interesting that really it’s what i think about it, it feels more personal, and i’m very comfortable with mike in front of me, but this feels a lot more personal, even though intellectually i know it’s, not just a phone call between two of us. Uh, all right, well, thank you again for for sharing world was opening up that way that the evolution you also want to encourage us to connect people. Yes, well, i mean, i barely everyone needs to be doing that. But i know that from me. I take a lot of of happiness from and really enjoy making connections for people. Because in my job i have super privileged to meet just a ton of people every year, you know, i travel a lot i presenta latto and part of an organization that connects thousands of people, you know? So i just i make so many connections myself, i’m always thinking about, oh, i know someone that i could connect you to, you know, but i often have felt at least over the last year, even though i think of that i don’t have a lot of tools that i have developed for myself in that moment to capture the idea. Like, i always assume i’ll remember, you know, a week later when i’m back in the office and then i’m like, i’m going to connect somebody, somebody else who knows who those people were, so i wanted. I want to think about two older processes for myself collecting cash through those ideas better because i know, you know, taking somebody says this heart is not the process that’s going to help me do that understand, put in my pocket, you know, the best kind of wear those pants like you say that booth with that person is, you know, you could do better than that. I mean, what about my method is taking notes on your business card with a hand when when i get it, yeah, but then i have to have a pen and what i found to be the biggest issue with that is that you begin that process is the number of people who print hyre, you know, business cars where you can’t write on them, like i have a laminated one, practically one yeah. Hey, yeah, so and that i feel like austin, when i’m with and then, you know, scratching into the surface instead of actually hyre upleaf exactly card course, but, you know, i always have my phone with me, even if i don’t have my wallet or my brain or anything else, i have my phone, so i’m going to test out and they would talk about this on your show, but i’m going to test out different out spur this kind of, you know, process to help me make sure that i should follow up with people and make the connections that i’m thinking of, okay, so you already have pulled in mind or you have to go. Yeah, i have a few, you know, some of them are based on getting someone out there starting some of them are more life pre-tax management depends on what works, you know, for my process in that, but there are a few that have been recommended to me, but i’m going okay, but overall, just be willing to do going to connect people, and i’ve always found communism that’s a basic latto tenet of fund-raising too. You don’t only know dahna silo a donor or potential bonem relationship only to yourself preserve it only to yourself, but to introduce two persons to other people in the organization, other potential donors because they might have something, you know, they might have a mama’s group, they might have killed your comments, or they might have fourteen in common. I don’t want to go into more detail that fort because of myself, but, you know, they might have muscle cars also wanted i don’t mind fixing things i don’t know anything about, you know, whatever they have in common, you know you want to make connections, and yeah, i mean, we’re in a connected world exactly much some people can isolate us a little bit, but we’re not actually well, what i really wished i haven’t found a way how anyone that has any of you listening to me? But i really wish that link in had a component where i could put, like, on my connection between myself and you. This is when tony and i first met or business when need in our first radio show together, you know, whatever saying feels noteworthy, you know, like a personal, personally, but you you got the public didn’t see that you know, this valley on adding it to your profile or something, but that’s where, you know, so many people rely on track of all of their professional connections. I wish that there was a way that just have a note that said, this is the conference where not person or, you know, come on and talk about whatever, like a mini prn exactly, you know what i’m like? And then what was great about leikin for me, we’ve gone down a rabbit hole, but, you know, none of the listeners stoploss now, so i hope you know what i think is great about later is that you coming out of u and i instead of making us somebody, you and i may know each other because of the radio show and maybe, you know, because i was in new york. And we attended some non-profit meet up together or something. But to you, that could be a really small part of all that is tony martignetti professional world, right. And and it’s, helpful for me to know this is how i know the person that i really like going to link into that i could see. Oh, wow. Tony has done all these other things. He has these other connections from other professional world that i’m not a part of versus creating your lot. People invested in time and making that personal database. The business card they collected people they meet, but it’s on ly then this sliver of how you know that that’s my life relying on lincoln, because then people can fill out their entire world, right? And i only knew them from one piece of it. But now i can still see oh, they have done all these other programs they have had these past job. You know, all of those other pieces? Yeah. It’s. So much more than you know about them. Okay, yeah. Unfortunately, i have to. It injects the artificial ality of being on show and you’ve got a way to take a break, okay got to take a break. Tell us credit card payment processing the video. They want you to watch the video. I would like you to watch the video. It’s not a long video. 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Okay, so we still have a couple more minutes together. Okay. Um what what? What else you got for us? Years? Twenty eighteen plant. Well, you know what? Vincent, from the iss back when i was writing a book or having to publish content were regularly in-kind another book, you’ve done, all your books, i don’t know, and i’m happy to write another book, i just don’t know what it would be on, you know? So send your ideas my way, way, you know, different when i was in times of having to create a lot of content, it was easier because it felt like, on actual deadline, you know? And so since then, especially the last year, so it is always on my list, you know, i need to write several articles are i’ve even committed to this outlet to write something, but it is always the last thing on my list, you know? And i just hate that at ten we call it a shame spiral where because you feel that about something you then don’t engage with that day, but if they’re not engaging with it, more time has passed, so they feel worse about it. But then you feeling more like not with it? So then, you know, to learn will go by and i have to, like, reach out. To that outlet and say, so what? I’m honestly really sorry that i’ve not written this article i submitted a few months ago, but also i feel like so bad that i maybe can’t ever write it because i just feel so bad now, you know, it’s only this it’s so late in the relationship with partly from back-up abila what’s on now, i have somebody i owe something to boy, it was even paid content and he’s a good guy, and he sends a reminder once a month on, and i think i’ve gotten like, for those mind way still talk, we will talk about that. I know you just go down the way with viral. The one thing that we’ve started talking about is same claim instead of kayman viral just saying at the beginning, you know what? Like there is something about this project or the commitment or this act that, like i know is going to take me into same finals, i’m gonna own it up front and, like let’s, change the topic of the article. I’m obviously not interested in this one if i’m not going to connect, you know, whatever, whatever it is, just two more since claiming and lesson spiraling because i really like creating content, you know, sharing whether they’re my ideas are other people’s ideas from interviewing someone or whatever. I really love being able to create value and share content with the community, but i know in his destine such a source of that same spiraling. So this year i really want teo again. Maybe this is similar to the one where where the focus is actually on creating better thing for myself. But i want to find some ways where i do my calendar. My us on my mental state create room for those commitments instead of feeling like i always have to something for something now? Yeah. Playing your same one move. Exactly. Exactly. Okay, did you have any, uh, platforms or after that suggests that way? Just keep an eye on. Not that we jumped in, but anything emerging around the inten conversations that we should look at, you know? I mean, i posted it from staff, but i haven’t gotten a lot of answers back. A lot of folks are more about left. About three asked you. Have you have on your phone or something? And more about the way content outlets are changing. I think you were talking about on the show, but also we’ve all probably witnessed the way that content people, news content and in-kind contributed, you know, individual content changed in the last eighteen months because of the political landscape on dh peer-to-peer organizations are certainly a part of that shit, you know, both sensational kind of content and very, very pointed content and so dafs are less may be interested in emerging individual act and more what what’s gonna happen or what has already happened in with the way that content is being published and who’s sharing it and who who had the privilege of publishing that content, you know, and all that gets wrapped up in that that’s interesting because i feel like it’s related to a couple of things you and i were just talking about, i know that, you know, setting aside time for creative and, you know, getting over these obstacles that got, you know, changing the contract, but i think you said it must be that interesting, teo three months on, doll so you know what we started when dilgence talking about so the way you are feeling the way you are using you devolved, you’re you so, you know, the the huge platforms so i feel like i feel like the way the staff is has responded to you is similar to what you were thinking yourself sounds like, right? Yeah, yeah, in a way, for sure, and i think people came out it from different experiences themselves or, you know, different kind of focuses, but ultimately, i think everyone does center around that idea of who who’s behind all this microphone to smooth talk on them study was saying, how is this in passing? All of our community is how is this impacting our work? How are we a part of it? You know, what i’m basically saying is that they all are jealous that you’re on the radio every month, another country? Yeah, i remember you now the center of the universe, the way that’s, my believe that’s my interpretation of what you just always right on, you know, it’s right on and i and i hold it over all of that. So wei have one minute left together and i really have more than more than useful nastad out for non-profit technology. Conference twenty k. 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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-cash over radio big non-profit ideas to the either in ninety five percent, i’m your athlete named oh, i’m glad you’re with me. You’d be speaking with a phony a if you lost the ability to tell me that you missed today’s show new tax law and you’re twenty eighteen plans, tax cuts and job back include using changes that in fact non-profits in fund-raising and beyond legal contributor and the principle of neo non-profit and exempt organizations law group gene takagi. He walked us through what you need to know. Authorities take you twenty eighteen plans all this month. Reported by pursuing full service fund-raising data driven and technology enables tony dahna i made last pursuing and by wagner citing you beyond the numbers piela dot com hello. Starting credit card processing your passive revenue stream. Tony dahna a blast. Tony. Hello. What a pleasure to welcome back scotty. For the new year. He is managing attorney of neo the non-profit and exempt organizations law group in san francisco. He edits the phenomenally popular non-profit law block dot com. And if the american bar association’s twenty sixteen outstanding non-profit lawyer at ease, happy. New year team happy new year, honey. Great to be back. The pleasure. Thank you for joining us in the month of january and talking about the monster new tax law and how it impacts non-profits twenty eighteen. Um, what? Just for the years of the details? What? What? What? What have you seen in terms of non-profits reaction community reaction to the fact? Well, i think monstrous wasn’t a bad term. Teo described from the perspective of non-profits i think overwhelmingly non-profits leaders who are kind of aware of all of the details provisions that may affect them think it’s a really terrible teo that’s blackbaud either, in some cases, a lack of understanding of what non-profits charities duitz for the country and in some cases, just think that there’s a lack of care, but sadly, it’s not a very good bill and non-profits me to be aware of what? What about them? Okay, uh, let me explain. Listen, if you were working on oddly rigged system, were going through my phone so there may be some delays. Naralo echoes so bear with us there. I want to get this done miles. Jean and i are in the studio. Are available. And you need to ask you if you could remember, speak up a little bit louder than usual. Okay, well, okay. Thanks very much. Um, yeah. Uh, you you believe the conventional and widespread with belief that most of his tax bill is benefiting the wealthy one percent or one tenth of one percent. Yeah, i’m kind of in line with that. That frame of thought that ultimately the richest one percent will end up with by far the majority of the benefits of the tax cuts. And i heard someone. You’re the richest one tenth of one percent are gonna benefit from about sixty percent of the benefits of the tax cut that comes from robert ray’s shut in an article published by newsweek overviewing week early in january. So this is going to be the expected by twenty, twenty seven. A lot of the benefits that cruise teo little income and even lower income individuals made this here. There’s some temporary, uh, deductions and carrots that are given out, if you will, to make it seem like they’re getting to benefit from it, at least initially. And then those disappear. And by the way and deficit get larger there’s going to be a spending cut which made the that’s the social security, medicare and medicaid. I believe the republican congress is there in talking about that let’s call ryan and decrease spending on a social safety nets will increase the needs. Of course, charitable services, the decrease spending from the government and the government supplies about one third of the revenues for charity, so they get their job done through charities by e-giving grass and contact public services that decreased spend spending will mean that charities have less money to address ever increasing metoo duitz a bad results all the way around. Remind me what we talked about in the depths of the recession. In that case, individual giving head declined because unemployment was so high and because unemployment was so high the need, especially in the social services sector, were vastly increasing. Exactly that’s the problem with doing the same thing is that the cause of it is the cause of the individual e-giving decline is, uh, anticipated decline is different. All right, so what do you think we see in terms of brovey fund-raising and how it’s going to be impact, by the way? The send out the increase in the standard deduction, talk us through that. So, sure, but one of the big provisions that that affects everybody is that going to be a doubling of the standard in-kind almost doubling of this from about sixty three hundred fifty dollars to twelve thousand dollars for individuals and double that for married couples. For some people, they would say, you know, we’re getting a bigger deductions, you always taken the standard deduction, and that will seem great, although that’s just temporary, but there are a lot of potential deductions that have gone away, and that maybe means that a lot of people will actually end up paying more in taxes and the impact specifically the charities is that by doubling the standard deduction roughly, you know, thirty percent of taxpayers were ableto itemize their deductions, and only ida miters itemizers would get the benefit of the charitable contribution instructions, because that is one of the itemized deductions that are allowed, but from thirty percent of tax cares itemizing deductions once you double the standard deduction, it will only mean that a thousand five to six percent of taxpayers will now itemize or get the benefits of speeding says the level of the standard deduction by itemizing so basically, what you’re saying now is from thirty percent of the population that could have benefitted tax wise from a charitable contribution deductions lax here this year and going forward because this is already it’s, not a bill anymore. This is the law’s going forward, only about five percent of taxpayers can actually get a deduction for charitable contributions that that is meaningful in any way, so that goes into the so the estimate is that only about five percent of taxpayers will itemize going forward. Yeah, i think it’s about five stick percent going forward is that you going to be subject to some of something that happened, including with state taxes and some states trying to react to all of this as well and creating different measures that’s really hard to really get it, just sort of based on on current conventions, the joint committee on taxation of everyone you know from from the federal government believes that it’s going to be about six percent, five percent of taxpayers that are going to itemize from now on, all right and that’s down from, he said. From thirty percent historical yeah, so i thinking rough numbers are in ron numbers. I think we’re going from about forty six million taxpayers who itemized in two thousand seventeen will go down to less than thirteen on dh that dejected to result in twelve to twenty billion dollars per year, less charitable giving a credible e-giving is tied in part tax benefits. Now a lot of people don’t have tax benefits is their main reasons for giving but it’s fundamentally expect how much leftover incomes have, yeah does play a part in some people’s decisionmaking twelve to twenty billion dollars per year, again from the joint committee on taxation, and they’re estimating that’s going to cost two hundred twenty thousand two hundred sixty four thousand non-profit jobs lost, so okay, zoho all right, i hate to break it there, but what? 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Magnus dot com that’s not for tony to back-up. Oh, no! That’s! That’s! That’s! Time to go back through. Sorry, jean. How are you? I’m doing great. Okay. Let’s, let’s, continue where we are from. Where? From where we are. All right. Those are some pretty dismal sounding numbers now. Okay. You mentioned that charitable are with charitable deductions. Is not there is a lot of evidence that that that’s not the main reason that lots of people give because they get a child abduction. It’s because of their love of the world, yeah, you know. And i think that’s going to be the main reason why people give but there’s the entire industries, including the plan e-giving industry, is, you know very well that that that really considered tax benefits is part of the equation, and it might not impact what who they did, too. But it might impact how much they give. Yeah, now i know it is. It is a factor you all through this in other other changes that have come in the twenty years since i’m doing playing e-giving. I’ve always just stayed with the belief that taxes aren’t the main motivation. Yeah, i agree. Not the main motivations that we’re not seeing a reduction of, you know, fifty per cent of charitable chiming in it’s going to be more expensive of single digit Numbers maybe 42:5 percent production is in charitable giving, but again, that amounts to twelve, twenty billion dollars per year around two hundred twenty thousand one hundred sixty four thousand jobs latto because of that and on top of it, only job friends, yes. And that’s that’s really? I haven’t heard that member. Yeah, heard the iter dollar nasco hadn’t heard the job. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. So on top of that, we’ve got the other issues, you know, which is a kind e-giving issues well and that’s the state tax exemption durney so this affected very wealthy, but these state taxes being doubled up to eleven point two million dollars for an individual. And basically, this means that if you pass away and you have more than eleven twenty million dollars, you’ll have to take a very, very heavy a state tax to the government. Now it’s the limit before with half of that about five and a half million dollars to take, but now, going up to it’s doubling, which means again instead of e-giving charity people could give to their family members and said, and that may be a consideration for many of the wealthy were announced it’s going to be shielded by this this hyre state tax extension, and that again, is estimated to cost another four billion dollars for a year in charitable giving, so in percentage numbers of overall charitable e-giving again, we’re talking pretty small overall, but the impact of five percent let’s say e-giving reduction of percent translates to a lot of things that cherry’s can no longer. Yeah, now i hear you’re pounds let’s go back to that deduction. It sounds like this younger, sorry deduction increase the standard deduction increase. It sounds like this is going to be making potentially major donors maur important on more of a focused area than saying younger and, most likely, smaller donors. More modest owners who will no longer be able tio teo take the deduction claim the charitable deductions that but that made the donor’s become to the outside, even greater, even more selling in focus because they didn’t want to be more likely to be able to. Profit from the charitable deduction and which which you know, that charitable deductions reduces the cost of a gift because you’re getting your saving money in taxes, right? Precisely. And we’ve actually been seeing that trendy that even before these new laws and that they have to do with the widening income gap er, or wealth down that exists. So in two thousand fifteen, twenty four percent of taxpayers reported that they had made a charitable gift in their returns, according tto, not analysis of the irish state a decade earlier, so in two thousand five, that was thirty two, thirty one percent. There was already a reduction from thirty two, thirty one percent of taxpayers reporting charitable give twenty four percent reporting charitable give before this tax latto and basically it is because some of the lower middle income people just have less full income than they used to have, and they need to be needed to divide. And so this is going to be doing the same thing it’s not going to impact the wealthy so much unfavorably because they can still get higher than the standard deduction, not for low and middle income people, the increased defended. Deductions might seem like a good thing. They might be able to take more off than the use of the benefits will hooted. And there won’t be the value of making a charitable gift anymore. So the question will be is with that extra income will they make a charitable gift the middle income so our incomes or will they feel that this is unstable? Particularly because this is only a limited or temporary? A doubling of the standard deductions. You will go back to normal after a few years. So that’s that’s kind of the quest? Yeah, and historically, when charitable giving has it like it did in during the great recession. Andan tax laws, tax law changes before then it’s been like three years or so three to four years for charitable giving to ride back to the level it had game before the events that causes according to our country’s history of giving always does rebound. But there have been, like a four year, three, four years, so historically historically it has rebound. It’s that place out here too. Time you mentioned some changes to deductions. That’s good actually result in a loss for individuals, can you? Can you flush out a couple of those? Bilich well, i think what’s happening for for individuals. The idea was generally, the simplified says sort of deductions, but now interpreting it is actually gotten more complicated. So a couple of things is, is there’s no deductions anymore for state and local taxes on a limitation on the deduction for mortgages? First, individuals were coming from high state tax states like new york and california, jersey, massachusetts and connecticut, particularly those with high real estate values and hyre local and state taxes that the double ramming their right so they’re not going to get that deduction on the federal income tax insurance anymore, so if they were paying a lot in those taxes, are getting a big mortgage interest deduction because they have a high mortgage boy? Is that doubling the sanders defections? It may not be so it you know, that may not be enough to offset which may not be enough to offset what they’re losing. Yeah, now, now the mortgage interest deduction was cast right with ten thousand dollars. I’m not completely familiar with the i think what happens is it doesn’t no longer applied to kind of what we call the second mortgage, but it it implies the mortgage for which you purchased you’re home. And i believe lim wass and i’m trying to think it was mortgaged about five hundred thousand or a million dollars under the house from senate till they were slightly different. I’m not okay. That’s all right, all right. Wait. You still have that production, but its kapin its value has been reduced. Correct. Okay, okay. On oneaccord teo. Yes. Definitely going to impact homeowners with high mortgage is especially in new york and california teachers, right? Right. Okay. And also you’re point about state local factories no longer no longer deductible. And that hurt people. Pre-tax. Yeah, and the ten thousand dollars that you mentioned is actually the property tax deduction that you formally take. And that would be captain. Ten thousand starts before i was talking about the mortgage. Oh, i confused, too. All right. Thank you for keeping me straight. All right. I see. I complete things. Okay. Sorry about that. It’s complicated. Still hopes we understand. All right, but you know, it’s. Okay. Um other e-giving e-giving backto non-profits there’s. Been a change to the unrelated business income tax? Sure. So that’s that’s kind of. Ah, more what’s. A little simple to understand. So if you have unrelated business income and it’s taxable, and you’ve got one trader business that’s making a profit and it’s unrelated against those you’re supposed to take cubine or unrelated business income tax on it. But you had another trader business that’s also isolated, but that was that was incurring a lot. You used to be ableto officer of the law from one unrelated state of business against the profits of the possible i’m related. Yeah, that’s, good that’s what investors were allowed to do? They’re allowed to offset capital losses. The world turned their lives off capital gains capital losses, right? So that’s basically is what you’re doing here. Although it’s income rather than send your offsetting, you know, one one area business with another areas business because it’s the same taxi fare that we’re talking. But that’s no longer the case can wait. Put them in silos. So if you’ve got a game in one business that change, you know the taxes. If you have a lost another unrelated business, you might be ableto off that gains in another year from that business alone that was completed. Buy a load out. You’re different. Unrelated. Okay, on there are increasing numbers of non-profits who are engaged in activities that, you know, they they count on, uh, unrelated business thing comes, uh, all right, a lot of pressure on him now, especially with less charitable giving and lessons for charitable giving more non-profits they’re looking for a dink ventures, and some of that will be unrelated. We’re not talking about related income, so it’s, if the activity is related to further a year charitable purpose and you don’t wear the profits just if the activity itself, even if it made no money related, you’re terrible service don’t attack if you do happen to get a part, okay, i understand. Um oh, if you’re okay. So let’s talk about the attacks on endowments of colleges. Yes. So that’s that’s going to be an interesting one, but it only affect very few colleges. I think they’re only going to impact twenty seven colleges and universities. So this was after much haggling between the senate and houses and lobbyists, obviously different colleges and universities. Oh, one point four percent excise, but it is important because now our policy for tax exempt organizations with they should be paying taxes on their income and all. Of a sudden now we’re paying for your college and universities and big yeah, okay, you’re going to wait for it a reversal of an important principle, right? And i guess the danger is that this is a slippery slope i don’t hey, if we can, if we can do it with big colleges and universities, what about smaller colleges universities? What about the charity let’s? Attack them as well? It has been a trend in that on the state level, two of looking for property tax on dh things called highlights, which are krauz payments in lieu of taxes that states they’re trying to charge tax exempt organizations looking for more income from tax accents, and obviously, that that diminishes with charities content to be able to do because they’re gonna have less income because there’s enough today, those pilots are justified because the charitable entity is consuming services of the town but not paying nothing local property taxes, right? That’s the justification that that some room that they again with very well right now they’re frauds get say, well, even if they’re not using the service. Finally, finally, if i were defective, buy-in altum uh, unfortunately, you’ve got another new excise tax. Also, talk about yes, there is there is there enough number of excise taxes, but one that again applies to stake non-profits is on excise tax on compensation of more than one million dollars. Uh, which only a prize. You’re five highest employees and doctors and medical professionals sort of exempted from this, but it doesn’t apply to excess parachute kayman which are kind of seven big severance packages, so it’ll be attacked with corporate rate and again, most for most of your listeners, perhaps almost ology listening longfield anything to them other than the policy of federal government looking to get more more tax money from non-profits on, they’re looking for ways to do that and course, they’re going to get the big ones first. But what? How houses that people down so twenty one percent napor pre-tax rate on compensation of more than million dollars state your five highest employees for tax exempt organization for charity? Well, i wanted to spend time on the excise taxes that only apply at the highest levels of the charitable community because of what he said on what i said earlier hutchisson erosion is brilliant in the national front is the destruction of a longstanding principle in this in the federal tax code, that’s non-profits charitable organizations don’t pay tax, they’re a tax exempt, and now you’ve way are with things the destruction of that principle, and i i think it was it was worth standing up for before it’s still worth standing up for even though the battle the battle has been long, hopefully the war will not be lost, but this is something that is reversible, but as it stands now, we’ve seen that defamation of a long standing three people in this in our federal tax code. Yeah, so it’s a double edged attack and so well put what you said, honey, but it’s a double its attack where authorities are going to get less money, governments are goingto fundchat ortiz last, you’re going to have to have a spending cuts in orderto fund that deficit has created bythe new ac on and then at the same time they’re going to actually tax tax exempt organizations now where they had not done so the floor so it really is a double yeah, onda geun, the principal. Even if you’re not, you’re your organization is not impacted slippery for jean talk about it. It’s at the highest levels now of the non toxic community, but in a couple of years or the next tax code iterations, it could be the midsize organization. Then we could be looking at community colleges so you know, principles that were standing for on dure point well taken about there also being a loss of revenues and that that impact a cross section of non-profits from the smallest to the largest revenue decrease. All right, gene let’s, take let’s, take a break and we’ll come back. We’ll talk about the things that weren’t included, and then you also have some predictions for twenty eighteen and what you think this is gonna lead to? So you take a break, pursue it, data driven fund-raising field guys, that is their store on the listener landing. Of course, she’s probably got a name last pursuing capital p there was a lot more data generated in twenty, sixteen, twenty, seventeen and in all of history, that remark that is remarkable in two years leave out pain data data creations for the hundreds of years that we’ve been tracking, creation of data on dit leads to too much some people call this analysis paralysis, but you need to break down what is important in your data and that’s. 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We’re talking about a data driven apart they’ve gotten down to basic principles to help you data driven fund-raising field guide tony dahna slash pursuing capital now. Time for tony. Thank you. You got your twenty eighteen. Covered all this month, as he and i are doing right now, we did a couple weeks ago last weekend before, and we’re doing it next week as well. Uh, next week, it’ll be me and any sample ward i’m gonna be talking about starting your plans e-giving in twenty eighteen and then amy is gonna have her twenty, eighteen plants. Wei had maria, twenty, eighteen plants now there’s time for a plan and gene were in the midst of it right now, so i’m going to spend time on bake off to play e-giving who best prospects are i’ve got a bunch of marketing tip talk about the stewardship of your recognition society, all four toes next week’s show so over a month you covered for the years, all you do is keep listening, lovely listeners and that, tony, thank you. All right, i am going to actually abandon the live listen love podcast fund-raising osili affection, success to say you know that they are going out to use which category you fit in and the reason on contamination my my my love and my pleasantries in my affections because jean and i have so much to cover with. The new tax laws. So i want to get right back into it, okay? James, um, let’s, let’s. Talk about what? The things that could’ve been worse. There are some things that weren’t included. Yes. So the thing i think for her non-profits that was not included that was, uh, in previous iterations of the filthy became a law that was the repeal or the weakening of the johnson amendment. And the johnson amendment is essentially the provision under five a one in three that prohibits charities from engaging in election hearing that is spending their resource is endorsing or closing kennedy with latto so it’s really made charities kind of non partisan in that matter is that they were not engaged, are not able to engage in election area, right? And this was not included. Okay, i know that charitable community is divided on this. Uh, was that was one of the proposal just related to religious organizations. What started out that way on dh? It was trained as a free speech issue. So they there those who had promoted repealing or weakening the johnson amendment to allow for election hearing. We’re really kind of the major’s big evangelical churches. I wanted to fund campaigns basically, um, on and so on by taking away the prohibition o r by taking away that prohibition against election neary they could do that. But, um, it’s really was a weak argument to say that there was a constitutional space for a tax exempt organization to be able to engage in an election year, and certainly churches are open to engage in election hearing and half free speech rights, but for the privilege of past exemptions that’s something that charities give up on, but the general idea is and remember that one third of the revenues they’re coming from the government way don’t really want to spend public funds to fund campaign. We want them to be spent on their charitable purpose and opening it up or even weakening assad still has done it again. We’re talking three twelve on disability stoners to say, hey, i’ll be a million dollars, but only if all of your social media messages on your email blast how everybody to vote for candidate act dahna and that’s the only way you’ll get my money now that was about charity almost nothing, right? Just put that in their email blasts and all the social media messages, but they would be beholden to donors in some cases, or just demanding that they become very part of that. You know, that was problematic. Yeah. There was great potential for that. All right? Well, so thankfully not included, but i don’t think that johnson amendment’s of steel is a dead issue, is it? No, it’s not so it got thrown out of this tax still because they needed to pass something by the end of the year that was that was there their goal, so they knew that that was going to be a battle that was hard going to be hard to resolve right away, but i’m sure we’ll see it hopping up in other bills, including quickly to make sure that we don’t have a shutdown on government. So yeah, we’ve got another bill, right? Our next eleven, and i was gonna call you the next spending bill. We’re only funded through january, is that right? You think that i think they have to do it by january to fix it on extension by january so that maybe their own back instant into play and and again, you keep saying that with the affordable care act provisions as well, they getting thrown back into other bills on, i guess that’s how politics works it’s not very pretty that way haven’t seen the end. Of the movement obliterated, johnson amended, which is explicit core. Also, thankfully, we didn’t lose the charitable contribution deduction completely, which was which was talked about. Yeah, and not only was it talked about this, i found really surprising, but it’s. Just a few days ago, the wall street journal’s, the ford of editors, spent out an article criticising the charities for complaining about attack still, and that that’s, really what should have happened with the repeal of the charitable contributions. And i thought that was quite shocking. But so that was from the wall street journal just a few days ago. I’m saying that charitable contributions, deduction, repeal of that deductions were completely justified, so they don’t go over there. They don’t see the over there and down the street from where i am, a couple miles, they don’t see the double extorted non-profits now facing. Today that they either don’t see it or they don’t think it’s important. And i think the argument is that, you know, just like we talked about earlier, that people should give from their generosity of heart, um, and not for tax purposes. But it doesn’t started taking to attend well, that tax purposes play a price because people, how much income they’re going have left over, you know, with which to live so that a part of this it is something. Thankfully, the repeal of the terrible contribution deductions, thankfully, was not included in any of the pills or in the final law. And i think some of the big charity advocate in the country moving into sectors that council non-profits pompel foundation association fund-raising professional writer. They were very helpful and ensuring that way didn’t provision. Okay, all right, well, if it wasn’t either bill, then it seems to be a good sign that it’s not it’s, not something that is likely to come up again. I won’t be enough political backlash not to see it come up again, but i think people have to be delicious. Yeah, we thought to be vigilant about it. Yeah. Okay. Anything is under attack now, so potentially because a lot of things being being questioned bonem uh all right, what else? Volunteermatch island breeze? That’s the same thing is still gone low dahna you know, i think that was ridiculous. So it’s been suck it fourteen cents for miles to charity, vilified the most of your listeners. You want teo, take a deduction of the volunteer for driving on behalf of charities. Maximum production, you khun sake is fourteen cents per mile. Of course. Doesn’t miree doesn’t taste in the cost of your gas and the wear and tear on your ears. But that’s what? We’re stuck it. And there was no assessment made even though it was in one of the earlier still that never got finalized. The business raises like fifty six. Fifty seven cents. Yeah, exactly. So it’s kind of ridiculous here if you work for business and you drive in the mid fifties area. Dr charity? Yes, i think about that. Right as, uh, you are driving around doing business, the business of your non-profits, and you can deduct that somewhere around it’s over fifty five cents a mile. But your volunteers, we’re doing the same work you’re doing well, not exactly, but they’re further in your corporate your charitable mission, you’re volunteers were giving their time, unconference stated, and driving around, using their vehicle to further your charitable mission, just like you’re doing, they can only deduct fourteen cents per mile, so that as you’re as you deduct and you calculate your your deductions for for twenty seventeen, think about your volunteers and the low rates you know there will be multiplying by point one four while you’re multiplying by point five, six something, yeah, fifty four point, five cents a mile for a business deduction this morning. All right, so fifty five, fifty five. Yeah, and the fourteen cents has been there for twenty years. So the last time, nineteen, ninety seven, so, yeah. All right, so we couldn’t get that one done. But that would have been that would have cost. Uh, money is what it would have reduced the federal revenue, and they don’t know they had to. Tio had to balance it out, so that was something we lost. What else? What? Anything else on the good side that’s that wasn’t included that it’s good for non-profits that wasn’t included. Buy-in yeah, i think there’s a few things, so well, it started out bad. There was there was initially in one of the bill over appeal of private activity bonds, bonds used by non-profits to build schools or hospitals, affordable a thousand organizations for finance purposes, but they wanted to kill that. But that was fortunately, thrown out of the final law that that was taken out. But there still is a repeal of fancy self-funding bonds, which actually has to do with refinancing outstanding status. Lower interest, though there, there is a a portion of that that has gone away, so you can’t get in the van three funding fonds without having to pay the penalty. But unfortunately, private activity bonds are still okay, so that was that was good, all right and again, that’s worth mentioning because you want to preserve the principle that that have been so long standing in on benefiting charities in our federal tax code. So, uh, of course, it was good that they want repealed, but they could have been. And if it had been you, that was been yet another blow to the charitable communities in the federal tax code. The things they think they’re worth standing for, whether whether it affects your five, one, two, three or not, it’s may trickle down. Wait a minute. Buy-in. Yeah, wei have just a couple minutes before, before another break. Uh, okay, what else? What else is beneficial? That wasn’t that could have been worse. But what another thing that could have been worse? It is a penalty that exists if you pay somebody is a charity case. Somebody excessively and often times that’s fraudulently done take give money away to some individuals who used music to charity. Yeah, we’re talking about the benefit is, you know, the person that benefited from that on excellent benefits transactions penalty, which could be a hired one hundred percent of the excessive amount. But if they got accepted unconference duitz but the charities was never hit with a tax on that. It was the person that benefited from the tax and potentially board members who approved it, knowing gives to be excessive. They could get hit with penalty tax to writhe. Bill one of the bills that came out out of the house and senate can remember which one says, no less hit the charity with attacks as well with charity which is now lost money to somebody who’s unscrupulously taking advantage of them is now with for that loss. Well, fortunately, that didn’t make the law, but that would have been another blow to charity? Yes, and that was in one of the bills. That was in one of the bill. Maybe a smaller, really important ones for us is one of the bills wanted to eliminate something called a rebuttable presumption of reasonable and the rebuttable assumption of reasonable is his guide that way get from the irs on under treasury regulations that say he followed these rules to ensure that people are not going to overcompensate themselves with directors are officers and they’re going to enter into some sort of financial transaction with the organization handup fifty, are looking to do that in a good space on the board approved this by a majority of disinterested directors. They’re independent, they’re not related to the director officers is going to get the condom station. It might be, you know, to be paid as the ceo or might be leased out on office or whatever it is. You follow these rules with independent boardmember moving in and getting comparability data and make sure that it’s not excessive, then there is this rebuttable presumption of reasonableness that that the irs was gonna say, i presume it’s to be reasonable if we’re going to attack it’s going to take you to court, we’re only going to do that really they wanted eliminate that. Procedure. So everything was before we’re not quite sure whether we can justify this salary or not, but they didn’t. So, yes, that’s, a part of that was not in there, that we didn’t lose that safe harbor. Okay, you gotta take a break. In-kind hello, credit card, payment processing. Please check out the video, which is that tony dahna may last. Toni keller explains the process of businesses switching to tell us and how you are going to earn fifty percent of the revenue that teller get from that relationships. So that is passive revenue for you each month. Nice long revenue tail. The video also explains there one hundred percent satisfaction rate and they have a price sametz guarantee. But you, as a non-profit radio listener, you get more than the mirrors. Humbug, humbug. On the match, you will get two hundred fifty dollars. Hello? Cannot say this money on it. Credit card processing odds are hello can save money. But if they can’t, you will profit under fifty dollars. Video covers switching process on dh. But that is all free and there’s a nine days. Many days. Policies. Business isn’t satisfied. You go out in the first month newsjacking needed because of that fact. But it’s there, if you need it that you wanted. Um, so take a look at the video. Think about the business is that i can help you by switching their processing two tellers. And that is all that tony got an a flash. Tony, tell us now, let’s, go back to chicago. And this, uh, you tax law. Well, it’s definitely knew, but, uh, no, no it’s. Not that great. I don’t think, um, anything else? I mean that that that wasn’t included. And then i want to i want to get to your predictions for twenty. Anything else you want, share that baby? Isn’t news that it wasn’t included? Well, i just say one thing, which, which isn’t perhaps, um, good news. Is that the individual tax benefit that we talked about a little a little bit earlier, i said they were temporary, just to know that those just here after two thousand twenty five. So, yeah, doubling the standard deductions and some of these other favorable provision for individuals will disappear and that’s, because they couldn’t reduce the deficit created by the tax laws. Again, bonem benefits going to the wealthy and stick businesses with folks that we see, statements. Five republican congress with the hope of this whole trickle down and eventually benefit employees and everybody else. So individuals have the corporate like carrots. Yeah, the individual benefits sunset in twenty twenty five, right? Yeah, we don’t even get them. Get them for ten years. And this will be done officially that corporate they have no sunset. Whatever longer. I don’t think they have the sunset of their government. Okay, well, that’s. Good for them. Okay, i’m glad. Yeah. Okay. See the reflection from thirty five percent. Twenty one percent tax write corporations almost reduce the tax burden. Yeah, well, those Numbers again to say that 1 more time. From what? The what from thirty five percent. Twenty one? Yeah. Good. I’m happy for them. Okay, now you have the love some predictions about what’s gonna be happening and you wave these from allowed its non-profit law blog’s dot com the first twenty. Eighteen year ahead. Addiction for non-profits twenty eighteen. But you don’t have to go there if you don’t want to get too cocky right here. I want you to know i want him to get traffic on by-laws. What? You don’t have to got it right here. What’s gonna happen to you, what’s that gonna look overall really do well with just one prediction on and that’s going to be the rise of five o went for social welfare. Or is that what that is? About five months support? Social welfare organizations are pretty well known. May not know the code as well as five. One, two three. They include piela used they lose air sierra club and are a onda was w now the’s are advocacy organization and they’re kind of flight five. Twenty three organizations that they are tax exempt and exists for the social welfare of the community. But what’s different inside his stem contributions, not respectable. And the reason for that is taken lobby their hearts, success without limitations. They spend all their money on lobbying to change laws. And they also spend uh along with this has their primary activity. They could devote their activities to endorsing an opposing political candidates so you could see very aggressive positions. That’s not what i would recommend, but it’s very aggressive positions. We could see these five one for organizations. Spend forty nine percent of their income distort things. Can and individuals don’t get a charitable deductions for giving to them. We just spend a long time talking about how the incentives charitable giving has been reduced anyway, right? And that’s. Why? I think we’re going to start to give five, one four organizations because they are unhappy on either side. They’re unhappy with certain latto on e-giving five, one four organizations. Those organizations have a lot of power, and they have a lot of cardio intervene in election. Well, and we’re talking now about twenty five or six percent of taxpayers getting the benefit of any charitable contributions. So for ninety four, ninety five percent of taxpayers, it doesn’t make a difference from attacks positions, whether you give to a five, one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four for that matter, if you just give it to a for-profit business, if you want bonem so where i think we’re going to see people who are unhappy with long on both leinheiser buy-in, say, working at a fund social welfare organization, really, dramatically change elections changed. By-laws and don’t ask the limitations. Work-life and we are going to be seeing a lot of importance battles in congress you mentioned earlier around the social safety net, so security, medicare, medicaid, you mentioned the affordable care act, i think they’re all going to be coming up again and again in either in their own bills or as part of seemingly unrelated koegler they are really good deals that get stuck in so there’s going to be a lot of political battles team thought on dh saying five o once before can can engage people buy-in yeah, possibly be more powerful that way, which is why i think more money will flow into them. This is a highly onesie course are also where guards money goes money where the public doesn’t know self-funding political candidates because they’re shuttling their money through five o one for organization, again from an aggressive that i spent forty nine percent of its income endorsing for opposing a particular political candidate. Five twenty three could be none of that a cz longer johnson and then it’s not repealed, they still do five months before it can so scary thing and along the other issues that are really hot and up for advocacy. Immigration dreamers, for-profit inequality gap, a gender discrimination, disability, dahna there’s, just so many hot buy-in issues right now and again, i understand there’s arguments on both sides, and so we’re going to keep money flowing into these organizations to affect election because they are elected. Officials have the power to change law, so you’re predicting more flowing into existing before and more tea for inc. Yeah, more. C four’s incorporated dark money going into the fund elections than influence elections and change elections. Absolutely. All right, we got another prediction. Check it out. Twenty eighteen year ahead as the non-profit rob log dot com team. Thank you so much. Thank you. They’re usually problem genes. Thank you very much. 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